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In lieu of the other threads popping up, I thought it'd be good for those of us taking the test to identify ourselves 👍

I'm not planning on following a rigid study schedule until January, but I think I'm going to watch a single video off of wikipremed daily to lightly review.

Good luck to everyone... we will crush this exam..
 
10-8-10 on BR 2. I guess that's what three days of no work does. I still can't seem to fix whatever my problem is with verbal. I just lose focus halfway through a passage and realize I have no idea what I read.
 
10-8-10 on BR 2. I guess that's what three days of no work does. I still can't seem to fix whatever my problem is with verbal. I just lose focus halfway through a passage and realize I have no idea what I read.

Do you take a 5-10 second break between passages? That was probably the one tip from EK that I've found useful. Just closing my eyes for 5 seconds between passages helps me reload for the next one.
 
Do you take a 5-10 second break between passages? That was probably the one tip from EK that I've found useful. Just closing my eyes for 5 seconds between passages helps me reload for the next one.

Not after each passage. I do it at the halfway mark. I'll try to do it after every passage. I'm at the point where I'll try anything.
 
Just briefly looked over my BR test and noticed that there are some answers marked incorrect, yet my answer matches their correct answer. Did anyone else notice this too?
 
Took aamc#5 today. I felt the test was very hard, I was stressing over a lot of the questions and hit submit with absolute dejection. Thought I was going to score a 24, but I scored a 29! Getting within a few points of my goal score (30+) so I'm happy. I definitely need a break for a while as my eyes hurt from concentrating on the screen so much.

My breakdowns are as such so far:
aamc#3 6/10/10 (26)
aamc#4 7/8/9 (24 🙁 )
aamc#5 8/10/11 (29)

I still ran out of time on PS and had to guess "C" on 4 questions that I either didn't finish or marked and couldn't review. I really need to figure out how to speed this section up.

I still made a few dumb calculation errors and chose incorrectly on a few 50/50's, so I think my potential score is higher than what is reflected right now. So, there's hope yet! 👍
 
Just took AAMC7. I scored 26(10,6,10). Damn verbal.

I lost 10 points on only two verbal passages. I almost ran out of time. on PS. I finished BS with 13 mins to spare, reviewed all my answers, but didn't change anything. I'm disturbed to find out that, again, I'm one question away from the next higher score on both PS and BS. I'm even more annoyed because I had marked the correct response to a discrete question on the PS, but ended it up changing it just before my time ran out. If I didn't, that would have gotten me an 11 🙁.

I seriously need to work on my verbal.
 
Just took AAMC7. I scored 26(10,6,10). Damn verbal.

I lost 10 points on only two verbal passages. I almost ran out of time. on PS. I finished BS with 13 mins to spare, reviewed all my answers, but didn't change anything. I'm disturbed to find out that, again, I'm one question away from the next higher score on both PS and BS. I'm even more annoyed because I had marked the correct response to a discrete question on the PS, but ended it up changing it just before my time ran out. If I didn't, that would have gotten me an 11 🙁.

I seriously need to work on my verbal.
Are you doing enough post-game on your verbal? Re-reading the passage and each question/answer stem to figure out what they were looking for? This is the only way you will know why you are selecting the wrong answer. Spend a full day going back and re-reading aamc 3-7 and see what is going on.

My difficulty in aamc verbal is that I got too used to the TPR verbal, so I was able to "figure out" the TPR answers easily. I am not used to the different way aamc does their verbal, so my scores are lower. I'm hoping that once it "clicks" I'll be back to scoring in the 12-13 range like I was with TPR.
 
Took AAMC 4 this weekend and got a 36 (13/11/12). Really stoked, but I'm trying not to get too complacent about it, since most claim these early AAMCs are much easier than later tests. Still overwhelmed at the amount of passage material in TBR - I'm not sure I'll be able to finish it all (done all 1/3s, maybe half of the 2/3s), especially when I need to use TPR for weak points.

Are the TPRH SW PS sections calculation heavy? I feel like I'm not getting adequate practice with those, especially since a difficult PS section would throw off my game.
 
Congrats to all you guys dropping big scores on your practice FLs. I on the other hand have been so stressed trying to do well in my classes this semester that MCAT studying has been unintentionally put on the back burner. I have thought about postponing, but according to my advisors I'm better off taking it so I can apply early, and spend the summer studying for a retake in Aug. or so. What do you guys think?
 
Congrats to all you guys dropping big scores on your practice FLs. I on the other hand have been so stressed trying to do well in my classes this semester that MCAT studying has been unintentionally put on the back burner. I have thought about postponing, but according to my advisors I'm better off taking it so I can apply early, and spend the summer studying for a retake in Aug. or so. What do you guys think?

It's an important test. If you don't feel ready for it, don't do it. That's what I think.
 
have thought about postponing, but according to my advisors I'm better off taking it so I can apply early, and spend the summer studying for a retake in Aug. or so. What do you guys think?

No legit advisor should ever tell a student that aiming to retake is an option. The best way to go is to make this a one time thing. You can submit your AMCAS in June without a score just so that you can get the ball rolling with verification (in fact, if you want you can just select one school for the sake of verification, wait to see what your MCAT score is and THEN add more schools). If you take the June MCAT your scores will be sent to schools in July--right around the time committee letters/packets are usually sent. You will be right on track with everyone else who is very early. Don't aim to give it a shot and see how it goes, only take the MCAT when you're truly ready and are getting consistent practice exam results.

Seriously though, you should really question your advisor's advice from here on out. Most schools won't just consider the better retake score, they'll consider all of the scores you have--so taking the MCAT when you're not ready could really hurt you. And if you submitted early with a mediocre MCAT and had to study to retake in August when would you have time to fill out secondaries? Terrible advice.

**To be clear, I don't mean that you should question your advisor when you're talking to him/her. Always stay professional. Just take the advice with some reservations and consult other sources.
 
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To those of you who have improved in verbal, can you share some tips/strategies? Do you review verbal after doing a passage? If so, how do you go over it?
 
Finished my content review last week and took my first FL today.
AAMC#3 8/9/9 (26)

Pretty bummed out. I don't know what happened. Everything seemed pretty easy but then I saw my results. I hear #3 is the easiest FL. Should I not be as worried since this is my first FL and I just finished content review? I have been getting almost perfect scores on all my practice verbal throughout my review so I don't know what happened. Nerves? Feedback?
 
No legit advisor should ever tell a student that aiming to retake is an option. The best way to go is to make this a one time thing. You can submit your AMCAS in June without a score just so that you can get the ball rolling with verification (in fact, if you want you can just select one school for the sake of verification, wait to see what your MCAT score is and THEN add more schools). If you take the June MCAT your scores will be sent to schools in July--right around the time committee letters/packets are usually sent. You will be right on track with everyone else who is very early. Don't aim to give it a shot and see how it goes, only take the MCAT when you're truly ready and are getting consistent practice exam results.

ReadytoRumble -

Would you mind elaborating on this? I am scheduled for the 04/27 MCAT and have been considered postponing, but have also been told that it is essential to apply by June 1st (or thereabouts).

Is this information accurate or would it be advisable to postpone by as long as two months if it might result in a higher score?

Thanks,
Bill R.
 
Finished my content review last week and took my first FL today.
AAMC#3 8/9/9 (26)

Pretty bummed out. I don't know what happened. Everything seemed pretty easy but then I saw my results. I hear #3 is the easiest FL. Should I not be as worried since this is my first FL and I just finished content review? I have been getting almost perfect scores on all my practice verbal throughout my review so I don't know what happened. Nerves? Feedback?
If it's your first FL, ever, then don't worry at all. It will take time and a few more aamc before you really get the hang of the stress associated with taking the FL, the endurance to focus 100% for 4 hours and the experience of reading carefully, spotting trap answers and eliminating careless mistakes.

Great job!
 
To those of you who have improved in verbal, can you share some tips/strategies? Do you review verbal after doing a passage? If so, how do you go over it?
I think I'm in an odd spot right now. I was doing very very well on TPR verbal...missing 1 per passage over the course of an entire test, getting 80-90% correct. I did not adhere to any strategy, but one that I devised my own. I completed the TPR verbal workbook.

But I'm only scoring 10's on the aamc tests I have taken. The questions and answers are too different than TPR. I put so much effort into the TPR verbal tests that I was able to answer the questions mostly without going back to the passage, except for the retrieval questions. The answers just made sense, not sure how to explain it.

I hope I can "figure out" the aamc verbal in the same way. Like I said, the answer choices are too similar for me to immediately jump on an answer and say it's correct. I find myself going back to the passage, like I did at the very beginning of verbal training, searching to justify my answer choice.

I only have aamc 7-11 remaining, so it's not like there is a ton of verbal questions remaining. I'm either going to go back and re-read every passage and review all the answers (with aamc explanations) or I will attempt to re-take just the verbal portions of the tests again and see how I do.

I'd really like to get a 13 on verbal, which I think is in my capabilities based on my TPR scores, but I will be perfectly okay with a 10.
 
I think I'm in an odd spot right now. I was doing very very well on TPR verbal...missing 1 per passage over the course of an entire test, getting 80-90% correct. I did not adhere to any strategy, but one that I devised my own. I completed the TPR verbal workbook.

But I'm only scoring 10's on the aamc tests I have taken. The questions and answers are too different than TPR. I put so much effort into the TPR verbal tests that I was able to answer the questions mostly without going back to the passage, except for the retrieval questions. The answers just made sense, not sure how to explain it.

I hope I can "figure out" the aamc verbal in the same way. Like I said, the answer choices are too similar for me to immediately jump on an answer and say it's correct. I find myself going back to the passage, like I did at the very beginning of verbal training, searching to justify my answer choice.

I only have aamc 7-11 remaining, so it's not like there is a ton of verbal questions remaining. I'm either going to go back and re-read every passage and review all the answers (with aamc explanations) or I will attempt to re-take just the verbal portions of the tests again and see how I do.

I'd really like to get a 13 on verbal, which I think is in my capabilities based on my TPR scores, but I will be perfectly okay with a 10.

I'm doing the TPR verbal tests now and it's really hit or miss for me. Idk if I just lose focus or whatever but I'll go from 5 or 6/7 to 2/7 for no reason.
 
If it's your first FL, ever, then don't worry at all. It will take time and a few more aamc before you really get the hang of the stress associated with taking the FL, the endurance to focus 100% for 4 hours and the experience of reading carefully, spotting trap answers and eliminating careless mistakes.

Great job!

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm hoping it was just my nerves and just a first exposure experience fluke. I HAVE to get 30+. I do not want to have to study for this again. We just had a baby and I was hoping for a relaxing month of PS writing and application prep.
 
ReadytoRumble -

Would you mind elaborating on this? I am scheduled for the 04/27 MCAT and have been considered postponing, but have also been told that it is essential to apply by June 1st (or thereabouts).

Is this information accurate or would it be advisable to postpone by as long as two months if it might result in a higher score?

Thanks,
Bill R.

I sent you a PM Bill.
 
People in the 3/23 thread are talking about proctors preventing them from writing down formulas during the tutorial portion of the test.

Is this true? I am a formula sheet kinda guy and I was planning on a memory dump before PS. Certainly I need to memorize formulas in order to write them down on a sheet of paper, but I am curious if we really aren't allowed to memory dump during the tutorial?
 
People in the 3/23 thread are talking about proctors preventing them from writing down formulas during the tutorial portion of the test.

Is this true? I am a formula sheet kinda guy and I was planning on a memory dump before PS. Certainly I need to memorize formulas in order to write them down on a sheet of paper, but I am curious if we really aren't allowed to memory dump during the tutorial?

Seems to be up to the proctor. You could always contact AAMC and find out what the official ruling on it is. I too, like the memory dump strategy
 
People in the 3/23 thread are talking about proctors preventing them from writing down formulas during the tutorial portion of the test.

Is this true? I am a formula sheet kinda guy and I was planning on a memory dump before PS. Certainly I need to memorize formulas in order to write them down on a sheet of paper, but I am curious if we really aren't allowed to memory dump during the tutorial?

When I took the mcat last year, I utilized the tutorial time to dump as many formulas from memory as possible. Moreover, like how it is on the practice test, you have control over when to begin your next section, so you could actually have a longer break than 10 mins.
 
Wait, I thought the day before the MCAT we aren't supposed to study... Why do everyone recommend this? Is it something people actually follow? I'm so tempted to lightly review that day. It's 29 days because of the rest day and the test day obviously doesn't count in prep time.
 
Wait, I thought the day before the MCAT we aren't supposed to study... Why do everyone recommend this? Is it something people actually follow? I'm so tempted to lightly review that day. It's 29 days because of the rest day and the test day obviously doesn't count in prep time.

Haha, you might be right. I was talking about days in general. I probably will cram formulas and constants (IR Spectra, C13 NMR) into my brain the day before, but that's probably because I won't be able to think about anything else.
 
Yeah I was thinking about doing formula quizzes the day before.

Ahstern, as a medical assistant, do they let you study while at work? Are you going to take some vacation time off from work?

My friends have told me some lab techs can study for a couple hours a day at work, but unfortunately I'm not in that situation.

Oh man, actually now that I think about it I only have 23 days because 6 of those days are AAMC practice test days.
 
Yeah I was thinking about doing formula quizzes the day before.

Ahstern, as a medical assistant, do they let you study while at work? Are you going to take some vacation time off from work?

My friends have told me some lab techs can study for a couple hours a day at work, but unfortunately I'm not in that situation.

Oh man, actually now that I think about it I only have 23 days because 6 of those days are AAMC practice test days.

Unfortunately, I don't have any time during work I can study either (even this posting is secretive). I am taking the day before the test off as well as the day of the test, so I am not getting the vacation time either. It isn't ideal, but I figure I've been studying for so long that it makes up for the lack of cram time.
 
Just took BR exam 3 and all I can say is wow. The verbal just tore me a few more a**holes. PS wasn't bad and BS, my strongest section, went down from what's usually an 11- an 8. I wasn't in the mood at all for verbal so I'm actually debating doing it over tomorrow and trying to see if it was really that hard or my lack of interest/focus made it that difficult.
 
Hey Everyone,

Just out of curiosity - are most of you done with content review at this point? I'm taking the 04/27 MCAT and just finishing up this week. Am I way behind the curve or are some of you right there with me?

Thanks,
Bill R.
 
If you were doing problems while doing content review, I think you are ahead of me. I'm trying to cram in the questions I should have done all along 🙁
 
I'm glad I'm addicted to SDN now. Now the MCAT seems more real. Every time I have an urge to watch a YouTube video or etc, I go to SDN instead. A nice reminder that lots of people are studying and kicking my butt at it too--pretty motivational.
 
Self Assessment Scores:

Chem 83% (17% above avg)
Orgo 75% (11%)
Verbal 75% (11%)
Bio 75% (9%)
Physics 70% (16%)

They weren't all taken at the same time. (bio first, verbal second, chem third, orgo fourth, and physics last). Hopefully my bio is higher now after these last two weeks, but I am disappointed in the physics score. I haven't touched chem or orgo for a while and focused on physics. I guess more physics problems for me. I was really looking to "moving on" from physics mentally. But looks like physics will be center of these next two weeks.
 
Hey Everyone,

Just out of curiosity - are most of you done with content review at this point? I'm taking the 04/27 MCAT and just finishing up this week. Am I way behind the curve or are some of you right there with me?

Thanks,
Bill R.

I did SN2'ed 4 month (kind of) and I'm finishing the last 3rds of chapters this week, with self assessments all next week/week after, then a week to hone weaknesses. I've probably been done with content review for a month, but--again--I started early, knowing I wouldn't have time to do ONLY MCAT before the big day.
 
AAMC policy is that you can't write during the break. If you write formulas and they don't tell you something, then the proctor is being nice or just doesn't care. If they tell you to stop, they're not being mean, they're just following policy.
 
AAMC policy is that you can't write during the break. If you write formulas and they don't tell you something, then the proctor is being nice or just doesn't care. If they tell you to stop, they're not being mean, they're just following policy.
The tutorial is included with this? I'm not asking to write formulas during a break, I'd only need a formula sheet for PS.

If it will end up being a problem, I'll just make sure I memorize all the outlier formulas that I might have used once or twice during practice problems and go from there.

I thought being able to write down a formula sheet during the tutorial would have been nice in the instance that nerves get to me and my mind blanks during some questions. I'd have written everything down already and been good to go.
 
The tutorial is included with this? I'm not asking to write formulas during a break, I'd only need a formula sheet for PS.

If it will end up being a problem, I'll just make sure I memorize all the outlier formulas that I might have used once or twice during practice problems and go from there.

I thought being able to write down a formula sheet during the tutorial would have been nice in the instance that nerves get to me and my mind blanks during some questions. I'd have written everything down already and been good to go.

The tutorial shouldn't be included with this. Once you sit down for the tutorial, you are free to do whatever you chose with that 10 minutes. Unfortunately, some proctors at testing sites don't abide by this. I'm going to make sure I'm allowed to write down my formulas during the tutorial.
 
Just took BR exam 3 and all I can say is wow. The verbal just tore me a few more a**holes. PS wasn't bad and BS, my strongest section, went down from what's usually an 11- an 8. I wasn't in the mood at all for verbal so I'm actually debating doing it over tomorrow and trying to see if it was really that hard or my lack of interest/focus made it that difficult.

4/27er here.

Just took the old BR 3 and I agree that both verbal and BS were pretty rough. I was 1 point away from an 11 in BS and 2 points from an 11 in VR, but only because the curve is so generous.
 
I just realized I get the AAMC self-assessment with my TPR package. This throws a wrench in my planned schedule.

I'm on my phone, so I will quickly ask my question and add in my estimated schedule tonight when I'm at my computer.

I've reviewed all the content, but my TPR course ends on April 4, so I'm still subjected to going to class 2.5 hrs a day.

I have completed AAMC #3-5, so I have #7-11 remaining.

Should I take the self-assessment this weekend and the remaining AAMC's afterward until my test date, or take a couple more AAMC tests followed by the self-assessment followed by the remaining AAMC's.
 
I just realized I get the AAMC self-assessment with my TPR package. This throws a wrench in my planned schedule.

I'm on my phone, so I will quickly ask my question and add in my estimated schedule tonight when I'm at my computer.

I've reviewed all the content, but my TPR course ends on April 4, so I'm still subjected to going to class 2.5 hrs a day.

I have completed AAMC #3-5, so I have #7-11 remaining.

Should I take the self-assessment this weekend and the remaining AAMC's afterward until my test date, or take a couple more AAMC tests followed by the self-assessment followed by the remaining AAMC's.

I had no idea the course came with the self assessments....how do you access them?
 
I just realized I get the AAMC self-assessment with my TPR package. This throws a wrench in my planned schedule.

I'm on my phone, so I will quickly ask my question and add in my estimated schedule tonight when I'm at my computer.

I've reviewed all the content, but my TPR course ends on April 4, so I'm still subjected to going to class 2.5 hrs a day.

I have completed AAMC #3-5, so I have #7-11 remaining.

Should I take the self-assessment this weekend and the remaining AAMC's afterward until my test date, or take a couple more AAMC tests followed by the self-assessment followed by the remaining AAMC's.

I would say stick to your original plan, but instead of practicing TPR material, focus on AAMC SA material. Remember, nothing is as beneficial as practicing AAMC questions and passages.
 
I had no idea the course came with the self assessments....how do you access them?
Under the Diagnostic Exams section of the online content, there is a sub-folder titled AAMC Self-Assessment Diagnostics.

Because I have access to aamc diagnostics, this was the schedule I hashed out quickly today. I wanted to make sure it wasn't going to be too much and I would get burned out. The goal is to peak by the 26th.

March 29-31: aamc diagnostics
April 1-4: Review aamc diagnostics and review content (Finish TPR Course)
April 5: Take aamc #7
April 6-7: Review aamc #7 and review content
April 8: Take aamc #8
April 9-11: Review aamc #8 and review content
April 12: Take aamc #9
April 13-14: Review aamc #9 and review content
April 15: Take aamc #10
April 16-18: Review aamc #10 and review content
April 19: Take aamc #11
April 20-24: Review aamc #11 and final review of aamc #3-11 and content
April 25: Rest
April 26: 8am MCAT.

Will this be too intense? I want to make sure I organize this last month in such a way that I am placed in the best position to succeed on this test. Should I change the schedule and not to the aamc self-assessments until after aamc #7 and #8? If I take the self-assessment with only 2 weeks before the MCAT, will that give me enough time to nail down the content I am weak on?

My scores so far:

TPR 1: 23
aamc #3: 26
aamc #4: 24 (bad test day)
aamc #5: 29

Thanks for helping me out folks!
 
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For the past two days, I have been practicing using AAMC 3,4, and 4 "R" tests. For the most part, the extra passages and the questions are on par with in terms of difficulty with those from the CBT tests. However, I was surprised by how long one ochem passage was. What makes it worse was the fact that it had only 4 questions, so you spend precious 3-4 mins reading the passage and understanding the mechanism only so you could answer 4 questions which, arguably, could be answered without reading the passage. Perhaps, I should stop reading too much into the ochem passages and instead skim through them, and later, refer back to them if necessary. Another passage that frustrated me was a bio passage that seemed more of a verbal passage than bio. All most all of the questions could be answered without background knowledge. Moreover, the answers to some of these questions weren't even in the passage, so you basically have to rely on your "common sense" to answer them. This is torture.

Sorry for the long rant. I only wanted to share my experiences with people who can relate to my agony.
 
For the past two days, I have been practicing using AAMC 3,4, and 4 "R" tests. For the most part, the extra passages and the questions are on par with in terms of difficulty with those from the CBT tests. However, I was surprised by how long one ochem passage was. What makes it worse was the fact that it had only 4 questions, so you spend precious 3-4 mins reading the passage and understanding the mechanism only so you could answer 4 questions which, arguably, could be answered without reading the passage. Perhaps, I should stop reading too much into the ochem passages and instead skim through them, and later, refer back to them if necessary. Another passage that frustrated me was a bio passage that seemed more of a verbal passage than bio. All most all of the questions could be answered without background knowledge. Moreover, the answers to some of these questions weren't even in the passage, so you basically have to rely on your "common sense" to answer them. This is torture.

Sorry for the long rant. I only wanted to share my experiences with people who can relate to my agony.

I understand completely Alnafis. It seems like some passages don't need the passage to answer questions and some do. So I just read them all all the time unless I'm crunched for time. Good luck!!

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Under the Diagnostic Exams section of the online content, there is a sub-folder titled AAMC Self-Assessment Diagnostics.

Because I have access to aamc diagnostics, this was the schedule I hashed out quickly today. I wanted to make sure it wasn't going to be too much and I would get burned out. The goal is to peak by the 26th.

March 29-31: aamc diagnostics
April 1-4: Review aamc diagnostics and review content (Finish TPR Course)
April 5: Take aamc #7
April 6-7: Review aamc #7 and review content
April 8: Take aamc #8
April 9-11: Review aamc #8 and review content
April 12: Take aamc #9
April 13-14: Review aamc #9 and review content
April 15: Take aamc #10
April 16-18: Review aamc #10 and review content
April 19: Take aamc #11
April 20-24: Review aamc #11 and final review of aamc #3-11 and content
April 25: Rest
April 26: 8am MCAT.

Will this be too intense? I want to make sure I organize this last month in such a way that I am placed in the best position to succeed on this test. Should I change the schedule and not to the aamc self-assessments until after aamc #7 and #8? If I take the self-assessment with only 2 weeks before the MCAT, will that give me enough time to nail down the content I am weak on?

My scores so far:

TPR 1: 23
aamc #3: 26
aamc #4: 24 (bad test day)
aamc #5: 29

Thanks for helping me out folks!

I think it's doable. Those assessments are freaking long though but I did mine in one day for every subject. An AAMC test every two days is pretty intense. It takes me two days to fully review one and get the content down. Keep pushing though. Were almost to the finish line!!! Let me know how you did on the assessment tests!

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I think it's doable. Those assessments are freaking long though but I did mine in one day for every subject. An AAMC test every two days is pretty intense. It takes me two days to fully review one and get the content down. Keep pushing though. Were almost to the finish line!!! Let me know how you did on the assessment tests!

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I adjusted my schedule a bit. Initially I thought it was more important to take a test every Friday because my MCAT is scheduled for a Friday morning. I was then attempting to fit an additional test around it.

My new schedule will have an aamc test every 4 days. I will still take my assessments this weekend. I wanted to give myself Fri-Sun for the assessments that way I can spread the verbal out into 3 separate tests.

4 days between aamc's will give me enough time to review as well as have a day to read up on content and watch Chad's videos before the next one.

I'll take aamc #11 on April 22, review the test and final content review with my official MCAT still on April 26.

Hopefully my scores go up and I can look back on the 24 I got on aamc #4 as the fluke :luck:
 
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