The Under M1 Club: Come on in! part 01

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I think that if you get regular cold sores it's a version of the herpes simplex?

if it doesn't go away by thursday then you can ask mrs. agent for a quick touch up 😉...nothing wrong with a man wearing makeup-lots of men do it!
 
Agent, I've heard that cold sores are a form of herpes, but I've also heard that Vitamin C helps. I haven't gotten one in years, but I would also double up on the OJ or Vitamin C's.

Ljoo- So have you been a bookworm, since you're so bored? It sounds like you have this forced time-off, like a sentence. Maybe it'll just help you to enjoy your studies more once school starts.

Oh yeah, Wash U...not a great social scene. You must be quite the intelligent one angelic. Wash U is insanely difficult to get in, my going here doesn't really give me an edge... AT ALL.
 
Originally posted by LJoo83


if it doesn't go away by thursday then you can ask mrs. agent for a quick touch up 😉...nothing wrong with a man wearing makeup-lots of men do it!

hehe.. whats funny about that is Ive done that before 😉
 
Okay, people, I am strapped for time, so unfortunately, I cannot answer everyone's post. Here's what's been happening with me:

- I found a CPR class and I will go get my certification this Friday
- I started my first training session at HOAG
- I took my first quiz in Psych of Personality on Thursday
- I have a test in History coming up on Wednesday that I didn't have any time to study for yet
- I have not finished my group project yet because I couldn't contact my partner, but I know that he's at least doing his part; my project is due in today when I get to class
- I will finally be able to sign up for classes on Thursday this week...I have a bad feeling about not getting the ones I want

When I went to HOAG to start my training, it seems that the new volunteers would be educated by UCLA medical students. I know that an MD/PhD candidate came in to teach us about the circulatory system, the hear, and also how to get a case history and do a physical on patients. I think that getting the history will be fun when I'm a doctor 😀 Basically it's "20 questions" to try and figure out the diagnosis of the disease, and this reveals much more to the physician than doing a physical would.

Remember way back when I kept complaining like a little kid about not getting clinical experience. Well, it's a funny thing that when my wish has been granted, I'm starting to feel intimidated...the Clinical Care Extendership program seems to have quite a bit of responsibility toward the volunteers...I mean, I would pretty much be by myself when I come in to work my volunteer shifts, and I am unsure as to whether I am up to it yet. On the plus side, I guess I will be able to meet the nurses and help them out...bathing patients that is 😛

It seems to be pretty cool, I mean the volunteers become somewhat like nurse's aides when they work in the nursing floors, act as scrub techs when working on the surgical floors, and well, their responsibilities depend on their rotations. I'm hoping to get into the ER rotation after doing my first one (the first rotation is Medical Pulmonary, Oncology, or Gynecology/Urology, and it is mandatory to choose from these three nursing floors).

I better go and finish up my project now 🙁
 
Originally posted by Biodude



It seems to be pretty cool, I mean the volunteers become somewhat like nurse's aides when they work in the nursing floors, act as scrub techs when working on the surgical floors, and well, their responsibilities depend on their rotations. I'm hoping to get into the ER rotation after doing my first one (the first rotation is Medical Pulmonary, Oncology, or Gynecology/Urology, and it is mandatory to choose from these three nursing floors).

I better go and finish up my project now 🙁

So you get to choose between Medical Pulmonary, Oncology, or Gynecology/Urology? What is your first choice? If I were you, I would take Oncology b/c I am interested in working with cancer/trauma patients. I am also considering diseases of the eye. As a scrub tech do you get to enter the operating room? When does the fall semester start for you?
 
Originally posted by Biodude
On the plus side, I guess I will be able to meet the nurses and help them out...bathing patients that is 😛

🙁

Oh can i clean the dressing on a bed sore too. I hear they are nice and ***** (sp?) I meant to say phonetially (Puh-See) 😉

edit>> Did that sound insensitive? I suppose those ppl need care too.
 
Had my Chem 2 final tonight. Wasn't too bad...a couple parts I know I screwed up on, but otherwise I'm pretty sure I nailed the B. Just glad to be done...have about a month of summer to be free.

Been toying with the idea of doing chemistry rather then bio undergrad. Less courses, and possibly more interesting, but I heard today that the Chemistry track with lesser courses isn't seen very well by grad schools. I'm emailing the pre-professional advisor about that to sort it out. But we'll see...I'm just relieved to be done finally.
 
My wife may be getting a job.. but she's giving me loads of **** about it.

I'm thinking of taking Chem and Physics in the fall. Any thoughts from anyone?
 
Hi!

I will prolly be taking physics and chem in the same semester. I think that is probably unavoidable for me because of my own situation. However, I know a lot of people who have done and survived. 😉 (You can just check these posts on SDN and see what I mean)

However, you have to take into account that you have a family and a job. I love science but the time consumption of the labs will really be a problem for me when I transfer to the 4 year.

I was looking at my degree plan and it seems that I will be one class short of completing my degree and applying for the entering med school class of 2006. Anyone has any bright ideas for me to work this out??? 😕

Cozmosis, good for you on the chemistry final!

Biodude, I think I missed something. What is it you will be doing? 😕 It sounds like a wonderful opportunity to get so much exposure (if I am reading all of your posts correctly).
 
washkeep-my mom lives in the country so unfortunately my availability of reading materials are pretty slim (as i'm in korea and am not advanced enough to read korean) and i didn't bring a lot of books with me. fortunately i have my bible so i'm getting reacquainted with the thigns in there.

agent, (take my comment like a grain of salt cause I AM single afterall) but I think it's immature of your wife to complain of getting a job...as a married couple you're to support each in other in your dreams, right? well now is your time and when you're done fulfilling your dream, it will be her turn.

from what i recall from your earlier posts, it seems as though your wife isn't behind you 100%. what a shame. if i'm wrong, then feel free to correct me. 🙂
 
She's coming around slightly.

She just has this idea thats its her God-given right to be a stay home mom and I NEED to make that happen regardless of what kind of bills etc we have. Last month she managed to rack up a 230$ cell phone bill.. wtf!

Anyway, enough bitching. She will be supportive if I can possibly teach at night or weekends (2-3 times a week) and do med school as well.

I dont know if i'll be able to do that, but if I get that close then maybe we can work something out.
 
dude-$230 cell phone bill? and she's screaming at YOU for her maybe getting a job?!?

something doesn't seem to be adding up her 😕

i dunno how you're going to possibly go to med school, study, be a father, AND teach.

this time, something's gotta give, and i think it should be her.

my $.02
 
Originally posted by agent
She just has this idea thats its her God-given right to be a stay home mom and I NEED to make that happen regardless of what kind of bills etc we have. Last month she managed to rack up a 230$ cell phone bill.. wtf!

Sorry to hear about the stress around your house, Agent... I can relate to the whole stay-home-mom desires - I think every mom worth her salt has at least fleeting moments where she can't imagine leaving her kids... the reality of parenthood though is there are bills to pay, and sacrifices are going to be had to made one way or another - whether it's cutting down on the bills (OUCH on that cell phone bill), or both parents having to work. Sadly, I've had to do both (since my husband isn't much help)! :laugh:

Good luck....
 
Originally posted by LJoo83


something doesn't seem to be adding up her 😕

i dunno how you're going to possibly go to med school, study, be a father, AND teach.


hehhe last semster I wnt to school 3 nights a week and worked 2 jobs 😉

manna-- this would just be a part time job at night while they slept for the most part anyway. I have been letting her be a stay home mom cause I think its best for the kids
 
gee-if you can do that then i can take 17 cr hours ANd work 20 hours pt....

agent, you are my new preallo hero 🙂
 
I could, but I at least have to work my one full time job right now.

The thing is Northwestern is like 45mins to an Hour from my house. Its quite a drive to make 3 times a week.
 
Alrighty, I've got some more time today, so I will try and respond to the posts:

washkeep - Yes, the Calculus course I plan on taking will count for medical schools. I thought that I explained this before, but I will do so again. I panicked when a fellow pre-med student told me that it's better to take the Calc with Analytic Geometry in it. Well, I'm not a math person, so of course I ran over and talked with my pre-med advisor about it. He told me that med schools don't care. So that means that my Calc course will be okay. He told me that just as long as the Calculus course meets Physics requirements, it will not matter (all of the non-general ed Physics courses here require Calculus, but the Physics that I have to take for my major is a little more "watered-down").

angelic02 - Here's the order I ranked it:

1. Medical Pulmonary
2. Oncology
3. Gynecology/Urology

I have a feeling that Gyn/Uro would be the lowest ranked for most of the volunteers. It just sounds too messy for me. I myself had a difficult time in figuring out #1, but I am very interested in Pulmonary Diseases (having suffered asthma myself when I was younger...). Oncology also sounds interesting in that the patients and care for them sounds interesting. I would love to work with terminally ill patients because they are probably the most insightful people (about life and living) that I have ever come across. So, I wouldn't mind going to Oncology, but my interest in lung diseases beat out my interest in caring for cancer patients.

It's not that I can't handle it. I totally can, as I have experienced death on a very personal level before (my father died about 1 1/2 years ago) 🙁 I am also volunteering at a hospice, so death, well, when you experience it on a personal level, you tend to become de-sensitized to it on other levels. At least that has been my experience.

My Fall semester starts on the last week of August. I plan on taking Cell Biology, the 2nd semester of General Chemistry, and Calculus, all in the same semester. Last time I checked, my valued sections were still open. I hope that they still will be when I register come Thursday at noon (Pacific Time).

agent - hey dude, I didn't been to be insensitive myself, it's just that I thought that I would document what I have to do and thought that having to help bathe and clean up after elderly people would make everyone grin 😀 I wouldn't mind though...it's probably the smell that will get me more than the looks of doing it.

That reminds me...the last question asked in the interview was, "CODE BROWN: If a nurse or aide asked you to go and help clean up a patient who has recently had a bowel movement, would you be comfortable with doing it?" The obvious answer should be YES. If it is a NO, then volunteers would not be accepted into the program. I'll do whatever needs to be done, so that's not a problem for me if I can go wash my hands before and after, and wear gloves during the cleaning.

By the way, agent, does your wife know about living frugally? That would certainly help pay the bills better if she did. I know that my mom has made everyone at my home live more frugally so that we could pay the bills with the lower income (um, what without my dad here and all...he was the sole provider and my mom was and still is a stay-at-home mom) I don't mean to offend you, but it's just a suggestion 😳

Cozmosis - that sounds great. Glad to see that you are done with Chem and that you did pretty well in it. I think that you should just go with what you like, rather than what offers the most/least courses, though. Hopefully your pre-professional adviser will let you know what's right and what's wrong.

2badr - The Clinical Care Extender Program has been around for a while...it's currently active both at HOAG Memorial Hospital (the place I'm doing it at) and Citrus Valley Hospital (premyo2002 is volunteering over there). The program is set up so that pre-health students will get the clinical exposure/experience that they so badly want, and it also frees up time for nurses to do more important things than cleaning patients and getting them water 😀

It's also very cost-effective for the hospitals because as we all know, volunteers get paid $0, which means that there's no need to pay a nurse's aide to do stuff like cleaning up patients and making them feel comfortable, or hiring scrub techs to scrub in the OR people, or janitors to mop up the floor after the surgeries. Okay, well, those last bits didn't sound so well, but what I like about the program is that volunteers are also very important when it comes to patients. See, the patients are much more comfortable talking with people who aren't dressed up in scrubs or lab coats. I can develop my bedside manner by volunteering in the in-patient departments, as there may be some nights where volunteers have nothing to do except sit down and talk to patients.

The largest part of this program, though, that draws people in comes from the fact that the nurses and doctors are nice enough to call in the volunteers to see any cool procedures that they might have to do with patients. Especially if they like the volunteers, they will drag the volunteers in every time they have cool procedures to do.

I just kinda wish that I could have gotten into that ROP class so that I could go look for a job as a health care provider. I'm poor 😛 Hmm, maybe I can try and find a retail job in like a Pharmacy. That way I'll be learning about drugs and what they do 😉 I mean, well, since I finally got my clinical experience secured.


In other news:

Well, my group presentation went off without a hitch and now I won't need to be worrying about it so much :clap: The history test will be tomorrow of course. Then I need to go and finish reading All Quiet on the Western Front and do my 4 page term paper (due next week at the beginning of class).

I also got back my pop quiz in Psychology yesterday. The professor stated the score in points, but if we were to convert that to percentages, it would be 68% as the AVERAGE score in the class (I got 70%). You know what my Psych professor said of those findings? "I made this quiz too EASY for you. Next time it will be harder." Next time being the test on Monday 😱

Well, that is all. Gosh, I have so little free time!
 
Hey all 🙂

Agent - I'll be taking organic and physics this year as well along with 2 bio classes each semester. Sure you're gonna have to put in a lot of time, but I think you'll be able to handle it even with your schedule. My only concern is that you're switching from a CC to a highly academic university. You may be in for quite an adjustment as far as level of difficulty and commitment. Nothing insurmountable of course, but something to be aware of. I had a rough first semester between that adjustment (and my CC was a pretty good one too) and working too much still. I don't think I'd throw teaching a few times a week onto working full time and taking 2 hard lab classes but you definitely have better organizational and retention skills then I do since you were doing the 2 job thing last semester lol.

Also sorry to hear your wife isn't too thrilled with the changes going on. More stress is definitely something you don't need😛. Maybe it's time for you guys to look into getting a different cell plan if she's using it that much lol. Mine has something like 1000 anytime minutes countrywide for like $50/mo and I use maybe 200 of them lol, but this was the plan that got me the long distance and didn't restrict when i placed calls🙂 .

Cozmosis - Congrats on finishing up Chem!!:clap: I think what you heard about grad schools not liking chem refers to a BA in chem vs a BS in chem if you're going to grad school for chem vs going to med school. Med school's don't care whether it's a BA/BS or what major it is. If anything I would think med school's would prefer the BA cuz then you get to take more electives. I chose to do both biology and chemistry because it was sooo easy to do at my school. I literally only needed to add in one class that I hadn't planned on taking for my bio degree hehe. But they will both be BA's. I'm not good enough at math to go for the BS lol. My reasoning for adding chem in was that if I don't get accepted my first app cycle it's a lot easier to get an ok-paying job with a BA in chem then a BA in bio.

Biodude - Congrats on finding a CPR class, surviving your psych quiz (and above the mean too!!!:clap: ), and getting your history presentation done! Sounds like HOAG will be a great experience for you! Despite having no free time are you at least feeling less bored and having some fun with it all??

Ljoo - Well at least your solitude in the countryside of Korea is almost over 🙂. I hope your new school turns out to be everything you want it to be!

As for me, I have 3 biopsych test sessions left, and I think I've decided to wait until next summer to take calculus. I'm worried about having enough money to survive this year, whereas next summer I'll be working somewhere during the summer (hopefully a lab, but who knows) and be a little better off I hope. I just don't want to shoot myself in the foot this year as far as paying bills. I already need to cut down a little each month from what I was getting on unemployment and don't want to lose an additional $500 this fall. It doesn't put me behind at all to wait til next summer but I'd kind of hoped to have it done before physics even tho I'm taking the alg-based physics. Plus I think I could use the break. My apt is looking pretty crappy again lol.

Take care everyone!
--Jessica, UCCS
 
Hi all!

Skaterbabe-That sucks that you won't be able to get calc out of the way but we all know how useful money is, right? Good luck on your last few biopsych tests.

Cozmosis-My school encourages the premeds to tailor their programs to fit both med school and grad school requirements in case you don't get in and need to take that extra year. We have an actual pre-med certificate that you can earn in addition to the degree, it doesn't require but is set up so that you basically earn a BS in Bio, minor in Chem (can be a major with one more class). I think it would be a good idea to check all your avenues-hope you figure something out!

Biodude-Great news on all fronts! But I hope you keep doing your long rambling posts when you have time-I love them!

Manna-While I'm sorry about your situation, I'm glad it was a mutual decision-there'll be a lot less pain on all fronts. How are your kids taking it?

agent-Having been a stay-at-home mom for the last year, I think I can say with a little authority that your wife needs a reality check. Not to be mean or anything, I don't know all the details, but an important part of me not having to work has been cutting our budget severely on all fronts and I understood that it would be that way. Neither my husband nor I have gotten any new clothes at all in the last year. We cancelled cable TV, call waiting, caller ID, I dropped my cell plan to the minimum and don't use it when I reach my limit. I dropped out of my beloved dance classes (which I just restarted this summer thanks to a gift from my mom), I could just go on and on with all the sacrifices we made for my kids' well being (and mine), but.........if I ever spent $230 on my cell phone, regular phone, electric bill, water bill, and credit card payments COMBINED, my husband would ship me off to the nearest temp agency to pay for it! A family is just that, a family, and you're all in it together. Believe me, I know how much daycare costs for two kids, and if your wife can't get a decent job she won't bring anything home after paying it, so there's really no good solution. But, darn, she's gotta watch the bills😀

(Sorry if this sounds like a rant, I just reread it and realized I sound kind of nasty, I truly don't mean to be but I can't think of a better way to reword it right now-just trying to make a point.)

OK, off to bed now.....nothing much new in my life.....just working around the house and waiting for school to start....
 
Well, this is the deal. I think I may be liking chemistry more then bio at this point, but maybe thats just cause I've done nothing but chem this summer, and had a pretty interesting teacher. Who knows.

The deal on the Chem majors: My school has a few Chem majors. The first, and smallest, is the General Track, which is NOT a BA, it is a BS, as basically all degrees here are. A friend of mine told me that he talked to the head of the chem department, and found out that this track was basically worthless, and you are unmarketable with it to grad/professional schools. The Professional track adds Calc 2, and about 4 more assorted, harder Chem classes. I wouldn't be able to finish the Professional track in 4 years anyway, and going over a semester does me no good.

Anyway, I'm not sure what I want to do. I'm currently in: Bio 2, Statistics, Sociology, Organic 1, Physics 1 for the fall. I'd need to drop Bio and Stats if I wanted to add Analytical Chemistry. The thing is, I really do want to take the course, because its the same teacher I had over the summer and I really liked him. Argh.
 
I know exactly how you feel Cozmosis. I had the exact same feeling about chem after my gen chem teacher vs my anatomy teacher last year lol. That's why I added the double major in. As far as the general vs the professional track in your case it may not be marketable to grad schools cuz you wouldn't have the second semester of calc and maybe not some of the other "core" chem classes but i don't think professional schools would care one way or the other.....especially if you did it as a double major rather than a single chem major. The difference is that with a chem degree you can get hired in a lab pretty easily vs not being able to do much with a bio degree. If you decided to go to grad school instead and wanted to major in chemistry there then you'd probably need to add that extra semester of classes to get in. The dean of a dept is always going to suggest the highest track within there dept....the person you should ask is your premed advisor. I think I'd also wait until I had more of my upper-division bio classes out of the way before making a decision about switching majors completely. You may find the upper division stuff more interesting 🙂

For example, I'll be missing the second semester of calc and physical chem from the core chemistry sequences but i'll have biochem and molecular genetics from the electives instead. If I decided to go to grad school in chemistry i'm sure I'd have to take at least those 3 courses in order to get in, but if I did grad school I'd probably do something cross-discipline between chemistry and biology or something like immunology or genetics.

As far as fitting in analytical can you save it for next fall?? After all bio 2 will be more important for the MCAT then analytical.

Good luck!
--Jessica, UCCS
 
Thanks for the post. I wasn't going to do it as a double major, just on its own. Honestly, my holdup with the Professional track is Calc 2. I haven't taken Calc in 2 years, and really started to despise it as the semester wore on.

I really wish I had more time. No, I really wish I explored these venues when I first started school, rather then waiting until the second half of my second year. Stupid computer science uninteresting crap 🙂 I'd love to take a couple upper level Bio classes before deciding...but I really want to get out of here in 4 years, since I'll already be spending a ton of time post undergrad. I guess if I really need to, I can stay an extra year. I hate that if I take another semester I have to wait so long to start anywhere else. bah!

Thats my rant for the night.
 
Just so I can post 3 times in a row...
I looked over my options and it seems like no matter what I do, I can do analytical now and still be good at the end of my junior year.

If I do Bio, I'll have Bio 2 and A+P 1 done by the end of junior year

Chem, Medical micro and Bio 2 done

Special dual degree program my school offers(PharmD choice only), won't frigging matter 🙂

Whee!

So I might hop in analytical tomorrow, we'll see.
 
Oh ok...for some reason I was thinking you were a bio major already Cozmosis. The calc 2 thing is one of my main reasons for not taking phsyical chem lol. I'd say double check with your premed advisor about how the general chem track would look to med schools, but my gut is telling me that general vs professional won't make a difference. A bachelor degree is a bachelor degree. Grad school on the other hand is different. They expect you to have all the same basic chemistry experience everyone else has.

If I'd have thought I'd be able to survive calc 2 and physical chem I may have done a chemistry major with a biology minor instead (you can double in chemistry from a bio major easily but not vice versa easily here). Then again I'd regret not being able to take the exercise science/biomechanics classes and the genetics/immuno classes I will be taking lol so who knows. Physical chem seems interesting - we had a lecture about superconducting heat last semester but knowing how much difficulty soo many people have with that class I decided not to push things lol, but I am really looking forward to analytical chem for the same reason you are...my gen chem prof was awesome and gave us a lot of his analytical background hehe.

Anyway, good luck whatever you decide 🙂
--Jessica, UCCS
 
Thanks for your advice jenni and skaterbabe -

My wife has an interview at wal-mart for part-time cashier at nights when Im not in school this tuesday.

And yes I'm sure I can swing Chem and Physics. I need to get used to it anyway.
 
Hey all, it looks like everyone's questions have been answered to some extent. I'll just update my situation here:

First of all, when my Psych prof said "next time" he meant the next quiz :laugh: Well, the next quiz happens to be tomorrow, so D'OH! 😱

I just hope that I've been taking good notes. Then on top of all of that, he's got an exam for us on Monday. 50% of it will be multiple choice (easy part) and 50% will be essay (hard part - now I know how hard my prof wants to grade 🙁 )

Second of all, my history exam is today at 3:30 p.m. Wish me luck, because I have a feeling that I'll need it...it'll be divided into two sections as well. One would be matching/fill-in-the-blank, and the other is straight essay. Once again, the essay will be the hard part.

I got my project grade back yesterday. It's roughly a high B, if I convert it to percentages that is. It looks like my professor for history is an easy grader (hopefully this will work in my favor when I start writing on the essay section of the exam).

Third of all, I've got so many things to do, both academically and non-academically, that I am feeling burned-out. I mean, now that my medical insurance has been cut off, my mom's forcing me to sign up for medi-CAL (the CA version of medicaid), and then there's all these quizzes, term papers, and exams that I have to worry about, then I have to worry about whether my classes will be open for me to sign up for tomorrow, and then there's HOAG. They don't allow volunteers to begin volunteering until the volunteers have passed an exam at the end of the third meeting session, which will fall on the Sunday before my final exams for my two summer school courses.

I wonder how bad medical school would be like compared to this?

Well, I'll be back tomorrow, though I will be much more glad once this week is done.
 
Hi all!!
I could not agree more on the physical chemistry! it has been a reason for avoiding the chem major when I transfer.

Cozmosis, i think my situation is similar to yours.`I will be a course short of graduation if I do the Bio major. I don't know how to get around this. I would love to simply major in something like medical microbiology but there isn't a specific major for that at any of the universities within my area.

Biodude, thanks for the explaination.`After posting I realized it was probably similar to the Health Careers organizations at a lot of Universities/Colleges.

agent, i hope everything works out for you. Money can be a stressful factor on anyone.
 
agent-that's great news! That way you won't be struggling with daycare (with what wal-mart pays you can't even pay daycare for two kids-I tried working there once😡 ) I hope it hasn't caused too much resentment on her part that she has to do this-hope she gets it and your situation improves...

biodude-What doesn't kill us only makes us stronger, right? (At least that's what I keep telling myself!) Hope History went well for ya.

Stupid question that I don't want to wait two years for the answer for (that is until I take some classes and understand for myself): what's the difference between physical and analytical chem?

Another stupid question: are most of you planning to take Anatomy and Physiology? I think I remember hearing somewhere that med schools look down on that (here I go thinking like a gunner again:laugh: ) I'm taking Anatomy this fall just b/c I want to.....

btw...thanks Skaterbabe for talking me back into that-I feel quite comfortable with it now and wonder why I ever got scared-

but so far I'm not planning on Physiology. It's a complicated situation with the transfer credits, but I'll be free to take it later down the road after I transfer for full credit, if that makes any sense. Is it worthwhile?

I'm just full of questions tonight, aren't I? 😀
 
jenni, i'm planning to take anatomy and phys deinitely during undergrad for my own interests...but med schools look down upon that? i've never heard of that.

30 days until I start school!!:clap:
 
jenni, i'd actually love to take anatomy and physiology just for fun, but it seems like i don't have this option since i'm tranaferring and a&p are outside of my department (and college) and i already have too many units as is, that i can't afford to take any more classes than i'm required to. i don't know if med schools look down upon it tho, i don't really see why they would...

i'm starting to look at all the volunteer opportunities in berkeley since i'm moving in less than four weeks, btw, does anyone have any suggestions? what's better a large hospital or a small, free, community clinic? on one hand in a large hospital i might get the chance to see more procedures, but in a small clinic i will get to do more myself (i'm talking about a free clinic that depends mostly on volunteers)...any other thoughts on this?

:clap: it's almost weekend everyone!!! :clap:
 
Hey all!

Biodude - All i can say is hang in there. You'll be done before you know it! 🙂

Agent - Sounds like Wal-mart will be a good fit for your situation. I hope she gets the job! 🙂

jenni - You're welcome lol. A&P are combined at my school but there are also a couple upper division animal physiology courses. I'm going to take mammalogy and vertebrate embryology to fulfill that part of my degree's requirements. As far as med school's not liking you to take them prior - the only ones I've heard of for sure saying that are Cali schools, and I think that's more if you're not a biology major concentating on human biology to start with. I don't think most care one way or another if you take ugrad courses in their basic science curriculum's. If anything it just means you'll have a bit of an introduction to what you'll be learning in med school.

I don't think you'll be missing anything if you don't take physiology. You'll get plenty of it in med school lol so I wouldn't worry about juggling thru the transfer hoops to do it.

From my school's website about the courses analytical chem and physical chem:
Chem 417-4. Analytical Chemistry I. Lect. and Lab. Emphasis is on chemical equilibrium, quantitative analyses by means of titration, spectrophotometry, electrode potentials, and analytical separation techniques. Prer., Chem 106 with a grade of C or higher. Frequency: Fall semester.

Chem 418-3. Analytical Chemistry II. Lect. Emphasis is on instrumental methods of analysis, including spectral, electrochemical, and separations methods. Prer., PES 112, Chem 417 with grades of C or higher, and concurrent enrollment in or completion of Chem 452 with a grade of C or higher. Concurrent enrollment in Chem 420 required. Frequency: Spring semester.

Chem 451-3. Physical Chemistry I. Lect. The application of thermodynamics to phase changes, chemical reactions, and electrochemical cells. The rates and mechanics of chemical reactions. Prer., PES 112, 115, Chem 332, and Math 136 with grades of C or higher. Frequency: Fall semester.

Chem 452-3. Physical Chemistry II. Lect. The application of quantum mechanics to atomic and molecular structure and spectra. The applications of statistical mechanics of thermodynamic properties. Transition state theory of reaction rate. Prer., Chem 451 with a grade of C or higher. Frequency: Spring semester.

So analytical deals more with equilibriums and quantitative anayses, while physical deals more with thermodynamics and mechanics. I'm only planning on taking Analytical Chem I btw.

CH3 - couldn't you fit in both volunteering options? Do one one year or summer, and do the other the following? Both sound interesting and good for getting experience, but I'd think having both types of experience would be helpful for figuring out what sort of environment you might prefer ending up in.

Back to biopsych for me
🙂
--Jessica, UCCS
 
hi everyone.......so many things going on with everyone that it's so hard to keep track of what's going on with who.

biodude -- congrats on HOAG, i guess u don't need my help in getting u a shadowing experience. And I don't envy your summer schedule/workload, but hang in there and it will all pay off in the end. Good luck in getting the classes u need for fall.

skaterbabe -- thx for all the info on financial aid, hopefully they'll be able to help me out so I can eat more than once a day 😀

jenni -- i've never heard of med schools looking down on students who took A & P. I already took it and it just re-affirmed my curiosity in how the human body works/functions. One of the docs I shadowed said that anatomy was the one class that he wished he took during undergrad because it would've made med school a bit easier.

CH3 -- congrats on finding a place to live. R u excited about moving? where r u moving from?

LJoo -- when r u coming back to the US? How far do you live from the DMZ border?

Nothing interesting going on in my life. I just got an email from school saying that they increased the tuition again (2nd time this year). And since I already paid for my fall tuition, they will mail me a bill for the difference. Great 🙄 Now I have to go back to my top ramen diet.
 
CH3 -- congrats on finding a place to live. R u excited about moving? where r u moving from?

thanks granola 🙂

yeah, i am excited, i've never lived w/o my parents b4 but i'm afraid i might actually miss my little brother 🙁
i'm moving from the San Jose area
 
I'm sorry I visit every so often to get inpirsation and I missed it, What is HOAG????
 
Thanks Skaterbabe for clearing that up for me. I feel like such a dork sometimes b/c all I'm really doing right now is being a SAHM, and I really don't know ANYTHING yet! Though i know a heck of a lot more than most of my friends about anything medical or bio or chem related. Kinda sucks b/c I know too much for anything my friends say to be useful, but I don't know enough to be helpful to anyone on here, if ya know what I mean.... oh well, it'll change. Patience, patience, patience.....

agent-I thought of something else your wife should be aware of before she starts at Wal-Mart. They do their scheduling by computer, so you have to put down availability and then they just plug it into the computer and it randomly assigns shifts within that. When I started, I told them what I wanted to work (mostly days, no more than two nights a week), and they told me to make myself available four nights a week so they could have some flexibility in scheduling but promised to schedule me only two. Well....you can probably see where this is going....I wound up scheduled four nights a week. Also, I told them I was only available every other weekend b/c of my kids' custody schedule and they told me there was no way to plug that into the computer b/c they did it on a weekly basis and then there were problems with that. So have them clarify exactly how it's done for your wife and make sure she is strict with her availability or they'll take advantage of it.....that's mainly why I only worked there a month. I'm not trying to say it's all negative (don't want to scare you!) but just to make you aware of this 😀

CH3-I've noticed the weather has been really hot out there recently-is that normal for that area? Congrats on the move-hope all the practical stuff goes well, and reassuring (for me) to hear that you will miss your brother. With all the fighting my kids do, I sometimes wonder if they'll suffer from lifelong sibling hatred...:laugh:

My poor puppy isn't feeling well again this morning. He'd been doing really well from last Wednesday until last night, acting almost like a puppy again with lots of energy and love, but in one night he's become an old dog again. The vet said it'd be up and down, it's just hard to deal with. We thought we might have to have him put down last Wednesday, but then he perked up and we're like, no way, he's still enjoying life so much. And now this....🙁

On the good side, I think I may never cook again. I'm really loving this eating out all the time-it's so much easier, especially on my husband with his diet and everything-he just gets a garden salad or a veggie sub w/o cheese. We went to the doc again yesterday and they progressed him to an even more restricted diet, his phe levels still aren't where they should be (2-6 mg/dl) although they've lowered quite a bit (from 10.4 to 6.9). He's feeling much better already.....

Also, my RN friend is coming over next week to teach me how to draw blood-I'm excited! My husband is less so, as you probably can imagine....and my best friend is totally grossed out....oh well, that's why I post here, at least you'll understand....

OK, can you tell I have nothing better to do on my breaks from construction work? My posts are getting longer and longer...I need to get a life:laugh:

Oh, and thanks for all your responses to my question regarding A&P. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to fit in Physiology later after I transfer, and I'd really like to take it. One of my friends got really mad at me last night though, she's in the nursing program and the Anatomy class is required for it and it's full so she can't get in...she was trying to talk me into giving her my spot...oh well, it's not my fault she didn't register back in May when she was able to!
 
Thanks for the info jenni.

Luckily we do have both sets of parents if a babysitting need arises..

Today I go to NW for an open house. I got 2 more transcripts from my old school.

I have the money and ill probably register for Gen Chem and Physics today
 
FYI guys, p-chem helped me with the MCAT (surprisingly)....it sucks as a course, but in some ways, it's worth it...

My p-chem prof was one of the world's leading physical chemists...he was also damn near blind. He used to hold his chalk in one hand and walk forward until he literally hit the blackboard, then begin writing. Then he'd turn around to address the class, then turn back around to write on the board (but couldn't see where he'd already written) and write over the same spot. Not to mention this was all done at break-neck speed. Now that's X-treme P-chem for ya. ;-)

Seriously, though...as a chem major, I think I was better prepared for most of the MCAT just based on my course work alone (I also had to take 4 calc classes at my technical university). I'm attending my top-choice school in the fall....food for thought (go chemistry)!
 
That was a funny story about your prof.

Made me laugh 😉
 
Hey all, yesterday was a real doozy!

You see, I was thinking that my next Psych quiz would be today, and it was scheduled for today, but the Psych prof thought that it would be better for us to take it yesterday, as the exam will be on Monday (no class on Friday). That way, he could explain the right answers to us and why we got our answers wrong. Well, as if that wasn't bad enough, I had to take the quiz at the end of class, which means that I only got a 10 minute breather between the insanely hard Psych quiz and the difficult History exam. Actually, the exam was easier than I expected it to be, but it was still hard 😡

My pysch prof meant it when he said that the next one would be harder. I don't think that I did so well this time around, knowing how hard my prof grades now!

I'm real nervous about my registrations today...I don't get to sign up for about 2 more hours, and man am I just tense, ready, and waiting!

Well, in other news...

jenni4476 - If only that saying would be so true 😀 I dunno, I just feel really burned out right now, and it is too late to drop either of my classes without getting an F. As for Anatomy and Physiology, SOME med schools look down upon that, NOT ALL of them 😉 In fact, the only med school I've found that discourages taking that class would be a public school in my home state, UCLA.

SarahXXOO - Hi there! Thanks for the heads-up. Unfortunately, I find Chem pretty boring compared to Bio classes, so I guess my Phsycial sciences grade on the MCAT might take a hit (hehehe). On the plus side, though, the P-Chem prof at my school is well-known and respected by the students, so I don't think that it would be a problem for me. So you are at the University of Michigan Medical school, eh? I've got a friend whose #1 choice is that school. Care to PM me with any tips for him?

agent - hey dude, sounds like things are lookin' great for ya! Hopefully you'll obtain a good schedule for yourself.

granola - hey, thanks dude. Please post here more often so that we may have something else to chat about, alright?

CH3CH2OH - Well, I think that you should do a little bit of both for your volunteering, large hospital and small free clinic. Not at the same time of course, unless you can fit 'em both into your schedule. Observing procedures is pretty neat (I'm remembering my shadowing experience from Drew Medical Center here). However, I felt useless 'cuz I didn't get to participate in any patient care whatsoever. I only observed. I think that you should get some clinical experience in helping patients too, just to know how it feels like to interact with them. Plus, a hospital is much different from a community clinic. Having been to the hospital a bit, I think that I'd rather work in an outpatient clinic once I finish up med school and decide on a residency to do.

Skaterbabe74 - so, how's it goin' now in Bio-psych? You're in the home stretch, right?

katelo - I don't mind explaining again, so um, everyone else, just ignore this long explanation since it's been posted before 😀

HOAG is what I use for short. It's called "HOAG Memorial Hospital Presbyterian." I was accepted into their Clinical Care Extendership Program, CCE for short. CCE students learn how to help care for patients in a variety of ways, whether in helping to clean them up, or in the case of surgeries, they act as scrub techs, following sterile procedure in helping to gown and find tools for the nurses and docs. Then they mop the blood off of the floor afterwards. CCE's don't just stand around, unless there's nothing to do, and they allow the nurses to do more important things than washing patients and cleaning up their bowel movements.

CCE's are strictly volunteers, which means that the hospital wouldn't have to pay for a nurse's aide, a scrub tech, or a janitor to mop up after surgeries. But CCE's also get to observe the cool procedures that nurses and doctors do, and even get to participate in some of them. Or the ways the procedures are carried out are explained to the CCE's. So you can imagine why I'm finally glad to be accepted because I have had very limited clinical experience up until this point.

The CCE program is also active at Citrus Valley Hospital, where premyo2002 is a CCE (where is that guy?)

Well, in closing, I think that my internet service may be finally up and running by the time the weekend rolls around, so I won't have to be so reliant upon my school's computers. I'm gonna get my CPR certification tomorrow at 6 p.m. Pacific Time.
 
My school offers Vertebrate Structure and Human Physiology. I don't really feel like taking Vert Struct b/c it's supposed to be nearly as difficult as O chem. But Human Phys is apparently a great class. Some medschools recommend Anatomy & Biochem & Genetics. But I've also heard that it doesn't help you a ton in medschool, gives you a false sense of security.

agent- Doesn't sound like your wife would really like Walmart, but if that's all that's available? Does she have many career goals, like yourself?

CH3- I'd do the community clinic. It's probably a friendlier environment, and you'll be able to interact with the underserved population. I think it's very rewarding.
 
Thanks for the clarification. I'd love to do something like that but working fulltime really doesn't allow for much volunteering during normal hours when lots is going on. I've tried weekend stuff but it is always people standing around and not much action. I feel usless. I want to be doing stuff when I'm volunteering not standing around. Sound cool.
 
Hey all, it's 12:11 p.m. Pacific Time here, which means...

I finally signed up for my classes. This time, I also didn't get the schedule that I wanted. The difference? Well, guess what, I had a PLAN B. Mwahahaha :laugh: 😀 😛

So now, my official study schedule is:

Cell Biology.......................5 units

Short Course in Calculus...4 units

Introduction to Logic..........3 units

Greek Philosophy................3 units

15 units all together, which means I will be considered a full-time student for financial aid and Medi-Cal benefits.

Now as for why I have signed up for these specific classes:

Cell Bio...it's Bio. I think that my username speaks for itself, right? 😛

Calculus...it's required for my major, and also for Physics. Alrighty, now I can sign up for Physics on schedule, assuming that the class will have enough space for me to sign up in during the Spring.

Intro to Logic...I heard on the MCAT discussion boards that taking a course in Logic helps a whole bunch on the verbal and writing sections of the MCAT. And this came from Philosophy majors. Plus it counts for "Critical Thinking" General Ed.

Greek Philosophy...well, if I can't finish my pre-med requirements, then I will be starting on taking my minor set of courses. Plus it counts for my "Intro to Humanities" General Ed. Two birds with one stone!

Actually, I wanted to sign up for General Chemistry II, but the stupid schedule of classes prohibits me from doing so! +pissed+

Oh well, it's not much of a set-back, really, because I originally planned to take O-Chem in my third year, and G. Chem II is required for O-Chem, so I'll just have to take my G. Chem II with Physics I. Oh wait a minute, drat drat drat! Now I need to go get permission to take 17 units! I hope that I get it so that I could take Advanced College Writing with that prof!

katelo - Hey there, I can't really offer much advice. Except that, it took me a long long while (MORE THAN A YEAR) to find this opportunity and get into it. Plus, I've got plenty of other things that I've been trying to do, but couldn't because of my schedule, or because they didn't want me, or because I just went in at the wrong time, etc. So, I guess I would say that you gotta be patient and perservering. I think med schools prefer students who perservere, since that's what's required to get through the pre-med cirriculum, the MCAT, and the application process. I know that everyone here will be able to support you, and I definitely will! :clap:
 
My wife used to be a loan officer.. she also went through nurse assitant training and worked in old folks home for awhile..

Now she just wants to be a mom, which she is really good at. The kids love her and thats admirable.

I'm leaving for NU now. (i was rold not to call it NW by one of their students.. whatever 🙁)
 
A couple things...
Got my Chem 2 grade, got a B, 86 on the final. Pleased 🙂

Email from the pre-prof advisor, and I quote:
The revision of the Chemistry Major (General Tract) is relative new, so I don't see how this tract can be viewed as not to well for Pharmacy Schools. The science prerequisites for professional careers in medicine, dentistry and pharmacy are all satisfied by this curriculum. I think you will be well prepared for professional schools with this general tract.

That answers my question, I guess. I think I'm gonna take analytical regardless. How I prepare for whatever test I take(MCAT, PCAT) will depend on what I take in the spring. I need to go look at some test prep books.
 
I was very impressed with Northwestern's SCS.

We got to speak to in a small group of 10 with one of Feinberg's adcoms who was VERY candid. She basically said that all the night classes are comprable to the day ones. She said they have to be otherwise they would let them carry the Northwestern's name.

She also said since NU's standards are 33+ for the MCAT that most SCS students dont go there. Only 6 in the last 7 years have gotten into Feinberg. Basically you REALLY have to dominate.

She did say that many students have had success at other Chicago schools though.

One of the classes is taught by a teacher at Finch.

Overall it looks like an awesome program, far better than I actually expected. If anyone is coming from a CC and lives in the Chicago area I highly would suggest going there.
 
BUMP

Okay, well, this thread really is lagging. So, I'll give some updates on my situation:

I got my CPR certification card. It's AHA (American Heart Association) rather than Red Cross. I'm certified for 2 years instead of one, and now I have an idea on how to do CPR for infants, children, and adults in addition to using a defibrillator. The CPR certification sure was quick though...I'm not even sure if I'm competent enough, but HOAG's training class for this Sunday will review it.

I have my first exam in Psychology of Personality today. Well, now to see what the exams are like, but I have a feeling that I won't do so well on this one. I think that my studying wasn't adequate, plus the professor has to grade so hard. Maybe I'll be improving on it.

My second class of training comes in this Sunday for HOAG, where I'll learn some more about the body's systems and diseases from more UCLA medical students...and I will learn about customer service. Swell... 🙄

I'm not exactly ready to treat customers after rummaging through this website:

http://www.customerssuck.com

I better go study for a bit for my Psych class now (I don't like that prof...)
 
Learning about customer service? That's kinda weird. But I do think it's probably a good idea. I can see a lot of similarities between, say, waitressing and seeing patients.
 
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