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Was not able to track down one of my postdoc supervisors or get verification from the program of my hours for my CPQ application. It was ~25 years ago, and not a formal postdoc so no official record keeping on their part of my supervision. As far as their HR concerned, I was just another employee. Fortunately, ASPPB will accept a copy of your original licensure application materials from the state. Unfortunately, in Massachusetts the only way to get these is through a public records request, and you cannot request that the information be sent to a third party. Fortunately, ASPPB was willing to accept a forwarded copy of the email that Mass sent to me with the application materials. Uggh!

Lesson of the day- if you are receiving your postdoc supervision via and informal arrangement, somehow work with the supervisor and HR to record the hours and document your training as well as your employment, just in case.

I have my contracts with the new employer signed, and later today will pay the retainer to the immigration attorney to get the work permit application begun. About once every 20 minutes or so I doubt this whole process and just want to keep everything the same, but then I see the news and remember a primary reason for this move!
 
Updates- met with the immigration attorney and my work permit application is in progress. Because I'll be working with kids in a medical setting, I'll need to be evaluated by a Canada approved physician, mainly looking for things like tuberculosis (which will probably see a resurgence in the US if RFK Jr. has his way, but that's a topic for another thread). Of course the only approved physician in New England is a few hours away! Studying for my Ontario Jurisprudence exam next Monday. Officially told my employer of my plans yesterday.

We had been working with a Real Estate agent in Toronto area to help find and apartment. However, it turns out that the practice I'll be working for rents a furnished penthouse apartment that they offer to their employees on a subsidized lease. It hadn't been available, so they didn't mention it before. It's available now, and they offered it to me for my projected start date in November. It's very nice and in the exact area we were looking. Also, the arrangement will allow for some tax savings.

Things are working out a little too well. My suspicious nature has me thinking it a scam and they are going to steal our organs or something once we get there.
 
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-Develop a transition plan for financially weaning my adult children
You could probably monetize this, as I have seen (too) many requests for referral for "failure to launch" situations with adult kids. Also, adult children who live "independently", but still are mooching off of their parents.
 
You could probably monetize this, as I have seen (too) many requests for referral for "failure to launch" situations with adult kids. Also, adult children who live "independently", but still are mooching off of their parents.
Bad news. Eli Lebowitz beat us all to this with a specific protocol built into the SPACE program:
 
Bad news. Eli Lebowitz beat us all to this with a specific protocol built into the SPACE program:
I'm not sure whether to laugh or worry. This sounds like something the sub over on Reddit came up with. Telling that when you go to their Staff page, there's one psychologist only on staff. Mostly midlevels a number of them are LMSWs, which a quick online search reveals is not licensable for direct clinical work with patients. But their profiles on this site describe their clinical work and therapy modalities they utilize. So glorified life coaches at best.
 
I'm not sure whether to laugh or worry. This sounds like something the sub over on Reddit came up with. Telling that when you go to their Staff page, there's one psychologist only on staff. Mostly midlevels a number of them are LMSWs, which a quick online search reveals is not licensable for direct clinical work with patients. But their profiles on this site describe their clinical work and therapy modalities they utilize. So glorified life coaches at best.
My apologies. I did a quick google search for a site that gave a quick breakdown of the therapy. I have no idea if those specific providers are good at using the EBP. For a more comprehensive review of the literature regarding the efficacy of SPACE, I'll post the following link:


Hope that helps clear things up a bit more!
 
Things are working out a little too well. My suspicious nature has me thinking it a scam and they are going to steal our organs or something once we get there.
Welcome to the dark side! We have cookies 🙂

I think a lot of us went through the honeymoon phase after moving to Canada. Then reality sets in 🙂 But hey, I do not regret a thing, and I hope you won't either.
 
My apologies. I did a quick google search for a site that gave a quick breakdown of the therapy. I have no idea if those specific providers are good at using the EBP. For a more comprehensive review of the literature regarding the efficacy of SPACE, I'll post the following link:


Hope that helps clear things up a bit more!

I feel like a lot of these things are parents that are not willing to tolerate their kids' distress. What’s the over/under on the modal family being an anxious mother who is either single or unattracted to her ineffectual spouse, with limited comforting stimulation, resistance to thinking about a future without the buffer of having a kid in the household, and more money than sense? Also called: “the anxious dog mom without a dog”

The entire issue of resolve is an interesting thing in psychotherapy and behavioral treatments. It's like the diabetes behavioral treatments that work, but no one can tolerate the caloric restrictions. Is it ethical to force someone to starve, to save their life? And to what degree?
 
I feel like a lot of these things are parents that are not willing to tolerate their kids' distress. What’s the over/under on the modal family being an anxious mother who is either single or unattracted to her ineffectual spouse, with limited comforting stimulation, resistance to thinking about a future without the buffer of having a kid in the household, and more money than sense? Also called: “the anxious dog mom without a dog”

The entire issue of resolve is an interesting thing in psychotherapy and behavioral treatments. It's like the diabetes behavioral treatments that work, but no one can tolerate the caloric restrictions. Is it ethical to force someone to starve, to save their life? And to what degree?
Gosh, I feel like I accidentally hijacked this thread a bit.

Your statements are fairly cogent and I will confess I am not the one to argue for or against this therapeutic intervention. I have had passing encounters with Eli Lebowitz (nice guy!) but myself am not formally trained in this therapy. I brought it up, because I was in the process of developing something to target treatment for failure to launch cases related to medical complexity, when I attended one of his lectures and learned about this. I distinctly recall shaking my fist at the heavens and exclaiming jealousy regarding him beating me to the punch lol. I can definitely state he does a great job on presenting the core concepts within the therapy and feel you might get better answers by directly reaching out to him. From my experience, it would not surprise me in the least, if you sent your questions/remarks to him for consideration, that he would respond directly to you.
 
Gosh, I feel like I accidentally hijacked this thread a bit.

Your statements are fairly cogent and I will confess I am not the one to argue for or against this therapeutic intervention. I have had passing encounters with Eli Lebowitz (nice guy!) but myself am not formally trained in this therapy. I brought it up, because I was in the process of developing something to target treatment for failure to launch cases related to medical complexity, when I attended one of his lectures and learned about this. I distinctly recall shaking my fist at the heavens and exclaiming jealousy regarding him beating me to the punch lol. I can definitely state he does a great job on presenting the core concepts within the therapy and feel you might get better answers by directly reaching out to him. From my experience, it would not surprise me in the least, if you sent your questions/remarks to him for consideration, that he would respond directly to you.
Don't worry about "hijacking"- I started the thread and I think these discussion are pertinent and important. I'm at the "what are the kids going to do now" stage- it's actually part of the rationale for making this move. My adult children (24 and 22y.o.) live with my wife and I, and the youngest's girlfriend basically lives there two. Oldest just graduated with her MA in clinical social work and is working on licensure and securing a more permanent job. She'd like a school adjustment counselor position, and is working is working as a long term sub in the local school district to get her foot in the door. Youngest just graduate with his associates degree, and has a very good job as house painter and is looking to eventually start his own painting business. Good kids, hard workers, both ready to be outside of the shadow of their parents. Problem is there are just not a lot of options for affordable living in the area. A lot of what would be good rentals are now Air BnB or Vrbo. What's left is pretty unaffordable, even with a decent, just starting out income. I was the same age as them when I finished college in the same town we are in now. The same apartments I rented then are now more than 25-50% more expensive when adjusted for inflation. Home ownership in the area is not an option for them- you have to have being paying cash (either gifted from family or from selling another home), or have a really good down payment. Days of putting down 10 grand (PMI be damned), and picking up a starter home are long gone. Anything remotely affordable (read: less non-affordable than other places) is literally likely to not have a working heating system and/or a tarp covering the holes in the roof. They are ready to "launch" (with the normal, non-clinical anxiety related to these types of life changes). We are definitely ready to to begin the countdown and light the fuse on the rocket (with the normal, non-clinical anxiety related to these types of life changes). Problem is, there aren't a lot of places to launch to relative to what my generation had. Moving out at 18 for good is not the norm, and a lot of their peers have finished college and moved back in with their parents.

Don't get me wrong- there is still a lot of coming to grips with the eventuality of losing some of the perk of having the parents around to do stuff for them (cook, clean, mow the long, deal with general and emergency maintenance) or for either having to sacrifice stuff or pay for it themselves (Hulu, MAX, Peacock, Netflix, AppleTV, FUBO, Prime, Disney, etc., etc., etc.!). We went through that, so will they. And they are ready to go through that. It's just not as much as an option as it used to be. I'm not going to put the pathology on them (or on us parents), when it's more so a pathology within the real estate/rental market, the ability of salaries to keep up with inflation, etc., etc., etc.).

Our moving out is kind of a win-win compromise- They will get a reasonable rent for a relatively nice property. It will initially be below market value. As rent goes up (on a predictable schedule, they will either pay more, find roommates to split costs, or move out. We will be paying "rent" for ~1/3 of the place for a little while so that we will have a base of operation in the states should we need to return while we're figuring out how to become real Canadianites or reasonable facsimiles thereof. We get to be empty nesters, keep the dog, live in a penthouse (!), and have an adventure in a new place (beats the heck out of buying a red Corvette, as far as mid life crisis remediation strategies go!), all with infinitely more privacy and a lot less responsibility. I'll have to get use to my Manhattans being made with rye instead of bourbon, grazing on boxes of TimBits at the office instead of Munchkins, and having a higher ratio of Moosehead and Unibroue in my overall beer consumption- we all must make sacrifices for this to work!
 
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Don't worry about "hijacking"- I started the thread and I think these discussion are pertinent and important. I'm at the "what are the kids going to do now" stage- it's actually part of the rationale for making this move. My adult children (24 and 22y.o.) live with my wife and I, and the youngest's girlfriend basically lives there two. Oldest just graduated with her MA in clinical social work and is working on licensure and securing a more permanent job. She'd like a school adjustment counselor position, and is working is working as a long term sub in the local school district to get her foot in the door. Youngest just graduate with his associates degree, and has a very good job as house painter and is looking to eventually start his own painting business. Good kids, hard workers, both ready to be outside of the shadow of their parents. Problem is there are just not a lot of options for affordable living in the area. A lot of what would be good rentals are now Air BnB or Vrbo. What's left is pretty unaffordable, even with a decent, just starting out income. I was the same age as them when I finished college in the same town we are in now. The same apartments I rented then are now more than 25-50% more expensive when adjusted for inflation. Home ownership in the area is not an option for them- you have to have being paying cash (either gifted from family or from selling another home), or have a really good down payment. Days of putting down 10 grand (PMI be damned), and picking up a starter home are long gone. Anything remotely affordable (read: less non-affordable than other places) is literally likely to not have a working heating system and/or a tarp covering the holes in the roof. They are ready to "launch" (with the normal, non-clinical anxiety related to these types of life changes). We are definitely ready to to begin the countdown and light the fuse on the rocket (with the normal, non-clinical anxiety related to these types of life changes). Problem is, there aren't a lot of places to launch to relative to what my generation had. Moving out at 18 for good is not the norm, and a lot of their peers have finished college and moved back in with their parents.

Don't get me wrong- there is still a lot of coming to grips with the eventuality of losing some of the perk of having the parents around to do stuff for them (cook, clean, mow the long, deal with general and emergency maintenance) or for either having to sacrifice stuff or pay for it themselves (Hulu, MAX, Peacock, Netflix, AppleTV, FUBO, Prime, Disney, etc., etc., etc.!). We went through that, so will they. And they are ready to go through that. It's just not as much as an option as it used to be. I'm not going to put the pathology on them (or on us parents), when it's more so a pathology within the real estate/rental market, the ability of salaries to keep up with inflation, etc., etc., etc.).

Our moving out is kind of a win-win compromise- They will get a reasonable rent for a relatively nice property. It will initially be below market value. As rent goes up (on a predictable schedule, they will either pay more, find roommates to split costs, or move out. We will be paying "rent" for ~1/3 of the place for a little while so that we will have a base of operation in the states should we need to return while we're figuring out how to become real Canadianites or reasonable facsimiles thereof. We get to be empty nesters, keep the dog, live in a penthouse (!), and have an adventure in a new place (beats the heck out of buying a red Corvette, as far as mid life crisis remediation strategies go!), all with infinitely more privacy and a lot less responsibility. I'll have to get use to my Manhattans being made with rye instead of bourbon, grazing on boxes of TimBits at the office instead of Munchkins, and having a higher ratio of Moosehead and Unibroue in my overall beer consumption- we all must make sacrifices for this to work!
My grad school town is about an hour from the Canadian border so I go quite often.


I highly recommend their breakfast sandwiches! I generally think of Tim's as a much better version of Starbucks.
 
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Don't get me wrong- there is still a lot of coming to grips with the eventuality of losing some of the perk of having the parents around to do stuff for them (cook, clean, mow the long, deal with general and emergency maintenance) or for either having to sacrifice stuff or pay for it themselves (Hulu, MAX, Peacock, Netflix, AppleTV, FUBO, Prime, Disney, etc., etc., etc.!). We went through that, so will they.

 
Don't worry about "hijacking"- I started the thread and I think these discussion are pertinent and important. I'm at the "what are the kids going to do now" stage- it's actually part of the rationale for making this move. My adult children (24 and 22y.o.) live with my wife and I, and the youngest's girlfriend basically lives there two. Oldest just graduated with her MA in clinical social work and is working on licensure and securing a more permanent job. She'd like a school adjustment counselor position, and is working is working as a long term sub in the local school district to get her foot in the door. Youngest just graduate with his associates degree, and has a very good job as house painter and is looking to eventually start his own painting business. Good kids, hard workers, both ready to be outside of the shadow of their parents. Problem is there are just not a lot of options for affordable living in the area. A lot of what would be good rentals are now Air BnB or Vrbo. What's left is pretty unaffordable, even with a decent, just starting out income. I was the same age as them when I finished college in the same town we are in now. The same apartments I rented then are now more than 25-50% more expensive when adjusted for inflation. Home ownership in the area is not an option for them- you have to have being paying cash (either gifted from family or from selling another home), or have a really good down payment. Days of putting down 10 grand (PMI be damned), and picking up a starter home are long gone. Anything remotely affordable (read: less non-affordable than other places) is literally likely to not have a working heating system and/or a tarp covering the holes in the roof. They are ready to "launch" (with the normal, non-clinical anxiety related to these types of life changes). We are definitely ready to to begin the countdown and light the fuse on the rocket (with the normal, non-clinical anxiety related to these types of life changes). Problem is, there aren't a lot of places to launch to relative to what my generation had. Moving out at 18 for good is not the norm, and a lot of their peers have finished college and moved back in with their parents.

Don't get me wrong- there is still a lot of coming to grips with the eventuality of losing some of the perk of having the parents around to do stuff for them (cook, clean, mow the long, deal with general and emergency maintenance) or for either having to sacrifice stuff or pay for it themselves (Hulu, MAX, Peacock, Netflix, AppleTV, FUBO, Prime, Disney, etc., etc., etc.!). We went through that, so will they. And they are ready to go through that. It's just not as much as an option as it used to be. I'm not going to put the pathology on them (or on us parents), when it's more so a pathology within the real estate/rental market, the ability of salaries to keep up with inflation, etc., etc., etc.).

Our moving out is kind of a win-win compromise- They will get a reasonable rent for a relatively nice property. It will initially be below market value. As rent goes up (on a predictable schedule, they will either pay more, find roommates to split costs, or move out. We will be paying "rent" for ~1/3 of the place for a little while so that we will have a base of operation in the states should we need to return while we're figuring out how to become real Canadianites or reasonable facsimiles thereof. We get to be empty nesters, keep the dog, live in a penthouse (!), and have an adventure in a new place (beats the heck out of buying a red Corvette, as far as mid life crisis remediation strategies go!), all with infinitely more privacy and a lot less responsibility. I'll have to get use to my Manhattans being made with rye instead of bourbon, grazing on boxes of TimBits at the office instead of Munchkins, and having a higher ratio of Moosehead and Unibroue in my overall beer consumption- we all must make sacrifices for this to work!
First, thank you so much for your openness to discussion evolving to include pertinent, novel, and intriguing topics within our field and your own personal life. I truly cherish how we share ideas across these forums.

Second, congratulations on the trajectory of your children and your development into a full "maple-blooded(?)" Canadian lol. I truly enjoy your wit and writing prose.

Third, I completely agree with the external factors involved in launch and how these have dramatically changed over time. Changes in financial instability, career uncertainty, and measures of success (previous generations measured this by the obtainment of the "American Dream" of marriage and home ownership, in contrast, current generations measure this by notoriety and personal satisfaction in the day to day milieu), that result in the current "extended adolescence" phenomena. The difficulty i have reconciling some of these factors is that we have longstanding developmental theories (I will defer to your expertise to correct me) that suggest seeking independent function begins significantly sooner than any of these "launch" milestones. For this reason, pediatric hospitals across the nation have structured programs for aiding in transition from pediatric to adult care settings for management of chronic health conditions, that load onto those developmental milestones towards independent function.

I suppose the question becomes one of functional impairment necessitating treatment. To take it the furthest extreme, I had a personal experience in one of my clinics during training, where a patient, with a congenital, chronic disease, was in their 60's, with no readily apparent signs of physical or mental limitations, having their mother call to schedule their medical visits and accompany them to said visits, due to the need for their mother's support in just identifying their current medication regime and health history. This person had also never held any level of employment and was unable to drive. Not due to ability, but due to self-reported lack of motivation across both acitvities. To a less extreme degree, I far to often will be engaged in discussion with other physicians regarding cases of an able-bodied and relatively, cognitive unremarkable 26 to 27 year old male, who spends their day playing video games and consuming marijuana, whom families feel far to much guilt or fear about motivating to explore endeavors of personal and external satisfaction. Are these cases "pathological" and if so, how do you treat an unmotivated individual who is insulated by the family member's behaviors?

As always, I look forward to yours and others thoughts.
 
First, thank you so much for your openness to discussion evolving to include pertinent, novel, and intriguing topics within our field and your own personal life. I truly cherish how we share ideas across these forums.

Second, congratulations on the trajectory of your children and your development into a full "maple-blooded(?)" Canadian lol. I truly enjoy your wit and writing prose.

Third, I completely agree with the external factors involved in launch and how these have dramatically changed over time. Changes in financial instability, career uncertainty, and measures of success (previous generations measured this by the obtainment of the "American Dream" of marriage and home ownership, in contrast, current generations measure this by notoriety and personal satisfaction in the day to day milieu), that result in the current "extended adolescence" phenomena. The difficulty i have reconciling some of these factors is that we have longstanding developmental theories (I will defer to your expertise to correct me) that suggest seeking independent function begins significantly sooner than any of these "launch" milestones. For this reason, pediatric hospitals across the nation have structured programs for aiding in transition from pediatric to adult care settings for management of chronic health conditions, that load onto those developmental milestones towards independent function.

I suppose the question becomes one of functional impairment necessitating treatment. To take it the furthest extreme, I had a personal experience in one of my clinics during training, where a patient, with a congenital, chronic disease, was in their 60's, with no readily apparent signs of physical or mental limitations, having their mother call to schedule their medical visits and accompany them to said visits, due to the need for their mother's support in just identifying their current medication regime and health history. This person had also never held any level of employment and was unable to drive. Not due to ability, but due to self-reported lack of motivation across both acitvities. To a less extreme degree, I far to often will be engaged in discussion with other physicians regarding cases of an able-bodied and relatively, cognitive unremarkable 26 to 27 year old male, who spends their day playing video games and consuming marijuana, whom families feel far to much guilt or fear about motivating to explore endeavors of personal and external satisfaction. Are these cases "pathological" and if so, how do you treat an unmotivated individual who is insulated by the family member's behaviors?

As always, I look forward to yours and others thoughts.

No, i honestly do not believe they are. They are simply responding to contingencies. My guess is that their economic opportunities will not afford them a better lifestyle than the one they have now and permissive/ non-confrontational families will allow the behavior to continue. It is only a functional impairment if you cannot convince someone else to do the work for you.

I see plenty of similar behaviors in older folks as well. Be it men who would rather have their wives wait on them hand and foot because of an ambulatory dysfunction (cane or walker) or women that will not takeover finances and bills. Generally, all of it revolves around family members that catered to them dying or becoming ill causing impairment because they simply won't learn a new skill.

That said , plenty of untreated anxiety and depression in these cases as well.
 
Are they maple cookies?
If you insist. I am partial to nanaimo bars.

No, i honestly do not believe they are. They are simply responding to contingencies. My guess is that their economic opportunities will not afford them a better lifestyle than the one they have now and permissive/ non-confrontational families will allow the behavior to continue. It is only a functional impairment if you cannot convince someone else to do the work for you.

I see plenty of similar behaviors in older folks as well. Be it men who would rather have their wives wait on them hand and foot because of an ambulatory dysfunction (cane or walker) or women that will not takeover finances and bills. Generally, all of it revolves around family members that catered to them dying or becoming ill causing impairment because they simply won't learn a new skill.

That said , plenty of untreated anxiety and depression in these cases as well.
I fully agree with this, and I have been seeing it throughout the lifespan. Older folks who have to ask their spouse to do grown up stuff (including remembering what size their own underwear is 🙄) and emerging adults who need hand holding by a parent to talk to a professor about their grades.

Not due to ability, but due to self-reported lack of motivation across both acitvities. To a less extreme degree, I far to often will be engaged in discussion with other physicians regarding cases of an able-bodied and relatively, cognitive unremarkable 26 to 27 year old male, who spends their day playing video games and consuming marijuana, whom families feel far to much guilt or fear about motivating to explore endeavors of personal and external satisfaction. Are these cases "pathological" and if so, how do you treat an unmotivated individual who is insulated by the family member's behaviors?

I am unsure if pathological would be a match here, unless the person has depression. I think these families need a bit more education on behavioural activation, and how you can't just wait around for the motivation to come by magic out of thin air. In my talks with young folks I often notice that they expect the "motivation" to just come to them, without really understanding how other people get motivated in the first place. They think something is wrong with them when they don't get an energized feeling to do the boring (but necessary) things in life.
 
Why you all so concerned about my kids?!? I'm a 56 year old who's never done anything impulsive who has decided to give up a dream job to move to another country, with no guaranteed income. I literally live in a village now with no building over 3 stories, but am moving to a 33rd floor apartment in a city of ~800k people. In this new place things are measures in km and kg! They even write their dates backwards!! The bagels are flat and crunchy, with giant holes in the middle! All my kids have to figure out is whether or not to pay for Hulu. They'll be fine. I should have just bought a red Corvette!
 
Why you all so concerned about my kids?!? I'm a 56 year old who's never done anything impulsive who has decided to give up a dream job to move to another country, with no guaranteed income. I literally live in a village now with no building over 3 stories, but am moving to a 33rd floor apartment in a city of ~800k people. In this new place things are measures in km and kg! They even write their dates backwards!! The bagels are flat and crunchy, with giant holes in the middle! All my kids have to figure out is whether or not to pay for Hulu. They'll be fine. I should have just bought a red Corvette!

Because their dad has a reputation. We always knew you would run away...I just expected it to be with the circus. Juggling chainsaws maybe!?🤣
 
Bad news. Eli Lebowitz beat us all to this with a specific protocol built into the SPACE program:
I do SPACE. It's a neat intervention as you only focus the parents accommodating behaviors that interfere with life. Honestly, as someone that came from a fairly behavioral background and does a ton of behavioral management training, it's been a really useful perspective.

1. SPACE is not about fixing the child directly, it is entirely about changing the parent’s behaviors. Parents reduce accommodations (both big and small), which sends the message: “You can handle this, and I believe in you." The paradox is that treating the parents shifts the child’s anxiety, even without direct child sessions.

2. No kid will ever 100% cured by SPACE. But they should be much more capable of adaptive and functional behaviors. SPACE is manualized and session-based. Most models run about 12 sessions, but it can be tailored.

3. The intervention uses a collaborative approach with parents: identify accommodations, plan reductions, troubleshoot pushback, and reinforce progress. Parents write supportive statements in advance so they are not caught flat-footed in emotional situations.

4. Why I like it? SPACE appeals to parents who want to be involved and take action rather than “drop their kid off at therapy." It is also useful when a child refuses therapy, since the intervention does not require the child’s participation. This makes it a strong fit for treatment-resistant families.

5. Works best in families that value active parental involvement and can tolerate some discomfort. Families who are deeply conflict-avoidant, highly chaotic, or resistant to parent coaching may struggle. Requires parents to have the bandwidth and resources to follow through.

6. SPACE reframes anxiety treatment as not just “symptom reduction” but a family systems shift. It dovetails with other models that emphasize exposure, but achieves it indirectly by restructuring family responses. Some providers use SPACE principles flexibly with conditions like oppositionality (I like Ryan Wexelblatt's the ADHD Dude model for applying to ADHD), school refusal, or even medical nonadherence.
I'm not sure whether to laugh or worry. This sounds like something the sub over on Reddit came up with. Telling that when you go to their Staff page, there's one psychologist only on staff. Mostly midlevels a number of them are LMSWs, which a quick online search reveals is not licensable for direct clinical work with patients. But their profiles on this site describe their clinical work and therapy modalities they utilize. So glorified life coaches at best.
To be fair, most of the people listed on the SPACE website in my city are actually solid psychologists. There are a couple LMSWs I don’t know, but the psychologists are good. Good pedigrees, good reps, probably people I'd be cool with doing an eval on my own kids.
My apologies. I did a quick google search for a site that gave a quick breakdown of the therapy. I have no idea if those specific providers are good at using the EBP. For a more comprehensive review of the literature regarding the efficacy of SPACE, I'll post the following link:


Hope that helps clear things up a bit more!

If anything, interest in SPACE is probably a decent litmus test that a provider leans more evidence-based than not.
I feel like a lot of these things are parents that are not willing to tolerate their kids' distress. What’s the over/under on the modal family being an anxious mother who is either single or unattracted to her ineffectual spouse, with limited comforting stimulation, resistance to thinking about a future without the buffer of having a kid in the household, and more money than sense? Also called: “the anxious dog mom without a dog”

The entire issue of resolve is an interesting thing in psychotherapy and behavioral treatments. It's like the diabetes behavioral treatments that work, but no one can tolerate the caloric restrictions. Is it ethical to force someone to starve, to save their life? And to what degree?
On the bigger picture: most of the impairing childhood issues I see boil down to parents who cannot tolerate their kid’s distress. Honestly, that is about 99 percent of it. Most kids I evaluate are over-coddled.

Patterns I see all the time in parent work:
  • Parents who overaccommodate because they cannot stand their child’s upset. This is not unique to anxiety, it shows up with oppositional behaviors, intellectual disability, and more. Sometimes kids become tyrannical and even unsafe or dangerous.
  • The parents themselves are usually anxious. Often they are well-educated young professionals. In family history, there is almost always a parent who was cold, strict, or emotionally unavailable. The pendulum then swings in the other direction into hyper-warm and over-nurturing.
  • Often dad is the higher-level professional, works long hours, and is more comfortable letting the kid sit with distress, although he struggles with emotional validation. Mom validates endlessly but cannot stand displays of distress. Mom usually holds the visible power in the household. Dad tends to be agreeable, not uninvolved, but more “I don’t want to make her mad” or “we have had this argument a hundred times.” Sometimes he genuinely worries he will do more harm than good. Dad might be uncomfortable bearing the role of a masculine role model.
  • Mom may or may not be working, but she is always capable and talented enough to succeed professionally. Guilt about working, or not working, is usually baked into the family dynamic.
  • By the time I see these families, they have usually run through individual counseling, some crunchy lifestyle or nutritional recommendations, and at least one psych eval “just to check for autism.” (Spoiler: the kid is usually rigid, intense, unhappy, but it is rarely autism. Sometimes the parents are disappointed when it is not, because now they have lost the easy label that “explains everything.”)

Teach parents that distress is normal, and often healthy. Coach them to communicate: “We unintentionally taught you that XYZ is more dangerous than it actually is. You can handle this.” Start targeting accommodations directly: going for a walk without the kid, shutting the bathroom door, and so on. Expect pushback. Sometimes it gets emotionally manipulative: “If you do not call me every six minutes at work, I will kill myself.” The fix is to bring in other adults, such as neighbors, aunts, and uncles, so the kid sees that love and support do not only come through control. You also set up support calls for when the child does handle a reduction in accommodations without blowing up.

I really like this intervention because it is concrete. It is coaching parents to both allow distress and deliver a supportive message that is not invalidating. Eli Lebowitz spends a lot of training time reminding providers that “supportive” is not the same as endless validation. It is validation plus a call to belief in the child’s ability to cope.

I have never applied it directly to failure-to-launch cases, but I would love to if I ever went into private practice (after finding a solid consultation group). You could print money doing this...
 
My grad school town is about an hour from the Canadian border so I go quite often.


I highly recommend their breakfast sandwiches! I generally think of Tim's as a much better version of Starbucks.
Sous vide egg bites and an unsweetened iced tea from starbucks was my go-to order for my Pharma reps. Supposedly Tim's has a pretty good black coffee, but I don't partake anymore. TimBits (munchins) are decent in a pinch. I haven't had either in a couple/few years, so YMMV.
 
Just had my CPQ confirmed today, and have requested that confirmation be sent to the Ontario College of Psychology and ABA. Heading to the border Thursday to apply for a work permit. If that goes well (and it better- the immigration attorney wasn't cheap!), I can then get my interim autonomous registration to practice psychology (good for a year while I pursue "real" license) and also my registration as an Applied Behavior Analyst. Ontario ABA regulations are rather weak (compared to MA and some other states that I know of). The practice of ABA is not regulated, per se, but some of the titles are. For example- without registration I can't call myself an "Applied Behavior Analyst" or list or otherwise use my BCBA-D credential, but I can practice ABA. It's a formality either way, as ABA registration just requires that I have the BCBA (and pay some fees, of course!).
 
Just had my CPQ confirmed today, and have requested that confirmation be sent to the Ontario College of Psychology and ABA. Heading to the border Thursday to apply for a work permit. If that goes well (and it better- the immigration attorney wasn't cheap!), I can then get my interim autonomous registration to practice psychology (good for a year while I pursue "real" license) and also my registration as an Applied Behavior Analyst. Ontario ABA regulations are rather weak (compared to MA and some other states that I know of). The practice of ABA is not regulated, per se, but some of the titles are. For example- without registration I can't call myself an "Applied Behavior Analyst" or list or otherwise use my BCBA-D credential, but I can practice ABA. It's a formality either way, as ABA registration just requires that I have the BCBA (and pay some fees, of course!).
I believe someone said something about you sending all of us Canadian baked goods, in celebration?
 
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I was able to get my job specific work permit at the border crossing yesterday, which then allowed my wife to get her open work permit as a result. I notified the Ontario Co.lege of Psychologists shortly thereafter, and received my Interim Autonomous Practice registration this morning. In other words, this is really happening! Wife and I are currently hanging out in our subsidized, furnished penthouse condo (whole other story). Pretty crazy- its on the 33rd floor and has the same square footage as my house (which is small), not including basement. Move up here date now looks to pretty solidly be beginning of November. Now that I can officially work as a psychologist and have an Ontario address, I can now register my business, get a corporate bank account, set up my payroll system (I'm the only employee!), etc. Hope to be seeing patients by mid-November. I may even give myself a few weeks off between jobs.
 
For those keeping tabs, still no Canadian sweet treats yet. I did make a celebratory Manhattan (or two) with some Wayne Gretzky no. 99 Red Cask Canadian Whisky (it was..ok?) and drank a Moosehead. I'll get some Tim Hortons tomorrow morning.
If you had only four hours for an autism evaluation. What would you give?
 
If you had only four hours for an autism evaluation. What would you give?
Assuming I did an intake and have some background info on developmental history, medical/gentic histories, neonatal history, etc.before testing (if not, add 30 min or so):

Under 2.5yo- Bayley cognitive and language, ADOS-2, Bayley Social Emotional Adaptive Behavior Questionnaire (or Vineland-3). Add Bayley Motor if any concerns for motor skills development. ~2hours direct testing, scoring as i go along. 30 minutes feedback, hour or so write-up. If you're not good at building rapport, dealing with typical toddler separation anxiety and other assorted nonsense, add an hour or so.

2.5-3.5yo- add in an SRS-2. Maybe an additional 15 minutes of scoring and write up time.

3.5- 4yo- WPPS-IV, CASL-2 (receptive and express everything scales at a minimum, sentence level scale if warranted, and grammatical morphemes and pragmatic language if the kids a talker), ADOS-2, SRS-2, Vineland-3, BASC-3 to identify potential internalizing stuff. If nothing comes up to suggest some kind of precocious anxiety/depression, and kid is generally cooperative (50% are, 40% aren't but can be persuaded to participate, 5% make you question your career choices, 5% make you question your life choices) you may be able to get away with 2.5 hours direct testing, 20 minutes scoring, 30 minutes feedback, and then type fast so you take less of a loss on the write-up. If something comes up that makes you think there's some type of internalizing disorder or executive functioning problems, add another 1-2 hours for additional structured diagnostic interview, NEPPSY-2 substances, etc.

4-5yo- getting it done, scored, and written up in 4 hours would be a stretch. Too many other differential diagnoses to look at/test for, and preschoolers and early elementary will often need 2 testing sessions, as cognitive and language in one day can push third limits and thus you may not get accurate data if you do the ADOS on same day.

Over 5 yo- refer out!

There are several client factors that can make things go quicker or slower. Low verbal skills or cognitive skills= hitting those "5 incorrect in row" ceilings much faster than the averagely verbal, average intelligence kid. If you need to use a translator for interview, administration, or feedback, add 10% more time. Very non-compliant, extreme separation anxiety, etc, ad 20%+ more time.

All this assumes that you are very efficient with the admin and scoring of the tests, as well as with your write-ups. Obviously, ymmv in the area.
 
And what is this inclusive of? Interview/testing, testing only, all of that and report?
Assuming I did an intake and have some background info on developmental history, medical/gentic histories, neonatal history, etc.before testing (if not, add 30 min or so):

Under 2.5yo- Bayley cognitive and language, ADOS-2, Bayley Social Emotional Adaptive Behavior Questionnaire (or Vineland-3). Add Bayley Motor if any concerns for motor skills development. ~2hours direct testing, scoring as i go along. 30 minutes feedback, hour or so write-up. If you're not good at building rapport, dealing with typical toddler separation anxiety and other assorted nonsense, add an hour or so.

2.5-3.5yo- add in an SRS-2. Maybe an additional 15 minutes of scoring and write up time.

3.5- 4yo- WPPS-IV, CASL-2 (receptive and express everything scales at a minimum, sentence level scale if warranted, and grammatical morphemes and pragmatic language if the kids a talker), ADOS-2, SRS-2, Vineland-3, BASC-3 to identify potential internalizing stuff. If nothing comes up to suggest some kind of precocious anxiety/depression, and kid is generally cooperative (50% are, 40% aren't but can be persuaded to participate, 5% make you question your career choices, 5% make you question your life choices) you may be able to get away with 2.5 hours direct testing, 20 minutes scoring, 30 minutes feedback, and then type fast so you take less of a loss on the write-up. If something comes up that makes you think there's some type of internalizing disorder or executive functioning problems, add another 1-2 hours for additional structured diagnostic interview, NEPPSY-2 substances, etc.

4-5yo- getting it done, scored, and written up in 4 hours would be a stretch. Too many other differential diagnoses to look at/test for, and preschoolers and early elementary will often need 2 testing sessions, as cognitive and language in one day can push third limits and thus you may not get accurate data if you do the ADOS on same day.

Over 5 yo- refer out!

There are several client factors that can make things go quicker or slower. Low verbal skills or cognitive skills= hitting those "5 incorrect in row" ceilings much faster than the averagely verbal, average intelligence kid. If you need to use a translator for interview, administration, or feedback, add 10% more time. Very non-compliant, extreme separation anxiety, etc, ad 20%+ more time.

All this assumes that you are very efficient with the admin and scoring of the tests, as well as with your write-ups. Obviously, ymmv in the area.
I will move it to another thread.
 
Update: found out this morning that I passed the Ontario Jurisprudence exam! It was by far the hardest I've taken (MA and CT were others), but that could just be that I'm not as used to taking tests as I used to be. Next step towards a Full Autonomous Practice Registration in Psychology is an interview with three members of the College of Psychologists an Behaviour Analysts of Ontario (CPBAO) from my area of practice. Should happen in December. I have my Interim Autonomous Practice (IAP) registration which allows me to practice for 12 months while pursuing full registration. The IAP registration fee is $1200 CAD ($855 USD), which seems pretty steep.

I joined the Ontario Psychological Association so I could qualify for the discounted professional liability insurance. Had to submit a declaration of my PLI policy to the CPBAO, which unusual to me (neither MA or CT require PLI, thoughof course i have it). CPBAO requires minimum $2000000 coverage with no deductible.

I began my application for Registered Behaviour Analyst. It's the same college, which is nice because they already have somevof the documents (e.g., academic transcripts; verification of good standing with all psych boards where I'm licensed). Biggest hurdle there will be the Vulnerable Sectors Check (there equivalent of what we call a CORI report here) looking for any illegal activity in my past. In Ontario its done by your local police. It requires an SIN number (like an SSN in the US), which i can now apply for with my work permit and job offer. Could take a while. Not a big problem, in that Ontario doesn't regulate the practice of ABA, just the titles of people doing it! I can engage in ABA services, but I can't call myself a "Behaviour Analyst" (I'll have to check-in its ok if I spell it without the "u"!) And can't list my BCBA-D credentials.

I had my workshop accepted for the OntABA conference in November, which will be fun.

Moving up three weeks from today. I'm down to only 5 or so legit panic attacks per day. I'm excited, and have the option of just coming back if it doesn't work out (which I recognize as a privilege many immigrants do not have), but i would by lying if I said I wouldn't have been too upset if the Border Agent denied my work permit application! Now I better get packing!
 
Last day of work in the states today. One last diagnostic feed back meeting (of course parent cried!), going away luncheon, then back to pack of office. Capped by saying goodbye at the center, with last client interaction being a little girl running up to me and requesting a "hug attack" (have I told you that I love my job?).

Gifted a bottle of MacAllan 12 year by coworkers. Problem is just yesterday I bought a bottle of Maker's and Woodford Reserve to bring with us, and we only get two bottles duty/tax free. I had thought of just paying duty/tax on the MacAllan, but that would be $115 Canandian. Im leaving behind the Maker's.

Packing car and making manifests (all were bring now and internships the future, with values) tomorrow. Straightening up house and yard Saturday, and moving to Canada on Sunday. Start new job on 11/17 and- more importantly- new ice hockey league on 11/19! Presenting at OntABA conference next week. I'm exhausted, but excited for this adventure. I can always come back if it doesn't work out.
 
Last day of work in the states today. One last diagnostic feed back meeting (of course parent cried!), going away luncheon, then back to pack of office. Capped by saying goodbye at the center, with last client interaction being a little girl running up to me and requesting a "hug attack" (have I told you that I love my job?).

Gifted a bottle of MacAllan 12 year by coworkers. Problem is just yesterday I bought a bottle of Maker's and Woodford Reserve to bring with us, and we only get two bottles duty/tax free. I had thought of just paying duty/tax on the MacAllan, but that would be $115 Canandian. Im leaving behind the Maker's.

Packing car and making manifests (all were bring now and internships the future, with values) tomorrow. Straightening up house and yard Saturday, and moving to Canada on Sunday. Start new job on 11/17 and- more importantly- new ice hockey league on 11/19! Presenting at OntABA conference next week. I'm exhausted, but excited for this adventure. I can always come back if it doesn't work out.
Best wishes for an easy move and a wonderful new adventure!
 
So. ... I've gone and done it. I now live on a different country. Very excited but also very disoriented, but that's to be expected. The dog is pretty freaked out, but quickly gets over it when there's buches of people in the elevator who want to give her a pet (it's a long way down from the 33rd floor- much different than just opening the slider to the backyard and letting her do her thing). Spending today doing some personal errands like settings up the bank accounts, unpacking, dealing with internet installation, setting up my new PS5 that I treated myself to. Oh ...and we also have to go and sign up for the health care that you get just because you live and work here (what kind of socialist hell hole have I gotten myself into!?!).

Real work starts in a few weeks. Have conference (OntABA) Thursday and Frisay, with my presentation on Friday. I'll get to take the train into the city all by myself, like a big boy!
 
It's been a month and change in the new country, and a few weeks on the job. Liking it all so far. Mental health services in Ontario are pretty hard to come by, and not covered by provincial insurance, so its taken some getting used to working in a private pay environment, but I'm settling in. Seeing some older kids than I had been (turns out verbal 11 year olds are kind of interesting!).

Personally, living in a city is way more convenient than i could possibly have imagined. Stores and restaurants open all night and within walking distance. Living on the 32nd (and top) floor offers amazing views, and I really like being wished a good day/night multiple times during every elevator ride. The city's (Mississauga Ontario) square and skating rink are visible right across the street, and we sometimes just watch out the windows while playing the music from Charlie Brown's Christmas. Makes me smile. I go over and skate some nights, and am surrounded by happy skaters in toques, turbans, dastar, and headscarves, also enjoying their new lives in a new place. There's pick up hockey for over 55 y.o. every morning, it costs less than $4 us for a 90 minute skate (which is CRAZY cheap). I'll have played 5 times this week (which is about 2-3 times too many, but i am down about 12 pounds since moving here!).

Went to an office (similar to a Registry of Motor Vehicles) in a strip mall a few weeks ago, and walked out with free health insurance (called OHIP). Went to a local walk in clinic and saw an MD (no charge) to get my prescriptions transfered. Pharmacy is in same office. Medication isn't covered by OHIP, but I got a 90 day supply for what a 30 day supply would cost back in the states with insurance. When the counter worker told me price i laughed. She apologized, saying that she knew it was expensive!

Still can't buy Bourbon (or other American alcohol) up here. Still haven't found a really good canadian whisky suitable for anything but mixed cocktails. However- Ontario wines are actually very good.
 
It's been a month and change in the new country, and a few weeks on the job. Liking it all so far. Mental health services in Ontario are pretty hard to come by, and not covered by provincial insurance, so its taken some getting used to working in a private pay environment, but I'm settling in. Seeing some older kids than I had been (turns out verbal 11 year olds are kind of interesting!).

Personally, living in a city is way more convenient than i could possibly have imagined. Stores and restaurants open all night and within walking distance. Living on the 32nd (and top) floor offers amazing views, and I really like being wished a good day/night multiple times during every elevator ride. The city's (Mississauga Ontario) square and skating rink are visible right across the street, and we sometimes just watch out the windows while playing the music from Charlie Brown's Christmas. Makes me smile. I go over and skate some nights, and am surrounded by happy skaters in toques, turbans, dastar, and headscarves, also enjoying their new lives in a new place. There's pick up hockey for over 55 y.o. every morning, it costs less than $4 us for a 90 minute skate (which is CRAZY cheap). I'll have played 5 times this week (which is about 2-3 times too many, but i am down about 12 pounds since moving here!).

Went to an office (similar to a Registry of Motor Vehicles) in a strip mall a few weeks ago, and walked out with free health insurance (called OHIP). Went to a local walk in clinic and saw an MD (no charge) to get my prescriptions transfered. Pharmacy is in same office. Medication isn't covered by OHIP, but I got a 90 day supply for what a 30 day supply would cost back in the states with insurance. When the counter worker told me price i laughed. She apologized, saying that she knew it was expensive!

Still can't buy Bourbon (or other American alcohol) up here. Still haven't found a really good canadian whisky suitable for anything but mixed cocktails. However- Ontario wines are actually very good.

Have you tried JP Wiser 18, or some of the Caribou Crossing single barrels?
 
Have you tried JP Wiser 18, or some of the Caribou Crossing single barrels?
I have a delightful canadian whiskey! I'll have to see what it is when I get home. it was a gift from a Canadian expat when I took care of their dog.

That reminds me, it's time to make some boozy eggnog.
 
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Have you tried JP Wiser 18, or some of the Caribou Crossing single barrels?
Yes to the JP Wiser 18. Not too bad. The standard JP Wiser Deluxe, has been my go to. I find that Manhattans made with Canadian Whiskey workmbestbif they're perfect (half sweet, half dry vermouth) versus just with sweet. I'll have to hunt down some Caribou Crossing.
 
Yes to the JP Wiser 18. Not too bad. The standard JP Wiser Deluxe, has been my go to. I find that Manhattans made with Canadian Whiskey workmbestbif they're perfect (half sweet, half dry vermouth) versus just with sweet. I'll have to hunt down some Caribou Crossing.
I have JP Wiser!!! It's a square bottle. It's really lovely.