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thank you for the advice! i appreciate your thoughts!! while i am not applying to professional schools (only to university based psyd programs that are, of course, apa accredited), i find your advice very helpful. i'm not going into this field to be a well known psychologist necessarily. i just want to make a difference in the lives of the people with whom i will be working with, and want the best and most education i can receive in order to reach this goal. but, that being said, coming from someone with experience in the field as you have, i think this is good information for applicants, including myself 🙂
I just returned from a Ph.d interview at a professional school and was quite disappointed. This exposure to a professional school is drastically different from my experience interviewing at a University based Ph.d program last month. I did get the impression that the program lacked significant training resources but was supportive of its students taking advantage of what the community has to offer.
As expected, I did encounter the faculty/admissions "selling" the program. What I did not expect was a) my POI to not be at the school for the interview b) the absence of a specific course track that was listed on the website, c) an increase in tuition compared to what is listed on the website. Long story short, after they suggested 65k in loans per year to cover tuition/living, I lost any remnant of interest for the program.
On the plus side though, they treated their applicants like royalty! Cheese and wine reception, lovely hotel rooms for each candidate, and catered meals.
-PM me if you would like to know which professional school I am referring to.-
As expected, I did encounter the faculty/admissions "selling" the program. What I did not expect was a) my POI to not be at the school for the interview b) the absence of a specific course track that was listed on the website, c) an increase in tuition compared to what is listed on the website. Long story short, after they suggested 65k in loans per year to cover tuition/living, I lost any remnant of interest for the program.
On the plus side though, they treated their applicants like royalty! Cheese and wine reception, lovely hotel rooms for each candidate, and catered meals.
-PM me if you would like to know which professional school I am referring to.-
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I had this crazy dream last night that Jon Snow posted about professional schools and said something like he was softening his position on PsyD programs. Are there any psychologists on this forum that think I should be alarmed? Help guys, please.
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Alarmed at your sooth-saying abilities or alarmed that you are dreaming about Jon Snow?.........
I joke, I joke 😀
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phillydave, I'd make fun of you for having dreams about SDN, but I've had them too. D:
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Haha after spending as much time as we do scrolling around this forum it's hard not to.
And I was poking fun at Jon for causing a small part of hell to freeze over.
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John Snow -- student, doctor, mensch.
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I would just say, "Know before you go" applies to all graduate programs -- professional school- or university-based. If you do not do the legwork to thoroughly investigate where you're staking your future career choices on, you kind of deserve what you get. Especially nowadays, with the amount of information available on them online and places like SDN.
There is such wide variability in quality of experience between all types of programs that it's never been a black or white issue of one or the other. You need to find the program that first within your budgets, life needs, family, and career expectations. There is no one "right" program for everyone.
Glad to see some giving up the black and white thinking on this issue. 😉
John
There is such wide variability in quality of experience between all types of programs that it's never been a black or white issue of one or the other. You need to find the program that first within your budgets, life needs, family, and career expectations. There is no one "right" program for everyone.
Glad to see some giving up the black and white thinking on this issue. 😉
John
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These are especially refreshing perspectives, almost breathing a sigh of relief here.
So what are your thoughts on Argosy? NO fights here, but honestly your thoughts on the program, if you could even be specific about the one in DC that would be helpful.
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**Heroes fans should get this**
It's like when that guy freezes time and he stands around looking at everyone.
Let's tip toe through this cease fire, hopefully this will engender some more respectful conversations.
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Well, the peace was nice while it lasted.
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It doesn't count. They're from the med forum.
The jury will disregard the previous comments.
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sideways: I'm not disagreeing, but it was like... seriously, one post before another argument started.
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OBJECTION!!! The witness is inflaming the passions of the jury which has no relevance, your Honor.
**phillydave this is where you sustain my objection
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I'll allow it... but this better be going somewhere.....
You may treat the witness as hostile.
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Thank you your Honor.
Sideways, please understand that we've worked hard with the defendant, Jon Snow to achieve the cease fire we have within the PsyD/PhD forum here on SDN. He has been on trial for the last 4.5 years and has recently softened his position on the issue of professional schools within our field. So you see for us, this is like Satan turning down the heat in hell, it never happens!
Thus, at this time, you are hereby dismissed as a witness for this case, thank you for your time and service. Your issue with Jon Snow is a separate issue that needs to be handled within your jurisdiction, IE the medical forums.
*carry on*
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I would agree that it seems there are many parallel processes in the PhD/PsyD and MD/DO debate, although I am not sure about the content of the discussions in the medical forums but can imagine it might be similar to the partisanship of debates within our profession. It is definitely an ethics issue concerning schools exploiting students, particularly if the program admits many more students than can be supervised closely to provide adequate guidance for professional development. Also, if a program works in such a way, then they are doing a disservice to the field and to clients, contributing to the internship crisis, and hurting not only their program's reputation but also the other professional schools, as well as university-based PsyD programs...
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I can't give my input on the DC campus, but I was in Chicago/Schaumburg's Argosy Psy.D program. Leaving with my masters degree and working right away was the best decision for me.
I'm sure students have gotten a lot out of Argosy, but my loan situation would be horrendous if I stayed.Let's just say I didn't realize how complicated school loans can be once I left school. I'm glad I got out of the program, before things got worse. Some of my classmates would tell themselves, "I will get a good paying job to pay 200K off."
If I choose to go for my doctorate in the future, I would much rather go for a funded Ph.D program.
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