Thrombocytosis question...

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Anyone(RS6 😀 ) know why chronic Fe deficiency is associated with thrombocytosis?

Is it possible that decreased Fe stimulates the megakaryocyte to increase fragmentation in much the same way the decreased Fe(resulting from decreased Hb) drives the pro-erythrocyte to divide, thus becoming microcytic?

Just curious...
 
chronic fe deficiency leads to the anemic diseases which leads the body prone to infections . as we know body acts a feed back mechanism to almost every odds for keeping its milieu normal . hence there happen an increase in the production of thrombocytes leading to thrombocytosis but its only seen in the initial stage .
 
dr_siba21 said:
chronic fe deficiency leads to the anemic diseases which leads the body prone to infections . as we know body acts a feed back mechanism to almost every odds for keeping its milieu normal . hence there happen an increase in the production of thrombocytes leading to thrombocytosis but its only seen in the initial stage .

So there just happens to be an increase in platelet production? I was hoping for something a little more specific...
 
Reactive thrombocytosis usually is mediated by increased release of a number of cytokines in response to infections, inflammation, vasculitis, tissue trauma, and other factors. Thrombopoietin (TPO), the primary cytokine for platelet production and maturation, and interleukin (IL)-6, are usually initially elevated in response to the primary events mentioned earlier, and they stimulate an increase in platelet production. However, serum or plasma levels of these cytokines do not seem to be correlated with degree of thrombocytosis. Other cytokines may participate in the stimulation of platelet production. They include IL-3, IL-11, granulocyte-macrophage colony-stimulating factor (GM-CSF), and erythropoietin. These cytokines are released directly or indirectly during the primary events. When the original stimulation stops, the platelet count then returns to the reference range.

In severe infections, such as bacterial meningitis, one of the causes may be a rebound phenomenon after initial thrombocytopenia due to rapid consumption of platelets. This most commonly occurs in neonates and infants, indicating the labile nature of platelet count control in these subjects. The rebound thrombocytosis also is observed in the recovery phase of chemotherapy-induced thrombocytopenia and during the recovery phase of immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP).

In some instances, such as chronic hemolytic anemia, the stimulus (hypoxia) to produce cytokines persists, causing long-term elevation of platelet counts.

Although thrombocytosis in association with iron deficiency anemia is well documented, the mechanism remains unclear. A recent study showed that an elevation of erythropoietin, although observed in thrombocytosis patients with iron deficiency anemia, had no correlation with platelet count. Other cytokines potentially responsible for thrombocytosis, such as IL-6 and TPO, were not elevated.

I guess this is what you are looking for? I hope this helps!
 
jgl1980 said:
Although thrombocytosis in association with iron deficiency anemia is well documented, the mechanism remains unclear.

😀I guess this is inevitable when you start to dig to deep...

Thanks for the post...BTW, what was your source?
 
dr_siba21 said:
...preceeded by unintelligible grammar...hence there happen an increase in the production of thrombocytes leading to thrombocytosis but its only seen in the initial stage .

Actually, the thrombocytosis is associated with the chronic stage...
 
hey blackndecker,

i ve thought u sane but sorry for ur opaque neurons ...i ve less time to come to the room and describe it in details .
but being brief to ur question,
in fe deficiency anemia there happens increased secretion of thrombopoietin,the cause of which is still a mystery, but probably to maintain the blood loss or blood volume .
also there results an increase secretion of erythropoietin which is structurally similar to the thrombopoietin and acts in the thrombopoeitin receptor increasing the synthesis of megakaryocytes, hence platelet counts upto 6 to 7 lakhs per cubic mm .



any many more causes if u need them indeed.



I CORRECT WRONG DIAGNOSIS,OK
 
dr_siba21 said:
in fe deficiency anemia there happens increased secretion of thrombopoietin,the cause of which is still a mystery, but probably to maintain the blood loss or blood volume . also there results an increase secretion of erythropoietin which is structurally similar to the thrombopoietin and acts in the thrombopoeitin receptor increasing the synthesis of megakaryocytes, hence platelet counts upto 6 to 7 lakhs per cubic mm .

any many more causes if u need them indeed.
I CORRECT WRONG DIAGNOSIS,OK

Fe deficiency anemia has a slow progression...it doesn't manifest microcytic RBCs until 1)the Fe stores have been depleted 2) the serum ferritin, serum Fe, and % saturation have decreased. Even with chronic GI bleeding this will require some time, the length of which will depend on the size and source of the bleed. Eventually, as you have noted, reticulocytosis will occur coinciding with thrombocytosis...but by this point the Fe deficiency is nether acute nor in its early stages.

If you still want to disagree...you can take it up with Edward F. Goljan. Rapid Review page 126.

You just got dominated. Thanks for playing... 😎
 
BlackNDecker said:
Fe deficiency anemia has a slow progression...it doesn't manifest microcytic RBCs until 1)the Fe stores have been depleted 2) the serum ferritin, serum Fe, and % saturation have decreased. Even with chronic GI bleeding this will require some time, the length of which will depend on the size and source of the bleed. Eventually, as you have noted, reticulocytosis will occur coinciding with thrombocytosis...but by this point the Fe deficiency is nether acute nor in its early stages.


fe deficiency anemia has a slow progression . Thats right as fe cannot be lost from the body as such but not in cases of external hemorrhages where there occur no recovery of fe for synthesis of erythrocytes . I mean to say, if the fe stores in the body will decresae by low or deficient intake of dietary fe and external hemorrhage favors it , then it results no synthesis of reticulocytes . Isn't it . How can u think reticulocyte formation without fe ? If erythropoietin could not help in synthesis of erythrocytes it probably assists formation of thrombocytes due to its structure similar to thrombopoietin,which i ve told u b4 .
keep asking ...
 
dr_siba21 said:
fe deficiency anemia has a slow progression . Thats right as fe cannot be lost from the body as such but not in cases of external hemorrhages where there occur no recovery of fe for synthesis of erythrocytes . I mean to say, if the fe stores in the body will decresae by low or deficient intake of dietary fe and external hemorrhage favors it , then it results no synthesis of reticulocytes . Isn't it . How can u think reticulocyte formation without fe ? If erythropoietin could not help in synthesis of erythrocytes it probably assists formation of thrombocytes due to its structure similar to thrombopoietin,which i ve told u b4 .
keep asking ...

This is going in circles😴
 
jgl1980 is completely right. I could not have said it any better. They believe that IL-6, which is a proinflammatory cytokine, plays the major role in reactive thrombocytosis. However, other cytokines might be just as important. They just don't know. Just remember that you can get a reactive thrombocytosis after an infection, trauma/surgery, malignancy, and iron deficiency/blood loss. This is really all you need to memorize. However, once you have corrected the etiology of reactive thrombosis and the platelet count remains elevated, you really need to hunt for another cause, especially in the elderly.
 
RS6 said:
jgl1980 is completely right. I could not have said it any better...

Nobody could have said it better b/c I'm quite certain it was "cut & paste"ed...that's why I asked what his source was.
 
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