THE *REAL* GHOSTBUSTERS WW Thread

[DVMDream]

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No. I agree. When sov explained it to me I felt the same way. But sov has also proven useful. And I argued to keep them alive as long as they are useful. The use outlived me, ironically.

I don't see how a silencing role is useful....

The other part of it.. maybe but only if we know someone was evil and then we would just lynch them instead of wasting two nights in a row to have SOV "attack" them....

 

[StartingoverVet]

DocE, nice try fishing for information from me...

And what the hell is a "goof" alignment???

You claim that you come back with a different role, have a "goof" alignment to me and then outright ask me for my role... HELL NO!

I am almost tempted to lynch you just for this.

Where is he fishing for info? I missed that.

And where is the "goof" alignment. I missed that.

My reading skills are deteriorating....

FYI: I would assume "goof"= "good" without seeing it in context.

 

[DVMDream]

Where is he fishing for info? I missed that.

And where is the "goof" alignment. I missed that.

My reading skills are deteriorating....

FYI: I would assume "goof"= "good" without seeing it in context.

PM... he is trying to get information from me and I am not having it...

 

[StartingoverVet]

I don't see how a silencing role is useful....

The other part of it.. maybe but only if we know someone was evil and then we would just lynch them instead of wasting two nights in a row to have SOV "attack" them....

This role can be very useful to:

1) steal a role from a seer after they have been outed.
2) To be a quasi investigation. When you aren't sure if a person is lying, you can steal their role to find out, and not lose the role.
3) Take an important role away from a bad player.

Also, the idea I have been trying is to silence as many different players once, so that when we know we need to take a role, I can go do that on the night when they might be killed.

Unfortunately that doesn't work so well when I am getting blocked constantly.

Hey, I don't like the silencing thing in games either, but I am not the one doing most of the silencing in this game.

 

[devyn]

Nutmeg has been to the end of one gamevethe lady doth protest too much. Can I double lynch devyn?

Oh I'm sorry... I forgot... DocE does not like when people have discussions with him... he just wants to be told he is right - even though that is the point to a WW game.....

Ok going back to ignoring you....

 

[kakurubird]

And what the hell is a "goof" alignment???

You claim that you come back with a different role, have a "goof" alignment to me and then outright ask me for my role... HELL NO!

a typo for "good"?

 

[StartingoverVet]

And finally.... being able to convert a wolf to a villager is a huge ability, it dramatically turns the numbers.

if there are 3 villagers and 2 wolves.... at end... wolves attack one, game over, but if you make one a normal villager, you get 2 villagers, and 1 wolf. Another chance.

This ability REALLY makes me think that wolves might not know they are wolves because converting wolves to villagers has always been something that is hard to design in these games. If they don't know, then it is easier.

The other possibility is wolves don't have abilities and I can't steal their role, but that is not the way the role reads.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Nutmeg has been to the end of one gamevethe lady doth protest too much. Can I double lynch devyn?

i was a villager against him at the end in the "trees" game with TT.

All I remember is I wanted to lynch TT and nutmeg got no one to agree with me, lynched someone else, and that was essentially the game.

I was so frustrated. Why would anyone listen to nutmeg at the end of the game?

 

[devyn]

This role can be very useful to:

1) steal a role from a seer after they have been outed.
2) To be a quasi investigation. When you aren't sure if a person is lying, you can steal their role to find out, and not lose the role.
3) Take an important role away from a bad player.

Also, the idea I have been trying is to silence as many different players once, so that when we know we need to take a role, I can go do that on the night when they might be killed.

Unfortunately that doesn't work so well when I am getting blocked constantly.

Hey, I don't like the silencing thing in games either, but I am not the one doing most of the silencing in this game.

Sorry but you are a vampire ghost..... you are lynching a good ghost... nothing about your role sounds good

your role is to silence and steal roles..... my role is investigative (seer like) - I can find out what your role is - hence I know you silence....

and yet you and doce are pushing to lynch me.... doesn't really make sense.... not sitting well with me... your role alone from wiki sounds evil....

I see you trying to spin your role as a good one.... that is all.... and it does not seem like a good idea for you to be able to take a bad guys role - wouldn't that just give you the ability to be more evil???

so yeah


lynch SOV

 

[kaydubs]

Lynch tally:
Devyn - 2 - DocE, SOV

LYNCH, PEOPLE! After 3pm EDT, I'm gone til tonight. No chance of closing early.

Deadline - 9pmEDT

Nutmeg has been to the end of one gamevethe lady doth protest too much. Can I double lynch devyn?

Negatory. But we appreciate your enthusiasm.

3) I was silenced yesterday I think because I was stuffed in a muon trap (the message was unclear).

Unclear messages? Whaddaya talking about, bub? I have no influence on who lets you talk or not! (Oh, wait, I'm just the messenger 😛)

 

[DVMDream]

This role can be very useful to:

1) steal a role from a seer after they have been outed.
2) To be a quasi investigation. When you aren't sure if a person is lying, you can steal their role to find out, and not lose the role.
3) Take an important role away from a bad player.

Also, the idea I have been trying is to silence as many different players once, so that when we know we need to take a role, I can go do that on the night when they might be killed.

Unfortunately that doesn't work so well when I am getting blocked constantly.

Hey, I don't like the silencing thing in games either, but I am not the one doing most of the silencing in this game.

1) Provided you can get the role before the seer is killed.
2) You can only do this twice and it takes you a while to even get the role...
3) So you take an important role from a bad player... why don't we just lynch them instead of wasting 2 nights for you to take their role and still what good does that do? You now have their role... so we would then lynch you... so no matter what we are still having to lynch someone... so this point is null and void.

 

[StartingoverVet]

your role is to silence and steal roles..... my role is investigative (seer like) - I can find out what your role is - hence I know you silence....

Wow... I am impressed with your "seering" abilities when I posted my entire freaking role on the thread.

And disclosed it before that to a wolf (WTF).

Real convincing.

 

[devyn]

This role can be very useful to:

1) steal a role from a seer after they have been outed.
2) To be a quasi investigation. When you aren't sure if a person is lying, you can steal their role to find out, and not lose the role.
3) Take an important role away from a bad player.

Also, the idea I have been trying is to silence as many different players once, so that when we know we need to take a role, I can go do that on the night when they might be killed.

Unfortunately that doesn't work so well when I am getting blocked constantly.

Hey, I don't like the silencing thing in games either, but I am not the one doing most of the silencing in this game.

Sorry but you are a vampire ghost..... you are lynching a good ghost... nothing about your role sounds good... on top of that - you are saying that you don't think there are any good ghosts - but then you would be screwing yourself over with that statement since you are one

your role is to silence and steal roles..... my role is investigative (seer like) - I can find out what your role is - hence I know you silence....

and yet you and doce are pushing to lynch me.... doesn't really make sense.... not sitting well with me... your role alone from wiki sounds evil....

I see you trying to spin your role as a good one.... that is all.... and it does not seem like a good idea for you to be able to take a bad guys role - wouldn't that just give you the ability to be more evil???

so yeah


lynch SOV

 

[StartingoverVet]

e...
3) So you take an important role from a bad player... why don't we just lynch them instead of wasting 2 nights for you to take their role and still what good does that do? You now have their role... so we would then lynch you... so no matter what we are still having to lynch someone... so this point is null and void.

I didn't mean bad=evil, I mean bad as in a noob, or someone annoying (not naming names) etc.

 

[DVMDream]

And finally.... being able to convert a wolf to a villager is a huge ability, it dramatically turns the numbers.

if there are 3 villagers and 2 wolves.... at end... wolves attack one, game over, but if you make one a normal villager, you get 2 villagers, and 1 wolf. Another chance.

This ability REALLY makes me think that wolves might not know they are wolves because converting wolves to villagers has always been something that is hard to design in these games. If they don't know, then it is easier.

The other possibility is wolves don't have abilities and I can't steal their role, but that is not the way the role reads.

Only problem is.... it takes you TWO NIGHTS to do this.. so no it does not help and you then gain the bad player's abilities and we STILL have to lynch that player.... the lynch of that player would STILL have to occur because you have only moved the role....

 

[devyn]

Wow... I am impressed with your "seering" abilities when I posted my entire freaking role on the thread.

And disclosed it before that to a wolf (WTF).

Real convincing.

Damn it already went through - feckin SDN and there slow stupid errors

anyhow - I added this when it wouldn't work

on top of that - you are saying that you don't think there are any good ghosts - but then you would be screwing yourself over with that statement since you are one

kind of an important point

also - to that note.....

I saw that WS could "kill" and that was not posted anywhere.... so I do have abilities.. I have more too - but not going to post them if I don't have to

 

[kaydubs]

Players: note an additional note to the write-up (minor for two groups - Manhattan & Brooklyn!)

Lynch tally:
devyn - 2- DocE, SOV, DocE
SOV -1 - devyn

 

[DocEspana]

Goof. Is one keystroke from good. Its a typo.

 

[DVMDream]

I didn't mean bad=evil, I mean bad as in a noob, or someone annoying (not naming names) etc.

You meant bad as in evil... as proven by your post about how your role can help at the end game... which is really just an attempt to make your role look super useful when it really isn't.

 

[StartingoverVet]

1) Provided you can get the role before the seer is killed.
2) You can only do this twice and it takes you a while to even get the role...
3) So you take an important role from a bad player... why don't we just lynch them instead of wasting 2 nights for you to take their role and still what good does that do? You now have their role... so we would then lynch you... so no matter what we are still having to lynch someone... so this point is null and void.

on #1... I assume if a seer is outed (as theoretically Devyn is).... I should be able to get their role the night the wolves are killing them.. It should be obvious to all that the seer is a seer.

on #2. true, but that doesn't mean it isn't useful. Especially later in a game this will be more relevant, not to mention , if there are conversions, then we can get a role back from a converted player..

Anyway, I can think up lots of scenarios (and seen others )where it will be useful. (I had this role in a DocE game last year)

 

[StartingoverVet]

You meant bad as in evil... as proven by your post about how your role can help at the end game... which is really just an attempt to make your role look super useful when it really isn't.

No DVMDream, I know what I meant.

Those are 2 separate points. And I believe them both.
1) can remove a role from a bad player.
2) can remove a role from an evil player/wolf.

And just because you don't think it is useful... well... that is your loss. I guess you haven't had the role before.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Damn it already went through - feckin SDN and there slow stupid errors

anyhow - I added this when it wouldn't work

on top of that - you are saying that you don't think there are any good ghosts - but then you would be screwing yourself over with that statement since you are one

kind of an important point

also - to that note.....

I saw that WS could "kill" and that was not posted anywhere.... so I do have abilities.. I have more too - but not going to post them if I don't have to

I am not a ghost.

I am vampire that kills ghosts.

If I were a ghost, I would have been killed by the ghost trap someone laid on me. Someone out there knows of what I speak.

 

[StartingoverVet]

unlynch devyn, lynch FH.

I think FH is a ghost too. And I am willing to give devyn the benefit of the doubt for now

 

[DVMDream]

DocE... you can quit it with the threats... you are not the boss of this game or me and I do not appreciate being threatened...

I do NOT have to role reveal to you and your pushing this hard especially after the information I gave you in PM before you died is really making me question whether you are good or not....

If you want to have me seered.. go for it... I don't care.. but I do NOT have to give into your demands... You can quit PMing me now because you are NOT getting anything from me...

I have already been attacked once and blocked once in this game. I would like to keep the rest of my abilities on the quiet side if at all possible and therefore I am not going to tell someone that I do NOT trust my role... you can go stomp off and have your temper tantrum now because you didn't get your way..

 

[cuitlamiztli]

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Oh, well. At least I went out with a bang
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[kaydubs]

Lynch tally:
devyn - 1- DocE, DocE
SOV -1 - devyn[/QUOTE]
Foxhunter - 1 - SOV

To my darling other players: Don't be afraid to lynch someone! Just ignore the DVMD-Devyn-SOV-DocE parade. I am.

 

[nyanko]

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Oh, well. At least I went out with a bang
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so did ur mom

 

[DVMDream]

No DVMDream, I know what I meant.

Those are 2 separate points. And I believe them both.
1) can remove a role from a bad player.
2) can remove a role from an evil player/wolf.

And just because you don't think it is useful... well... that is your loss. I guess you haven't had the role before.

Explain to me how this is useful? Please... all you have said is that you can remove the role from the evil player/wolf onto you... please explain how this is of use to us? We still have to lynch someone except that someone will be you... I don't see how that is useful

 

[nyanko]

I didn't mean bad=evil, I mean bad as in a noob, or someone annoying (not naming names) etc.

if we lynched annoying people well....

 

[nyanko]

lynch Varz

 

[StartingoverVet]

Explain to me how this is useful? Please... all you have said is that you can remove the role from the evil player/wolf onto you... please explain how this is of use to us? We still have to lynch someone except that someone will be you... I don't see how that is useful

I steal their role...not their affiliation. If their role is investigation, I can investigate, but if they were a wolf investigator I don't become a wolf investigator, I am still a villager.

But in my role it does say that after stealing the role, the person " become a minor citizen of NY (villager)".. .so that is to our advantage.

If you don't get it, then fine... I am done trying to explain.

 

[DVMDream]

I am not a ghost.

I am vampire that kills ghosts.

If I were a ghost, I would have been killed by the ghost trap someone laid on me. Someone out there knows of what I speak.

Are you talking about the muon trap?

And according to everything I have read on Count Von Blukenporken.. he is a ghost... and according to ghostbusters classification he is a class 7 ghost..... he was a vampire that became a ghost and fed on other ghosts (and this is how he was portrayed in the show)... so, yes, you are a ghost...

 

[Varz]

lynch Varz

Any specific reason you are concerned about me?

I haven't gotten any new info since night 4, so I have nothing else to go on. Based on SOV's discussion in the past thread, I doubt he was a wolf / ghost to begin with. If he was converted in the last couple nights, who knows, but most of his theories and discussions have been focused on finding those ghosts be it subtle or super direct and threatening.

I don't know about the requests that were made in PMs, but I can see how a vampire type role would be useful to a villager, especially if they were able to block / silence wolves if their role wasn't able to be stolen.

So for now, Lynch Nyanko simply because I am being a little child who is lashing out at the person who voted to lynch me 😛 Seriously though, if anything concrete at all comes up or better speculation, I'll change my vote.

 

[Varz]

I steal their role...not their affiliation. If their role is investigation, I can investigate, but if they were a wolf investigator I don't become a wolf investigator, I am still a villager.

But in my role it does say that after stealing the role, the person " become a minor citizen of NY (villager)".. .so that is to our advantage.

If you don't get it, then fine... I am done trying to explain.

One question SOV, when you say they become a minor citizen of NY (villager), does that mean a wolf turns into a villager? I thought that game mechanic wouldn't work in a normal WW game. If that IS in fact a mechanic in this game, that concerns me quite a bit and makes me question how the wolves interact with each other (if at all)

 

[swingnsave]

####lynch devyn####

 

[devyn]

####lynch devyn####

odd

7/784 posts are swings.....

a few lynch votes with no explanation, other than that a few word posts.....

might I cry wolf here......

thinking of changing my vote to you....

although I do think SOV is a wolf as well....


hmmmmm

 

[DVMDream]

I steal their role...not their affiliation. If their role is investigation, I can investigate, but if they were a wolf investigator I don't become a wolf investigator, I am still a villager.

But in my role it does say that after stealing the role, the person " become a minor citizen of NY (villager)".. .so that is to our advantage.

If you don't get it, then fine... I am done trying to explain.

This makes no sense from any point of game mechanic...

A villager has a role that can steal other roles... they steal a wolf role and turn the wolf into a normal citizen... you now have that wolf's role.. which usually involves killing and therefore you have become a wolf (not a villager that can kill).. I don't see any real way around this...

But if does make sense if you are a wolf... you can then steal villager roles and it does not matter.. they just become a lesser villager and you get more powers as a wolf.. which fits in with the wiki description of Count Von Blukenporken getting more powerful when he feeds on ghosts (or in the context of this game, whichever player whose role you decide to steal)...

I don't believe the whole.. I steal their role not their affiliation.

 

[devyn]

This makes no sense from any point of game mechanic...

A villager has a role that can steal other roles... they steal a wolf role and turn the wolf into a normal citizen... you now have that wolf's role.. which usually involves killing and therefore you have become a wolf (not a villager that can kill).. I don't see any real way around this...

But if does make sense if you are a wolf... you can then steal villager roles and it does not matter.. they just become a lesser villager and you get more powers as a wolf.. which fits in with the wiki description of Count Von Blukenporken getting more powerful when he feeds on ghosts (or in the context of this game, whichever player whose role you decide to steal)...

I don't believe the whole.. I steal their role not their affiliation.

yeah actually gonna have to agree with DVM for once here.... oh that is odd....

you role sounds nothing but wolfy..... there would be no reason for a villager to have that role... none.....

and turning a wolf into a villager would not make sense.... why not just lynch them? 😕

 

[DVMDream]

One question SOV, when you say they become a minor citizen of NY (villager), does that mean a wolf turns into a villager? I thought that game mechanic wouldn't work in a normal WW game. If that IS in fact a mechanic in this game, that concerns me quite a bit and makes me question how the wolves interact with each other (if at all)

And you just flew up on my suspicious list here...

 

[allieh8607]

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Bummer. I had a feeling after I created that tie, I would have a target on my back. Ah well, lesson learned. At least I found my trusty particle thrower and used it in regards to my suspicion, and I was right.

This was so fun! now hurry up and finish so we can start the next game 😀

And Happy Easter too 🙂

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[thedrjojo]

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[DocEspana]

So let's review DVM and Is interactions.

9PMs from DVM. (We chatted a bit when I was mayor). In these pms this is what you've done.

Attacked a ghostbuster (oops). Argued that you still don't trust said ghostbuster.

Stated you were suspicious of another ghost buster and a person I personally cleared. When I told you that you said you were still suspicious of both of them anyway and told your borough mate to be suspicious of them.

Admitted you began talking to a third ghostbuster two rounds before they died (takes two rounds to kill a buster).

On three occasions refused to reveal your role both now (which I could buy if not for...) and when I was the largely trusted mayor moving information to those who needed it across boroughs.

And spent almost every pm saying you don't trust sov. Hell. I don't trust sov. But no one can say that they aren't being a very useful wolf for the villagers if they are one.

The fact of the matter is the first bunch of kills were all my confidants. Everyone I trusted died in order. Since o wasn't the wolf, I had a leak. You're the one who actually got the most identities through straight admissions or implications. I asked you to role tell because frankly I have zero reason to trust you from all I've seen, but I did work with you at the start and am really hoping it wasn't s mistake.

 

[Varz]

And you just flew up on my suspicious list here...

Because I posed a question that was worth thinking about? This game has thrown a number of curve balls at us already, why not ask more questions. If everyone thinks SOV is a wolf, and he gets lynched, so be it. It will be he is either a wolf, or not. If he is a wolf, all your suspicions are correct. If not, then the game mechanic he mentioned is worth considering.

 

[DocEspana]

And it be said, cause I told sov this straight up. The mechanic, if used on wolves, makes no sense to me. But I have people blowing up my suspicion list and the more sov plays the more he slowly slides down it despite the role.

 

[Filly Bay]

Wow, so many accusations and I'm not seeing any solid info about who's a wolf 🙁

I don't have any new information to offer and I'm not sure who's suspicions to trust yet so I'm going to wait a little longer for my lynch vote to see what else pops up.

 

[StartingoverVet]

One question SOV, when you say they become a minor citizen of NY (villager), does that mean a wolf turns into a villager? I thought that game mechanic wouldn't work in a normal WW game. If that IS in fact a mechanic in this game, that concerns me quite a bit and makes me question how the wolves interact with each other (if at all)

This makes no sense from any point of game mechanic...

A villager has a role that can steal other roles... they steal a wolf role and turn the wolf into a normal citizen... you now have that wolf's role.. which usually involves killing and therefore you have become a wolf (not a villager that can kill).. I don't see any real way around this...

But if does make sense if you are a wolf... you can then steal villager roles and it does not matter.. they just become a lesser villager and you get more powers as a wolf.. which fits in with the wiki description of Count Von Blukenporken getting more powerful when he feeds on ghosts (or in the context of this game, whichever player whose role you decide to steal)...

I don't believe the whole.. I steal their role not their affiliation.

I addressed this before so I will again.

1) Why role stealing has anything to do with affiliation? I have never seen that happen before (although I guess it might have). Usually you just get the role abilities.
AND YOU SUPPOSEDLY HAVE MY ROLE DESCRIPTION DVMD... Where does it say anything about affiliation.

2) As for becoming a minor citizen of NY... That is straight from the role description (which both Devyn and DVMD claim to have). I don't understand how that works, and I said, the only way it makes sense is if wolves don't know who the other wolves are.
Maybe I can't convert wolves into villagers, but that is what the role description says. Mods have been known to forget about possibilities in the past, but more likely we just don't understand how things work.

 

[DocEspana]

know what... there was one PM that i overlooked. the last one.

hmmm. I still have no friggen clue about DVM, but it is hard to argue with the results of that last PM.

DVM, my apologies, but you are playing off your rocker. I forgot who sent me that last PM that you sent when I was alive.

 

[DVMDream]

So let's review DVM and Is interactions.

9PMs from DVM. (We chatted a bit when I was mayor). In these pms this is what you've done.

Attacked a ghostbuster (oops). Argued that you still don't trust said ghostbuster.

Stated you were suspicious of another ghost buster and a person I personally cleared. When I told you that you said you were still suspicious of both of them anyway and told your borough mate to be suspicious of them.

Admitted you began talking to a third ghostbuster two rounds before they died (takes two rounds to kill a buster).

On three occasions refused to reveal your role both now (which I could buy if not for...) and when I was the largely trusted mayor moving information to those who needed it across boroughs.

And spent almost every pm saying you don't trust sov. Hell. I don't trust sov. But no one can say that they aren't being a very useful wolf for the villagers if they are one.

The fact of the matter is the first bunch of kills were all my confidants. Everyone I trusted died in order. Since o wasn't the wolf, I had a leak. You're the one who actually got the most identities through straight admissions or implications. I asked you to role tell because frankly I have zero reason to trust you from all I've seen, but I did work with you at the start and am really hoping it wasn't s mistake.

I told you on Night 1.. when YOU PMed me... that I was suspicious of rojo and WS... you said nothing back to me.... You later told me that you have reason to trust rojo (which was NOT that you had cleared him only that you trust what he is telling you)... so I left it alone... I never once mentioned it again...

Then you joined my group and asked for more information.. I told you this:

My group has been quiet (which is true), I then explained that I told two people my suspicions of rojo and WS.... which were you and Alors... I also mentioned to Alors that you were digging for information right off the bat which always makes me suspicious and left it at that... nothing else.

I never, ever went after any of the GB's with the knowledge that they were GB's that is a FLAT OUT LIE.. and I never ever told you any other suspicious besides those.. so you are definitely painting lies here...

I also gave you vital information of what I can do with my role right before you died... I owe nothing to you.

I never once mentioned in our communication that I was suspicious of SOV as that did not occur until Night 4 (IIRC) when I had the PKE Meter and investigated him...

So yes, you are full of lies.

 

[DocEspana]

wait. DVM claimed to be a minor citizen? That.... doesn't make sense. Perhaps she was just keeping you in the dark of her actual role.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Finally, Devyn claims to know who can "kill", never explained how... Then as soon as I said my role, why didn't she check that, because she would know, I can't kill.

And DVMD and Devyn, if you have my role description you would see it is not a ghost, regardless of the show specifics. hell, in the show I suck up ectoplasm and get turned into a human, so not sure how that really applies. You HAVE THE ROLE DESCRIPTION... you know as much as me.


The more I think , the less I trust devyn. She claims to be a seer, has no other results except telling us about WS and my role which everyone knew (the wolves before everyone else).

Unlynch FH, Lynch Devyn..