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Sorry for the delay in getting this out but I was away on vacation. Here goes......
I've been practicing/ teaching for the past 36 years. The past 7 have been with the VA, and these years have been the most fulfilling of my career. Much of my feelings are due to the VA that I'm affiliated with. It is associated with a major top tier medical school and is generally considered a " flagship" facility by the government and is reflected in its funding and the quality of the medical staff it attracts. With that kind of endorsement I would love to say that a VA career should be a choice for a graduating podiatric resident, but unfortunately I can't. In fact I strongly advise my residents to look else ware for employment.Our treatment by the varied medical Dept's. is wonderful. Our residents are expected to perform as any other PGY 1,2,3 resident. This is sometimes quite a challenge, but one that they look forward to confronting. So what's the problem? Well as always it's the government itself. Up until a few years ago all doctors were paid under the GS system. This is a 15 level system with 10 grades per level. Because of my years of experience and my service chief insisted that they pay me at the 15/10 pay grade. This is the highest pay grade available. Straight out of residency a pod will start at 13 something which translates into a $80K salary plus about $24K in locality pay. Please understand that at that time all MD/DO's hired out of residency were hired at 15/10. Why are we different? Well it seems podiatrists are and have been for years classified with optometrists and chiropractors, and other allied health. This is similar to the military who places us in the medical service corp rather than the medical corp. To further compound the issue MD/DO's are now paid based on the new Physicians and Dentists Pay Bill. which we were conveniently left out of. They are no longer on the GS system. Now a gross pay of around $104K may sound great to someone making $40-50K as a resident, but after taxes and loan repayments as well as basic cost of living, there isn't much left to live on. Just down the road from our hospital is a large HMO (my former employer), that starts three year foot and ankle trained pods at $218K plus a generous benefits package.
It is my opinion that until and unless the VA and Military reclassify podiatrists so that we are offered the same benefits and advancement as MD/Di's we as a profession should deny them our services. Don't sell yourselves short. Things will change, but will come slowly. As long as these agency's can fill there open slots they have no incentive to change.
I hope this helps any of you that are thinking of public service as a career. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
 
Great and interesting post. I really have no experience with VA hospitals other than one of my former residents taking a position with one. Therefore, all my information has been "hearsay".

All the information I've heard has basically been all over the spectrum, from the medical staff being top notch, to the medical staff being all foreign trained doctors who couldn't find jobs elsewhere (I'm not referring to the podiatric staff). It seems that there was little consistency among the VA hospitals, although I guess that's really true among all hospitals.

However, since the VA hospitals are all under the same umbrella, I would hope there may be some "standard". It's great to hear that you've been surrounded by great people and your experience has been excellent.

I do know that students/residents I've spoken with have witnessed very unique pathologies at VA programs, it's just a shame that DPM's aren't treated with parity financially.

I'm glad and surprised to hear of an HMO that's hiring 3 year trained DPM's right out of residency and starting them at over 200 grand PLUS benefits. In my geographic area, not only are HMO's not interested in hiring DPMs, but they pay ridiculous rates or capitate to podiatry at pennies per patient encounter.
 
From my perspective the VA positions sound VERY good. PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong. Don't you get health insurance through the VA position? From what you describe it sounds like a great way to go. I do have a very close podiatrist friend in the VA system who is very happy with the career choice. It's great to be able to work and get paid a salary rather than hodge podging it with insurance claims that may or may not go through. I went from clinic work and a straight salary to private practice house calls and nursing homes and it's been an absolute nightmare. Truly, I can't imagine how anyone could ever afford health insurance in private practice. I was looking into the VA system for employment after I complete a residency. Does the VA employ podiatrists who have not yet completed residency training?
 
Let me try to answer the questions that have been asked. Yes many of the VA's hire foreign medical graduates. I find that this happens in some of the more remote locations. This is also the locations that you will find podiatrists that do nothing but clinic practice and little or no surgery. In fact when my chief and I go to some of the VA CME meetings and we meet these guys/gals we are treated like rock stars. I've heard comments like "They let you do surgery?" "You can admit patients?" I'm embarrassed for myself and my profession. For the most part these pods are poorly trained generally older and have been kept down so long they have lost the ability to speak out.
The pathology st the VA is diverse and challenging. Many of our patients are "Train Wrecks" and as I wrote to another member, their pod complaints are the lease of their problems. Other than the fact that we don't see children when you reach my age(62) many of the vets are younger than my kids and residents. I generally think of my residents as my Foster children for the 3 years I have them.
I can't speak for other VA's, but we will not think of hiring someone without a Residency and they must be ABPS certified or ready to sit for the surgery boards. In addition you better have a good foundation in medicine. We have to manage our patients to a level each other referring service would expect the patient to be worked up prior to referral. If yo don't they will rip you a new one. Trust me this applies to all the services, and is the way medical teaching hospitals work. Our resident have made us very proud in the 7 years I've been here.
Hope that helps...........Keep the questions coming.
 
Rather than "blow my cover" let me say that off the top of my head I can think of 5 VA's that have excellent programs. In no particular order they are Phoenix, Az., Palo Alto, Ca., Denver, Co. N. Chicago, Ill.,Salt lake city,Utah. Each one has it's own character that is established by the Pod staff and the inter dept. relationships. If I've missed a facility I apologize. Anyone interested in one of these programs should contact them and arrange a visit or better yet an externship where possible.
While I have your attention I'd like to ask the residents and students what they think is important to them in their training and what they think should be changed in the way they have been taught to make them better doctors. I think it would be helpful to hear from the other attendings on the list as well since they would have a perspective based on experience. This would probably make a good new thread.
 
VAFootDoc thanks for the excellent information about working at a VA. I wanted to ask if any of the salary or locality pay is exempt from taxes when working for the VA?
 
does anyone know the average salary of a DPM working at the VA? I am thinking about working at one and I cant find any source that mentions the pay or anything, also how hard is it to get a job at a VA as a DPM?? thanks!
 
i guess maybe the VAfootdoc kinda answered the salary question a little bit tho
 
Not sure if you are still around but I have some questions.

Do VA residency's have the opportunity to become full-time employment at the same location?

If you do the residency with the VA, do those years count towards FERS if you take a job with the VA afterwards?

To work for the VA you only have to have a license in any state right? Doesn't have to be the one you happen to work in.
 
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