The problem with pharmacist relationships

[johnqadam]

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I recently heard through the grape vines that the profession of pharmacy is doomed to advancement! why you asked? because we're not a strong entity together! Look at all the pharmacy organizations outthere! what's up with that? is there one organization that you can say most pharmacist belongs to? no! Of course the Medical community has there AMA. I think we got jack squat. We must unit as pharmacists and we must have the proper representations in congress and stuff! The doctors do...do you know how many lawyers they employ...many many my friends!

We've been in the shadows of the doctors long enough....

revolt!

revolt!

REVOLT!

Sorry, I got a little excited!

 

[crossjb]

darn, i was hoping this was a post on dating among pharmacy students...

 

[Caverject]

Thats what I thought too!

 

[johnqadam]

no, no, I realize that APHA and other organization has lots of things to offer pharmacists, but WE as the pharmacy community do not act under one organization as the doctors do (ie the AMA) we're not recognized as such. that's all my comments are.

 

[johnqadam]

darn, i was hoping this was a post on dating among pharmacy students...

Yeah, I know, I have a knack for misleading and scandalous titles!

 

[crying moo]

No, it's about some guy Jack Squat and the Grape Vines. Sounds like a great band to me.

 

[ultracet]

darn, i was hoping this was a post on dating among pharmacy students...

hahaha me too


i guess we know where our minds are...

 

[ultracet]

Oh and back on topic...

i hate those stupid pharmacy organizations.

why bother joining them? its all stupid anyway...

i'll have a job when i get out if i'm a member or not!

 

[Caverject]

Oh and back on topic...

i hate those stupid pharmacy organizations.

why bother joining them? its all stupid anyway...

i'll have a job when i get out if i'm a member or not!

Are you Zell Miller in disguise?

The biggest reason why these organizations need you to join is $$$$. Without money, they can not effectivly lobby on our behalf. Certain issues are going to mean more to certain organizations. For example, the issue of compounding vs manufacturing is a huge issue with NCPA (deservingly so) and a big issue with APhA. So both organizations are going to lobby together. Another situation is the funding cuts of residencies from HHS. ASHP and APhA both spent a lot of money lobbying to keep the funding for pharmacy residencies. A third example would be all three organizations as well as a couple more minor organizations like ACCP getting together to make sure MTMS would become a reality for ALL pharmacists. There are many more issues out there, but I am naming the top 3 that come to my mind. Without money, our organizations would be meaningless. It doesn't really matter to them if you take an active role or not, but they surely appreciate your yearly donation.

 

[ultracet]

c-ject... you really must think you are just the best thing since sliced bread...


anyway...

the reason people dont join is because they see no benefits
in turn they see no benefits because they do not have enough money and members.

sound about right?


and btw... i like the topic better when i thought it was about relationships with pharmacists

 

[Requiem]

"Oh and back on topic...

i hate those stupid pharmacy organizations.

why bother joining them? its all stupid anyway...

i'll have a job when i get out if i'm a member or not!"


Close-minded thinking. It's pharmacist memberships that gets the professional advancement and improved working conditions that we all desire. This has been studied, and proven. People like you slow down the process. Congrats!!!!!

 

[ultracet]

People like you slow down the process. Congrats!!!!!

Thanks!!

i do what i can

 

[Caverject]

"Oh and back on topic...

i hate those stupid pharmacy organizations.

why bother joining them? its all stupid anyway...

i'll have a job when i get out if i'm a member or not!"


Close-minded thinking. It's pharmacist memberships that gets the professional advancement and improved working conditions that we all desire. This has been studied, and proven. People like you slow down the process. Congrats!!!!!

and it's up to people like us to change that attitude of people like that instead of belittling them. Congrats!!!!

 

[azynchica]

Don't you think that a majority of pharmacists/pharm students are like that though? They just want to finish school and make money without really influencing it in any way? That's the impression I got from many pre-pharms, so I don't know what it's like once I start school or once I graduate and start working... hmmm..... 😕

 

[Aznfarmerboi]

That and they are confused about the meaning of "doctor".

 

[vafcarrot]

Today in class we had a lecture about the importance of lobbying in order to get things that we wanted. In fact, our professor had just came back from Frankfort dealing with some stuff concerning certified techs dispensing meds ALONE in the pharmacy in rural areas in Kentucky. Hence, we had some lobbyists for pharmacy there today to say something about it. And they wouldn't have been there if someone (us) wasn't there to support them when they needed help and just plain masses (all the people in those stupid pharmacy organizations) to get their point across to the people who know little about pharmacy but are allowed to make laws concerning it.

 

[Caverject]

Today in class we had a lecture about the importance of lobbying in order to get things that we wanted. In fact, our professor had just came back from Frankfort dealing with some stuff concerning certified techs dispensing meds ALONE in the pharmacy in rural areas in Kentucky. Hence, we had some lobbyists for pharmacy there today to say something about it. And they wouldn't have been there if someone (us) wasn't there to support them when they needed help and just plain masses (all the people in those stupid pharmacy organizations) to get their point across to the people who know little about pharmacy but are allowed to make laws concerning it.

And you're lucky you go to a very pro-active school in terms of politics.

 

[bananaface]

You don't have to join a national organization to be heard. You can just as easily (and sometimes more effectively) work at the state level.

for bbmuffin - I hear they have nice socials at the meetings.... 😉

 

[bananaface]

I think you definitely have a better chance at being heard locally. Besides, most pharmacy rules are made at the state level anyway. And free flowing EtOH is always a bonus.

free etoh ---> hookups (bbmuffin's ears are perking up now, hm? thought so 😛)

 

[crying moo]

Don't you think that a majority of pharmacists/pharm students are like that though? They just want to finish school and make money without really influencing it in any way? That's the impression I got from many pre-pharms, so I don't know what it's like once I start school or once I graduate and start working... hmmm..... 😕

There are many pre-pharms that think pharmacy is just easy money and and doctor title. Those are the ones who will just bow down to "the man" and keep the profession back as long as they get paid their $99K. I hope pharmacy school admissions can weed out those more effectively... (perhaps requiring more than a measly 2 year undergrad for people to get their heads on straight) but who knows, with all these new pharm schools popping up. We need some quality control for admission criteria. Looks like a good issue to lobby for.

 

[ultracet]

free etoh ---> hookups (bbmuffin's ears are perking up now, hm? thought so 😛)

hook ups?? anyone say hook ups??

and etoh??

hell yes... i'm in


where do i sign?




hmmmm wonder how people on a message board know me so well??

 

[bananaface]

hook ups?? anyone say hook ups??

and etoh??

hell yes... i'm in


where do i sign?




hmmmm wonder how people on a message board know me so well??

hehe You just professed to be more interested in the social aspects of the thread, so I indulged you. Or, you perhaps you would be so kind as to say that I bridged the two conversations at hand. 😀

 

[Caverject]

wow...sounds like an inside joke here!

 

[johnqadam]

You don't have to join a national organization to be heard. You can just as easily (and sometimes more effectively) work at the state level.

for bbmuffin - I hear they have nice socials at the meetings.... 😉

YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT! (sorry)

I think that we need to remember....AND BE PROUD OF...the fact that we're PHARMACISTS and not DOCTORS. Doctors diagnose...we manage. This is the present and the future of medicine. We are not subordinates to doctors, we're equal, we work at different sections of the patient care continum.

We are STUDENT PHARMACIST and we need to differentiate ourself from the STUDENT DOCTORS. And we need to be pround of it. We serve a very critical nitch in the care for patients. We are NOT supplements to doctors and therefore we must get out of their shadows. We need to be our own entities (as a manner of speech).

If doctors have an organization like the AMA that gives them so much clought, we need to work towards an organization that will have as much clought as the AMA and as much recognition in the general public as the AMA.

<<sorry, this issue has bugged me for years>>

 

[ultracet]

i am differentiated quite well.... by the length of my lab coat!

 

[Caverject]

YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT! (sorry)

I think that we need to remember....AND BE PROUD OF...the fact that we're PHARMACISTS and not DOCTORS. Doctors diagnose...we manage. This is the present and the future of medicine. We are not subordinates to doctors, we're equal, we work at different sections of the patient care continum.

We are STUDENT PHARMACIST and we need to differentiate ourself from the STUDENT DOCTORS. And we need to be pround of it. We serve a very critical nitch in the care for patients. We are NOT supplements to doctors and therefore we must get out of their shadows. We need to be our own entities (as a manner of speech).

If doctors have an organization like the AMA that gives them so much clought, we need to work towards an organization that will have as much clought as the AMA and as much recognition in the general public as the AMA.

<<sorry, this issue has bugged me for years>>

We are pharmacists...hear us rawr!!!

 

[bananaface]

YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT! (sorry)

I think that we need to remember....AND BE PROUD OF...the fact that we're PHARMACISTS and not DOCTORS. Doctors diagnose...we manage. This is the present and the future of medicine. We are not subordinates to doctors, we're equal, we work at different sections of the patient care continum.

We are STUDENT PHARMACIST and we need to differentiate ourself from the STUDENT DOCTORS. And we need to be pround of it. We serve a very critical nitch in the care for patients. We are NOT supplements to doctors and therefore we must get out of their shadows. We need to be our own entities (as a manner of speech).

If doctors have an organization like the AMA that gives them so much clought, we need to work towards an organization that will have as much clought as the AMA and as much recognition in the general public as the AMA.

<<sorry, this issue has bugged me for years>>

We are are student pharmacists, not student physicians. Both groups are student doctors. That's the premise of this site, anyway. Physicians manage too, don't try and take that away from them or you will encounter significant backlash. What you have to do is advocate you are uniquely qualified to manage specific aspects of patient care. People will only recognize clout if you show them that you are valuble. Working together, rather than facing off, is the best way to do this. Yes, sometimes you have to take a stand against another profession. But, that should be an exception to the rule.

 

[ultracet]

YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT! (sorry)

I think that we need to remember....AND BE PROUD OF...the fact that we're PHARMACISTS and not DOCTORS. Doctors diagnose...we manage. This is the present and the future of medicine. We are not subordinates to doctors, we're equal, we work at different sections of the patient care continum.

We are STUDENT PHARMACIST and we need to differentiate ourself from the STUDENT DOCTORS. And we need to be pround of it. We serve a very critical nitch in the care for patients. We are NOT supplements to doctors and therefore we must get out of their shadows. We need to be our own entities (as a manner of speech).

If doctors have an organization like the AMA that gives them so much clought, we need to work towards an organization that will have as much clought as the AMA and as much recognition in the general public as the AMA.

<<sorry, this issue has bugged me for years>>

posts like this make me nausious....

no, we got the point the first time you expressed it. it is a very very very few people who post on here who are not proud to be pharmacists or student pharmacists.

as far as differentiating ourselves from student physicians...... i honestly don't know of anyone who makes that mistake......

oh and another point you made about not being supplemental to the physician... you have obviously never seen the health systems where everyone is supplemental and supportive to the nursing staff.

the funny thing is..... a lot of MDs i know can't stand the AMA.... and do not feel as if they do anything for them... its all about perception.


you're trying to get people riled up...... well guess what... its not working... you are simply making me hope that you are not out there preaching this to physicians, pissing them off and making relationships worse.

 

[Aznfarmerboi]

Couldnt have said it better than myself.

posts like this make me nausious....

no, we got the point the first time you expressed it. it is a very very very few people who post on here who are not proud to be pharmacists or student pharmacists.

as far as differentiating ourselves from student physicians...... i honestly don't know of anyone who makes that mistake......

oh and another point you made about not being supplemental to the physician... you have obviously never seen the health systems where everyone is supplemental and supportive to the nursing staff.

the funny thing is..... a lot of MDs i know can't stand the AMA.... and do not feel as if they do anything for them... its all about perception.


you're trying to get people riled up...... well guess what... its not working... you are simply making me hope that you are not out there preaching this to physicians, pissing them off and making relationships worse.

 

[ultracet]

ok... the real problem with pharmacist relationships...
too many 3rd parties involved....


yes i know
i stole that off a shirt... i just really thought it was appropriate in this thread...

lighten things back up a little bit

 

[Caverject]

Hmm. Is that bad?

cows are bad...now who's up for burgers?