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If you were accepted into medical school (DO or MD), did you find that your program helped immensely for your first semester of medical school? There is a chance I may be doing one this fall in hopes of matriculating to a DO school but I just want to know if the material you learn in a Master in Biomedical Sciences program (or similar program) helps with the transition to medical school and if it maybe makes learning material a little easier.
 
I just had a relatively in depth discussion with an OMS-2 that completed a SMP at the med school he attends. He stated that the masters didn't help much at all and he still studied constantly to keep his head above water, even in the courses he covered as a masters student. I know the plural of anecdote isn't data but I found it interesting. I still maintain that SMP's are a waste if you are interested in DO school.
 
I still maintain that SMP's are a waste if you are interested in DO school.

This. I don't understand why anyone would do an SMP that was interested in going to a DO school. If you want to make yourself more competitive, retakes are undoubtedly cheaper and more beneficial.
 
I have re-taken quite a few courses and have only been able to bring my cGPA up to a 2.93 and sGPA to 3.4 with a 27 (9/9/9) mcat. I am re-taking 4 more classes this March and if I get an A in each one, that will bring it up to around a 3.1 cum. and 3.5 science (could be 3.6 depending on how it would get coded). I am considering doing KCUMBs BMS program because they would replace my <3.25 cGPA with my master's gpa. But I understand that is putting all of my eggs into 1 basket and I need to be applying to lots of schools with my below average stats.

Thanks for your input.

By the way, the courses taken in March will be done at the end of May so grades will be higher when I would plan on submitting AACOMAS again. I am currently waitlisted at ACOM and pre-interview hold at several schools. I am assuming that I will not get an interviews this late in the season and with many MD applicants with higher stats throwing their hats in the DO pool as a back up.
 
This. I don't understand why anyone would do an SMP that was interested in going to a DO school. If you want to make yourself more competitive, retakes are undoubtedly cheaper and more beneficial.
Not as easy as you may think. Not all places will give the financial aid to support a post-bac. Also, if it takes you two years of retakes, an SMP can be faster and nearly guaranteed admission.
 
Not as easy as you may think. Not all places will give the financial aid to support a post-bac. Also, if it takes you two years of retakes, an SMP can be faster and nearly guaranteed admission.
That is my thinking with doing KCUMB to try and get in through a backdoor with their BMS program. But, I know that it isnt a guarantee.
 
This. I don't understand why anyone would do an SMP that was interested in going to a DO school. If you want to make yourself more competitive, retakes are undoubtedly cheaper and more beneficial.
I don't really agree with retaking classes because all it shows is that you can improve after taking the same class twice when everyone else did well after their first time. Anyone can (and should) improve the second time so it doesn't show much about your capability to perform at a higher level. Plus of you don't kill it the second time, it could hurt you.
 
That is my thinking with doing KCUMB to try and get in through a backdoor with their BMS program. But, I know that it isnt a guarantee.
You will be fine with 3.1/3.5/27. Those were my stats applying only to 7 (top) DO programs late in the cycle and got interviews at WesternU and Marian. Only rejection pre-interview was SOMA. The other 4 (pcom, nycom, tu-CA and OSU) I cancelled after getting into WesternU. If you apply more broadly than me, you should have no problem.
 
I have re-taken quite a few courses and have only been able to bring my cGPA up to a 2.93 and sGPA to 3.4 with a 27 (9/9/9) mcat. I am re-taking 4 more classes this March and if I get an A in each one, that will bring it up to around a 3.1 cum. and 3.5 science (could be 3.6 depending on how it would get coded). I am considering doing KCUMBs BMS program because they would replace my <3.25 cGPA with my master's gpa. But I understand that is putting all of my eggs into 1 basket and I need to be applying to lots of schools with my below average stats.

Thanks for your input.

By the way, the courses taken in March will be done at the end of May so grades will be higher when I would plan on submitting AACOMAS again. I am currently waitlisted at ACOM and pre-interview hold at several schools. I am assuming that I will not get an interviews this late in the season and with many MD applicants with higher stats throwing their hats in the DO pool as a back up.
If you bring that GPA up as predicted, you should be able to get in somewhere next cycle. But since you are interested in KCUMB, I think you get use their backdoor (BMS program) to get in....
 
I don't really agree with retaking classes because all it shows is that you can improve after taking the same class twice when everyone else did well after their first time. Anyone can (and should) improve the second time so it doesn't show much about your capability to perform at a higher level. Plus of you don't kill it the second time, it could hurt you.
Given my situation with the lower cGPA, I feel like I have to re-take some of these courses to get it above the 3.0 mark. I know that my science and MCAT are okay but I would prefer to not have my app tossed out immediately for being below the 3.0 cGPA mark. I feel like I would have a greater shot by re-takes this coming quarter then apply beginning of June and start at KCUMB (or Touro-CA MS program if admitted) to strengthen my app. I know I have to do very well in the program too.
 
Given my situation with the lower cGPA, I feel like I have to re-take some of these courses to get it above the 3.0 mark. I know that my science and MCAT are okay but I would prefer to not have my app tossed out immediately for being below the 3.0 cGPA mark. I feel like I would have a greater shot by re-takes this coming quarter then apply beginning of June and start at KCUMB (or Touro-CA MS program if admitted) to strengthen my app. I know I have to do very well in the program too.
My question is: Why would you want to spend one more year + more money when you will be perfectly fine with 3.1 cGPA, 3.5+ sGPA and 27 MCAT? Many schools will cut you some slack on that cGPA due to your good sGPA.
 
My question is: Why would you want to spend one more year + more money when you will be perfectly fine with 3.1 cGPA, 3.5+ sGPA and 27 MCAT? Many schools will cut you some slack on that cGPA due to your good sGPA.
I am just assuming that schools are very superficial when it comes to judging applicants based on numbers and academic accomplishments. Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way. When I see people post on here that they get in with average or below average stats, I then think of how many more people with the same numbers don't get in. I do have solids ECs and I am just trying to do what I can to enhance my application and if a BMS program linked to a DO school can provide that boost, then I may go that route, regardless of the cost. But I appreciate the input and am considering my options carefully.
 
I am just assuming that schools are very superficial when it comes to judging applicants based on numbers and academic accomplishments. Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way. When I see people post on here that they get in with average or below average stats, I then think of how many more people with the same numbers don't get in. I do have solids ECs and I am just trying to do what I can to enhance my application and if a BMS program linked to a DO school can provide that boost, then I may go that route, regardless of the cost. But I appreciate the input and am considering my options carefully.
The only thing that will be somewhat a concern in your application will be you cGPA, which is not in itself atrocious. I think you will be perfectly fine if your ECs are in-line and you apply to 12+ schools. Do NOT waste your time and money in that BMS if you are not gung-ho about KCUMB.
 
I don't really agree with retaking classes because all it shows is that you can improve after taking the same class twice when everyone else did well after their first time. Anyone can (and should) improve the second time so it doesn't show much about your capability to perform at a higher level. Plus of you don't kill it the second time, it could hurt you.
I retook a few classes and it bumped my gpa's significantly. I was offered 8 interviews, so I don't think the adcoms share your views.
 
I retook a few classes and it bumped my gpa's significantly. I was offered 8 interviews, so I don't think the adcoms share your views.
Oh ok. Everyone should just do what you did then.
 
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I greatly appreciate the different perspectives that everyone is sharing and I know that each option has it's pros and cons. I am currently a 2.93 cGPA 3.4 sGPA 27 MCAT (9/9/9). I applied to ACOM (interviewed/wait listed), Touro ca and ny, UNECOM, VCOM vc, KCUMB (I am aware of the cut off), PNWU, western Lebanon, CCOM, dmu, Marian, and ohio. I could have applied more broadly and to schools that weren't such a reach but I also want to get my app in a position where I can be competitive for these schools in particular. I could eliminate CCOM, dmu and ohio since those are way stretches.
 
Can anyone help me figure out if an SMP is even worth my time/money at this point...

As I stand now...

3.0 cGPA (MD GPA - osteo is closer to 3.2)
3.7 sGPA
3.9 post-bacc (including upper level courses)
3.6 last 120 hours
Standard volunteer hours/clinical experience
Great EC + anticipate scoring low 30's on MCAT based on early practices and a conservative guess.

I know I'd be fine for DO, so this is only for MD... Is there really a point of doing an SMP at this stage? I've taken several of the courses offered in some SMP's I've looked at. My post-bacc was nearly straight A's, as are my pre-reqs. What more will an SMP show at this point?
 
Not as easy as you may think. Not all places will give the financial aid to support a post-bac. Also, if it takes you two years of retakes, an SMP can be faster and nearly guaranteed admission.

He just needs to get above 3.0. Not sure why that correlates to two years of retakes. One semester of retakes is infinitely cheaper than an SMP, financial aid or not. Can probably do it at a CC for a couple grand versus $30k+ for an SMP. And hopefully Lost Vagus will chime in, but doing a masters at KCUMB doesn't guarantee admission, but I don't have the exact numbers.
 
He just needs to get above 3.0. Not sure why that correlates to two years of retakes. One semester of retakes is infinitely cheaper than an SMP, financial aid or not. Can probably do it at a CC for a couple grand versus $30k+ for an SMP. And hopefully Lost Vagus will chime in, but doing a masters at KCUMB doesn't guarantee admission, but I don't have the exact numbers.

I've got a 3.0, (3.02 to be exact) and am competitive with my sGPA. Why do people tell me I may still get screened out if it "just needs to get above 3.0"?
 
I was SET on doing an SMP at some point because of paranoia but I learned through experience that SMP's are a waste for DO schools. I retook prereqs and like two upper levels at most. NO ONE questioned me about it. NO ONE in my multiple interviews. If your GPA is like a 3.2+ with a 27+, DO schools aren't gonna nitpick on what classes you took. If you got the undergrad GPA and the MCAT to make their next incoming class look good, that holds higher priority.
 
I've got a 3.0, (3.02 to be exact) and am competitive with my sGPA. Why do people tell me I may still get screened out if it "just needs to get above 3.0"?

I don't know? You may not have your pick of the litter, but if you apply broadly you'll get in somewhere.

Fwiw, I had a 3.2 cGPA and received 7 interviews.
 
Thanks again to everyone commenting. I am on the fence with the smp and the only reasons I am considering it is because I would really like to attend KCUMB COM, it will take a long time to get my cgpa up to a 3.25 (been working on post bac since 2010 as a non-science grad), and I am hoping that the large course load of core sciences in the BMS program will help prepare me for medical school. If it doesn't really help as far as med school prep goes and I can get into a good (desirable location for me) DO school without doing the post-bac, then I will just stick with these quarter courses for re-takes and maybe do a couple of more re-takes in the summer quarter after my aacomas is submitted.
 
I don't know? You may not have your pick of the litter, but if you apply broadly you'll get in somewhere.

Fwiw, I had a 3.2 cGPA and received 7 interviews.

Yeah was just curious about that.

Are you talking 7 MD ii's? Can you give a range for your MCAT if you're not comfortable sharing the exact number?
 
Oh ok. Everyone should just do what you did then.

If they're applying to DO schools, then yes, they should retake classes they got C's(or worse) in and raise their gpa. Your attitude is amusing though.
 
I greatly appreciate the different perspectives that everyone is sharing and I know that each option has it's pros and cons. I am currently a 2.93 cGPA 3.4 sGPA 27 MCAT (9/9/9). I applied to ACOM (interviewed/wait listed), Touro ca and ny, UNECOM, VCOM vc, KCUMB (I am aware of the cut off), PNWU, western Lebanon, CCOM, dmu, Marian, and ohio. I could have applied more broadly and to schools that weren't such a reach but I also want to get my app in a position where I can be competitive for these schools in particular. I could eliminate CCOM, dmu and ohio since those are way stretches.
When were you complete? If you reapply and complete all your secondaries by July of next cycle, and apply to all the newer schools, you will be fine.
 
When were you complete? If you reapply and complete all your secondaries by July of next cycle, and apply to all the newer schools, you will be fine.
I submitted in september, complete in october and had secondaries in before November.

If I submit in June, even with updated grades around a 3.1 cGPA, 3.5-3.6ish sGPA with my mcat score, will schools be hesitant to offer interviews if they see that I am enrolled in a masters program?
 
I submitted in september, complete in october and had secondaries in before November.

If I submit in June, even with updated grades around a 3.1 cGPA, 3.5-3.6ish sGPA with my mcat score, will schools be hesitant to offer interviews if they see that I am enrolled in a masters program?

I submitted in June with a 3.0 c/sGPA and a 27. Got 3 ii's by october. I started my masters program in August but had no transcripts to submit to AACOMAS, so none of the schools I applied to knew I was doing the program. I think they would be more likely to extend ii's if they see you're enrolled in a masters program.
 
I submitted in June with a 3.0 c/sGPA and a 27. Got 3 ii's by october. I started my masters program in August but had no transcripts to submit to AACOMAS, so none of the schools I applied to knew I was doing the program. I think they would be more likely to extend ii's if they see you're enrolled in a masters program.
I see. So you didn't list the future courses that you were going to start that August in your aacomas app? Did you get accepted conditionally based on the results of your masters program? Or was that irrelevant?
 
I wanted to list them as future courses, but because they were at a different institution than my undergrad, AACOMAS wouldn't let me without a transcript from the new institution. One of my advisors sent them a confirmation letter saying I was in the program, but AACOMAS still didn't add them. I wound up sending in my fall transcript about a month ago which they did update my application with, but so far it hasn't had any effect in getting me any more ii's besides the first 3.

Yea, it was pretty much irrelevant. I did tell my interviewers that I was enrolled in the program, so they may have wrote something down...but all in all, I don't think it had much of an impact on the decision.

I kinda feel like this masters program was a waste since I was able to get 3 ii's based on my undergrad alone. Then again, it gives me another degree, a good foundation of the sciences for medical school and something to do in my gap year. Although, I still think about reapplying next year with a ~3.6 grad GPA and new MCAT for both MD and DO to see if I can get into a better school closer to home...but giving up an acceptance for the possibility of not getting any acceptances next year is frightening.
 
If they're applying to DO schools, then yes, they should retake classes they got C's(or worse) in and raise their gpa. Your attitude is amusing though.

A simple retake is not the option for everyone.
One they may be in a different town from where they originally took the classes so it may no longer be an option.
For those of us who have changed majors - retaking a class that is not related to your major is absolutely not worthwhile in the least.

And for some people who have a lot of credit hours - no amount of retakes is going to make a significant enough of a bump in your GPA

So while a SMP may not be perfect for everyone - for some people they are the only solution that is viable and as such are a perfectly viable option for those who are trying to get into medical school with no other way.

Personally I would not be siting where I am today if it was not for my SMP. I would not be getting ready to match or graduate. Instead I would be working most likely as a NP and probably miserable because I had given up on my dream. For me, and for the OP, SMPs are the second chance that we so desperately need.
 
A simple retake is not the option for everyone.
One they may be in a different town from where they originally took the classes so it may no longer be an option.
For those of us who have changed majors - retaking a class that is not related to your major is absolutely not worthwhile in the least.

And for some people who have a lot of credit hours - no amount of retakes is going to make a significant enough of a bump in your GPA

So while a SMP may not be perfect for everyone - for some people they are the only solution that is viable and as such are a perfectly viable option for those who are trying to get into medical school with no other way.

Personally I would not be siting where I am today if it was not for my SMP. I would not be getting ready to match or graduate. Instead I would be working most likely as a NP and probably miserable because I had given up on my dream. For me, and for the OP, SMPs are the second chance that we so desperately need.
Thanks for the reply. I have roughly 180 credit hours which 125 is from my bachelors so it has been an uphill climb when I began post bac with roughly a 2.6 to do the pre-med sciences and threw in some re-takes as well. I am going to re-take 4 classes to get the cgpa up to around a 3.1 and will also bring my sgpa up to around 3.5-6. But even with re-takes. I am still on the fence with which route to take as I would like to get into a DO school that is desirable for me. I don't mean to knock the LMUs, Pikevilles, etc. but I just don't picture myself feeling comfortable in a very rural area and am an urban city-dweller. Even at ACOM, I did not feel entirely comfortable in the area but the school itself was fantastic. I also am considering the smp route because I do want to have solid preparation for medical school and doing re-takes of gen ed courses that are boring and irrelevant will not prepare me efficiently.
 
I wanted to list them as future courses, but because they were at a different institution than my undergrad, AACOMAS wouldn't let me without a transcript from the new institution. One of my advisors sent them a confirmation letter saying I was in the program, but AACOMAS still didn't add them. I wound up sending in my fall transcript about a month ago which they did update my application with, but so far it hasn't had any effect in getting me any more ii's besides the first 3.

Yea, it was pretty much irrelevant. I did tell my interviewers that I was enrolled in the program, so they may have wrote something down...but all in all, I don't think it had much of an impact on the decision.

I kinda feel like this masters program was a waste since I was able to get 3 ii's based on my undergrad alone. Then again, it gives me another degree, a good foundation of the sciences for medical school and something to do in my gap year. Although, I still think about reapplying next year with a ~3.6 grad GPA and new MCAT for both MD and DO to see if I can get into a better school closer to home...but giving up an acceptance for the possibility of not getting any acceptances next year is frightening.
That is good to know. Do you mind sharing where you got interviews and how many schools you applied to?
 
That is good to know. Do you mind sharing where you got interviews and how many schools you applied to?

Sure. I applied to 16 (originally 15 until I added one more a month ago...after the first semester of the masters program I wanted to put my grades to use). Got ii's from Nova and ACOM very early and then LMU-DCOM about a month afterwards. I felt the same way about ACOM, great school and campus but that small town feel of 60,000 people wasn't exactly what I was looking for, although LMU has a population of 6,000 so it could have been worse for me. Will probably be going to ACOM unless I hear from another school in the next two months...or unless I decide to apply again, which is less than likely.
 
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Sure. I applied to 16 (originally 15 until I added one more a month ago...after the first semester of the masters program I wanted to put my grades to use). Got ii's from Nova and ACOM very early and then LMU-DCOM about a month afterwards. I felt the same way about ACOM, great school and campus but that small town feel of 60,000 people wasn't exactly what I was looking for, although LMU has a population of 6,000 so it could have been worse for me. Will probably be going to ACOM unless I hear from another school in the next two months...or unless I decide to apply again, which is less than likely.
Did you attend your NSU interview?
 
I submitted in september, complete in october and had secondaries in before November.

If I submit in June, even with updated grades around a 3.1 cGPA, 3.5-3.6ish sGPA with my mcat score, will schools be hesitant to offer interviews if they see that I am enrolled in a masters program?
Something isn't adding up to only have 1 ii with a 3.45 sgpa and 27, even being complete in October. I would also contact schools for feedback, as plenty of people with lower numbers than yours have gotten several ii's.
 
Something isn't adding up to only have 1 ii with a 3.45 sgpa and 27, even being complete in October. I would also contact schools for feedback, as plenty of people with lower numbers than yours have gotten several ii's.
Well I am certain that it has to do with my sub 3.0 cgpa. Even if I get it close to a 3.1, I feel like I am still at a disadvantage. I have a lot to think about and need to figure out which route to take. I suppose there is still hope for a late interview or 2 but its february and the cycle is turning towards the wrapping up stage.
 
Well I am certain that it has to do with my sub 3.0 cgpa. Even if I get it close to a 3.1, I feel like I am still at a disadvantage. I have a lot to think about and need to figure out which route to take. I suppose there is still hope for a late interview or 2 but its february and the cycle is turning towards the wrapping up stage.
Where have you been rejected so far?
 
Did you attend your NSU interview?

Yes, but once I got my ACOM acceptance I withdrew my app from NSU. I wasn't really impressed with Nova and I'm not a big fan of south FL either.
 
If they're applying to DO schools, then yes, they should retake classes they got C's(or worse) in and raise their gpa. Your attitude is amusing though.
You trying to be the authority on adcoms with such a narrow scope amuses me.
 
Well, all that aside, I'm sorry you got waitlisted after doing an smp. Good luck.
Got accepted to LMU if I don't get pulled off the waitlist at my school. Might see you in the fall, pal.
 
Where have you been rejected so far?
Pre-secondary rejection: Marian, KCUMB (of course), Western-lebanon, PNWU
Post-secondary rejection: DMU
Pre-interview hold: unecom, Touro Ca, Touro Ny, VCOM VC, Ohio, CCOM,
Interview & waitlist: ACOM
Midwesterner applicant BTDubs.
 
Pre-secondary rejection: Marian, KCUMB (of course), Western-lebanon, PNWU
Post-secondary rejection: DMU
Pre-interview hold: unecom, Touro Ca, Touro Ny, VCOM VC, Ohio, CCOM,
Interview & waitlist: ACOM
Midwesterner applicant BTDubs.
If you get your cgpa > 3.0, you will get more interviews than you will know what to do with. Worst case scenario, if it is still below 3.0, just add more schools like LMU, WVSOM, LUCOM, and KYCOM and complete everything by July.
 
OP,

I did the SMP (MSMHS) at the school I am currently an OMS-II at. The program gave me a good leg up when I started the program. Not only it allowed me to create relationships with the faculty, it gave me a head start on the curriculum when I started med school. I highly recommend doing the SMP at the top school you are interested in. Good luck.
 
OP,

I did the SMP (MSMHS) at the school I am currently an OMS-II at. The program gave me a good leg up when I started the program. Not only it allowed me to create relationships with the faculty, it gave me a head start on the curriculum when I started med school. I highly recommend doing the SMP at the top school you are interested in. Good luck.
Thanks for the info!
 
This. I don't understand why anyone would do an SMP that was interested in going to a DO school. If you want to make yourself more competitive, retakes are undoubtedly cheaper and more beneficial.

Pretty much agree on this, however it's probably the case that most SMP students are trying to get into an MD school.


I just had a relatively in depth discussion with an OMS-2 that completed a SMP at the med school he attends. He stated that the masters didn't help much at all and he still studied constantly to keep his head above water, even in the courses he covered as a masters student. I know the plural of anecdote isn't data but I found it interesting. I still maintain that SMP's are a waste if you are interested in DO school.

I have heard this from my compadres that also took an SMP (actually the same one I was in), but that has not been my experience. I have found my time/effort at the SMP has made my life significantly easier and less stressful. While I don't necessarily remember all of the specific information, I do remember the big picture and generalities from everything I studied; that is a HUGE advantage compared to the fresh-out-of-college students. This is in addition to the organization, time management, etc skills developed. It's kind of like going back and taking Organic Chemistry again after the MCAT, you still have to memorize all the little things, but you know whats going on, know whats important, know where the class is going, know where to look for info, etc and since you have also taken other by now classes like biochem, you know how things presented in organic chemistry relate to other things and fit together in the big picture.

I think the reason some SMP students don't find their time spent there translating to an easy time in med school is because the goal of your time in each is different. In an SMP, all that matters is your grades, as a result you have to 100% study for the test, learning every detail you can possibly cram in your brain. This is not always conducive to long-term memory of the subject matter. However, in medical school, no one cares about your grades and your focus actually becomes learning and mastering the subject. This way of learning tends to stick around for a long time. So, by the time SMP students start medical school, all that short-term cramming has all leaked out of their brain and you're back yo square one.
 
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