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Its the time of year where everyone is freaking out about what school to go to.

You don't need to go to an APA-accredited school to be a good psychologist. Don't forget that Beck, Adler, Jung, and even Freud did not go APA accredited schools.
You'll have to forgive the poor humor - I have been feeling quite sardonic today. By the way the joke is that they are all psychiatrists, not psychologists.

Here is the bottom line:

If you wan't to do nothing but private practice your entire life, go to basically any regionally accredited professional school and get a PsyD. If you graduate, there's ~80% chance you'll get licensed, which is all you'll really need to get by in the private practice you want anyways. If you don't get licensed, well you are technically a "doctor" anyways and you can teach at a community college or write a useless self-help book. Either way, you'll have student loans to repay for at least a decade, but you'll make enough to live a decent middle-class life. After you pay off your student and home loan as well as pay off your second mortgage (cause you'll have a mid-life crisis and buy a boat), you'll then have a (lower-end) upper-middle class life and work 10 hours daily (4 hours on the phone with insurance companies, daily) until you want to retire.

Since you'll have no pension and not likely have saved a lot of money, given your financial prowess in getting a $200,000 PsyD, you'll take a handful of your long-term clients (which you will have plenty of given you'll placate to them every session) and do rocking-chair therapy on your front porch of your home till you're demented. Near the end of your life, you'll regret not going to decent university-based PsyD program or to a funded PhD program so you could have done research, teach, consult, or do something else meaningful with your life (like help someone).

That's the bottom line. Anyone want to correct me or add to the fun?
 
Freud was a neurologist. I don't know if they even had psychiatry back then.

Also, if all you want to do is private pay individual therapy, why bother going to school at all? Why not just become a life coach? Then you don't have to worry about all that licensing stuff or student loan debt or read any boring research or comply with any type of ethics. Just ask Dr. Phil McGraw. He intentionally let his license lapse so he didn't have to deal with those pesky issues that just get in the way of making money.
 
Just ask Dr. Phil McGraw. He intentionally let his license lapse so he didn't have to deal with those pesky issues that just get in the way of making money.
I believe he "voluntarily" surrendered it after at least one complaint. Life Coaching is definitely the way to go if someone wants to practice w/o any pesky laws, boards, or ethics.
 
Yes, but you aren't a "doctor" as a life coach... unless you get one of those online doctorates that are based on your life experiences.
 
Are any of the online clinical psychology doctoral 'programs' APA accredited? I think I heard something a few years back about one of them getting accreditation (mind-blowing if true).
 
Are any of the online clinical psychology doctoral 'programs' APA accredited? I think I heard something a few years back about one of them getting accreditation (mind-blowing if true).

Fielding is the only one of which I know. I've met a few Fielding students, and unfortunately, they haven't done much to dispel my admittedly-already-biased notion of online education in clinical psych.
 
Fielding is the only one of which I know. I've met a few Fielding students, and unfortunately, they haven't done much to dispel my admittedly-already-biased notion of online education in clinical psych.

Thanks for the info 🙂

Wow...so Fielding (an online program) is APA accredited...but Louisiana State University's program is Accredited, On Probation. LSU has/had a strong program (I am most familiar with Dr. Matson (in developmental disabilities) and Dr. Gouvier (neuropsych...think he just retired). Did they take a principled stand against the multiculturalism thing or something and are getting muscled by APA to get 'back in line' or something?
 
Thanks for the info 🙂

Wow...so Fielding (an online program) is APA accredited...but Louisiana State University's program is Accredited, On Probation. LSU has/had a strong program (I am most familiar with Dr. Matson (in developmental disabilities) and Dr. Gouvier (neuropsych...think he just retired). Did they take a principled stand against the multiculturalism thing or something and are getting muscled by APA to get 'back in line' or something?

If only the APA took cultural issues in mental health that seriously.
 
Fielding is the only one of which I know. I've met a few Fielding students, and unfortunately, they haven't done much to dispel my admittedly-already-biased notion of online education in clinical psych.

Fielding students are required to meet in person every few months, for what I'm not exactly sure, but perhaps that limited face time was enough to get them accredited. I wouldn't go that route and am always amazed they continue to find new students.
 
Fielding Graduate University
This program was last reviewed and accredited for 3 years. The decision is based on the CoA’s professional judgment of program resource concerns, instability and/or serious deficiencies remain, but can be corrected in the near future (minor deficiencies typically addressed in the next self-study).

Glowing review....
 
Glowing review....
There's some very strange bias in this thread... I agree that an online program is a horrible idea, and also oppose free-standing for-profits, but come on. APA uses that exact language for every program accredited for 3 years. Recently that included LSU, who apparently have been downgraded to being on probation. Currently that includes SUNY Binghamton, U Toledo, and Alabama among others; all have this exact language attached to their accreditation statements currently.

The Fielding model is ridiculous but that statement isn't a particularly great indicator of that fact.
 
To the OP....buddy, I think you might be projecting a little, but good lord dude.
Lol, you are correct; its projection with some humor intertwined. Though one day I will need to stop regretting my choices.
 
I was sitting here considering alternative career paths. Like many people on this forum, whether it be psychology, pharmacy, dentistry, etc., it seems like the health field is the new custodial field. Most people are "providing the truth" when they are truly opinions. So, let's take the aspect of switching careers, let's say to accounting. Like many people, often the advice is to go into something with minimal debt, where the drive is probably aimed at earning significant income, with the hopes of stability in the field itself. So, let's assume someone who tries to switch to accounting, they go back to get the proper training, certificates, degree, etc. to apply for an entry-level accounting job. In this case, you will be interviewed (this is true for nearly every profession or job). In this interview they ask why accounting, what would you like to do within this company, what are your goals (some variation of these questions to gauge personality, etc.). The truth of it is, you would love to say "I tried out applying for graduate/medical school, but due to high competition and costs of schooling, I wanted something that was relatively easier to get in so I can make good money." You will probably never get a call back from this employer, because they too also have a certain standard of employment. They too are trained as business managers to weed out applicants who have a possibly skewed or narrow perspective of the idea of work. So, if simply applying to these jobs for the sake of earning a moderate to high income is your reason for being an accountant, what's the problem? Evidently, they too, much like any other profession (maybe not retail), will want you to be in the job for other reasons than just a paycheck. In reality, this is EXACTLY the reason why this person switched fields. They wanted to do psychology or medicine, they did consider alternative routes like the Psy.D., but opted to just switch instead. They too will face battles to get a job in accounting if they don't properly align with the business's goals for you to be employed.

So again, it is much easier said than done to drop out of one profession to follow the smell of $$$ everything **** hits the fan. For me personally, this scenario represents exactly how I would answer questions like that. For me, if I have to change a profession for a 3rd time, SSDI and the paddy wagon are looking mighty fine these days.
 
I was sitting here considering alternative career paths. Like many people on this forum, whether it be psychology, pharmacy, dentistry, etc., it seems like the health field is the new custodial field. Most people are "providing the truth" when they are truly opinions. So, let's take the aspect of switching careers, let's say to accounting. Like many people, often the advice is to go into something with minimal debt, where the drive is probably aimed at earning significant income, with the hopes of stability in the field itself. So, let's assume someone who tries to switch to accounting, they go back to get the proper training, certificates, degree, etc. to apply for an entry-level accounting job. In this case, you will be interviewed (this is true for nearly every profession or job). In this interview they ask why accounting, what would you like to do within this company, what are your goals (some variation of these questions to gauge personality, etc.). The truth of it is, you would love to say "I tried out applying for graduate/medical school, but due to high competition and costs of schooling, I wanted something that was relatively easier to get in so I can make good money." You will probably never get a call back from this employer, because they too also have a certain standard of employment. They too are trained as business managers to weed out applicants who have a possibly skewed or narrow perspective of the idea of work. So, if simply applying to these jobs for the sake of earning a moderate to high income is your reason for being an accountant, what's the problem? Evidently, they too, much like any other profession (maybe not retail), will want you to be in the job for other reasons than just a paycheck. In reality, this is EXACTLY the reason why this person switched fields. They wanted to do psychology or medicine, they did consider alternative routes like the Psy.D., but opted to just switch instead. They too will face battles to get a job in accounting if they don't properly align with the business's goals for you to be employed.

So again, it is much easier said than done to drop out of one profession to follow the smell of $$$ everything **** hits the fan. For me personally, this scenario represents exactly how I would answer questions like that. For me, if I have to change a profession for a 3rd time, SSDI and the paddy wagon are looking mighty fine these days.
I also think that the bias in psychology is toward the academic model. I love to teach and I love research but I could not see myself in the academic world - ever. I am not published and may never be. I don't think anybody who pays my salary even cares about that. I worry about crappy schools cranking out unqualified psychologists more than I worry about accruing debt. I think we do need more business savvy people in this business who can drive our profitability. My student loan interest is low, as my financial guru and friend from high school said that is cheap money. I just purchased my second house and am in no hurry to pay off my loans. I wonder if we had more psychologists who understood business as opposed to the academic world, would we make more money? Every one of my professors at my doctoral program were running successful business operations and making good money in addition to being faculty. There is a whole world of opportunities outside the traditional route.
 
Another anecdote. When I started going back to community college at nights with a dream of being a psychologist, I was making about 25k per year working in a call center for an HMO, they got bought out and I was laid off and scrambled to get another job for 8 bucks an hour just to pay my bills. I was debt free because nobody would loan my broke @ss money! Fast forward quite a few years and I am making good money, in a career that I love, and have incredible employment opportunities. When I decided to look for a new job last year because they cancelled our health insurance thanks to ACA, I started looking after Jan 1st (didn't want to stress during holiday season) and signed my new contract before the month was up for an immediate 15k per year increase plus improved benefits all the way around. Once I went on a production compensation package that added between 2000 - 4ooo per month depending on my ability to generate and maintain business. I have absolutely no regrets.
 
Straight salary has some perks. I am free to chase down research avenues at my leisure, and do not rely on grants and such. So, it's easy to shift responsibilities around so I don't get too bored. Although I also make money on the side from other ventures, so I stay busy and motivated in other ways.
 
I don't think I could ever be straight salary...too amotivating.
Isn't that what we did during internship and post-doc? I worked just as hard - I just didn't get the rewards. You must mean go back to salary.

Actually I do work a bit harder now that I get extra money for extra work. If I hadn't had a cancellation, I would be working through my lunch right now. :greedy:
 
I have a friend who first went to SMU for engineering, switched to cinema studies in his second year. He ended up producing several LGBT movies (not porn), some were successful, others were not. He is a very very smart guy, he had an entrepreneur spirit, so he would often do consulting with some businesses (I am forgetting exactly what), but this allowed him to support himself while he went back to do undergrad coursework in psychology, then a master's in neuroscience which he ended up not finishing because he ended up getting into UTSW clinical psych. program. He is a very hard worker, but damn I envy a lot of the things he has been able to do. I would love nothing more than to find a way to carve out some side things, something that would allow me to not rely on some crap $7.50/hr job.
 
Isn't that what we did during internship and post-doc? I worked just as hard - I just didn't get the rewards. You must mean go back to salary.

For me…internship and fellowship were a means to an end. My motivation was to learn as much as I could and position myself so I could be competitive for R1 AMCs in places I wanted to live. My motivation now is to earn good money while not having to work 60+ hr/wks.

I would love nothing more than to find a way to carve out some side things, something that would allow me to not rely on some crap $7.50/hr job.

It is totally doable once you get licensed. If you have some flexibility with where you want to work (even within a region), then you can be choosy about the kinds of hours you take on.
 
For the love of god, can a mod make ONE post about this and sticky it so this poor horse stops taking a beating?

Also want point out that in some states (Florida) you have to attend an APA program to get licensed. The OP said you don't have to go to an APA program to be a good psychologist. Well, if you wanna be licensed you may have to.
 
For the love of god, can a mod make ONE post about this and sticky it so this poor horse stops taking a beating?

Also want point out that in some states (Florida) you have to attend an APA program to get licensed. The OP said you don't have to go to an APA program to be a good psychologist. Well, if you wanna be licensed you may have to.
I think the OP was using sarcasm to vent some of his frustrations and apprehensions about his path and the misinformation that some of these schools are putting out.
 
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