The Official 4/27/13 MCAT Thread

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This might be considered a bit early, but full-time college students need to prepare ahead of time, especially when they are doing a research and volunteering, which requires them to spend at least 30-40 hours per week...

Let's share plans, strategies, schedules, and so on to help each other to crack this exam.
 
While browsing aamc.org, I clicked on the FAQ for MCAT2015. They are going to have 4 sections, for 6 hours and 15 minutes total. 😱😱:scared:

And each section has 67 questions (verbal w/ 60 Q's) and it's scored out of 60 now. CRAZY. Glad I won't have to take that (hopefully) 😀
 
And each section has 67 questions (verbal w/ 60 Q's) and it's scored out of 60 now. CRAZY. Glad I won't have to take that (hopefully) 😀

What if they told you that you'll get the score on the same day, at the end of the exam? :meanie:
 
In all honesty, what happens to a question when the answer contains a glaring typo and it's incorrect.

I know for a fact that none of the answers for a question on the 4/27 BS was correct. Is it worth reporting to the AAMC or will they notice it during the grading process?
 
In all honesty, what happens to a question when the answer contains a glaring typo and it's incorrect.

I know for a fact that none of the answers for a question on the 4/27 BS was correct. Is it worth reporting to the AAMC or will they notice it during the grading process?

Ooh, that's odd. That's not supposed to be possible given the AAMC's review process before introducing questions. I would definitely report it.
 
Ooh, that's odd. That's not supposed to be possible given the AAMC's review process before introducing questions. I would definitely report it.

I rember the two reactants and the given products. The names they used do not match the molcules and an atom is either missing or written incorrectly. Regardless, I can say with certain the problem is flawed. My guess, its a new problem that hasn't been tested yet.
 
My two cents on the test:

The PS section tripped me up a little bit at first, which was probably as much a function of nerves as actual difficulty. I wasn't expecting so much Gen Chem. I marked around five questions, but I was able to figure them out/make decent guesses when I went back to them. This was harder than the one AAMC test I took (#8), but markedly easier than Kaplan FLs.

Verbal was easier than I expected. I prepared with Kaplan, which uses a sans serif font. The font on the actual MCAT was easier to read and comprehend, in my opinion, which had a surprisingly large impact on my (perceived) performance. Did anyone else experience this?
My main concern is that I was too hasty when answering questions. I didn't refer back to the passage nearly as much as I usually do.

BS was reasonable, in my opinion. It didn't seem dramatically different from AAMC 8 or Kaplan.
 
For those who have signed up or are going to sign up for a retake, when are you guys planning on taking it? Originally I was thinking June 20th date but there are no spots open 🙁 so I signed up for a July 13th one. Do you guys think that is late? I mean I didn't void the one I took this saturday and I am really hoping I won't have to take it again but I just want to be safe. Do you think that would be fine as long as I get my AMCAS submitted early enough and pre-write my secondaries while I am waiting on my MCAT score mid-july so I can turn them in within a day or two of receipt.

tl;dr
Would july 13th MCAT be considered late as long as my primary gets verified early enough?
 
For those who have signed up or are going to sign up for a retake, when are you guys planning on taking it? Originally I was thinking June 20th date but there are no spots open 🙁 so I signed up for a July 13th one. Do you guys think that is late? I mean I didn't void the one I took this saturday and I am really hoping I won't have to take it again but I just want to be safe. Do you think that would be fine as long as I get my AMCAS submitted early enough and pre-write my secondaries while I am waiting on my MCAT score mid-july so I can turn them in within a day or two of receipt.

tl;dr
Would july 13th MCAT be considered late as long as my primary gets verified early enough?

Can you get a full refund if you decide you don't wanna do the retake?
 
Just to make sure i'm not crazy (i have also had the, "voided by mistake" nightmare)...it should be showing as no scores available right?
 
Just to make sure i'm not crazy (i have also had the, "voided by mistake" nightmare)...it should be showing as no scores available right?

If you got either the trial section or the piece of paper telling you when scores will be available you didn't void.

Also, FWIW, if you think we had a typo on the exam a formal report is due no later than 5 days after our exam date. I submitted one for a certain BS discrete that had both a structure that didn't match the name and a missing atom. Hopefully it was an experimental question, but who knows.
 
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So:

gettheleadout = Lebron
all the real 4/27ers = Garnett/Kobe

Gettheleadout, based on this analogy, you have a bright future ahead of you. In fact, you will become the best doctor in the history of doctors. You will **** on scrubs like this who doubted you when you were young and naive.

Remember me when your name is in lights. That's all I ask.

just remember, it took Lebron 9 years and a receding hairline to get his ring; it took Kobe only 4 seasons...
 
Correct.

While everyone else is rushing the process, gettheleadout is slowly transforming every aspect of his game into becoming an all out juggernaut. When it's gettheleadout's time, and it will be his time, he will take the medical field by storm as we all awe at how many MVP awards (Most Valuable Physician) he has won and his continued unmatched dominance in his profession to do what he wants at will.

While all this is going on, gettheleadout will get bashed for how he handled his public departure from a small market hospital up north to a larger one in South Beach despite having never achieved the most coveted goal in the field. He had no help at the hospital, playing with a bunch of pre-med's who were just looking for some free experience, while his competition reached the prize ONLY with help from some of the greatest doctors (and THE greatest hospital supervisor) to every practice. They asked him to do too much. The small hospital he transferred from quickly went from the top to the worst hospital in the country, while on his new team with an actual team of real assistants/nurses, he is putting on (nonarguably) the greatest clinic in the world, and will continue for many years to come. It is then that his greatness began to be noticed.

We will all one day sit back and laugh at how childish it was to compare gettheleadout to some of the other "big name" doctors. Sure, he took some time to become what he was, but he will soon be the greatest doctor to ever live. You'll tell your children about him one day.

Im sure hes on track to surpass Dr. DeBakey and Dr. Carson by a full 20 years.👍
 
GTLO's comments seem very arrogant. What is his authority to judge people who took this MCAT exam? He claims it's by reading other comments, which is pretty weak since we all have.
 
GTLO's comments seem very arrogant. What is his authority to judge people who took this MCAT exam? He claims it's by reading other comments, which is pretty weak since we all have.

I agree. Im not trying to disrespect anyone, but people should only give advice or offer their opinions on matters that they have been through.

Its like a botanist telling you what medicine to take for your diabetes...
 
I think you guys are putting a lot of words in GTLO's mouth, especially since much of what he was saying was related to another now locked thread. He's been reasonable and respectful throughout and for it he's gotten a bunch of people saying he's arrogant and will be a crappy physician.

Either way, wishing you guys the best of luck on the test. Hope you all get good news in a month!
 
I think you guys are putting a lot of words in GTLO's mouth, especially since much of what he was saying was related to another now locked thread. He's been reasonable and respectful throughout and for it he's gotten a bunch of people saying he's arrogant and will be a crappy physician.

Either way, wishing you guys the best of luck on the test. Hope you all get good news in a month!

👍 when most of us were set to take it 3/23 (gtlo) included, he was very respectful and always trying to help out. I think you guys took his comments and completely twisted them.
 
Studying to get higher scores on the MCAT is a process with diminishing returns. It's nearly impossible for one to feel completely prepared with overarching mastery of all subjects. For GTLO to tell people that they probably prepared poorly if they found this particular MCAT (that he never took) different, is very arrogant. I think his comments on this thread show a different side since he's postponed his own test to several months down the line (likely due to bad prep).
 
Studying to get higher scores on the MCAT is a process with diminishing returns. It's nearly impossible for one to feel completely prepared with overarching mastery of all subjects. For GTLO to tell people that they probably prepared poorly if they found this particular MCAT (that he never took) different, is very arrogant. I think his comments on this thread show a different side since he's postponed his own test to several months down the line (likely due to bad prep).

👍👍
 
I wonder if I should go ahead and register for another exam right now, or hold off until I get my scores and do a late registration. There were only like 10 or 15 people at the test center on my date, so there's a good chance that I should be able to do late registration without any trouble.
 
I wonder if I should go ahead and register for another exam right now, or hold off until I get my scores and do a late registration. There were only like 10 or 15 people at the test center on my date, so there's a good chance that I should be able to do late registration without any trouble.

I would wait till you get the scores back, that's what I'm doing. Hopefully, our curve is more lenient seeing it might have been a bit tougher than 4/26. 😕 Not a day goes by where I don't think about the exam :scared:
 
I would wait till you get the scores back, that's what I'm doing. Hopefully, our curve is more lenient seeing it might have been a bit tougher than 4/26. 😕 Not a day goes by where I don't think about the exam :scared:

I really hope so. I've tried to stop thinking about the exam because it's just annoying me. I know I got a few easy questions in PS wrong, plus all of the hard ones in BS and VR that made me go wtf. Ugh.
 
I really hope so. I've tried to stop thinking about the exam because it's just annoying me. I know I got a few easy questions in PS wrong, plus all of the hard ones in BS and VR that made me go wtf. Ugh.

You have no clue which ones will and will no be counted.

Stay positive.
 
So:

gettheleadout = Lebron
all the real 4/27ers = Garnett/Kobe

Gettheleadout, based on this analogy, you have a bright future ahead of you. In fact, you will become the best doctor in the history of doctors. You will **** on scrubs like this who doubted you when you were young and naive.

Remember me when your name is in lights. That's all I ask.

That wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I wouldn't question getheleadout's intelligence. Based on what I've seen, he appears to be very smart and I'm sure he will do great on his mcat and get into a wonderful school. The point I was trying to make was, when you're arrogant that's all people hear because that's a language everyone can understand. The lay person doesn't find mcat scores impressive, but arrogance... that can be sniffed out from a mile away and I think it's something we all should be reminded of. Medicine, like any venue of higher learning breeds prideful individuals and as people who want to be compassionate and caring we have to keep our pride in check and remember to stay humble.

A nurse of 30 years taught me a very important lesson when I first started working the ER. She said, "I've seen good healthcare providers get sued and I've seen bad health care providers get sued, but you know what? I've seen nice and polite health care providers get sued less."
 
Sad to see people still irrelevantly flaming GTLO for having a different opinion.
I really appreciate your support, mcloaf, as well as all the 3/23'ers (Albein and others) and everyone else who has been here long enough to gain a legitimate impression of my participation in the forums.
i dont think they were flaming him for having a different opinion, but rather the fact that he was giving advice/opinion on something that he had no experience over (the MCAT).
I have given no advice regarding this matter (to avoid confusion, the matter being of the MCAT "changing" and the AAMC materials being useless). If you believe otherwise please quote me. Opinion? Well, I summarized the current state of disagreement between test takers, and used such as refutation of the unilateral claim put forth by one side, further citing logical and evidence-based failures on the part of their sweeping claim.

Further, I have already addressed the issue with the attitude that personal experience with something is requisite for someone to speak on the matter. Does a cardiologist need to experience a heart attack to describe to patients the common symptoms and inform them of how it might feel?

You may feel that analogy is weak, and it may be, but that's really irrelevant to the principle I'm trying to put forward.
GTLO's comments seem very arrogant. What is his authority to judge people who took this MCAT exam? He claims it's by reading other comments, which is pretty weak since we all have.
Describe to me in detail how I'm judging these people. By reading users' comments, I am simply compiling a perspective on test takers' impressions of the test, and when I present this to those on the side of "the test is definitely different no question about it" it is apparent that their claim doesn't hold water. This has put many a user into a fit. See my previous post for a more clear explanation of the current events so far.
I agree. Im not trying to disrespect anyone, but people should only give advice or offer their opinions on matters that they have been through.

Its like a botanist telling you what medicine to take for your diabetes...
Well, I disagree with this outlook. Should someone informed on the effects and addictiveness of heroin be prevented from spreading information about it because they haven't struggled with it themselves? I see you like analogies as well.
I think you guys are putting a lot of words in GTLO's mouth, especially since much of what he was saying was related to another now locked thread. He's been reasonable and respectful throughout and for it he's gotten a bunch of people saying he's arrogant and will be a crappy physician.
Refreshing to have someone with a clear head here.
Studying to get higher scores on the MCAT is a process with diminishing returns. It's nearly impossible for one to feel completely prepared with overarching mastery of all subjects. For GTLO to tell people that they probably prepared poorly if they found this particular MCAT (that he never took) different, is very arrogant. I think his comments on this thread show a different side since he's postponed his own test to several months down the line (likely due to bad prep).
Let's take a look at what I actually said, shall we?

Unsurprisingly, it only ever appears that the SDNer's most unsatisfied with their perceived prep are the harshest in judging the usefulness of materials without any sort of actual data to back up sweeping claims.
Do note my wording. Did I make a direct statement to anyone accusing them of "preparing poorly?" No. I made a very specific statement about my perception of the type of users that have been most vocal in asserting the alleged unreliability of the AAMC materials. In particular I specified those users that (again, I perceive) are most unsatisfied with the quality of their prep in terms of what they expected and faced on the exam. In addition, I considered the impressions I've gotten of various users based on their contributions to the forums, claimed performance on prep materials, and various other statements.

Again, I cannot reemphasize enough that whether I have taken the exam at all, or this administration in particular, is wholly irrelevant to my ability to read the comments of those who did take it, recognize that there is disagreement, and conclude that it is reasonable to argue (as I am) that were the exam so distinctly changed as to warrant a blanket statement about the AAMC FL's, there would not be disagreement among takers.

The remainder of your post is actually quite humorous. True, I did postpone my test several months down the line, and you are entitled to an opinion about how that decision may have changed my perspective. But to conclude as you did, with a completely unfounded assumption in assessment of my study habits, is as arrogant and judgmental as you perceive me to be.

As proof, I'm willing to wager you have literally nothing to present as support for the assumption that I postponed due to "bad prep." It is understandable that the offense you have taken to my participation in this discussion has clouded your judgment and caused you to jump to an illogical, unfounded conclusion, but that doesn't excuse it. I'm sorry to call you out like that, but it's quite obvious. Just to further demonstrate how ludicrous the claim is:

1) The only FL I've ever taken was over a year prior to my beginning prep.
2) I followed the well-respected and endorsed SN2ed study schedule to the letter.
3) My percentage scores on TBR passages were considered good or excellent by the standards set forth in the TBR scores discussion thread.
4) I outright stated in the 3/23 thread the actual reason for my postponement, which was a refusal to half-ass my prep, and a realization that such was inevitable with my available time slipping away more and more due to school work. If you wish to argue that I was lying, I wish you luck in coming up with support for that accusation.

Now, in consideration of the above, I find it laughable that you actually pretend to call me arrogant and judgmental when you passed a personal, totally unfounded judgment on me in the same sentence. Without taking any FL's in prep, and with satisfactory scores on passages and measured adherence to a study schedule which I had (and had every reason to have) confidence in, there is simply no way I could even conclude my prep was bad. Yet you presume to place that as my reason for postponement above what I actually told my peers in the 3/23 thread. Ridiculous.
 
I really appreciate your support, mcloaf, as well as all the 3/23'ers (Albein and others) and everyone else who has been here long enough to gain a legitimate impression of my participation in the forums.

I have given no advice regarding this matter (to avoid confusion, the matter being of the MCAT "changing" and the AAMC materials being useless). If you believe otherwise please quote me. Opinion? Well, I summarized the current state of disagreement between test takers, and used such as refutation of the unilateral claim put forth by one side, further citing logical and evidence-based failures on the part of their sweeping claim.

Further, I have already addressed the issue with the attitude that personal experience with something is requisite for someone to speak on the matter. Does a cardiologist need to experience a heart attack to describe to patients the common symptoms and inform them of how it might feel?

You may feel that analogy is weak, and it may be, but that's really irrelevant to the principle I'm trying to put forward.

Describe to me in detail how I'm judging these people. By reading users' comments, I am simply compiling a perspective on test takers' impressions of the test, and when I present this to those on the side of "the test is definitely different no question about it" it is apparent that their claim doesn't hold water. This has put many a user into a fit. See my previous post for a more clear explanation of the current events so far.

Well, I disagree with this outlook. Should someone informed on the effects and addictiveness of heroin be prevented from spreading information about it because they haven't struggled with it themselves? I see you like analogies as well.

Refreshing to have someone with a clear head here.

Let's take a look at what I actually said, shall we?


Do note my wording. Did I make a direct statement to anyone accusing them of "preparing poorly?" No. I made a very specific statement about my perception of the type of users that have been most vocal in asserting the alleged unreliability of the AAMC materials. In particular I specified those users that (again, I perceive) are most unsatisfied with the quality of their prep in terms of what they expected and faced on the exam. In addition, I considered the impressions I've gotten of various users based on their contributions to the forums, claimed performance on prep materials, and various other statements.

Again, I cannot reemphasize enough that whether I have taken the exam at all, or this administration in particular, is wholly irrelevant to my ability to read the comments of those who did take it, recognize that there is disagreement, and conclude that it is reasonable to argue (as I am) that were the exam so distinctly changed as to warrant a blanket statement about the AAMC FL's, there would not be disagreement among takers.

The remainder of your post is actually quite humorous. True, I did postpone my test several months down the line, and you are entitled to an opinion about how that decision may have changed my perspective. But to conclude as you did, with a completely unfounded assumption in assessment of my study habits, is as arrogant and judgmental as you perceive me to be.

As proof, I'm willing to wager you have literally nothing to present as support for the assumption that I postponed due to "bad prep." It is understandable that the offense you have taken to my participation in this discussion has clouded your judgment and caused you to jump to an illogical, unfounded conclusion, but that doesn't excuse it. I'm sorry to call you out like that, but it's quite obvious. Just to further demonstrate how ludicrous the claim is:

1) The only FL I've ever taken was over a year prior to my beginning prep.
2) I followed the well-respected and endorsed SN2ed study schedule to the letter.
3) My percentage scores on TBR passages were considered good or excellent by the standards set forth in the TBR scores discussion thread.
4) I outright stated in the 3/23 thread the actual reason for my postponement, which was a refusal to half-ass my prep, and a realization that such was inevitable with my available time slipping away more and more due to school work. If you wish to argue that I was lying, I wish you luck in coming up with support for that accusation.

Now, in consideration of the above, I find it laughable that you actually pretend to call me arrogant and judgmental when you passed a personal, totally unfounded judgment on me in the same sentence. Without taking any FL's in prep, and with satisfactory scores on passages and measured adherence to a study schedule which I had (and had every reason to have) confidence in, there is simply no way I could even conclude my prep was bad. Yet you presume to place that as my reason for postponement above what I actually told my peers in the 3/23 thread. Ridiculous.

Despite your very eloquent and supported response, life isn't a science lab and not everything is subjective. You will be treating people with personalities as a physician after all and perception is reality. You've obviously given off an impression of arrogance and "know it allness". Not the end of the world, this is just the Internet, but its something you should be aware IRL and try to avoid. Your patients and coworkers will thank you.
 
That wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I wouldn't question getheleadout's intelligence. Based on what I've seen, he appears to be very smart and I'm sure he will do great on his mcat and get into a wonderful school. The point I was trying to make was, when you're arrogant that's all people hear because that's a language everyone can understand. The lay person doesn't find mcat scores impressive, but arrogance... that can be sniffed out from a mile away and I think it's something we all should be reminded of. Medicine, like any venue of higher learning breeds prideful individuals and as people who want to be compassionate and caring we have to keep our pride in check and remember to stay humble.

A nurse of 30 years taught me a very important lesson when I first started working the ER. She said, "I've seen good healthcare providers get sued and I've seen bad health care providers get sued, but you know what? I've seen nice and polite health care providers get sued less."

I can appreciate this perspective, and your clarification here. However, I don't feel I am outwardly arrogant toward other users. Regardless, I don't feel I'm an arrogant person. I expect the best from myself, but I am anything but entitled. I have experienced rejection when compared with peers in an academic context on numerous occasions, and I fully expected such at the time. I don't feel like any medical school or teacher or boss owes me anything. I am well-liked by faculty and supervisors I have worked for and with for several years, and they will vouch for that when I apply. Do I expect what I say to be considered before criticized? Absolutely. I (at least try to) give everyone the same courtesy. I don't believe I've ever made a move in an argument by attacking my opponent's experience or subjective perceptions of truths. Such is not the manner to either support a position or convince an opponent.

The same defense goes for my capacity for compassion. I just don't believe you can judge that.
 
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I can appreciate this perspective, and your clarification here. However, I don't feel I am outwardly arrogant toward other users. Regardless, I don't feel I'm an arrogant person. I expect the best from myself, but I am anything but entitled. I have experienced rejection when compared with peers in an academic context on numerous occasions, and I fully expected such at the time. I don't feel like any medical school or teacher or boss owes me anything. I am well-liked by faculty and supervisors I have worked for and with for several years, and they will vouch for that when I apply. Do I expect what I say to be considered before criticized? Absolutely. I (at least try to) give everyone the same courtesy. I don't believe I've ever made a move in an argument by attacking my opponent's experience or subjective perceptions of truths. Such is not the manner to either support a position or convince an opponent.

The same defense goes for my capacity for compassion. I just don't believe you can judge that.

You seem to be defending yourself as if someone accused you of "entitlement" and not "arrogance". I don't think you've given off an impression of entitlement, just one of arrogance. I don't really know how much clearer to make my statements and perhaps I'm not doing a very good job at expressing myself. All I can say is that you seem to be struggling with the fact that this is not capable of being deduced to subjective analysis. People's emotions are high in the matter of mcat and getting into medical school in general. Everyone here is emotionally invested in their grades, mcat, and ec's. The whole of people's futures are on the line and when you are dealing with something like that you have to be aware of it. You come on and start questioning people's different experiences (which seem to be in agreement with many others of the same date of that experience) and you are going to get some backlash, especially when you yourself have yet to tread the waters of that experience. People do not like being told they are mistaken in their analysis of a situation when that analyzer has yet to walk a mile in their shoes. This is just something life teaches. I tell you this because I've been you. I've been the guy not considering how my statements might rub people wrongly despite my best intentions. You might think I'm being an *******, but I'm trying to help. This is the last I will comment on this. I sure everyone else is sick of my verbose posts.
 
Now, in consideration of the above, I find it laughable that you actually pretend to call me arrogant and judgmental when you passed a personal, totally unfounded judgment on me in the same sentence. Without taking any FL's in prep, and with satisfactory scores on passages and measured adherence to a study schedule which I had (and had every reason to have) confidence in, there is simply no way I could even conclude my prep was bad. Yet you presume to place that as my reason for postponement above what I actually told my peers in the 3/23 thread. Ridiculous.

Saying "I find it laughable that you actually pretend to call me arrogant and judgmental" is pretty arrogant. Just saying. I think the mod power got to you.
 
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