This board puzzles me.

[jhtran]

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It is beyond obvious that members (informed or not) always hijack the thread and make it a playground for their own vendetta.

Only a handful of people here are med students, and even fewer are Australian med students, and probably none actually go to the school they are talking about. I believe it is accurate to say that unless you are a current student at a specific medical school, everything you claim is "hear-say" and is just a comment (this goes for all admission programs such as medepaths and oztrekk).

Why? Because they have to contact the school, talk to the same person, and ask the same question as if we're to ask ourselves. This is NOT to disregard everything claimed, but as successful students, we must discern the facts from the hype, and only use information which are based on solid proof and relevant to us.

No medical school (US or foreign) actually spoon-feed you the USMLE. Yes, all the information is presented, but it is up to you to study and memorize the material, hence go above and beyond the "requirement" of passing a class.

To be honest, the ONLY person so far who has any bit of credential is shan564, who actually is attending an Australian med school and is planning to go back to the US. Even I don't claim to know anything, except what was answered to me by UQ (the actual coordinator) and Ochsner (program director).

-jhtran

 

[Acheron]

It is beyond obvious that members (informed or not) always hijack the thread and make it a playground for their own vendetta.

Only a handful of people here are med students, and even fewer are Australian med students, and probably none actually go to the school they are talking about. I believe it is accurate to say that unless you are a current student at a specific medical school, everything you claim is "hear-say" and is just a comment (this goes for all admission programs such as medepaths and oztrekk).

Why? Because they have to contact the school, talk to the same person, and ask the same question as if we're to ask ourselves. This is NOT to disregard everything claimed, but as successful students, we must discern the facts from the hype, and only use information which are based on solid proof and relevant to us.

No medical school (US or foreign) actually spoon-feed you the USMLE. Yes, all the information is presented, but it is up to you to study and memorize the material, hence go above and beyond the "requirement" of passing a class.

To be honest, the ONLY person so far who has any bit of credential is shan564, who actually is attending an Australian med school and is planning to go back to the US. Even I don't claim to know anything, except what was answered to me by UQ (the actual coordinator) and Ochsner (program director).

-jhtran

I agree with what you're saying but this is an internet forum. Anybody who is considering applying to medical school should know not to take everything posted on here as 100% fact and to double check any information that doesn't have a link to a credible source.

I do find it annoying when people just make stuff up and post it as though it is fact.

 

[amad99]

It is beyond obvious that members (informed or not) always hijack the thread and make it a playground for their own vendetta.

Only a handful of people here are med students, and even fewer are Australian med students, and probably none actually go to the school they are talking about. I believe it is accurate to say that unless you are a current student at a specific medical school, everything you claim is "hear-say" and is just a comment (this goes for all admission programs such as medepaths and oztrekk).

Why? Because they have to contact the school, talk to the same person, and ask the same question as if we're to ask ourselves. This is NOT to disregard everything claimed, but as successful students, we must discern the facts from the hype, and only use information which are based on solid proof and relevant to us.

No medical school (US or foreign) actually spoon-feed you the USMLE. Yes, all the information is presented, but it is up to you to study and memorize the material, hence go above and beyond the "requirement" of passing a class.

To be honest, the ONLY person so far who has any bit of credential is shan564, who actually is attending an Australian med school and is planning to go back to the US. Even I don't claim to know anything, except what was answered to me by UQ (the actual coordinator) and Ochsner (program director).

-jhtran

I've roamed this forum for a while and I agree with you all the way!

 

[Alphonsine]

Which specific person are you talking about?

Redshiftkey is a really good poster. His posts are always very informative and he's a very patient person. And he's an actual doctor who graduated from an Australian medical school to boot.

Shan is my classmate . He can vouch for my authenticity since we know each other quite well.

As for the education - no school spoonfeeds you USMLE stuff - the best quote I've heard all year! Thank you!! It's so true. Just like no school spoon feeds you MCAT or the SAT/ACT material. It's the same thing with USMLE except medicine is even broader than the material you learned in high school or undergraduate college so it's more impossible to spoon feed. Your best bet is to get a good medical education first of all - that way you can pass any test.

 

[shan564]

Thanks for the props, and yes, Alphonsine is also a USyd student who's planning on going to the US.

Also, redshift is definitely more useful than I am. He went through the full 6-yr undergrad medical course here, and now he's actually a real doctor.

 

[Transition]

This thread just seems like an over generalization

If you're going to say that people are making unwarranted or baseless comments, then perhaps provide some evidence of said misconduct?

I agree with you on a lot of points, but it's strange that you make a thread specifically to ask why people post without facts, but don't back it up?

Also, what exactly are you adding to this board with this thread other than flaming other members?

And yes, I agree with others that redshift is particularly useful. Props to him for all the help!

 

[jhtran]

Thank you all for pointing out other credible members like Alphonsine and Redshift. Props to them too.

Transition, I have considered posting names, but that would not be very professional and constructive on my part. Also, if you check my other threads, I have always added valid URL's to my claim, except those made over the phone.

I am not flaming anyone, just "puzzled". Please show me exactly where I have offended you, or anyone for that matter, and I will immediately remove that section. This thread is purely to raise awareness in the community as a whole.

Regarding my props to Shane, I honestly did not know about other members who are equally qualified at that moment. Thanks for pointing that out. I admit, I am on the unqualified list, and so is everyone else that is not actively attending or an alumni of an Aus school.

jhtran

 

[Transition]

Thank you all for pointing out other credible members like Alphonsine and Redshift. Props to them too.

Transition, I have considered posting names, but that would not be very professional and constructive on my part. Also, if you check my other threads, I have always added valid URL's to my claim, except those made over the phone.

I am not flaming anyone, just "puzzled". Please show me exactly where I have offended you, or anyone for that matter, and I will immediately remove that section. This thread is purely to raise awareness in the community as a whole.

Regarding my props to Shane, I honestly did not know about other members who are equally qualified at that moment. Thanks for pointing that out. I admit, I am on the unqualified list, and so is everyone else that is not actively attending or an alumni of an Aus school.

jhtran

Isn't this thread inherently unprofessional? You're making generalizations by saying that no one is qualified or credible unless they meet your specific, yet arbitrary, criteria. By saying that there is only one, two or three people on this board that are credible, you are removing any proper weight from the other posters. What about people like pitman, winged_scapula or pollux? They have, from my readings, always provided extraordinary amounts of information with proper citations or, at the least, logical arguments.

You have not offended me. I don't get offended from random posters on an anonymous internet forum. So, don't worry about that. The thing is, you created this thread to specifically talk about other posters, but you provided no context or evidence. That is the very context within which flame wars on forums begin. This thread has nothing to do with medicine, studying in Australia or anything relevant therein. It seems, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you simply created this to debase the majority of the posting population here.

What was your purpose if you're unwilling to back up your claims? What were you hoping to discuss here?

In my opinion, if you see someone posting incorrect information, you should correct it with evidence or logic. There's no need to create threads like this.

 

[jhtran]

OK, this will be my last reply on this matter. Yes, I agree that this is a public forum, and props to you for your ability to keep your cool. You have bested many other people.

It seems to be that this thread itself is becoming "those threads" which will inevitably turn into a a giant argument (or call it whatever you wish) that will engulf a majority of this forum.

- jhtran

 

[Transition]

OK, this will be my last reply on this matter. Yes, I agree that this is a public forum, and props to you for your ability to keep your cool. You have bested many other people.

It seems to be that this thread itself is becoming "those threads" which will inevitably turn into a a giant argument (or call it whatever you wish) that will engulf a majority of this forum.

- jhtran

So, let's get this straight
1) You make a thread flaming other posters
2) Someone calls you out on how you're doing this without any specific references
3) You say you're done because it's turning into an "argument", even though it clearly isn't (you were simply asked to back up your accusations)

Shows how credible you yourself are.

This is not going to 'take over the board' as you so put it. It's confined to a single thread. You created it, so let's discuss it. Back up your claims or don't accuse others of not doing so.

Speaking of which, you want to start off on talking about unprofessional conduct? How about this lovely quote from jhtran's UQ/Ochsner Program Information thread?

I'm Jon from HOUSTON, TEXAS!!

From what's gathered through out my research about the UQ, the school it self is great.

However, A LOT of the complaints come from students who find the traditional UQ program (ie not UQ/O) inadequate for the USMLE prep.

Please post URLs and your CONSTRUCTIVE opinions regarding this program, not about your personal pathetic life.

jhtran

"personal pathetic life"... nice way to foster discussion

 

[shan564]

I think we need to keep in mind that most of the people who read this forum are people who don't actually post. A thread like this is only confusing to them. It might be better to avoid letting this devolve into another of the many ego battles that normally plague every Internet forum.

 

[Transition]

I agree with you shan

Hopefully that's the end of useless threads, unwarranted accusations and baseless claims... at least one can wish for such things.

 

[tinman831]

Calling out other members on the forums is not permitted as stated in SDN's terms of service. Please refrain from posting names and accusing other members. Thank you.

 

[JanikeyDoc]

Its unwise to use the information on an anonymous board like SDN to make big life decisions. A word to the wise: if you are unsure about Australia, get on a plane here and see what life is like. The money you spend will be a trickle compared to coming here, not liking it, and plunging yourself several thousand dollars in debt.

As I said, come to Australia to see if you might like it. Visit the schools, talk to students.

 

[shan564]

Its unwise to use the information on an anonymous board like SDN to make big life decisions. A word to the wise: if you are unsure about Australia, get on a plane here and see what life is like. The money you spend will be a trickle compared to coming here, not liking it, and plunging yourself several thousand dollars in debt.

As I said, come to Australia to see if you might like it. Visit the schools, talk to students.

That's reasonable advice, but it's only plausible for a person who can afford it. Different people have different priorities depending on their own financial situation and their own preferences.

In my case, I'd rather go to a place and "not like it" than spend a few thousand dollars on a plane ticket just to check it out. I realize that it's probably better to invest the money than to be miserable for four years, but most of us aren't really all that picky about where we live. Nobody deludes themselves to say that Sydney is the world's best place to live, but I've also never met anybody who was genuinely unhappy with life here.

 

[driedcaribou]

This thread just seems like an over generalization

If you're going to say that people are making unwarranted or baseless comments, then perhaps provide some evidence of said misconduct?

Most opinions expressing a view of an entire group are generalizations by default so I do not see a problem with this thread at all.

I used to volunteer my time here as an advisor as a way of giving back
to all the valuable help I received on this forum when I was a medical student.

I stopped posting when I got frustrated with the amount of people who would
try to give advice as an authority when they had not experienced or have
even gotten beyond the level they were trying to advise.

Why would any athlete listen to a coach who never played their sport and was merely a diehard fan?

Speculation and negativity are rife on this part of the forum now.
Why? I do not know.

This forum will always be valuable to someone who knows absolutely nothing.
It's just a matter of how you filter the information. It's just like reading the newspaper. You just have to know the source of the information.

I agree with jhtran wholeheartedly.

A lot of the good information was written here several years ago and the same information still stands.

What I add to what was written before is the following:

1. You cannot predict or plan based on the global economy and workforce demands.

and

2. People change, goals change, life changes.

and

3. Be happy. It's your life.

Honestly, read the threads by KimberliCox.

She went to a med school in South Australia and she made it back to the US and look, she's an attending now doing surgery.

A fair number of my peers all went to the US and Canada and got competitive jobs at competitive hospitals.

Look I don't think jhtran was trying to rock the boat. This section of Student Doctor has really degraded. There is not any need for people to
attack each other.

As for the comment regarding USMLEs. I have to disagree. Although schools do not spoon feed you the material, the LCME schools teach based on that curriculum. Australian schools do not. The material they teach at some
of the Graduate Programs lack in breadth for the first 2 years.

Even the Undergraduate Programs are beginning to get 'watered down'.

But can you succeed in the USMLE going to an Australian school?

Yes. Just do what I did. Go to the main forum and do what everyone else does when it comes to studying. It's a lot of hard work but you'll get a good score.

And at the end of the day, remember: It's just a score.

 

[Transition]

Most opinions expressing a view of an entire group are generalizations by default so I do not see a problem with this thread at all.

You don't see a problem with generalizations? In what context? You're picking your sides here. Either generalizations are good or they're bad. I merely asked jhtran to back up his supposed complaints. Yes, there are lots of people on this board that make things up for their own purposes (be it for fun or for lack of forethought), but there are also a lot of folks that are reasonable, smart, logical and forthright with disseminating useful information.

What I had a problem with was jhtran's accusations without any proof. If he has a problem with incorrect information, leave it in that thread and correct it. There's no need to create threads like this and single out individuals he deems as worthy of his stamp of credibility, as arbitrary as it may be. My arguments were presented to simply tease out exactly what his reasoning was in posting this rather ridiculous thread.

I used to volunteer my time here as an advisor as a way of giving back
to all the valuable help I received on this forum when I was a medical student.


I stopped posting when I got frustrated with the amount of people who would
try to give advice as an authority when they had not experienced or have
even gotten beyond the level they were trying to advise.

Why would any athlete listen to a coach who never played their sport and was merely a diehard fan?

Speculation and negativity are rife on this part of the forum now.
Why? I do not know.

The speculation and negativity are a good thing. People need to realize that Aus is not an open door any more and going back to the US or Canada are getting more and more difficult (increased local student numbers with same number residency spots). Add in the fact that Aus does not formally prepare you for the USMLE and you have cause for disaster.

This forum will always be valuable to someone who knows absolutely nothing.
It's just a matter of how you filter the information. It's just like reading the newspaper. You just have to know the source of the information.

Exactly. This is why I've asked jhtran to quote sources. This is just another one of 'those' threads without it. Although, I would argue that it deserved to be grouped into that category from the beginning.

I agree with jhtran wholeheartedly.

Unfortunate.

A lot of the good information was written here several years ago and the same information still stands.

What I add to what was written before is the following:

1. You cannot predict or plan based on the global economy and workforce demands.

and

2. People change, goals change, life changes.

and

3. Be happy. It's your life.

Honestly, read the threads by KimberliCox.

Which threads? There are dozens, if not hundreds, of posts by her. Furthermore, information, school standards and post-grad situations have changed. That information is good, but it's not good enough to base one's future on.

She went to a med school in South Australia and she made it back to the US and look, she's an attending now doing surgery.

A fair number of my peers all went to the US and Canada and got competitive jobs at competitive hospitals.

Like I said, the situation has and will be changing in the next few years.

Look I don't think jhtran was trying to rock the boat. This section of Student Doctor has really degraded. There is not any need for people to
attack each other.

I disagree about jhtran. The whole purpose of this thread was to rock the boat. Read his starting post. It singles out one poster and debases the rest. Read his UQ/Ochsner information thread, calling out individuals as having 'pathetic lives'. It's posters like these that have been the cause for degradation. And I completely agree, there is absolutely no need to attack people. This is simply a place to share information and opinions. I wish that people would keep it that way.

As for the comment regarding USMLEs. I have to disagree. Although schools do not spoon feed you the material, the LCME schools teach based on that curriculum. Australian schools do not. The material they teach at some
of the Graduate Programs lack in breadth for the first 2 years.

Even the Undergraduate Programs are beginning to get 'watered down'.

But can you succeed in the USMLE going to an Australian school?

Yes. Just do what I did. Go to the main forum and do what everyone else does when it comes to studying. It's a lot of hard work but you'll get a good score.

Completely agreed. The schools do not teach to the curriculum, but that does not mean it's impossible. Just tougher. My only question is, if you plan to stay or go back to the US, then why not go to the Carib in the first place? Your preclin years are meant to train you for the USMLE and you do your clerkships in the States. Plus, if you compare the cost (eg. UQ/Ochsner vs. SABA/Ross/SGU), there's no comparison in some circumstances. It just doesn't make much sense to go to Aus if your plan is to work in the US. The only real benefits are non-intrinsic; things like quality of life, perceived reputation, etc. This is my point of view at least. If someone feels the need to correct me, go ahead. I've been asking this for a few months now and the best response I've gotten was to shut up and mind my own business.

And at the end of the day, remember: It's just a score.

Completely disagree. It's a very, very important determinant in your future career if you plan to work in the US. It's far more than just a score. It's perhaps more important than any other score you've gotten in your life up to that point. It is the sole reason a residency director would look at you, the international applicant, over a local. Add in the decreasing number of spots for FMGs, along with recommendations to decrease FMG recruitment (Sheldon GF, 2003, Amer. J. Surg.) and you will need an even higher score than previous IMGs did.

In the end, all I have been asking is for people to provide a) evidence or b) logical arguments. jhtran is a poster that has done exactly the opposite, and this thread is an example of that.

 

[JanikeyDoc]

Only a ***** uses an anonymous posting board to make important life decisions. If you really want to know what Oz is like, get off your butt, go to the airport and fly here and see what life is like, go to campuses, talk to students and learn. My own opinion is that given the current financial environment in the US combined with new medical schools, its going to be hard to match into a residency as a foreign graduate in the near future, that and its getting harder for internationals to work in Australia due to increased seats in medical schools in this country.

 

[driedcaribou]

You don't see a problem with generalizations? In what context? You're picking your sides here. Either generalizations are good or they're bad.

No. There is no fight between the forces of good and evil with generalizations.
They are generalizations and you put them in a good or bad light.

Completely disagree. It's a very, very important determinant in your future career if you plan to work in the US.

If you need me to tell you which posts to look up then I can say you're just not motivated to look them up. I'm not here to hand hold and that's what you're looking for.

And yes, the score is a score. I'm basing my arguments on experience.
My two digit score was 99 on the USMLE. I have friends who have had lower who have matched into top insitutions in the US who have graduated from Australian Med Schools.
I have friends who have failed still gone onto residencies in the US.

You can quote as many papers as you want but if you don't use the data
appropriately, it's just data.

I quote experience. You can disregard all I wrote. It makes no difference to me. But your reply is precisely why I resigned as an advisor.

 

[Transition]

No. There is no fight between the forces of good and evil with generalizations.
They are generalizations and you put them in a good or bad light.

Which makes them either good, or makes them bad. I never once inferred any reference to the 'forces of good or evil'. I said that this thread is generalizing the posters of this forum into a group of idiots. That the OP was simply trolling an arbitrary opinion of who is good or who is bad with no specific references. That is a bad generalization.

If you need me to tell you which posts to look up then I can say you're just not motivated to look them up. I'm not here to hand hold and that's what you're looking for.

I never asked you to show me posts for information, I asked you for posts to back up your own claims. I don't need your information for anything. I'm fine on my own as I can do my own research. There are others on this forum that do not along with countless lurkers. Don't act as if you're some wonderful advisor that knows all about medical training in the US after Aus, no one is.

And yes, the score is a score. I'm basing my arguments on experience.
My two digit score was 99 on the USMLE. I have friends who have had lower who have matched into top insitutions in the US who have graduated from Australian Med Schools.
I have friends who have failed still gone onto residencies in the US.

You can quote as many papers as you want but if you don't use the data
appropriately, it's just data.

I quote experience. You can disregard all I wrote. It makes no difference to me. But your reply is precisely why I resigned as an advisor.

The problem is that your information is dated. Your 'experience' will mean nothing to those of us graduating in 4 years as the landscape of post-grad training is changing very quickly. Things are not going to be the same as they were in the past. You can quote all the anecdotal evidence you want, but the data speaks for itself. Personally, I would much rather trust peer-reviewed academic articles than the bemused anecdotes of a former SDN poster who complains about why he isn't bestowing his omnipotent advice upon us. You quote anecdotes... nothing more. Make sure you qualify it as such rather than as direct evidence of something that can be used for the broad populace. Only data from the source (NRMP, see the thread I just created) can and should be used to judge one's chances of residency.

 

[JanikeyDoc]

No. There is no fight between the forces of good and evil with generalizations.
They are generalizations and you put them in a good or bad light.




If you need me to tell you which posts to look up then I can say you're just not motivated to look them up. I'm not here to hand hold and that's what you're looking for.

And yes, the score is a score. I'm basing my arguments on experience.
My two digit score was 99 on the USMLE. I have friends who have had lower who have matched into top insitutions in the US who have graduated from Australian Med Schools.
I have friends who have failed still gone onto residencies in the US.

You can quote as many papers as you want but if you don't use the data
appropriately, it's just data.

I quote experience. You can disregard all I wrote. It makes no difference to me. But your reply is precisely why I resigned as an advisor.

The point is that you will have to do well on the exam to secure a residency at a top institution. You are not going to Mayo or Stanford with a barely passing USMLE score as an IMG. You make it sound as if going to the US is easy from Australia, my girlfriend is a physician in Sydney, I can tell you its not.

 

[Transition]

The point is that you will have to do well on the exam to secure a residency at a top institution. You are not going to Mayo or Stanford with a barely passing USMLE score as an IMG. You make it sound as if going to the US is easy from Australia, my girlfriend is a physician in Sydney, I can tell you its not.

Who cares about high end places like those. IMGs have almost zero chance there. In a few years, it'll be difficult to gain acceptance in even the low tiers.

 

[shan564]

You're not going to Mayo or Stanford with a barely passing score regardless of whether or not you're an IMG.

Nobody thinks it's easy to go back to the US; only an idiot would read these comments and get that impression.

 

[driedcaribou]

Who cares about high end places like those. IMGs have almost zero chance there. In a few years, it'll be difficult to gain acceptance in even the low tiers.

Incorrect.
Recent Sydney graduates have made it to Johns Hopkins and Brigham Women's and Children's.
Recent as in 2007 and 2008 graduates.

I really wish you people would stop posting about stuff you do not know at all.

Many have made it into top institutions.

 

[driedcaribou]

I never asked you to show me posts for information, I asked you for posts to back up your own claims. I don't need your information for anything. I'm fine on my own as I can do my own research. There are others on this forum that do not along with countless lurkers. Don't act as if you're some wonderful advisor that knows all about medical training in the US after Aus, no one is.

I am.

The end.

 

[driedcaribou]

Which makes them either good, or makes them bad. I never once inferred any reference to the 'forces of good or evil'.

Your English comprehension is off.

"Either generalizations are good or they're bad"

No. Generazations are generalizations.
And if you consider that they can be 'bad', you might mean that they are
'poor'. By saying they are 'bad', you are missing my joke that you are implying
an alignment to the generalization. Thus casting something in a 'bad' generalization makes it evil.

You are a medical student who has not made it to the other side.
You say the information is dated. Of course it is. All advice is by definition dated. However, is the advice relevant? Why yes, it is relevant.

The ones who have graduated from Sydney Uni and have 'made it' have all followed dated advice. You're a really angry and arrogant person. I think you should keep up the good work.

If anyone needs me you can private message me. I'm leaving this forum to trolls again.

 

[Transition]

Incorrect.
Recent Sydney graduates have made it to Johns Hopkins and Brigham Women's and Children's.
Recent as in 2007 and 2008 graduates.

I really wish you people would stop posting about stuff you do not know at all.

Many have made it into top institutions.

Recent SABA and SGU grads have done this too. You can't take a few and apply it to the whole. that's ridiculous. There was also a recent Flinders grad that matched into UT Derms, that doesn't mean it's feasible to apply to these programs.

And seriously? Don't know at all? Just because you've gone through it? The numbers speak for themselves buddy...

I am.

The end.

You should have ended it here.

Your English comprehension is off.

"Either generalizations are good or they're bad"

No. Generazations are generalizations.
And if you consider that they can be 'bad', you might mean that they are
'poor'. By saying they are 'bad', you are missing my joke that you are implying
an alignment to the generalization. Thus casting something in a 'bad' generalization makes it evil.

semantics...

I'm not even sure what the purpose of this argument is, so yeah, I'll give it to you. You win. Yay for you! Wooooo!

You are a medical student who has not made it to the other side.
You say the information is dated. Of course it is. All advice is by definition dated. However, is the advice relevant? Why yes, it is relevant.

The ones who have graduated from Sydney Uni and have 'made it' have all followed dated advice. You're a really angry and arrogant person. I think you should keep up the good work.

If anyone needs me you can private message me. I'm leaving this forum to trolls again.

So, just like jhtran, you come on here, post things without evidence or arguing your own self-worth and then promptly buzz off when questioned about it. Sure, great way to argue.

I'll give you that I'm probably erring on the side of arrogance, but angry? When have I displayed anger? It's not like you can exactly see emotions through a msg board... or maybe you can? You must be related to that kid on Heroes that can talk to computers!

The fact is, and this is up to the ability for the reader to interpret the information, that the landscape for post-grad medical training is changing. Yes, your advice is relevant in an anecdotal manner. For that, I'm sure everyone thanks you. For generalizations, it is less so. The number of internationals getting internships in the next few years will see a drastic drop. This is for Aus. The number of internationals gaining residency in the US in the next few years and the last few has seen a drastic drop and will continue to do so. The only place that is opening up is Canada, but that's not saying much (going from 5% match rates to 15%).

So, I guess you've left now, which is a loss to these boards, but frankly, I don't see how your recent posts added much in the first place. Just like this thread.

 

[driedcaribou]

Recent SABA and SGU grads have done this too. You can't take a few and apply it to the whole. that's ridiculous. There was also a recent Flinders grad that matched into UT Derms, that doesn't mean it's feasible to apply to these programs.

And seriously? Don't know at all? Just because you've gone through it? The numbers speak for themselves buddy...

I actually find this entertaining.

For one thing, you add 'buddy' at the end.
You're obviously angry because adding buddy isn't contributing to your point.

The numbers do speak for themselves because all of the US citizens in my cohort managed to go back to the US including some non-US citizens.

How is that for numbers?

semantics...

I'm not even sure what the purpose of this argument is, so yeah, I'll give it to you. You win. Yay for you! Wooooo!

It is about semantics.

You argue as an authority but in reality, you are the blind leading the blind
and I think it is mis-representing yourself to pretend to know what to do
and advise people that way.

As for me saying I am an 'expert' I was sarcastic.
How do you expect me to answer when you question my
genuine intent to help others?

post things without evidence or arguing your own self-worth and then promptly buzz off when questioned about it. Sure, great way to argue.

You use informal language which further indicates your anger in this.

Yes, I suppose you have won because I have come back just to reply to your
frustrated post.

I have given plenty of evidence. You have given plenty of conjecture
and hypotheses.

I'll give you that I'm probably erring on the side of arrogance, but angry? When have I displayed anger? It's not like you can exactly see emotions through a msg board... or maybe you can? You must be related to that kid on Heroes that can talk to computers!

Then you bring up irrelevant comparisons to try to appeal to my credibility

So, I guess you've left now, which is a loss to these boards, but frankly, I don't see how your recent posts added much in the first place. Just like this thread.

I don't see how any of your posts add anything other than pure speculation and misintepretation of statistics.

The bottom line is this: You have no idea what you are going on about and you are in no position to advise anyone about anything.

I suppose I have no right either except the difference is I am on the other side.

Would you listen to a high school student about how to get into University or would you speak to a University Graduate working at a company?

 

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I actually find this entertaining.

For one thing, you add 'buddy' at the end.
You're obviously angry because adding buddy isn't contributing to your point.

The numbers do speak for themselves because all of the US citizens in my cohort managed to go back to the US including some non-US citizens.

How is that for numbers?

Haha, me saying 'buddy' is an obvious indication of anger? Really? Come one now...

Yeah, but I'm also guessing every international that wanted to stay in Aus was able to gain internship. If you want to argue this, there's a thread I created for it. Maybe post there and maybe point out if I'm misinterpreting IMG recruitment numbers? I'd be happy to be proven wrong. That's only good for me.

It is about semantics.

You argue as an authority but in reality, you are the blind leading the blind
and I think it is mis-representing yourself to pretend to know what to do
and advise people that way.

As for me saying I am an 'expert' I was sarcastic.
How do you expect me to answer when you question my
genuine intent to help others?

What help have you provided in your last few posts? Really? By agreeing with the troll that created this thread? That's my point, that this thread has added nothing and continues to do so. Your agreeing with it has just furthered that.

If you want to call my interpretations blind, go ahead. But back it up. There's a thread I created just for this. You haven't posted in that yet, but I invite you to.

You use informal language which further indicates your anger in this.

Yes, I suppose you have won because I have come back just to reply to your
frustrated post.

I have given plenty of evidence. You have given plenty of conjecture
and hypotheses.

Right back at ya. No anger on my part, more curiosity. Ball's in your court. I've provided references that are not anecdotal. What about you?

Then you bring up irrelevant comparisons to try to appeal to my credibility

Then don't interpret people's emotions with no information... go ahead and argue that I'm angry all you want, but I'll tell you now, there's no anger on my part. I'm just here to get and share information like the others and so far, I've been happy to do so. Who are you to tell me what my emotions are based on your interpretations of my use of language?

I don't see how any of your posts add anything other than pure speculation and misintepretation of statistics.

Prove me wrong! What is wrong with people on this board? They have no problem saying that 'you are wrong' or 'those numbers are wrong' but provide no arguments for it. Come on...

The bottom line is this: You have no idea what you are going on about and you are in no position to advise anyone about anything.

I suppose I have no right either except the difference is I am on the other side.

Would you listen to a high school student about how to get into University or would you speak to a University Graduate working at a company?

It just sounds to me like you're arguing your own self-worth. Feeding your own ego. I'll commend you thoroughly for going through the process and doing so successfully. You're obviously an intelligent, dynamic individual, but your circumstances are very different from our own. I wish they weren't, but they just are. Like I said, your advice is relevant anecdotally, but for generalizing, you need to look at the numbers. The NRMP data speaks to this.

Ok, so, that's it. Do you think we could move this discussion to the relevant thread now? The original purpose of my argument was to ask others to not feed the troll (the OP). It's moved into other topics now.

 

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Incorrect.
Recent Sydney graduates have made it to Johns Hopkins and Brigham Women's and Children's.
Recent as in 2007 and 2008 graduates.

I really wish you people would stop posting about stuff you do not know at all.

Many have made it into top institutions.

The exception to the rule only proves the rule. MOST IMG/FMG's don't make it into competitive specialities or competitive Academically affiliated residency programs.

 

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Thanks guys I'm getting a warm fuzzy feeling inside 🙂