This is the way it should be.

[toughlife]

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http://www.connpost.com/ci_6621932?source=most_emailed


A good CRNA is a supervised one.

 

[bullard]

"A nurse for 17 years before going back to school for her CRNA, Nunno, 39, graduated from the CRNA program at the Hospital of St. Raphael's in New Haven in 2006, earning a master's degree in biological science/anesthesia. The Milford resident said she became interested in the specialty while working as a nurse in St. Vincent's intensive care unit. The training she got was similar to a doctor's residency, she said.

"It's very intense. We do on-call and work many hours," she explained. "It's a great clinical experience at St. Raphael's. The first year was just academics to get my master's then 17 months of clinical training and testing for boards.""

Um...yeah.

 

[bigdan]

I posted a very kind and PC clarification about the residency differences between CRNA and MD in the "Post a comment" section of the article.

Our buddy Zwerling (sp?) also left a comment; perhaps others will want to leave one too.

dc

 

[lvspro]

Maybe we should mail the link to someone in our leadership. A firm reply to Zwerlings response seems to be in order.

 

[toughlife]

"A nurse for 17 years before going back to school for her CRNA, Nunno, 39, graduated from the CRNA program at the Hospital of St. Raphael's in New Haven in 2006, earning a master's degree in biological science/anesthesia. The Milford resident said she became interested in the specialty while working as a nurse in St. Vincent's intensive care unit. The training she got was similar to a doctor's residency, she said.

"It's very intense. We do on-call and work many hours," she explained. "It's a great clinical experience at St. Raphael's. The first year was just academics to get my master's then 17 months of clinical training and testing for boards.""

Um...yeah.

As usual, they always twist facts around to deceive the public. The closest thing they have to a residency training is taking orders from a resident.

 

[jeesapeesa]

Why doesn't anybody publish an article (written by practicining anesthesiologists) geared towards a large public audience in say...the NY/LA Times, Time Magazine, etc concerning the truth about the specialty and this whole MD/CRNA thing? I mean, those magazines have "health/lifestyle/business" sections, and I'm sure it can reach a wide array of readers from different backgrounds.

 

[BlackSails]

You also might try contributing to wikipedia.

 

[W222]

I did a google search and it turns out that Zwerling is affiliated with Fox Chase Cancer Center in Philly. I am wondering how any self-respecting MD could work with this guy on a regular basis. Considering his recent comments regarding CRNA=MD, I wonder how his co-workers feel about him? I personally would make the guys life a living hell at work, he would be relegated to drawing up meds and then told to leave the room.

 

[Planktonmd]

I did a google search and it turns out that Zwerling is affiliated with Fox Chase Cancer Center in Philly. I am wondering how any self-respecting MDA could work with this guy on a regular basis. Considering his recent comments regarding CRNA=MDA, I wonder how his co-workers feel about him? I personally would make the guys life a living hell at work, he would be relegated to drawing up meds and then told to leave the room.

Please stop using the Acronym: MDA !!!!

 

[jwk]

http://www.connpost.com/ci_6621932?source=most_emailed


A good CRNA is a supervised one.

It's really funny - this article is driving the CRNA's absolutely nuts. They hate it.

 

[core0]

http://www.connpost.com/ci_6621932?source=most_emailed


A good CRNA is a supervised one.

This was posted:
"I am a retired (this year) anesthesiologist from the US Airforce. I am disgusted by the comments made here both by my colleagues in the private world and those in the military. They are absolutely false.

These negative comments about CRNAs are driven by greedy people who are afraid that they will lose money if CRNAs are proven capable of replacing them. Which, btw, they are.

My arrogant and money hungry colleagues neglect to mention that there is absolutely NO proof behind anything they say, in fact, its the contrary. There have been 4 major studies done 2 old, 2 recent which have shown there is NO difference in mortality rate between Anesthesiologists and CRNAs. My friends who are not in the forces (or plan to leave soon) are more than willing to slander a provider who has proven to be their equivalent.

After being an anesthesiologist for near 40 years and working with CRNAs for that entire time, I can say with absolute confidence that CRNAs provider excellent care on par with their physician counterparts. I remember a time when I was an intern, that Nurses could "NEVER" do 70% of the things they can now do in hospitals. Cries of "they will kill patients", "they will make horrible judgment calls" and "there will be bad outcomes" were made.... until, of course these things were no longer profitable for physicians to do them.

As times change and healthcare evolves it means a greater role for providers such as CRNAs. They have proven their safety regardless of the propaganda you have read here.

I am embarrassed and disgusted by my physician colleagues who have posted here using "fear mongering" to protect their own bank accounts. How far we have fallen from the days of the TV doctor Kildare (which wasent far from reality at the time).

Im sad for my own profession as the Hippocratic oath appears to have been replaced by the "mighty dollar" oath.

K. Crozer MD BG USAF ret."

Googling the name prodcues nothing. Medline has no record of an author name Crozer. Is this person a member of ASA? I thought impersonating an officer was a crime?

 

[toughlife]

This was posted:
"I am a retired (this year) anesthesiologist from the US Airforce. I am disgusted by the comments made here both by my colleagues in the private world and those in the military. They are absolutely false.

These negative comments about CRNAs are driven by greedy people who are afraid that they will lose money if CRNAs are proven capable of replacing them. Which, btw, they are.

My arrogant and money hungry colleagues neglect to mention that there is absolutely NO proof behind anything they say, in fact, its the contrary. There have been 4 major studies done 2 old, 2 recent which have shown there is NO difference in mortality rate between Anesthesiologists and CRNAs. My friends who are not in the forces (or plan to leave soon) are more than willing to slander a provider who has proven to be their equivalent.

After being an anesthesiologist for near 40 years and working with CRNAs for that entire time, I can say with absolute confidence that CRNAs provider excellent care on par with their physician counterparts. I remember a time when I was an intern, that Nurses could "NEVER" do 70% of the things they can now do in hospitals. Cries of "they will kill patients", "they will make horrible judgment calls" and "there will be bad outcomes" were made.... until, of course these things were no longer profitable for physicians to do them.

As times change and healthcare evolves it means a greater role for providers such as CRNAs. They have proven their safety regardless of the propaganda you have read here.

I am embarrassed and disgusted by my physician colleagues who have posted here using "fear mongering" to protect their own bank accounts. How far we have fallen from the days of the TV doctor Kildare (which wasent far from reality at the time).

Im sad for my own profession as the Hippocratic oath appears to have been replaced by the "mighty dollar" oath.

K. Crozer MD BG USAF ret."

Googling the name prodcues nothing. Medline has no record of an author name Crozer. Is this person a member of ASA? I thought impersonating an officer was a crime?

Just another CRNA impersonating a physician.

 

[BLADEMDA]

Just another CRNA impersonating a physician.

Please notice the phrase "physician colleagues" as this is how Deepz refers to MD Anesthesiologists.

Turning the "average" CRNA loose on the public SOLO is a scary concept.
Imagine, AAA's, thoractomies, diff. intubations, etc. with no MD back-up.

Blade

 

[toughlife]

CRNA should mean "certified registered nursing assistant" as it is more fitting of their functions in the OR when working under supervision.

 

[johankriek]

Turning the "average" CRNA loose on the public SOLO is a scary concept.
Imagine, AAA's, thoractomies, diff. intubations, etc. with no MD back-up.

Blade

imagine any case without physician back up... let alone the cases you cite..

Im moving to canada where they have MDs doing anesthesia

 

[toughlife]

happened to check over that newspaper article this am and I see our 'friend' Zwerling continues to leave comments.


You should look at the comments section to see how many responses it has received.

Check it out.

 

[deleted126335]

Please notice the phrase "physician colleagues" as this is how Deepz refers to MD Anesthesiologists.

Turning the "average" CRNA loose on the public SOLO is a scary concept.
Imagine, AAA's, thoractomies, diff. intubations, etc. with no MD back-up.

Blade

Don't worry. Few if any of them want that. They just want to cherry pick all the PS 1 & 2 patients having healthy ortho, plastics, bread and butter ENT, gyn, GU,healthy hernias and choles, etc. You can have all of the previous plus high risk OB, sick neonates, trauma, transplant, etc.

 

[toughlife]

That's the reason why ambulatory anesthesia needs to remain a physician domain. No need to give away the easy stuff as I am sure there are many a resident out there who see themselves doing it.

 

[Josh L.Ac.]

This was posted:
"I am a retired (this year) anesthesiologist from the US Airforce. I am disgusted by the comments made here both by my colleagues in the private world and those in the military. They are absolutely false.

These negative comments about CRNAs are driven by greedy people who are afraid that they will lose money if CRNAs are proven capable of replacing them. Which, btw, they are.

My arrogant and money hungry colleagues neglect to mention that there is absolutely NO proof behind anything they say, in fact, its the contrary. There have been 4 major studies done 2 old, 2 recent which have shown there is NO difference in mortality rate between Anesthesiologists and CRNAs. My friends who are not in the forces (or plan to leave soon) are more than willing to slander a provider who has proven to be their equivalent.

After being an anesthesiologist for near 40 years and working with CRNAs for that entire time, I can say with absolute confidence that CRNAs provider excellent care on par with their physician counterparts. I remember a time when I was an intern, that Nurses could "NEVER" do 70% of the things they can now do in hospitals. Cries of "they will kill patients", "they will make horrible judgment calls" and "there will be bad outcomes" were made.... until, of course these things were no longer profitable for physicians to do them.

As times change and healthcare evolves it means a greater role for providers such as CRNAs. They have proven their safety regardless of the propaganda you have read here.

I am embarrassed and disgusted by my physician colleagues who have posted here using "fear mongering" to protect their own bank accounts. How far we have fallen from the days of the TV doctor Kildare (which wasent far from reality at the time).

Im sad for my own profession as the Hippocratic oath appears to have been replaced by the "mighty dollar" oath.

K. Crozer MD BG USAF ret."

Googling the name prodcues nothing. Medline has no record of an author name Crozer. Is this person a member of ASA? I thought impersonating an officer was a crime?

If someone wants to take the time and initiative to verify that this person actually exists:

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/standard-form-180.html

 

[core0]

If someone wants to take the time and initiative to verify that this person actually exists:

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/standard-form-180.html

You need a SS number. Is he an ASA member?

 

[Josh L.Ac.]

You need a SS number. Is he an ASA member?

It would be nice to find out if this person exists or not. His/her quote has been pasted on several threads at allnurses while I have posts from three days ago that are still being "reviewed" and haven't shown up yet.


Could someone track down the IP address of the original poster of the quote?

 

[UTSouthwestern]

He doesn't exist on the ABA website and his name should come up even if he is retired or not board certified. It wouldn't come up if he had no formal anesthesiology training. I smell fake.

 

[party5454]

I knew it was fake when he said "wasent". 😴

 

[jwk]

You need a SS number. Is he an ASA member?

He doesn't come up on the ASA member search either. The original portion of this post seems to have come as a response to an article in the Connecticut Post. http://www.connpost.com/ci_6621932?source=most_emailed Once there, after reading the article, look in the "post comments" section.

This list of comments looks like it could come from one of the more nasty MD vs CRNA threads that we've all seen in the past, but this one plays out in a more public forum (although I'm not sure how many people actually read those comments). However, suffice it to say that the supportive comments from the general are making the rounds of all the various CRNA boards and forums as yet more "proof" that CRNA's are the equivalent of anesthesiologists.