There is CURE FOR AIDS!

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Its too bad if this ever gets through phase III that it'll cost a ton of money to use each patients own dendritic cells to make the vaccine, too bad for the poor.
 
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Cat's Meow said:
This is good news!

But your response is immature at best 👎

AIDS isn't the only consequence of unprotected sex, dude.

it was just a joke, lighten up bro
 
Not that I'm not a proponent of curing AIDS but...

A doctor at my hospital gave a seminar once on population control in the world, and stated that once a cure for AIDS is definite, the world is not necessarily equipped nor able to sustain the sudden increase in survival rates (in addition to the normal logarithmic growth of the population).

Just some food for thought 🙂
 
icecream4me said:
Not that I'm not a proponent of curing AIDS but...

A doctor at my hospital gave a seminar once on population control in the world, and stated that once a cure for AIDS is definite, the world is not necessarily equipped nor able to sustain the sudden increase in survival rates (in addition to the normal logarithmic growth of the population).

Just some food for thought 🙂
That's ******ed.
 
icecream4me said:
Not that I'm not a proponent of curing AIDS but...

A doctor at my hospital gave a seminar once on population control in the world, and stated that once a cure for AIDS is definite, the world is not necessarily equipped nor able to sustain the sudden increase in survival rates (in addition to the normal logarithmic growth of the population).

Just some food for thought 🙂

really the dumbest thing ive heard; this doc needs to be shipped to africa and give that speech to the people there; you should go with him for believing him....
 
MD Rapper said:
Do you really like Omaha that much?
Omaha is incredibly lame.
 
Since your from omaha , do you listen to bands like the faint and bright eyes? i think they arte from that area.
 
Haybrant said:
really the dumbest thing ive heard; this doc needs to be shipped to africa and give that speech to the people there; you should go with him for believing him....

I don't think that I ever stated whether I believed him or not; it's just another point of view. Don't you think that as an aspiring doctor-to-be, you should be able to listen to all sides of an argument without making lame-ass accusations?
 
skoaner said:
It's very unlikely that a dude would get AIDS from a chick, unless you're trying to tell us something...

if you honestly believe this, then you are part of the AIDS problem.

go look up the highest rates of new infection broken down by sex and race.
 
stoic said:
if you honestly believe this, then you are part of the AIDS problem.

go look up the highest rates of new infection broken down by sex and race.
Uhh, it's been well documented that it is not likely for a man to contract aids from an infected woman during unprotected sex. He would have to have an open sore.
 
skoaner said:
Uhh, it's been well documented that it is not likely for a man to contract aids from an infected woman during unprotected sex. He would have to have an open sore.

yea, ok. it's not likely that you're going to wreck your car next time you hit the freeway, but you still wear your seatbelt (or you should)

i have no idea if you're implying that the op is gay, or if he's a women, or whatever. but the bottom line is that everyone should be wearing condoms for casual sex, no matter their gender or sexual orientation.

period.


PS. no matter if the issue is aids or not. even if they cure aids (and this vaccine isn't the answer), then there are still PLENTY of other reason to practice safe sex.
 
icecream4me said:
I don't think that I ever stated whether I believed him or not; it's just another point of view. Don't you think that as an aspiring doctor-to-be, you should be able to listen to all sides of an argument without making lame-ass accusations?

people listened to the other side of the argument. it is just a sick thing to think, that population control is more important than curing a disease.

imagine if you got diagnosed with AIDS... do you think the idea of population control would enter your mind? i'm thinking it wouldn't...
 
skoaner said:
Uhh, it's been well documented that it is not likely for a man to contract aids from an infected woman during unprotected sex. He would have to have an open sore.

documented where? in a country that denies there is a AIDS epidemic maybe.
AIDS in Africa and Asia is mostly transmitted by heterosexuals.

but you are right in terms of the chances of HIV infection rates, viruses are highly unstable. but come on, even 1/1000 is still high enough for me to wrap it up before i slap it up. also, it would have to depend alot on the viral load of the individual. right at the time of conversion, the chances are low, but once those lymphocytes start dying off you are playing Russian roulette. correct me if im wrong, its been a while since my last STD class.
 
Medikit said:
I like it. I'm going to have a new soon.
allow me to be the first to say " ! ."
 
skoaner said:
Uhh, it's been well documented that it is not likely for a man to contract aids from an infected woman during unprotected sex. He would have to have an open sore.

It's also been well documented that Magic Johnson wasn't banging dudes when he contracted HIV.
 
Not to sound cruel-hearted...but I kind of agree. People HAVE to die somehow. It's competition and natural selection, etc--and that's life. We're an animal species (just like the dinosaurs) and we can become extinct, too. We hardly have the resources to adequately care for the people that are alive right now. When you can cure everything, it'll make it tougher for the population as a whole to survive in the long run.
 
boilerbeast said:
Not to sound cruel-hearted...but I kind of agree. People HAVE to die somehow. It's competition and natural selection, etc--and that's life. We're an animal species (just like the dinosaurs) and we can become extinct, too. We hardly have the resources to adequately care for the people that are alive right now. When you can cure everything, it'll make it tougher for the population as a whole to survive in the long run.

See, I feel like overpopulation is a political issue, not a health care issue. I don't think medicine should be limited by these concerns. Leave worrying about overpopulation to the politicians...
 
boilerbeast said:
Not to sound cruel-hearted...but I kind of agree. People HAVE to die somehow. It's competition and natural selection, etc--and that's life. We're an animal species (just like the dinosaurs) and we can become extinct, too. We hardly have the resources to adequately care for the people that are alive right now. When you can cure everything, it'll make it tougher for the population as a whole to survive in the long run.

You need to do some reading on the link between health and development. While better health is a byproduct of development, development is also a byproduct of improved health. If AIDS were eliminated, many countries would have unprecedented economic growth, fueld by an increase in international investment. Right now, companies do not invest in countries with sick populations. Furthermore, it's not the population as a whole that has problems surviving; it's the poor population. If you are worried about too many of them not dying, there's still malaria, TB, malnutrition, and polio. I'm not trying to be overly critical, but you should try to have a little more sympathy for the human cause. If you want to do a little bit of reading on this, I recommend Amartya Sen's Development as Freedom, and Jeffery Sach's 2001 report on the WHO Commission on Macroeconomics and Health, Macroeconomics and Health: Investing in Health for Economic Development.
 
boilerbeast said:
Not to sound cruel-hearted...but I kind of agree. People HAVE to die somehow. It's competition and natural selection, etc--and that's life. We're an animal species (just like the dinosaurs) and we can become extinct, too. We hardly have the resources to adequately care for the people that are alive right now. When you can cure everything, it'll make it tougher for the population as a whole to survive in the long run.

They have made this argument before, I think in some public health class. There has always been many severe diseases that would check the population. Bubonic plague, etc. Small pox, then it became vaccinated. Then AIDS.
 
icecream4me said:
Not that I'm not a proponent of curing AIDS but...

A doctor at my hospital gave a seminar once on population control in the world, and stated that once a cure for AIDS is definite, the world is not necessarily equipped nor able to sustain the sudden increase in survival rates (in addition to the normal logarithmic growth of the population).

Just some food for thought 🙂

This is accepted scientific truth, although beit extremely pessimistic, there are natural pathogenic and social influences which keep human populations in check. It is nothing more than theory in practice, and shouldn't be taken as dogma or justification for disease, and should definitely not be used to think our struggles are pointless.

If a society grows too powerful, other societies will strive to break it into pieces - like the roman empire. Or, too much human contact provides breading ground for pathogens and illnesses - like aids. If we do have the cure for aids, this is an amazing victory for the human race. Now we should work toward curing heart disease, cancer, the flu, m.s., diabetes, etc..

Call it the driving force for innovation, progress, or evolution. It's the nature we live in and deal with generation after generation. We are not gods and cannot outgrow the world which created us.
 
Jeez people. No need to jump all over icecream4me. She's not saying that she doesn't want a cure for AIDS. But think about what she is saying. It is an interesting point of view. How many times do we hear that the world is already over populated? We can't care for all the people who deserve food and shelter and medical care right now. The AIDS epidemic is helping keep the population under control. But then again, you could also say that people will become healthier and work more, and economies will be able to deal with the increased poplulation. Who knows. But seriously, y'all need to be more *open-minded* instead of immediately saying something is a stupid idea.
 
I think what people take alarm at is a tone of complacency. We are applying to become doctors to what, be complacent with disease? I don't think so.

- "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free... it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson.
 
tinkerbelle said:
Jeez people. No need to jump all over icecream4me. She's not saying that she doesn't want a cure for AIDS. But think about what she is saying. It is an interesting point of view. How many times do we hear that the world is already over populated? We can't care for all the people who deserve food and shelter and medical care right now. The AIDS epidemic is helping keep the population under control. But then again, you could also say that people will become healthier and work more, and economies will be able to deal with the increased poplulation. Who knows. But seriously, y'all need to be more *open-minded* instead of immediately saying something is a stupid idea.

We CAN care for, clothe, feed, and shelter every person on this planet. Technology advances such as nitrogen fixation for fertilizer, use of machines for harvest and production, and electricity generation among many others have made this possible. However, people, like most animals, look after themselves and their direct interests first --you don't see an acorn bank for squirrels who run out of food in the middle of the winter. While this isn't wrong in itself, it just creates an environment where people in a rich country (e.g. the USA) spend more for cable TV in a year than people in a poor country (e.g. Ethiopia) need to survive. Another striking example of the distribution of resources is people in rich countries gorge themselves to the point where they need surgery to physically shrink their stomach while some in poor countries are malnourished to the point that the muscle lining their stomach wastes away such that their internal organs cause their belly to bulge out. Even in countries which are desperately poor, foreign aid is plentiful enough to cover immediate needs but is misallocated (Clinton invading Somalia was to disrupt the use of food stores for political purposes).

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hey you gotta still get lifelong treatment for AIDS you aren't cured you still have the disease its just held in check. So much for the return to the swinging sixtees
 
skoaner said:
Uhh, it's been well documented that it is not likely for a man to contract aids from an infected woman during unprotected sex. He would have to have an open sore.

First off, in countries where AIDS is worst, many men do have open sores (due to other STDs or other diseases, lack of clean water, etc.), and therefore transmission is not uncommon from woman to man. Even in the US where most men don't have this problem, plenty of men have managed to get HIV from a woman. Seriously, would you want to take the chance? (I don't mean you are serious about having unprotected sex, but it's really not a good idea to go around saying stuff like this because people will believe you)
 
skoaner said:
We CAN care for, clothe, feed, and shelter every person on this planet.

Ok, fine. We can care for everyone. But we don't.
 
icecream4me said:
Not that I'm not a proponent of curing AIDS but...

A doctor at my hospital gave a seminar once on population control in the world, and stated that once a cure for AIDS is definite, the world is not necessarily equipped nor able to sustain the sudden increase in survival rates (in addition to the normal logarithmic growth of the population).

Just some food for thought 🙂

Doctors and future doctors must face the fact that by alleviating human suffering and extending people's lives we are aiding in the damaging of the environment by humans (and don't forget about where medical & lab equipment, the power for medical devices, etc etc, comes from).
 
Perhaps the most effective way to stem the AIDS crisis in Africa would be to make sure women have jobs and are paid reasonably well (relative to the population as a whole). Since women are subverted by men they are forced to do manual labor or other jobs the men chose not to do for little pay. To subsidise their miniscule income and provide food for their family it is common for women to sell their sexual services --if you could make a day's wage by sleeping with one guy you'd do it too.
 
MD Rapper said:
Do you really like Omaha that much?

Nope. It's way too cold out here.

I want to go to California, hopefully.
 
tinkerbelle said:
Jeez people. No need to jump all over icecream4me. She's not saying that she doesn't want a cure for AIDS. But think about what she is saying. It is an interesting point of view. How many times do we hear that the world is already over populated? We can't care for all the people who deserve food and shelter and medical care right now. The AIDS epidemic is helping keep the population under control. But then again, you could also say that people will become healthier and work more, and economies will be able to deal with the increased poplulation. Who knows. But seriously, y'all need to be more *open-minded* instead of immediately saying something is a stupid idea.

Over populated is a matter of opinion, poorly managed resources is a matter of fact-which probably to some is debatable.
Now, onto AIDs:
HIV infection as population control:
False. Or at least very ineffective. Population control starts with family planning clinics and the like, with the goal being for a society to reach "replacement rates" of approx 1.5 children per couple. Now there are Scandanavian countries who actually have had a negative population growth.
Now the population pyramid:
For developing countries, there is a reasonable part of the population in the "most productive" segment (18-35), with decreasing numbers as you get older, and the bulk under 5. This is due to survivability rates. Childhood illness kills off some, so they don't survive to be 18, then accidents, violence, illness take some more, leaving very few to survive to 60. Especially considering that there has been a decrease in life expectancy for some Sub-Sahara African countries. (it would be easier w/ graphs, sorry).
In the developed world, once children began to survive past five, people started to have less kids. Call it a "market correction." It was something that was natural, b/c there was less need for 13 kids in the hopes that 4 survive to adulthood. Developing nations aren't there yet.

Okay back to the fact that in Sub-saharan africa especially, AIDs is affecting those most productive in society. There is a huge lack of skilled labors, and also a growing fear among some companies on why train some one who's probably going to die in a few years then will need to be replaced, so the technical jobs get outsourced. These people contribute to the burden of disease by calling out sick, using up benefits (if available), which decreases the economic productivity of a country. This group also tends to make up the majority of consumer purchases, and not working (due to the AIDs related illness), they increase their debt & decrease saving. In effect, AIDs is collapsing the economies and the structure of many countries.

HIV/AIDs lowers fertility. True, but not enough that infected individuals are infertile, they can still have children.

In developing countries, social security programs for the aged are non-existent or poorly managed. So when the older generation stops working, their children care for them. B/c of AIDs epidemic, now many of the older generation are having to go back to work (much of which is unskilled labor), and also care for their sick now adult child.
AIDs orphans. No population control here. These are children orphaned b/c they have HIV, or one or both of their parents died from AIDs. In the case of a single orphan, the surviving parent may have abandoned them to an orphanage or left them with relatives. Conditions in these environments lend themselves to exploitation.

Now, the children whose parents are HIV positive, drop out of school b/c there is no money to pay school fees and buy the medicine, or in the case of the elder child, there is no one else to look after their sick parent. These children often engage in risk behaviors themselves b/c of the stress associated with their parents. Some girls (young, like 12) become more or less the girlfriends of older men who pay their school fees. (this is mainly in sub-Saharan Africa).
Sorry if this doesn't read well, and seems scattered, but I hope it gets the point across.

I second the recommendation of Sen's Development as Freedom, and maybe Infections and Inequalities by Paul Farmer, there are lots of other books, but they may be a bit more technical than you'd prefer.
 
boilerbeast said:
Not to sound cruel-hearted...but I kind of agree. People HAVE to die somehow. It's competition and natural selection, etc--and that's life. We're an animal species (just like the dinosaurs) and we can become extinct, too. We hardly have the resources to adequately care for the people that are alive right now. When you can cure everything, it'll make it tougher for the population as a whole to survive in the long run.

Just out of curiosity... are you applying to medical school? if yes, why? and what do you plan to do with your degree?
 
🙁 Why become a physician with the view that diseases are a viable means of population control?Maybe politics may be a better carreer choice :idea: ?Then you may advocate for war as a means of population control! 😡
 
hotlikebutter said:
documented where? in a country that denies there is a AIDS epidemic maybe.
AIDS in Africa and Asia is mostly transmitted by heterosexuals.

but you are right in terms of the chances of HIV infection rates, viruses are highly unstable. but come on, even 1/1000 is still high enough for me to wrap it up before i slap it up. also, it would have to depend alot on the viral load of the individual. right at the time of conversion, the chances are low, but once those lymphocytes start dying off you are playing Russian roulette. correct me if im wrong, its been a while since my last STD class.

Actually, people who have recently contracted the virus, from time of exposure to up to a few months post exposure are considered to have Acute HIV. While antibody levels may be too low to detect, the amount of virus is very high, before eventually dropping, and then later again rising as one progresses to AIDS.
 
thats great news!!! now all we need is a cure for pregnancy and parte!!!!
 
Cat's Meow said:
This is good news!

But your response is immature at best 👎

AIDS isn't the only consequence of unprotected sex, dude.

So.... just out of curiousity... How long has that stick been stuck internally? Is it a source of chronic infection? Man, I bet hospital visits are annoying, seeing as though all the med students are anxious to meet you, as they've never seen such a case first hand. If only they knew that several of their residents likely quietly existed with said illness. Good luck, I hope they find a cure for your bebilitating illness soon! :luck:

Levity... I like the way the word rolls off of the tongue, lev-i-ty, say it with me now my little ***** cat

AJ
 
stoic said:
bottom line is that everyone should be wearing condoms for casual sex, no matter their gender or sexual orientation.

period.
QUOTE]

Well THAT takes the fun out of it. I'm a staunch believer that sailors are the only demographic with a true need for profalactics, just my opinion.

AJ
 
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