This offer tops them all.....

[vistaril]

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Around 85 patients.

Western part of the country.

50k per year......and they keep all the collections.

It was framed as "make 50k for the year during your lunch break"

Curious, I asked how many psych nps are doing the work. The answer is 3.

It would obiously be over zoom/telepsych, and they assured me that the patients would be 'lined up and ready to go' for a quick eyeball. They also assured me that the
3 psych nps are good so issues rarely come up where you have to discuss troublesome cases.

They also assured me that the system in place to 'sign off' on the notes is very quick and i could do that part for 85 quickly as apparently the collaborative addendum statement
is already in their template and i wouldnt have to load it for each patient.

They promised to facilitate licensing.

I wasn't interested, but sadly i bet someone takes them up on it and shrugs that its an easy way to supplement their salary during lunch.

This is where we are.....

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Around 85 patients.

Western part of the country.

50k per year......and they keep all the collections.

It was framed as "make 50k for the year during your lunch break"

Curious, I asked how many psych nps are doing the work. The answer is 3.

It would obiously be over zoom/telepsych, and they assured me that the patients would be 'lined up and ready to go' for a quick eyeball. They also assured me that the
3 psych nps are good so issues rarely come up where you have to discuss troublesome cases.

They also assured me that the system in place to 'sign off' on the notes is very quick and i could do that part for 85 quickly as apparently the collaborative addendum statement
is already in their template and i wouldnt have to load it for each patient.

They promised to facilitate licensing.

I wasn't interested, but sadly i bet someone takes them up on it and shrugs that its an easy way to supplement their salary during lunch.

This is where we are.....

This isn't even that out of line. I mean that's a little bit better than what most places offer for NP "supervision/collaboration" or whatever which is like 1K a month. This is like $1380 per NP per month. They’re probably willing to pay a little bit more because they know people might be wary since they don’t personally know the NPs. "Eyeballing" patients is probably even better than the "collaboration" most people do which is straight up chart review. So no, I don't think this is so so weird for NP stuff but as always lots of liability for no reason. I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes them up on it either.

 

[TexasPhysician]

This isn't even that out of line. I mean that's a little bit better than what most places offer for NP "supervision/collaboration" or whatever which is like 1K a month. This is like $1380 per NP per month. They’re probably willing to pay a little bit more because they know people might be wary since they don’t personally know the NPs. "Eyeballing" patients is probably even better than the "collaboration" most people do which is straight up chart review. So no, I don't think this is so so weird for NP stuff but as always lots of liability for no reason. I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes them up on it either.

Reasonable compensation is $5k/NP/month. Just because the average offer is $1k/NP/month doesn’t mean anyone should accept that.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Reasonable compensation is $5k/NP/month. Just because the average offer is $1k/NP/month doesn’t mean anyone should accept that.

Sure but 2/2 places I looked at recently that was their initial offer. Im not going to be supervising NPs but probably could have gotten them to go up slightly on that, doubt they would have gotten to 5k/month though.

 

[robellis]

85 patients? Loll I can’t wait for people to get sued and to testify against them

 

[vistaril]

This isn't even that out of line. I mean that's a little bit better than what most places offer for NP "supervision/collaboration" or whatever which is like 1K a month. This is like $1380 per NP per month. They’re probably willing to pay a little bit more because they know people might be wary since they don’t personally know the NPs. "Eyeballing" patients is probably even better than the "collaboration" most people do which is straight up chart review. So no, I don't think this is so so weird for NP stuff but as always lots of liability for no reason. I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes them up on it either.

I don't think I explained well....obviously you aren't doing anything but really signing the forms, but these are inpatients so the psychiatrist is the actual provider of record and the psychiatrist is required to see the patient daily(obviously for 10 seconds, but whatever)....so it's not a situation where you are just reviewing 10% of charts or whatever. These are *your* patients and you have an np to help. Now in reality with this setup(85 pts and 50k to do it) we know the np is doing all the work, but the 50k is not just for collaborative agreements with the nps but for you to actually be the provider for these pts of record.

 

[vistaril]

85 patients? Loll I can’t wait for people to get sued and to testify against them

I've noticed you have a very limited understanding of how things work in the real world. Psychs are not getting sued left and right for seeing too many patients....

in fact, thats what a lot of the powers that be *want*. When you finish school, you'll see this and better understand.

 

[robellis]

I've noticed you have a very limited understanding of how things work in the real world. Psychs are not getting sued left and right for seeing too many patients....

in fact, thats what a lot of the powers that be *want*. When you finish school, you'll see this and better understand.

What state are you in?

 

[SmallBird]

I see 7 patients a day. Sometimes 6. Happy with my pay. Just sayin'.

 

[nexus73]

Should be $10,000 per np per month.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

I don't think I explained well....obviously you aren't doing anything but really signing the forms, but these are inpatients so the psychiatrist is the actual provider of record and the psychiatrist is required to see the patient daily(obviously for 10 seconds, but whatever)....so it's not a situation where you are just reviewing 10% of charts or whatever. These are *your* patients and you have an np to help. Now in reality with this setup(85 pts and 50k to do it) we know the np is doing all the work, but the 50k is not just for collaborative agreements with the nps but for you to actually be the provider for these pts of record.

Got it, sounded like they were outpatients to me.

Then yes, this job really sucks ass. I mean I’m sure they’ll find some ***** to do it but for that setup you should be getting paid a full time psychiatrist salary + premium for “supervising” the NPs. But of course the facility figures it’s gonna save itself money by hiring 3 NPs to do the work of 3 psychiatrists for half the price and then pay someone a measly 50K to take on the liability for all that.

 

[robellis]

Got it, sounded like they were outpatients to me.

Then yes, this job really sucks ass. I mean I’m sure they’ll find some ***** to do it but for that setup you should be getting paid a full time psychiatrist salary + premium for “supervising” the NPs. But of course the facility figures it’s gonna save itself money by hiring 3 NPs to do the work of 3 psychiatrists for half the price and then pay someone a measly 50K to take on the liability for all that.

Is 85 patients even 3 psychiatrists? That sounds like a job for 5 full time psychiatrists that 3 NPs are handling

 

[vistaril]

Is 85 patients even 3 psychiatrists? That sounds like a job for 5 full time psychiatrists that 3 NPs are handling

lol....

 

[vistaril]

Got it, sounded like they were outpatients to me.

Then yes, this job really sucks ass. I mean I’m sure they’ll find some ***** to do it but for that setup you should be getting paid a full time psychiatrist salary + premium for “supervising” the NPs. But of course the facility figures it’s gonna save itself money by hiring 3 NPs to do the work of 3 psychiatrists for half the price and then pay someone a measly 50K to take on the liability for all that.

yep...it sucks.

the worst of it all is that it takes away possible jobs from psychs in the area.

 

[vistaril]

What state are you in?

I've practiced post-residency in Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

 

[SmallBird]

Is 85 patients even 3 psychiatrists? That sounds like a job for 5 full time psychiatrists that 3 NPs are handling

My recent job search I looked at a bunch of positions with UHS (for profit, non-academic) and they were all between 12-16 patients a day, so yes 85 would’ve been more than 3 psychiatrists.

 

[clausewitz2]

I've practiced post-residency in Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

I'm curious about where in PA, because the practices you are describing are not at all typical or normal in the pasts of Pennsylvania that I work in or have talked to anyone about the job market in.

 

[SmallBird]

I'm curious about where in PA, because the practices you are describing are not at all typical or normal in the pasts of Pennsylvania that I work in or have talked to anyone about the job market in.

Reading some of the job descriptions in recent posts, I'm reminded of that line in the John Adams mini-series: "either you are stark raving mad, or I am"

 

[Stagg737]

Is 85 patients even 3 psychiatrists? That sounds like a job that should be for 5 full time psychiatrists that 3 NPs are handling

FTFY. It's really not that uncommon for inpatient psychiatrists to see 25-30 patients in a day at some inpatient units, especially if they're supervising a mid-level. Though this is certainly an easy way to see where that unit's priorities lie.

 

[Mass Effect]

I've noticed you have a very limited understanding of how things work in the real world. Psychs are not getting sued left and right for seeing too many patients....

in fact, thats what a lot of the powers that be *want*. When you finish school, you'll see this and better understand.

You just posted about a job in which the hiring psychiatrist has to eyeball 85 patients in one hour AND sign off on an NPs note on every one with a pre-written template. And you don't think there's a lawsuit brewing there somewhere?