# -=The Hill Technique for Angle Ranking=-

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#### ORLO

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Lately, I've been seeing a lot of posts regarding angle ranking and the various ways to improve this skill. To all those struggling with this section, I recommend trying a technique I invented. I'm dubbing it the Hill Technique.

Pretend that one side of the angle is the ground.(This may require you to mentally rotate the angle slightly, or just tilt your head, depending on how the angle is rotated on the screen.) Next, imagine that the other side of the angle is a hill. Finally, imagine that you are looking at this hill and trying to decide if it would be safe to ride your bike down it. For all acute angles (less than 90 degrees), the safest hill to ride down would the smallest angle. This is because the slope is not as steep. However, a steep slope (larger angle) would be scarier to ride down. Make sure you are riding down the outside part of acute angles and not on the inside, which would require you to be upside down on your bike!

For obtuse angles (greater than 90 degrees), ride down the hill on the inside of the angle. This time, the safest hill to ride down will correlate to the largest angle.This would be the closest to 180 degrees, or the closest to having no slope at all. The scariest hill to ride down would be the one with the steepest slope. For obtuse angles, the steepest hill correlates to the smallest angle. At worst (think of a 91 degree angle), this would be like riding your bike down a near-vertical slope.

Looking at the angles this way, (IMO) it becomes much easier to differentiate between them. This method absolutely worked for me on the DAT. If this still seems abstract, draw out two acute angles and follow my instructions. Repeat for two obtuse angles. You'll get the hang of it very quickly. Feedback and questions are welcome. Good luck!

-Remember to always wear a helmet when riding your bicycle.

-Be sure to check out my other method for angle ranking, the Laptop Technique. (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=545924)

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#### rebma

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i just tried this technique and it is working for me!! my neck hurts a little though from moving it left and right haha... but after doing questions on crack pat for angle ranking i got above 80% thanks!! i will use this for my last two crack pat tests... how much time do u usually spend on angles during the test??

thanks again i love the hill technique!! just be careful not to strain your neck! haha

#### topdent1

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I also have my own strategy. I was getting killed on crack dat angles so I came up with this: Your eyes don't lie. As soon as the problem appears on the screen, scan through the choices quickly (less than 5 seconds) and quickly remember the order which you perceived the angles. I know this method sounds a little far-fetched but i tried it today and instead of getting 8/15 on angles I got a 12. Seriously think about it. The more you stare at the angles, the more your eyes will adapt to the objects on the screen making the angles look more similar than ever. Plus you'll also save mad amounts of time.

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#### HoangDDS

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hey great technique. I just got 11/15 using your technique!! That's a huge improvement over my normal 8s, 9s, and one 10. I'm doing well in everything else except this area. Thanks for posting this technique. Took a bit to get used to, had to think about it.

Acute angles = steeper / more dangerous = bigger ; less steep /safer = smaller

obtuse angles = steeper / more danger = smaller; safer = bigger

I mt. bike and snowboards so, thinking about it this way makes it more fun...which one is steeper or more dangerous = bigger = more fun !

#### HoangDDS

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man, this just gets better and better. Just tried the technique again and got a 12/15 on angles in test 6! I don't use it all the time, but I use when I can't decide on two angles. Great technique!

#### klutzy1987

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Damn lol why couldnt i have known about this before i took my DAT lol. I am pretty sure that i got every section of PAT perfect or a 14 except for angles where i think i got like a 10. Had i been able to get angles like you, since you say its much easier now i coulda really killed the PAT.

#### ORLO

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i just tried this technique and it is working for me!! my neck hurts a little though from moving it left and right haha... but after doing questions on crack pat for angle ranking i got above 80% thanks!! i will use this for my last two crack pat tests... how much time do u usually spend on angles during the test??

thanks again i love the hill technique!! just be careful not to strain your neck! haha

I usually spent ~12 minutes on angles. This may be too much time for some people, but I really tried to get the majority of them right. By the way, I'm glad people are finding my technique helpful!

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I love it too!!

#### Contach

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I don't know if a lot of you do this or not (by some people's marks it doesn't seem like they do).. so....

on the PAT, it's also important to determine which angles you are most sure about, and eliminate all the other choices..

like say from smallest to largest the choices are:
a) 1-2-3-4
b) 1-2-4-3
c) 2-3-1-4
d) 2-3-4-1

and you aren't sure about which is smaller out of 1, 3, and 4, but you ARE sure that 2 is smaller then all of 1, 3 and 4. Then you can immediately eliminate options (a) and (b). Now you are left with (c) and (d) and since in both these options 3 is smaller than 1 and 4, all you need to guess between (or reanalyze) are angles 1 and 4.

Typing it out makes it sound like a long process, but it is very quick (or atleast when I did it). Sometimes this strategy will make it so you only need to compare one angle (and coincidentally that may be the angle comparison you are most sure about), and BAM you are done. The Hill technique, which may work for you, is great, but doing any technique in a vacuum without considering the choices in front of you is only going to make it harder.

#### brightsmiles9

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GREAT technique, thanks for sharing.. any ideas for tfe?

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visit the my wicked sick PAT tutorial for some great TFE advice, also is it just me or can the hill method be applied in only select situations, especially on CDP?

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#### ORLO

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visit the my wicked sick PAT tutorial for some great TFE advice, also is it just me or can the hill method be applied in only select situations, especially on CDP?

It can be applied to any group of angles in any situation.

#### Penguin1

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how do you decide which side of the angle to use as the ground? does that matter?

#### tinman831

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how do you decide which side of the angle to use as the ground? does that matter?

Doesn't matter. You'll get the same result either way. This "technique" is the same way you use a protractor to measure an angle.

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#### smiley00

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i dont get what you mean by this would require you to be upside down on the bicycle? b/c if i m on the outside of the angle, and riding down i'm right side up...not upside down. am i missing something? thanks for your help!

#### recyrb

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you missed when he said make sure you are on the outside of the angle, not on the inside.. if you are on the inside you would be riding upside down.. just for kicks

#### RCLEE

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I just took the Topscore 1st PAT and got a 14/15. Normally, my methods on angle ranking work pretty well. So, I want to share them with you guys.

1 - Look for the biggest and smallest.
2 - One the two angles that look very similar in size. proceed to the next question and then go back right away and pick the one that you first think is the smallest. You inner perceptual ability (at least mine, but you should try, too) would get the angle ranking right.
3 - compare the length of the whole piece to others. I notice this in the ADA practice PAT.

Anyway, good luck you guys!

#### woox

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I know this is a massive bump, but I just went to getting 6/15 right on my angle PAT to 15/15 with the hill technique. You rock.

#### tristaw

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I was getting 6's on the angle ranking and I tried it the first time on CRACKDAT and I got an 11/15!!! This technique has really helped me. Thanks

#### ORLO

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I'm glad people are finding my trick helpful I think it works because it takes something somewhat abstract and places it in a much more familiar visual context. Good luck to all those who haven't taken the DAT yet!

#### Joedahoe

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hey could u post a youtube video or draw a picture with the bicyclist location on the hill. im not really understanding your explanation for determining the acute angles. I do understand the obtuse angle illustration however, just need helping visualizing the "hill" technique for the acute angle determination. thanks again brother.

awesome strat

#### jwnichols21

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I have had some success with this..but do you have any advice for when the angles are proposed at a direction that you can't employ this technique?! Thanks

#### willdrill4food

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Hey I made this explanation of your method and posted it on my breakdown but I thought it might reach more eyes here, if it is helpful. All the credit goes to ORLO for the idea. Your method really helped my scores. I was getting below 7-8 correct when I started PAT, and ended up getting 13-15 at the end. Not sure how many I missed on the real DAT but I got a 25 on PAT.

Anyways, here's my explanation with some visual aid... even though it sounds simple, it took me a little time use it properly. At first I thought I had it and my scores raised slightly, but when I really visualized looking down the hill in my head, thats when I started to barely miss any angles. The angles I did miss, when I looked at them with slightly fresher eyes, they weren't any harder than the others. It's really simple once you get it and extremely effective. Hopefully someone finds this useful. It really is about visualizing looking down the slope, like the eye in the explanation, regardless if it makes a perfect hill or not (like the upside down hill in angle 2).

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#### rak173

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This is some great technique! Thanks!

#### mOlar1!

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Lately, I've been seeing a lot of posts regarding angle ranking and the various ways to improve this skill. To all those struggling with this section, I recommend trying a technique I invented. I'm dubbing it the Hill Technique.

Pretend that one side of the angle is the ground.(This may require you to mentally rotate the angle slightly, or just tilt your head, depending on how the angle is rotated on the screen.) Next, imagine that the other side of the angle is a hill. Finally, imagine that you are looking at this hill and trying to decide if it would be safe to ride your bike down it. For all acute angles (less than 90 degrees), the safest hill to ride down would the smallest angle. This is because the slope is not as steep. However, a steep slope (larger angle) would be scarier to ride down. Make sure you are riding down the outside part of acute angles and not on the inside, which would require you to be upside down on your bike!

For obtuse angles (greater than 90 degrees), ride down the hill on the inside of the angle. This time, the safest hill to ride down will correlate to the largest angle.This would be the closest to 180 degrees, or the closest to having no slope at all. The scariest hill to ride down would be the one with the steepest slope. For obtuse angles, the steepest hill correlates to the smallest angle. At worst (think of a 91 degree angle), this would be like riding your bike down a near-vertical slope.

Looking at the angles this way, (IMO) it becomes much easier to differentiate between them. This method absolutely worked for me on the DAT. If this still seems abstract, draw out two acute angles and follow my instructions. Repeat for two obtuse angles. You'll get the hang of it very quickly. Feedback and questions are welcome. Good luck!

-Remember to always wear a helmet when riding your bicycle.

-Be sure to check out my other method for angle ranking, the Laptop Technique. (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=545924)
OMG I AM SO GLAD I FOUND THIS MIDNIGHT lmfao i read this twice and my neck hurts but i legit got 4/5 right on bc. This is great. Thank you so much.

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#### paulchambers

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I used to score 50% in angle ranking when a technique dawned on me. Instead of focusing on the lines themselves, I started to focus on the space between the lines. At first I imagined that the lines formed one of those conical paper cups, and would imagine each filling with water, the cup with the most water is the biggest. When deciphering between two, I would imagine one of the triangles formed between the two lines trying to slide into the other, if it didn't fit, it's larger. For acute angles, I have a different technique that's kind of violent but works... I imagine each triangle formed between the lines is a knife that I'm getting stabbed with. The one that hurts the most is the largest... It's a little morbid but after I started doing this and focusing on the space between the lines, I was getting 14/15 and 15/15 on angle ranking on almost every test.

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#### futDDS2018

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OMG I AM SO THANKFUL FOR YOU!
it is my first post on here. Thankyouuuuuu so much!!
i didnt get any of them right until i used your method and got all of them right! thank you <3

#### j_reidie95

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Bootcamp DIFENETLY accounted for this strategy in the positioning of their questions. I literally haven't come across one where the positioning of at least 1 out of 3 is so far off that you can't turn your head without one facing the wrong direction your perception wants to ground to be -___-

#### mycotoxo

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Hey I made this explanation of your method and posted it on my breakdown but I thought it might reach more eyes here, if it is helpful. All the credit goes to ORLO for the idea. Your method really helped my scores. I was getting below 7-8 correct when I started PAT, and ended up getting 13-15 at the end. Not sure how many I missed on the real DAT but I got a 25 on PAT.

Anyways, here's my explanation with some visual aid... even though it sounds simple, it took me a little time use it properly. At first I thought I had it and my scores raised slightly, but when I really visualized looking down the hill in my head, thats when I started to barely miss any angles. The angles I did miss, when I looked at them with slightly fresher eyes, they weren't any harder than the others. It's really simple once you get it and extremely effective. Hopefully someone finds this useful. It really is about visualizing looking down the slope, like the eye in the explanation, regardless if it makes a perfect hill or not (like the upside down hill in angle 2).

Great explanation, thank you

#### NHFields

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Awesome technique. I was getting so many angle ranking questions wrong but this strategy has been a huge help!

#### beeepbooop

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This is so helpful! I was skeptical but it's been great--thank you.