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to everyone who has interviewed at Albert Einstein: What were your thoughts? I liked it, except for the location. I just feel like i might get really depressed in the Bronx. I just received an acceptance to Einstein so i'm now trying to evaluate it more thoughtfully. and i was just curious about others' thoughts...
 
Wait until you receive their financial aid package before you make a final decision. Nothing should turn you off to a school more then 50,000 debt per year. I'm not familiar with AE's financial aid packages as the only student who I know who goes there is MD/PhD. He seems to like it though. The area is a problem, and you may get a little annoyed during your clinical years because the ancillary staff is supposedly pretty poor so you may end up having to do things like blood draws and push patients around during your clinical years. It has a good reputation otherwise though.
 
I haven't gotten my Einstein letter (because I'm not in town), so I don't know if I've gotten in or not, but how does Einstein compare to Mt. Sinai? Living in the city myself, I obviously know the differences location wise, but in terms of reputation, residency matches, etc...Thanks.
 
how's einstein's overall program? (ie. curriculum, preparation for boards, quality of clinical training, etc ..) also, how happy are students there?
 
I think Einstein's reputation is not as good as Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai's hospital faced some financial problems recently, and that sorta pulled down the school's ranking on U.S. News. So this year both schools have similar ranking.

Einstein also gave me the feeling that it has less resource for students than other schools. For example, there is no medical bookstore on campus. Students buy books from a kiosk. Also, the hospital adjacent to the medical school building seems rather small to me, compared to other schools.

Even though I'm deciding between Einstein and Vandy, I'm leaning towards Vandy.
 
Originally posted by CalBeE


Also, the hospital adjacent to the medical school building seems rather small to me, compared to other schools.

From what I've heard, Jacobi Hospital is one of the best teaching hospitals in the country. If you want to be in the trenches really learning, doing medicine, seeing great cases, it's in the same league with Bellevue, Cook County, the Brigham, etc.
 
Originally posted by doctorvenkman
From what I've heard, Jacobi Hospital is one of the best teaching hospitals in the country. If you want to be in the trenches really learning, doing medicine, seeing great cases, it's in the same league with Bellevue, Cook County, the Brigham, etc.

You're probably right. And also I think Einstein is pretty supportive of students to do rotations aborad. They pay for at least part of the roundtrip economy class airticket.
 
Originally posted by doctorvenkman
From what I've heard, Jacobi Hospital is one of the best teaching hospitals in the country. If you want to be in the trenches really learning, doing medicine, seeing great cases, it's in the same league with Bellevue, Cook County, the Brigham, etc.

Montefiore hospital is HUGE and very close to campus. They needed to give me a detailed map to find my intervewer there.
 
Not sure yet, I am interviewieng there in a few weeks..will report after then.
 
Originally posted by CalBeE
I think Einstein's reputation is not as good as Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai's hospital faced some financial problems recently, and that sorta pulled down the school's ranking on U.S. News. So this year both schools have similar ranking.

Einstein also gave me the feeling that it has less resource for students than other schools. For example, there is no medical bookstore on campus. Students buy books from a kiosk. Also, the hospital adjacent to the medical school building seems rather small to me, compared to other schools.

Even though I'm deciding between Einstein and Vandy, I'm leaning towards Vandy.

CalBeE, Congrats on your acceptances. But, I must beg to differ in regards to you assessment of Einstein. As other people have mentioned, the two nearest hospitals are among the best teaching hospitals in NYC. So, i don't need to go into that. However, in regards to support for students. Einstein seems to be among the best. Sure it would be great to have a huge bookstore run by Barnes and Nobles like UPENN. But Einstein pays money or has money literally for EVERY student do something during a summer...whether it be going abroad to study in Costa Rica or research at an institution near your home or research there. Furthermore, the Dean of Students is GREAT and has implemented/expanded various programs such as Peer-peer tutoring which you are automatically signed up for if you do poorly on an exam. Their elective courses include Medical Spanish, Social Medicine, Alternative Medicine, as well as the opportunity to get a MS in Clinical Research. From day one students get matched to a clinic/patients for immediate exposure. For example, my student host was no where to be found, as she was matched with a pregnant woman..she was essentially her doula/coach the entire term--checking on her supplements, participating in well visits, and that week the woman gave birth and she was there to assist as a FIRST YEAR.

Overall even though I was not impressed with the neighborhood, I was MOST impressed with the support of students and opportunities available to Einstein students. I believe one person(on another thread said) while most students like their med schools, Einstein students LOVE Einstein.

Let me also point out that housing is ridiculously cheap and spacious...and hands down the best among ALL NYC programs.

All this said, I'll probably be attending UMDNJ-SOM...but I liked Einstein alot and had to put in my plug.
 
Originally posted by bullhorn
CalBeE, Congrats on your acceptances. But, I must beg to differ in regards to you assessment of Einstein. As other people have mentioned, the two nearest hospitals are among the best teaching hospitals in NYC. So, i don't need to go into that. However, in regards to support for students. Einstein seems to be among the best. Sure it would be great to have a huge bookstore run by Barnes and Nobles like UPENN. But Einstein pays money or has money literally for EVERY student do something during a summer...whether it be going abroad to study in Costa Rica or research at an institution near your home or research there. Furthermore, the Dean of Students is GREAT and has implemented/expanded various programs such as Peer-peer tutoring which you are automatically signed up for if you do poorly on an exam. Their elective courses include Medical Spanish, Social Medicine, Alternative Medicine, as well as the opportunity to get a MS in Clinical Research. From day one students get matched to a clinic/patients for immediate exposure. For example, my student host was no where to be found, as she was matched with a pregnant woman..she was essentially her doula/coach the entire term--checking on her supplements, participating in well visits, and that week the woman gave birth and she was there to assist as a FIRST YEAR.

Overall even though I was not impressed with the neighborhood, I was MOST impressed with the support of students and opportunities available to Einstein students. I believe one person(on another thread said) while most students like their med schools, Einstein students LOVE Einstein.

Let me also point out that housing is ridiculously cheap and spacious...and hands down the best among ALL NYC programs.

All this said, I'll probably be attending UMDNJ-SOM...but I liked Einstein alot and had to put in my plug.

Good perspective!
 
don't go there....so it leaves a space for me
 
I interviewed at Einstein about a month ago... I thought it was "eh"; a decent school if you really want to live in NY, it seems like a good option, but I personally don't think it's worth the extra 15 grand a year over a state school.

I thought that the school's facilities were ok... nice, but nothing spectacular. The dining hall completely turned me off; I thought the food selection was sparse, and the dining hall itself seemed a little ghetto. The housing was definetely nice... although I don't really want to live in the bronx. I also didn't like the fact that the library is closed on Friday evenings and Saturdays. Einstein has some nice programs with Medical Spanish, etc., but it's nothing that you wont' find at most other solid schools

So, like I said, Einstein seems like a decent school, but I wouldn't pay 35 grand a year to go there.

- Quid
 
As a second year Einstein student, I thought I might offer some thoughts from a current student's view. Plus, I'm avoiding studying.

1) About hospitals: Einstein is one of those schools that is affiliated with many hospitals. In third year rotations, you are not only assigned to Jacobi, Montefiore, or Weiler ("Einstein Hospital"), you can also be in clinics all over the Bronx, the often-times daunting Bronx Psych (from the movie "Awakenings"), Beth Israel (two locations in Manhattan), and others. I believe there was a comment earlier about poor "ancillary staff?" I'm not sure exactly what that means, but rest assured you are going to be drawing a hell of a lot of blood and pushing many a patient around the hospital as a student anywhere in the country. If you don't do it as a student, I sure as hell hope you don't plan on learning as an MD.

2) Einstein is extremely supportive of their students, as is most easily shown by opportunities in the summer after first year and during fourth year. Many of my classmates went to Ecuador, Cuba, Costa Rica, etc. this past summer. I spent my time doing research on pig hearts in the Bronx, but I'm not as adventurous as others. Also, as someone mentioned, there are great tutoring services here. For example, first year anatomy dissecting groups each have their own second year or MD/PhD tutor, chosen from the best students in the classes above them, to help them through the class. There are tutors for every class, and I know very few people who haven't taken advantage of one at some point.

3) The Jewish situation (i.e., sabboth observances and kosher dining hall). First of all, the dining hall is not supposed to be what you were used to in college. Students have their own, decent-sized kitchens. The dining hall is largely a gathering place for faculty, interviewing students, and MS-I/IIs that keep kosher. As far as library hours, I have never felt inconvenienced by them. There are many labs and classrooms that are always open over the weekend for students to study in.

4) "Reputation" For applying students, this inevitably means USNews rankings. Just like in college, these mean very little. For colleges, Yale, Harvard, and Princeton will always be at the top. If one year Princeton is above Yale, that does not mean it's the better school. They're all looked at as the same. For the New York City schools (the ones I'm most familiar with), it's pretty much the same. You have Columbia/Cornell in one level, then NYU/Sinai/Einstein in the next, followed by NYMC/SUNY-downstate. It would be silly for a residency director to favor an applicant from Sinai over Einstein, if they have the same credentials, just as it would be silly for a med school admissions person to favor a Princeton grad over a Yalie.

That's it. Micro awaits.

That reminds me. I saw necrotizing fasciitis (think flesh-eating bacteria) while in my class in the hospital yesterday. I'm not promising that you will if you go to Einstein, but I doubt I would have if I had gone to Vanderbilt or University of Florida.
 
thanks for taking some procrastination time to respond! Your comments were very helpful.
 
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