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Is anyone else watching this? And is anyone else REALLY impressed with Tolin, the lead psychologist?

I was expecting someone with very questionable qualifications, but he's incredibly well-qualified--ABPP, multiple NIH/NIMH RO1's, ~110 articles/books/book chapters in 15 years (which that makes me feel really unproductive as a researcher :laugh:), runs a well-regarded anxiety disorder clinic, etc. And, within my very limited ability to judge such things, he seems like an EXCELLENT clinician who is very grounded in EBT. I've been pleasantly surprised, to say the least.

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I've seen a couple episodes. I do wish the phenomenology of OCD was explained better. But in all fairness, I only recall one author I've read describe it especially well (Jeffrey Schwartz). It's often talked about in a fashion that can be easily misunderstood.
 
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hahaha the tool academy. That's hilarious. Did you know she was married to one of the monkees? She spent like a minute making each person feel like ****, then had them do stupid challenges. How can you call yourself a mental heath professional doing that? UGH.
 
"The Tool Academy" - what is that? I dont think of watched vh1 in years so I'm out of the loop
 
hahaha the tool academy. That's hilarious. Did you know she was married to one of the monkees? She spent like a minute making each person feel like ****, then had them do stupid challenges. How can you call yourself a mental heath professional doing that? UGH.

I thought one of the reasons they picked her was because she was the wife of someone famous. Either way, she is a hack. As for the OCD Project, I watched the first episode or two and I thought Tolin did a decent job of explaining some of the basics. At times it was like he was reading out of Foa's PE book, but at least he isn't dumbing it down too much.

erg923, the Tool Academy is one of the best/worst reality TV shows. I found a marathon of it while stuck at home with food poisoning. The show is about trying to take a bunch of guys (think Jersey Shore) and attempting to change their "tool" ways. They all have g/f's or wives, and this is their last shot at saving the relationship. They also offer the winning "tool" $100k if he can be the last one standing. I'm not sure how many seasons there have been, but the first season is pretty trainwreck-ish.

ps. I was scarred after a couple of days of reality TV. I also saw, "The Rock Bus of Love" which pits a bunch of women stuck in the 1980's against each other as they vie for the former lead singer of Poison, Brett Michaels' affection. Worse of all is Bridezilla. I can't even explain the horrors that happen on that show, but if you want to weep for humanity....DVR an episode.
 
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I watched a few clips of that show. The therapy seems to be straight ERP. It seems to really illustrate the harshness of ERP.

Jeffrey Shwartz has a really different take on OCD with a more pragmatic and less dehumanizing approach.
 
I watched a few clips of that show. The therapy seems to be straight ERP. It seems to really illustrate the harshness of ERP.

The last I saw he picked out a behavior for each person that they were going to attempt to stop (for a set period of time), though I'm skeptical they'll be able to actually do it. ERP can definitely be a rough way to go, but it seems appropriate for this group.
 
I worked at Hartford Hospital in Dr. Tolin's lab during one of my summers as an undergrad several years ago, and I didn't know how to feel when I first heard that he would be doing this show on VH1. I had always thought of him as an excellent clinician and researcher, so I definitely raised an eyebrow at the idea of him being on a reality show. Luckily I was relieved once I saw an episode or two. I guess he has always had a good relationship with the media - I believe he helped treat hoarders on Oprah a few years back - so it wasn't too out of the blue to hear that he would be doing this. Glad to know others are currently satisfied with his presence on the show.
 
erg923, the Tool Academy is one of the best/worst reality TV shows. I found a marathon of it while stuck at home with food poisoning. The show is about trying to take a bunch of guys (think Jersey Shore) and attempting to change their "tool" ways. They all have g/f's or wives, and this is their last shot at saving the relationship. They also offer the winning "tool" $100k if he can be the last one standing. I'm not sure how many seasons there have been, but the first season is pretty trainwreck-ish..

Oh, ok...like those young dudes that have those pencil thin "beards" and say "Bro" alot? I think that my wife's definition of a tool anyway...
 
I am really impressed with Dr. Tolin. It really shows he knows his stuff and doesn't add any B.S. Barney counseling (sorry if this offends anyone). The one show I really can't stand is "Intervention"..it's just so wrong on so many different levels.
 
I worked at Hartford Hospital in Dr. Tolin's lab during one of my summers as an undergrad several years ago, and I didn't know how to feel when I first heard that he would be doing this show on VH1. I had always thought of him as an excellent clinician and researcher, so I definitely raised an eyebrow at the idea of him being on a reality show. Luckily I was relieved once I saw an episode or two. I guess he has always had a good relationship with the media - I believe he helped treat hoarders on Oprah a few years back - so it wasn't too out of the blue to hear that he would be doing this. Glad to know others are currently satisfied with his presence on the show

Did he seem incredibly efficient? His ~7 publication per year publication rate just absolutely amazes me. It feels like we work to the brink to get 4-5 publications a year out in my lab, and I just can't imagine getting 7 a year with clinical and teaching duties (and a family) on top of that...

The VH1 blog here has a lot of interesting Q&A's with Tolin about OCD tx, what gets edited out of the show, and the nature of OCD in general...

http://blog.vh1.com/utag/series/the-ocd-project/29527/

From watching the show, I think Tolin seems to have a near perfect balance between being unrelenting about ERP and being empathetic to how hard this is for the clients, and that balance seems like something you would really need in order to treat OCD well. Also, I have to really admire him for saying that he wouldn't keep someone on the show if it became clear this mode of tx wouldn't be effective for a particular client. Also, I like that he's actually using treatment outcome measures (self-report Y-BOCS at baseline, T1, T2, and T3).
 
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From watching the show, I think Tolin seems to have a near perfect balance between being unrelenting about ERP and being empathetic to how hard this is for the clients, and that balance seems like something you would really need in order to treat OCD well.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think he comes across as too harsh or unempathic. I enjoy watching the show with my non-psychology friends and family, who tend to ask a lot of questions. The show has increased their curiosity in clinical psychology in general. It's also nice to see behavioral therapy performed by a clinician who is clearly comfortable in that modality and who knows what he is doing.
 
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I watched a few clips of that show. The therapy seems to be straight ERP. It seems to really illustrate the harshness of ERP.

Jeffrey Shwartz has a really different take on OCD with a more pragmatic and less dehumanizing approach.

Yes, I very much like his approach. He also has a really good way of explaining the whole obsessive-compulsive cycle, what it's like to the patients, and why they behave the way they do. It's not that other authors don't have that understanding, but I've never seen anybody explain it so well as Schwartz.
 
ps. I was scarred after a couple of days of reality TV. I also saw, "The Rock Bus of Love" which pits a bunch of women stuck in the 1980's against each other as they vie for the former lead singer of Poison, Brett Michaels' affection. Worse of all is Bridezilla. I can't even explain the horrors that happen on that show, but if you want to weep for humanity....DVR an episode.

Well before you weep too much for humanity, keep in mind that the actual amount of "reality" in reality television is generally very low. Most of the interactions you see on those shows are the result of the producers telling people to act a certain way, and then editing the footage to make their behaviors seem even more extreme. It kind of falls somewhere in between improv acting and professional wrestling.
 
Well before you weep too much for humanity, keep in mind that the actual amount of "reality" in reality television is generally very low. Most of the interactions you see on those shows are the result of the producers telling people to act a certain way, and then editing the footage to make their behaviors seem even more extreme. It kind of falls somewhere in between improv acting and professional wrestling.

or maybe they screen people and choose the "right" kind of people for the shows.
 
Wow. So I watched the first few episodes and I have got to say that the methods are mortifying. I just watched a women eat a scone that was wiped around the inside of a toilet.

You can teach a dog not to poop on the floor by beating the heck out of it but there are much more positive ways to go about it.
 
You can teach a dog not to poop on the floor by beating the heck out of it but there are much more positive ways to go about it.

But the question becomes are there more positive evidence based ways to go about it. ERP has helped a lot of people. Although I don't know offhand if there are studies showing that you have to go in the opposite extreme in order to extinguish the compulsions (that would be a great study), the OCD therapists I've heard talk have all reported that they have found this to be the case in their own practices.

As a side note, the therapist should be engaging in all of these behaviors as well. You can't ask a client to do something you wouldn't do...like that scene with him licking the other doctor's shoe.
 
The shoe licking was a bit rough.

I've sometimes wondered whether I should specialize in this type of therapy simply because I'm not squeamish at all. A little bit of shoe licking? That's nothing, bring it on. 😎
 
But the question becomes are there more positive evidence based ways to go about it. ERP has helped a lot of people. Although I don't know offhand if there are studies showing that you have to go in the opposite extreme in order to extinguish the compulsions (that would be a great study), the OCD therapists I've heard talk have all reported that they have found this to be the case in their own practices.

As a side note, the therapist should be engaging in all of these behaviors as well. You can't ask a client to do something you wouldn't do...like that scene with him licking the other doctor's shoe.

Agreed. I'm a little too OCD myself to be a great ERP therapist for many situations😉 We have a clinic nearby that does some pretty extreme things that I would never feel comfortable doing.

That said, while there may be other ways you CAN go about treatment, the reality is that ERP certainly has the strongest evidence base right now. The MBCBT movement is great and I'm all for it - because certainly there ARE clients who are unwilling to go through ERP and their need to be treatments available for them. That said, the nearby clinic I mentioned gets referrals from around the world for a reason. OCD is one disorder that I think it is safe to say almost never gets treated appropriately out in the real world. This clinic has people coming from around the world who are desperate for ERP after seeing 5-10 different therapists who either aren't willing or aren't knowledgeable enough to know to do exposures and not surprisingly, the clients are not getting better.

If a client wants to get better and is willing to go through ERP (which can be rough), I'm not sure we should hold back until something with better evidence comes along just because it seems "rough". Some argue it seems dehumanizing, but I'd make the case that being unable to work, visit friends, or go to the movies for the rest of your life because you are afraid of contamination is far more "dehumanizing" than a few weeks of ERP.
 
I am often concerned about symptom substitution, specially in the more severe OCD cases that are treated with ERP and CBT in general. However, to date I haven't read of any quality study that shows this to be true. Of course it may have to do with the kind of studies are being done and experimenters' theoretical orientation, but it may simply reflect that some mental illnesses have to do with learning/classical conditioning and nothing more. Assuming that early childhood attachment patterns and dynamics underlie all mental illnesses is overly presumptuous.
 
I've sometimes wondered whether I should specialize in this type of therapy simply because I'm not squeamish at all. A little bit of shoe licking? That's nothing, bring it on. 😎

Few things skeeve me out (outside of the dentist and clowns), but the texture of grit at the bottom of the shoe....not really high on my list of flavors.
 
Did he seem incredibly efficient? His ~7 publication per year publication rate just absolutely amazes me. It feels like we work to the brink to get 4-5 publications a year out in my lab, and I just can't imagine getting 7 a year with clinical and teaching duties (and a family) on top of that...

To be honest it was about 6 years ago when I was working there (the summer before my sophomore year of college), and at the time I admit I wasn't paying much attention to such things. But I do remember him being an incredibly devoted and busy PI who I really looked up to!
 
To be honest it was about 6 years ago when I was working there (the summer before my sophomore year of college), and at the time I admit I wasn't paying much attention to such things. But I do remember him being an incredibly devoted and busy PI who I really looked up to!

I forgot to address this, but I actually think what is impressive here is not the number, but that it is mostly good research.

If you think 7 is impressive, you should see what some faculty are cranking out. I can list a number of faculty who publish 20, 30, even 40 articles per year. Many of these are not exactly substantive articles though. I think its also more common in large labs that do a lot of collaboration....people may publish that much but are frequently 12 of 15 authors...etc.
 
Wow. So I watched the first few episodes and I have got to say that the methods are mortifying. I just watched a women eat a scone that was wiped around the inside of a toilet.

You can teach a dog not to poop on the floor by beating the heck out of it but there are much more positive ways to go about it.

But ERP isn't punishment, though it may feel that way to the client. While I agree that the exposures on this show tend to the extreme, I can also see why they would be that way. Tolin answered a similar question in the blog recently (about why he didn't let a clients with contamination OCD only touch the 'blood' she was exposed to with one hand and leave it that, but instead made her rub it all over her hands and [clothed] body) where he said something like "OCD will always try to prove that, somehow, the compulsion is 'working', and so you have to go extreme lengths to prove that it isn't so that the brain can only reach one possible conclusion" (I'm butchering that, but it's the general gist).

There are other theoretical approaches to take with OCD tx, of course, but I have yet hear of an empirically valid one that doesn't involve ERP in some form as a central process (I imagine even something like MBCBT would eventually result in client performing "ERP" on his or herself, so to speak). And ERP WILL be unpleasant for the client by definition.

I agree that Schwartz's explanations are indeed very understandable (OCD was one of my abnormal psych professor's areas of interest, and she used Schwartz's analogies in that lecture, which I found extremely helpful as a student).

(T4C, if this borders too much on a "clinical advice" post, let me know and I'll delete it. Thanks!).

I forgot to address this, but I actually think what is impressive here is not the number, but that it is mostly good research.

If you think 7 is impressive, you should see what some faculty are cranking out. I can list a number of faculty who publish 20, 30, even 40 articles per year. Many of these are not exactly substantive articles though. I think its also more common in large labs that do a lot of collaboration....people may publish that much but are frequently 12 of 15 authors...etc.

Yes, I should have clarified this a high publication rate with generally substantive, thorough studies as their bases (as opposed to, say, 20 opinion pieces a year).
 
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or maybe they screen people and choose the "right" kind of people for the shows.

There's a little of that, although many of the people on the shows are just actors trying to break into the profession who will happily assume the personality of whatever they think the casting agents are looking for. The crazier they act, the more likely they are to get noticed and remembered.

But in general, at least according to the numerous people I've known who have worked in reality tv (both in front of and behind the camera) most of the craziness you see in reality tv (and particularly in the extremely low brow shows) is engineered by the producers rather then a result of the people actually being crazy.
 
But the question becomes are there more positive evidence based ways to go about it. ERP has helped a lot of people. Although I don't know offhand if there are studies showing that you have to go in the opposite extreme in order to extinguish the compulsions (that would be a great study), the OCD therapists I've heard talk have all reported that they have found this to be the case in their own practices.

Anybody know of any studies regarding this? I really question how necessary this is. Part of it is from my own considerations, but part of it is from my own personal experience. I lived with OCD for quite a long time, and finally overcame it years ago. At the time, I had a score in the upper reaches of "severe" on the YBOCS, and I didn't do anything like the "extreme" kind of exposures depicted in the show or discussed by clinicians. All of my "exposure behaviors" were within the range of what the "average" person does on a daily basis.
 
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Anybody know of any studies regarding this? I really question how necessary this is. Part of it is from my own considerations, but part of it is from my own personal experience. I lived with OCD for quite a long time, and finally overcame it years ago. At the time, I had a score in the upper reaches of "severe" on the YBOCS, and I didn't do anything like the "extreme" kind of exposures depicted in the show or discussed by clinicians. All of my "exposure behaviors" were within the range of what the "average" person does on a daily basis.

I think, just IMO in conjunction with the little I know about this type of treatment, it changes things depending on if you do the exposures yourself v. if they're clinician-facilitated. It seems like self-ERP would really expose the client to day-to-day "reality" of exposure while with clinician-facilitated exposure, the client could get into the mindset of ERP as a "therapy only" thing or become sort of dependent of clinician for both exposure and reinforcement of RP, thus necessitating more extreme exposures... just my unempirical thoughts--I'll look on PSYCInfo later to see I can find anything empirical, though I imagine "true" self-exposure would be hard to truly study for obvious reasons.

(Again, if this is leaning to far towards a clinical advice post, please let me know and I'll delete).
 
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ps. I was scarred after a couple of days of reality TV. I also saw, "The Rock Bus of Love" which pits a bunch of women stuck in the 1980's against each other as they vie for the former lead singer of Poison, Brett Michaels' affection. Worse of all is Bridezilla. I can't even explain the horrors that happen on that show, but if you want to weep for humanity....DVR an episode.

I had to comment on Bridezillas, which is one of my guilty pleasure shows! I think that the women on that show are generally like that and not just in the wedding context. If you want to see personality disorders (well, assuming you believe in them!) in action, watch that show. 😀
 
I wanted to bump this thread to see if anyone has suggestions for what I should read to get Jeffrey Schwartz's take on OCD. I'm not sure I've been exposed to it (no pun intended). His wikipedia page lists neuroplasticity as his research interest and I'd be interested in readings on the neurobiology of OCD. I was unclear whether commenters were suggesting Schwartz's view as an alternative that is not compatible with behavioral treatment, but it seems like a theory involving neuroplasticity would be very compatible.
 
I wanted to bump this thread to see if anyone has suggestions for what I should read to get Jeffrey Schwartz's take on OCD. I'm not sure I've been exposed to it (no pun intended). His wikipedia page lists neuroplasticity as his research interest and I'd be interested in readings on the neurobiology of OCD. I was unclear whether commenters were suggesting Schwartz's view as an alternative that is not compatible with behavioral treatment, but it seems like a theory involving neuroplasticity would be very compatible.

I read his book The Mind and the Brain. This isn't just about OCD, but also goes into lots of other stuff about neuroplasticity. Some of his more general views I disagree with, but I love both his approach to OCD plus his manner of explaining it.

I also have several papers he's written. If you want, you can PM me your email address, and I can send them to you.
 
I wanted to bump this thread to see if anyone has suggestions for what I should read to get Jeffrey Schwartz's take on OCD. I'm not sure I've been exposed to it (no pun intended). His wikipedia page lists neuroplasticity as his research interest and I'd be interested in readings on the neurobiology of OCD. I was unclear whether commenters were suggesting Schwartz's view as an alternative that is not compatible with behavioral treatment, but it seems like a theory involving neuroplasticity would be very compatible.

His book on OCD specifically is, IIRC, Brain Lock. It's written, I believe, for a client readership base, though clinicians and researchers might find it useful as well.

Back to show, this week, they did home visits, and it was really interesting to see how a lot of clients sort of digressed when faced with their home environments and shows how much OCD triggers and behaviors can be entrenched in someone's environment, and sort of one of downsides to residential tx.

I remain quite impressed by Tolin's methods of treatment, particularly his mix of compassion and utter toughness.

I do find it slightly unsettling, however, that Tolin is Facebook friends with the clients on the show, though perhaps the ethics are different if they are your clients on TV? What do you think?
 
I thought The Mind & The Brain and Brain Lock were extremely well written as pertaining to OCD.

I also thought his views on neuroplasticity were very interesting.

There is another book by Sharron Begley called Train Your Mind change Your Brain that was another interesting source on neuroplasticity.
 
Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Unfortunately, I have about 50 books in my "must read" pile right now, so I don't think it would be realistic for me to get to those immediately. I'll add them to the bottom of the list, though.

Psy01 I'll send you a PM. Articles are much easier than books at this point.
 
Psy01, this may be different from what you are asking for, but in researching "neurobehavioral" treatments for OCD, I think the articles do a better job than most CBT-oriented pieces
 
Psy01, this may be different from what you are asking for,

I'm not sure of your reference here. Are you referring to my opinion that OCD is often not explained adequately?

but in researching "neurobehavioral" treatments for OCD, I think the articles do a better job than most CBT-oriented pieces

Well, Schwartz's approach would fall under the purview of CBT. Though some would say it's a "third wave" approach.
 
Kevin Suscavage...thats Kevin from the show. Look him up..he's an actor. I'm a little confused right now..
 
Kevin Suscavage...thats Kevin from the show. Look him up..he's an actor. I'm a little confused right now..

Hmmm... interesting... not sure what to make of that... if he was acting, he was doing so very consistently to maintain it 24/7 for 2+ weeks, but I guess that's possible. 😕😕😕 I wonder Tolin would have any comments on that?

The finale, including 2 month follow-ups, was tonight... Of the five tx completers (in other words, minus Kevin, who left midway for outpatient tx), four people were doing pretty well--one seemed to be doing VERY well--though I think they did all receive outpatient aftercare, and Tolin commented that three of the four still had some work to do. The fifth client (who came in with the highest Y-BOCS score and had the highest Y-BOCS score at discharge, though it did decrease quite a bit) immediately entered another residential treatment program, which she was still enrolled in at the two month follow-up. Is 3 month plus inpatient treatment standard for OCD? It seemed a bit long to me.

I really enjoyed this show--it was such a pleasant surprise to turn on TV and see evidence-based yet compassionate treatment skillfully (and ethically) delivered!
 
Kevin Suscavage...thats Kevin from the show. Look him up..he's an actor. I'm a little confused right now..

The OCD Project hasn't hidden this fact. It is listed on the VH1 show page which also reports that his condition has interfered with auditions, etc. After all, just because someone is an actor doesn't mean he or she can't also have mental illness 🙂.
 
The OCD Project hasn't hidden this fact. It is listed on the VH1 show page which also reports that his condition has interfered with auditions, etc. After all, just because someone is an actor doesn't mean he or she can't also have mental illness 🙂.

Makes sense. Odd that it wasn't mentioned in his intro on the show (at least that I can remember). *contented shrug* 🙂
 
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