The truth about malpractice?

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

kevinm

Full Member
10+ Year Member
15+ Year Member
Joined
Apr 16, 2008
Messages
48
Reaction score
1
Points
4,531
  1. Pre-Medical
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
I have spent the last few weeks very seriously contemplating my aspirations to become a doctor and the motivations behind them. I'm still not really sure whether this is what I want in life, but it seems like a dynamic field with good job security, etc. I really need to shadow a couple doctors to be sure that this is what I want....

Anyway, I have a question... everyone I talk to about become a doctor is like "don't do it... malpractice will get you, the lawyers will get you...you'll be paying $80k a year in malpractice insurance and even then you're not safe..."

What's the truth about malpractice/lawyers/etc.? Are they as bad as people make them out to be?

Thanks for any insight!
 
I have spent the last few weeks very seriously contemplating my aspirations to become a doctor and the motivations behind them. I'm still not really sure whether this is what I want in life, but it seems like a dynamic field with good job security, etc. I really need to shadow a couple doctors to be sure that this is what I want....

Anyway, I have a question... everyone I talk to about become a doctor is like "don't do it... malpractice will get you, the lawyers will get you...you'll be paying $80k a year in malpractice insurance and even then you're not safe..."

What's the truth about malpractice/lawyers/etc.? Are they as bad as people make them out to be?

Thanks for any insight!

this is an opinion:

generally its over exaggerated. That being said docs still pay out too much for the coverage and most of the lawsuits are BS. Docs still tend to be in the top 2% of the population as far as income is concerned. You will live comfortably. The only poor doctors are residents. 80K is a bit excessive.
 
80K is a bit excessive.

Depends on the field. I know that neurosurgeons typically pay more than 2x that for malpractice insurance.

OB is getting wiped out by malpractice suits and people's inability to accept that nature doesn't always give them a perfect baby.

Malpractice suits also place a considerable emotional drain upon a physician. I don't know that malpractice suits are enough of a reason to not pursue medicine by themselves, but they certainly don't help matters.
 
Depends on the field. I know that neurosurgeons typically pay more than 2x that for malpractice insurance.

OB is getting wiped out by malpractice suits and people's inability to accept that nature doesn't always give them a perfect baby.

Malpractice suits also place a considerable emotional drain upon a physician. I don't know that malpractice suits are enough of a reason to not pursue medicine by themselves, but they certainly don't help matters.

I agree that 80k can be a real figure, but its by no means an average. it's higher end. Yes, the emotional drain can be hard for some, just come in realizing someone is going to get pissed and sue you, and you have insurance for that. Thats my advice. worth less than .02
 
malpractice may or may not be an issue, its all individual
 
malpractice insurance is frustrating but being a doctor is definitely worth it.
 
One thing I've always been curious about (and I should probably know the answer to this) is if doctors who work in a hospital are covered by their hospital's malpractice insurance or if they have to pay for their own.
 
Advertisement - Members don't see this ad
One thing I've always been curious about (and I should probably know the answer to this) is if doctors who work in a hospital are covered by their hospital's malpractice insurance or if they have to pay for their own.

I don't know if they all are, but do know that the insurance is covered in at least some of their benefit packages. It makes sense that it would be to the hospital's advantage to make sure they were covered in order to better protect their own interests.
 
My understanding is that the independent practice model is decreasing to some extent and with that there are good and bad things. You no longer have to deal with business end things like malpractice and hiring and firing, but at the same time you don't get control over business like things so you don't have complete control over advertising and how the office interacts with the patients (does pfizer put flyers in your waiting room and whatnot)
 
One thing I've always been curious about (and I should probably know the answer to this) is if doctors who work in a hospital are covered by their hospital's malpractice insurance or if they have to pay for their own.

There isn't one model for this. Generally, if the hospital is your employer, they cover you. If a group is your employer, the group pays. If you are moonlighting in a hospital, but your job or residency is elsewhere, sometimes you have to self cover.

Medical malpractice affects your bottom line income, no question. And every physician can expect to be sued at least once in their career. In some fields (OB, surgery) you can expect to be sued more often than that. And in most of these cases, some mistake will have been made. You absolutely will make mistakes. Some of them more costly than others. Nobody is perfect and when you take care of hundreds to thousands of people a year, you will miss something in a diagnosis, you will cut something important during a surgery, you will administer a treatment that makes somebody worse off, and in retrospect you should have known it. It happens. Which is why doctors have so much coverage. The bigger the damage you can do, and the more likely, the more you want to be insured. Most look at it as a cost of doing business. In fact many other fields carry malpractice insurance -- this isn't just a doctor issue. eg lawyers do, sometimes at much higher levels of coverage than doctors, depending on the deal sizes they deal with. I've worked on deals where the firm upped their per lawyer insurance to far higher amounts than any doctor would ever carry, because if a million or billion dollar deal gets screwed up somebody has to pay. That too was just a cost of being in this lucrative business.

A relatively recent study from Harvard med suggested that the percentage of lawsuits that are frivolous is really not that great. Thus medmal insurance is serving a valid purpose of covering folks when errors actually are made. It is an unfortunate consequence of a society which doesn't really understand medicine or science and thinks doctors are infallable and as brilliant as the characters on their favorite doctor TV show. The expectations are high. But the opportunities to screw up somewhere are higher.

As for OB being "wiped out", this was a concern in a couple of regions, but hasn't really been shown to be the case. To some extent it was overblown by the media. Lots of people go to where the money is, and so when OB gets less lucrative because of medmal costs, logically folks with advanced degrees who can earn more elsewhere tend to do so, so you were seeing some folks in some regions trying to focus on the GYN aspects or switching to other areas of medicine. And a lot of people who had no intention of switching, but did a good job of whining to the press about how they were being sued into oblivion. In fact OB is not close to going out of business, is a very strong program at a lot of med schools, and you are seeing more and more encroachment by family medicine which is also a field that sometimes delivers babies (and without the specific OB expertise probably requires even higher medmal coverage to do so)..
 
There isn't one model for this. Generally, if the hospital is your employer, they cover you. If a group is your employer, the group pays. If you are moonlighting in a hospital, but your job or residency is elsewhere, sometimes you have to self cover.

Medical malpractice affects your bottom line income, no question. And every physician can expect to be sued at least once in their career. In some fields (OB, surgery) you can expect to be sued more often than that. And in most of these cases, some mistake will have been made. You absolutely will make mistakes. Some of them more costly than others. Nobody is perfect and when you take care of hundreds to thousands of people a year, you will miss something in a diagnosis, you will cut something important during a surgery, you will administer a treatment that makes somebody worse off, and in retrospect you should have known it. It happens. Which is why doctors have so much coverage. The bigger the damage you can do, and the more likely, the more you want to be insured. Most look at it as a cost of doing business. In fact many other fields carry malpractice insurance -- this isn't just a doctor issue. eg lawyers do, sometimes at much higher levels of coverage than doctors, depending on the deal sizes they deal with. I've worked on deals where the firm upped their per lawyer insurance to far higher amounts than any doctor would ever carry, because if a million or billion dollar deal gets screwed up somebody has to pay. That too was just a cost of being in this lucrative business.

A relatively recent study from Harvard med suggested that the percentage of lawsuits that are frivolous is really not that great. Thus medmal insurance is serving a valid purpose of covering folks when errors actually are made. It is an unfortunate consequence of a society which doesn't really understand medicine or science and thinks doctors are infallable and as brilliant as the characters on their favorite doctor TV show. The expectations are high. But the opportunities to screw up somewhere are higher.

As for OB being "wiped out", this was a concern in a couple of regions, but hasn't really been shown to be the case. To some extent it was overblown by the media. Lots of people go to where the money is, and so when OB gets less lucrative because of medmal costs, logically folks with advanced degrees who can earn more elsewhere tend to do so, so you were seeing some folks in some regions trying to focus on the GYN aspects or switching to other areas of medicine. And a lot of people who had no intention of switching, but did a good job of whining to the press about how they were being sued into oblivion. In fact OB is not close to going out of business, is a very strong program at a lot of med schools, and you are seeing more and more encroachment by family medicine which is also a field that sometimes delivers babies (and without the specific OB expertise probably requires even higher medmal coverage to do so)..

Great post 👍 I was hoping you 'd come in here.
 
As premeds, we all have to consider both the positives and the negatives of our desired profession. Malpractice suits are one the cons about being a doctor. Every doctor will make a mistake at least once in their career. Period. However, 98% of patients that have had a doctor make a mistake on them don't sue. It's the 2% we all will someday face. Most cases are indeed frivolous, but some are worthy.

The frequency of malpractice suits is also dependent of specialty. 70% of OB docs should expect to get sued about every 6 years. Family medicine is less, and dermatology is probably in the lower end of the spectrum. The amount of insurance you pay also depends on your specialty. I image OB's pay a lot more for insurance than say a radiologist. Although these factors should not be a cornerstone of your decision to pursue a particular specialty, they still deserve some thought nonetheless.
 
I'm too lazy to google it right now, but I once went to a website where you entered the region of the country where you wanted to practice (very specific-down to city) and what specialty and it told you the estimated cost of mal practice. I don't know how accurate it is, but it could give you an idea OP.
 
Top Bottom