timing for a research year?

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I know that some students take a research year between MS2 and MS3 in order to get some pubs/research done for more competitive specialties.

But aren't you primed to begin clinical rotations after MS2 because you've just spent months studying for the boards? If you took a year off, wouldn't you forget a lot of that information? Or is it that 3rd and 4th year is a lot of on-the-job training/learning, and that step 1 material isn't as applicable or important?
 
I know that some students take a research year between MS2 and MS3 in order to get some pubs/research done for more competitive specialties.

But aren't you primed to begin clinical rotations after MS2 because you've just spent months studying for the boards? If you took a year off, wouldn't you forget a lot of that information? Or is it that 3rd and 4th year is a lot of on-the-job training/learning, and that step 1 material isn't as applicable or important?

Taking a research year between MS2 and MS3 is pretty rare/unheard of. The vast majority who take a research year take it between MS3 and MS4.

ETA: Having just studied for the boards is a pretty important piece to most students' success in third year. While there are always the dumb tidbits that you cram for the boards that have no use clinically, a lot of Step 1 material is really clinically relevant.
 
I took a year to do research between 3rd and 4th year, but know many people who did it between 2nd and 3rd year instead. There are pros and cons to each option.

MS2-MS3: If you choose to go this route, I would definitely recommend taking Step 1 at the end of MS2 rather than waiting until you get close to starting MS3. The information will be fresh in your mind and you'll likely do better. My friends who did this seemed to adjust to MS3 fairly easily, and you'll be reading so much about your patients and studying for your shelf exams that I don't really feel like having that extra year in between is too much of a disadvantage. Also, by the time you're applying for residency, more time will have passed since you did your research and so, more papers will likely have been submitted/published as compared to doing it betwwen MS3 and MS4. Having done research between MS3 and MS4, I'm now scrambling to get my paper submitted ASAP so that I can list it on my application for this upcoming cycle. If I had been sure about what field I wanted to go in to before doing my 3rd year rotations, this is probably the route that I would have chosen.

MS3-MS4: Having done some of your 3rd year rotations, you will be better able to select a project/mentor that will be related to your eventual specialty. While most residency programs value research in any field, having a year's worth of face time with a prominent faculty member in your field of interest can be invaluable in opening doors come application time. A research year between MS3 and MS4 is also a good time to get Step 2 out of the way. You will likely have more time to study for it (and therefore get a higher score), and then you won't have to worry about it in between doing sub-is, preparing your application, scheduling interviews, etc. The trade-off, as I mentioned before, is that you'll have less time to get things submitted/published so there may be fewer lines on your resume.
 
Taking a research year between MS2 and MS3 is pretty rare/unheard of. The vast majority who take a research year take it between MS3 and MS4.

ETA: Having just studied for the boards is a pretty important piece to most students' success in third year. While there are always the dumb tidbits that you cram for the boards that have no use clinically, a lot of Step 1 material is really clinically relevant.

I wouldn't say it's rare or unheard of, but it might be school-dependent. Most of the people at my school who take a research year do so between MS2 and MS3.
 
I wouldn't say it's rare or unheard of, but it might be school-dependent. Most of the people at my school who take a research year do so between MS2 and MS3.

Interesting, apologies for my inadvertent inaccurate generalization. No one in the past few years that I know of has taken a research year between MS2 and 3 but I guess that doesn't mean that's the case everywhere.
 
I'm currently on a research year between MS3 and MS4, so I'll throw in my two cents

Even if you've shadowed a lot in a particular specialty, you really won't know what you want to go into/what you'll be a good fit for until you do third year rotations. I'd hate to do a research year in OB/GYN only to find out third year that I actually want to go into peds. Additionally, if ou do a research year after M3, you'll already have your step 1 score back, so you know which residencies you will or won't be competitive for. For example, I'd hate to comit to a urology fellowship in March of my second year only to find out in July that I got a 225 on Step 1. In this situation, you are not competitive for urology, and you may actually be wasting a year.

The NIH program has a very strong preference for taking students after their third year

Since basic research often progresses slowly, it's easier to do clinical research or to do a side clinical project. Not surprisingly, clinical research is easier once you've had a year of clinical exposure

Good luck!
 
Do it between MS2 and MS3 if you are 100% sure of what you want to go into and know that you will benefit greatly from a research year (Rad-Onc, NSG, Ortho, Derm come to mind) Research year for OB/GYN? Never heard of that.

Doing it between MS2 and MS3 (after you take Step 1) will allow you to have more time for the work you do during your year off to get published. I'm currently on a research year as well and there are a few projects that I have to help finish up for last year's research students. They're not going to get done prior to the Sept. 15th ERAS submission deadline, so those students are stuck without being able to put those projects on their ERAS.
 
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