To tutor or not to tutor

[christian15213]

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Ok, I have to say this because every undergrad that is starting or is a freshman this year please pay attention...

I TA for Organic Chem and proctor Gen Chem exams... My friend TA's for Gen Chem and he pretty much confirms the same stories...

I ask all my kids, which is about 100 during the semester. "how many of you are pre-med." They all raise their hands beaming with joy and aspirations of being like dr. Grey or McDreamy or McSteamy...

Oh and then the semester begins...

The men seperated from the boys the women seperate from the girls... It is brutal... and the grades are DISASTEROUS... I mean these people go down like Mike Tyson after Jail...

Why? because they think it is a big joke or their looks or their personality, I dunno something, is going to get them through... I know a Girl who got a D in O chem 1 and a C in O chem I again, and a C in O chem II... I want to see the med school she gets into...

And then the Money makers come in... AKA TUTORS... that has to be the funniest part to the whole game. These kids refuse to study or learn on their own or with the resources that are given to them and all they do is go to massive tutoring sessions to get, "another lesson" and leave out paying 20 40 60 bucks and STILL bombing the exams...

PEOPLE come on... Ask the A students if they get tutors... Not all of them but most of them will tell you no.... Do you think they are so much smarter??? Perhaps, but honestly perhaps not...

Get to studying and save your money you'll need it for the application process...

I care that is why I teach...

 

[smuwillobrien]

This isn't a new conclusion - hence, people call them 'weed out' classes.

It's easy to say you're a pre - medical student. It's easy to sign up for the classes, to buy the books, to sit in class, to take notes, ... the hard part comes when you've got to walk it as well as you talk it.

If all these people did well then getting into medicine would be that much more difficult - increased competition, ... worry about yourself and study instead of preaching - it won't change anything.

 

[Senor Fish]

Ok, I have to say this because every undergrad that is starting or is a freshman this year please pay attention...

I TA for Organic Chem and proctor Gen Chem exams... My friend TA's for Gen Chem and he pretty much confirms the same stories...

I ask all my kids, which is about 100 during the semester. "how many of you are pre-med." They all raise their hands beaming with joy and aspirations of being like dr. Grey or McDreamy or McSteamy...

Oh and then the semester begins...

The men seperated from the boys the women seperate from the girls... It is brutal... and the grades are DISASTEROUS... I mean these people go down like Mike Tyson after Jail...

Why? because they think it is a big joke or their looks or their personality, I dunno something, is going to get them through... I know a Girl who got a D in O chem 1 and a C in O chem I again, and a C in O chem II... I want to see the med school she gets into...

And then the Money makers come in... AKA TUTORS... that has to be the funniest part to the whole game. These kids refuse to study or learn on their own or with the resources that are given to them and all they do is go to massive tutoring sessions to get, "another lesson" and leave out paying 20 40 60 bucks and STILL bombing the exams...

PEOPLE come on... Ask the A students if they get tutors... Not all of them but most of them will tell you no.... Do you think they are so much smarter??? Perhaps, but honestly perhaps not...

Get to studying and save your money you'll need it for the application process...

I care that is why I teach...

I just became a tutor for the first time this semester for a number of different subjects. I have to say, I think you are correct. It seems like the kids feel like I'll be a substitute for studying and that if they show up for a tutor session (without having done the reading and without having specific questions) that they will do better in the class.

Some of my students have improved- but not as many as I'd hoped. I've very quickly come to terms with the fact that I'll only be able to really help the students who want to help themselves.

SF

 

[Med_Cliche_Man]

Tutoring demonstrates that you are committed to help the world. This is why I go into medicine, and this is why I also tutor.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

Why? because they think it is a big joke or their looks or their personality, I dunno something, is going to get them through... I know a Girl who got a D in O chem 1 and a C in O chem I again, and a C in O chem II... I want to see the med school she gets into...

Uh don't be so high and mighty, some people just don't have the orgo gene. I got a C in both orgo I and II and I'll let you know what med school I go to you presumptuous chimp.

I think it's hilarious that you like to generalize all the people who utilize tutors as lazy or dumb or wasteful - some people just need the extra help, and I find it interesting that they would rather get tutors than go to their TA, so I'm more willing to assume there's some bit of incompetence on your part, considering your attitude towards students at the lower end of your grading scale.

Actually I'm not surprised, I remember the kind of posts you made on the AA threads, and I've stopped being disappointed at how you exemplify just how far human character has fallen.

 

[smuwillobrien]

Uh don't be so high and mighty, some people just don't have the orgo gene. I got a C in both orgo I and II and I'll let you know what med school I go to you presumptuous chimp.

I think it's hilarious that you like to generalize all the people who utilize tutors as lazy or dumb or wasteful - some people just need the extra help, and I find it interesting that they would rather get tutors than go to their TA, so I'm more willing to assume there's some bit of incompetence on your part, considering your attitude towards students at the lower end of your grading scale.

Actually I'm not surprised, I remember the kind of posts you made on the AA threads, and I've stopped being disappointed at how you exemplify just how far human character has fallen.

Ouch. LOL

 

[christian15213]

Ouch. LOL

eternal rage is a little upset about the post I lambasted him for being an ARSE about a kid asking some type of question or another regarding his chances or something... but For rage to be sitting here now preching the you are mean and your are this is purely hillarious because he is the first to do it...

But alas, you a** you are missing my point entirely... For anyone to get a C in Orgo I and II you have not to of tried... for one Orgo II is 10x's easier than I... TWOOOOO If you don't have the ORGO gene... then you probably don't have the BIOCHEM GENE... or gen chem gene for that matter... So while they aren't the exact same class they are similar in conception and mechanistic aspects... Lastly, if you got a C in both ORG I and II... what did you get in BIOCHEM and do you really think you're gonna get into an MD school with those stats??? just asking.

Now on to more important matters...

TUTORING... I love tutoring you MOMO... I tutored before I was a TA and I tutor still... My class is 50 minutes long and there is a lecture that ensues... so kids can't come to me and just start asking away about "other" questions... lol, even thought they still do and I stay after to help as much as possible... even with that said... I get highly upset with my students when they come to me and I know they haven't read... Or it is class time and they are comming in and doing the homework 5 minutes before class... THESE PEOPLE are the majority and these people are the ones I am talking about. All I am saying is that it is upsetting of how much people intitially want something and could give a rats arse of the ethic and commitment it takes to actually get there.

Getting the tutor is just silly... that is all I am saying... I have gotten tutors and no I don't have the physics gene, partly because I haven't taken a math class in about 8 years... so that was my cryptonite. I got an B+ in one and an A in two... that is because I studied more and went to see tutors and TA's so that I could get the parts I was missing... NOT THE WHOLE THING...

if you can't see what I am saying perhaps that is more to the reason why you recieve the grades you do.

 

[Missterious1]

No, christian, eternalrage is actually CORRECT. Your posts generally do not make any sense whatsoever, and after seeing those AA posts, I thought you were a troll... that is, until I saw you put up your myspace (or was it xanga?) page.

I have tutored before and I don't believe everyone who sees a tutor is doing this instead of studying. As TexasFool stated, a tutor can help people find their faults... sometimes people do not immediately recognize their own faults and it helps when someone can help identify and fix the underlying problem. It is frustrating when someone clearly hasn't done the reading and is coming in completely clueless, but this isn't everyone... or maybe in your school, it is?

It IS possible to do well in biochem without doing as well in orgo.
And it is also possible to get into med school with C's. Even good schools. There are so many variables that go into admitting students that one or two C's do not have to kill your chances.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

eternal rage is a little upset about the post I lambasted him for being an ARSE about a kid asking some type of question or another regarding his chances or something...

I don't remember this incident you are describing, but it's not why I'm trying to cybercheck you here. If you've forgotten, you started this AA thread with no purpose other than to incite a forum riot and jump on the AA bandwagon that we had a couple months ago:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=317813
And just so everyone here can get a feel for what people felt about your posts, here were some of the responses to christian15213:

I dont think it's RACISM or discrimination, I think you just need to CHILL-the-@#$!-OUT.

Does this make sense to anyone else?
Wow. Seriously, cry more noob.

Obvious troll. Feeding time is over

did i just get suckered by a troll? this can't be 4 real

Your last part of the paragraph sorta makes u look like a troll.

Just for these comments - especially the one about concluding the doctors were foreign or American based on their names (that's pretty dumb of you bro) - I hope you don't get into med school. You're the only one on SDN I've said this to.

There is a lot of unnecessary anger in this thread.
This had nothing to do with race.

Notice that no one has agreed with you yet? Maybe that means something. It all seems to be going in one ear and out the other.

please open your eyes to the real world. like i've said, **** happens. learning to deal with something you cannot fix will probably benefit you.

This is by far the most ******ed thread on SDN. Here's this guy, whos's been bitchslapped once, and probably doesn't talk to his Italian mother anymore so he's bitching abt it on SDN. Dude, go cry alone in your room. We all have our own problems to deal with.

christian, first of all, i'm a guy with a girl as my avatar. second, it's obvious you're stuck in your little racist rut and nothing anyone says is going to pull you out of it. go do your thing, keep pulling the race card, and you'll see where that gets you in the US.

Come on, the crap you are whining about like a little baby is not even close to being racism. Its pre-med hoops that everyone jumps through.

Alot more where that came from. The OP's posts are usually negative and aren't very constructive or relevent, like this thread.

But alas, you a** you are missing my point entirely... For anyone to get a C in Orgo I and II you have not to of tried...

How can you generalize like this??? Orgo is just hard for some people!! I worked my ass off in both Orgo's and I just simply could not get it.

for one Orgo II is 10x's easier than I... TWOOOOO If you don't have the ORGO gene... then you probably don't have the BIOCHEM GENE... or gen chem gene for that matter... So while they aren't the exact same class they are similar in conception and mechanistic aspects... Lastly, if you got a C in both ORG I and II... what did you get in BIOCHEM and do you really think you're gonna get into an MD school with those stats??? just asking.

Just because you aren't good at a class doesn't mean you can't understand something else. And for the record, in Biochem I and II, I got A's. In my repro bio course, mol bio course, and cell bio course, I got A's. So go jump in a lake.

I get highly upset with my students when they come to me and I know they haven't read... Or it is class time and they are comming in and doing the homework 5 minutes before class... THESE PEOPLE are the majority and these people are the ones I am talking about.

You did not specify this. You made general statements about kids getting tutors and you automatically assumed they don't want to put in the work or don't want to learn. And you even went as far as to make fun of one of YOUR STUDENTS who did poorly. I have no respect for those who are in a position to teach and then have contempt for their students, no matter what their grades or studying habits are.

if you can't see what I am saying perhaps that is more to the reason why you recieve the grades you do.

No I don't see what you're saying because you make broad general statements about your students and then expect people to understand that you mean a specific subgroup. And on top of that you make comments like this:

Getting the tutor is just silly... that is all I am saying...

And then the Money makers come in... AKA TUTORS... that has to be the funniest part to the whole game.

and then you write contradicting stuff like this:

TUTORING... I love tutoring you MOMO... I tutored before I was a TA and I tutor still...

I have gotten tutors and no I don't have the physics gene

Just know that people on this forum will not stand for your poisonous, generalizing, uninformed threads, and I for one will ALWAYS be there to check you - your arrogance and YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS YOUR OWN STUDENTS makes me sick.

 

[Lindyhopper]

Tutoring is great. It's just not a substitute for studying.
I TA, tutor, & teach MCATs for TPR. I see students of all sorts of different abilities, backgounds, & motivational levels. It's my job to help them learn, not to be judgemental. No need to hate.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

Tutoring is great. It's just not a substitute for studying.
I TA, tutor, & teach MCATs for TPR. I see students of all sorts of different abilities, backgounds, & motivational levels. It's my job to help them learn, not to be judgemental. No need to hate.

Exactly. Being a teacher has some things in common with being a doctor. Not our place to be judgemental, but to help them. The OP cannot grasp this concept.

 

[peterpansy]

eternal rage is a little upset about the post I lambasted him for being an ARSE about a kid asking some type of question or another regarding his chances or something... but For rage to be sitting here now preching the you are mean and your are this is purely hillarious because he is the first to do it...

But alas, you a** you are missing my point entirely... For anyone to get a C in Orgo I and II you have not to of tried... for one Orgo II is 10x's easier than I... TWOOOOO If you don't have the ORGO gene... then you probably don't have the BIOCHEM GENE... or gen chem gene for that matter... So while they aren't the exact same class they are similar in conception and mechanistic aspects... Lastly, if you got a C in both ORG I and II... what did you get in BIOCHEM and do you really think you're gonna get into an MD school with those stats??? just asking.

Now on to more important matters...

TUTORING... I love tutoring you MOMO... I tutored before I was a TA and I tutor still... My class is 50 minutes long and there is a lecture that ensues... so kids can't come to me and just start asking away about "other" questions... lol, even thought they still do and I stay after to help as much as possible... even with that said... I get highly upset with my students when they come to me and I know they haven't read... Or it is class time and they are comming in and doing the homework 5 minutes before class... THESE PEOPLE are the majority and these people are the ones I am talking about. All I am saying is that it is upsetting of how much people intitially want something and could give a rats arse of the ethic and commitment it takes to actually get there.

Getting the tutor is just silly... that is all I am saying... I have gotten tutors and no I don't have the physics gene, partly because I haven't taken a math class in about 8 years... so that was my cryptonite. I got an B+ in one and an A in two... that is because I studied more and went to see tutors and TA's so that I could get the parts I was missing... NOT THE WHOLE THING...

if you can't see what I am saying perhaps that is more to the reason why you recieve the grades you do.

Wow, get off your high horse. While it's understandable that not everyone will have the perfect work ethic/study habbits, you shouldn't look down on people because they don't do things the way you do. And it is possible for someone (e.g. yours truly) to get bad grades (C's) in Orgo and get into a great medical school, provided all other grades are up to par. I work as a tutor for physics, and some of the students I work with could do with a little more reading, or independent studying, but they get their 1 hour a week and it's up to them to use it wisely. While I do advise them to study on their own and come to me with prepared questions, I would never criticize my tuttees (to their face or behind their back) for the way they handle themselves, and I don't think anyone else should either. You get paid to teach them - so shut up and do it. And if you don't like it, then quit. These people are the reason you have a job and you should be working to help them, not whining about the fact that they need help.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

Wow, get off your high horse. While it's understandable that not everyone will have the perfect work ethic/study habbits, you shouldn't look down on people because they don't do things the way you do. And it is possible for someone (e.g. yours truly) to get bad grades (C's) in Orgo and get into a great medical school, provided all other grades are up to par. I work as a tutor for physics, and some of the students I work with could do with a little more reading, or independent studying, but they get their 1 hour a week and it's up to them to use it wisely. While I do advise them to study on their own and come to me with prepared questions, I would never criticize my tuttees (to their face or behind their back) for the way they handle themselves, and I don't think anyone else should either. You get paid to teach them - so shut up and do it. And if you don't like it, then quit. These people are the reason you have a job and you should be working to help them, not whining about the fact that they need help.

Exactly. Geez I still can't believe OP made fun of one of his students's grades. Teaching is a responsibility, no matter what the position, and he's not fit to be either a teacher or a leader with that kind of attitude.

 

[Kardizzle]

Exactly. Being a teacher has some things in common with being a doctor. Not our place to be judgemental, but to help them. The OP cannot grasp this concept.

Some trivia: the word "doctor" is latin for "teacher."

 

[AZhopeful]

Some trivia: the word "doctor" is latin for "teacher."

Yeah, it seems that often the type of volunteering that I'm in or find myself interested in seems to have something to do with teaching. Strange how it keeps happening over and over again...

 

[MinnyGophers]

Yeah, it seems that often the type of volunteering that I'm in or find myself interested in seems to have something to do with teaching. Strange how it keeps happening over and over again...

Isn't it the whole point of living though? Teaching what you have learned in your lifetime to those who come after you?
Whatever you do, you'll end up teaching someone something always.

 

[Kardizzle]

Ok, I have to say this because every undergrad that is starting or is a freshman this year please pay attention...

I TA for Organic Chem and proctor Gen Chem exams... My friend TA's for Gen Chem and he pretty much confirms the same stories...

I ask all my kids, which is about 100 during the semester. "how many of you are pre-med." They all raise their hands beaming with joy and aspirations of being like dr. Grey or McDreamy or McSteamy...

Oh and then the semester begins...

The men seperated from the boys the women seperate from the girls... It is brutal... and the grades are DISASTEROUS... I mean these people go down like Mike Tyson after Jail...

Why? because they think it is a big joke or their looks or their personality, I dunno something, is going to get them through... I know a Girl who got a D in O chem 1 and a C in O chem I again, and a C in O chem II... I want to see the med school she gets into...

And then the Money makers come in... AKA TUTORS... that has to be the funniest part to the whole game. These kids refuse to study or learn on their own or with the resources that are given to them and all they do is go to massive tutoring sessions to get, "another lesson" and leave out paying 20 40 60 bucks and STILL bombing the exams...

PEOPLE come on... Ask the A students if they get tutors... Not all of them but most of them will tell you no.... Do you think they are so much smarter??? Perhaps, but honestly perhaps not...

Get to studying and save your money you'll need it for the application process...

I care that is why I teach...

I remember you. You're the monkey who busted a nut in his pants after watching cardiac surgery, and then busted the other nut when the surgeon yelled at everyone else in the OR.

Stop thinking your f**king godly because you're good at orgo. You're not a TA because you care--you're TA so you can laugh at people who struggle with the material and reinforce your beliefs that your orgo prowess makes you godly.

Why? Because you act like if you can't cut it in orgo, you can't cut it in med school. You're not even in med school, how would you know? You thrive on belittling others.

Who are you to claim that premeds who aren't good at orgo think they can get into med school by their looks and personality. Let me tell you something: you don't get into med school based on your orgo grade. And you definitely don't get into med school based on your shi**y, elitist personality.

And based on your posts, you can't even write or communicate intelligibly. What makes you think you can laugh at people who can't do organic chemistry when you can't even write as well as a fifth grader? Bitch, you're ******ed.

 

[psipsina]

Just a random observation . . . we have a tutoring system set up at medschool . . . and certainly I don't think we can accuse people who have gotten into medschool as being lazy or not able to study on their own, cause they got here in the first place, so making the same assumption about undergrads who utilize tutors is a$$anine. In my class those who are getting a certain course volunteer to tutor those who may be struggling, and it doesn't mean that they aren't working their tails off, but some subjects just don't click for some people. I was personally ******ed at genchem but rocked out ochem in undergrad, got a mcat score I was proud of (thou not up to sdn standars I'm sure) and am now doing well in medical school. . . I probably should have got some tutoring in gchem way back when, . . . . when your classmates struggle you should want to help them, not judge them, because someday you may encounter a class that you will struggle in (I know it seems impossible to some of you undergrad superstars but if you make it to medschool it will probably happen) and then you'd sure want your classmates to help out and not judge you.

 

[ssquared]

But alas, you a** you are missing my point entirely... For anyone to get a C in Orgo I and II you have not to of tried... for one Orgo II is 10x's easier than I... TWOOOOO If you don't have the ORGO gene... then you probably don't have the BIOCHEM GENE... or gen chem gene for that matter... So while they aren't the exact same class they are similar in conception and mechanistic aspects... Lastly, if you got a C in both ORG I and II... what did you get in BIOCHEM and do you really think you're gonna get into an MD school with those stats??? just asking.

You give people absolutely no credit here! I got a C+ in Orgo I, and a C in Orgo II. Am I an idiot? No. I suffered from terrible health problems at the time and I think it's impressive that I managed to pass at all. Will I need to try to recover from those grades to get into med school? Sure thing. But the reality of it is that you need to develop some sympathy for those students who are getting C's. Instead of criticizing their grades, you should ask WHY they're getting those grades. You need to develop some compassion if you're ever going to make the kind of physician that people want taking care of them.

 

[Kardizzle]

But alas, you a** you are missing my point entirely... For anyone to get a C in Orgo I and II you have not to of tried... for one Orgo II is 10x's easier than I... TWOOOOO If you don't have the ORGO gene... then you probably don't have the BIOCHEM GENE... or gen chem gene for that matter... So while they aren't the exact same class they are similar in conception and mechanistic aspects... Lastly, if you got a C in both ORG I and II... what did you get in BIOCHEM and do you really think you're gonna get into an MD school with those stats??? just asking.

Sounds like you have the small-penis gene for that matter.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

if you can't see what I am saying perhaps that is more to the reason why you recieve the grades you do.

Just as I said to you in the Gen Chem thread, the fall from that horse of yours is going to hurt like hell.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

Yo Christian15213, are you reading all of this? I really hope you realize what kind of road you're headed down and take this time to reflect on the criticism from your peers, because they're probably going to be the ones stoning you at your M&M hearings in the future...

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Yo Christian15213, are you reading all of this? I really hope you realize what kind of road you're headed down and take this time to reflect on the criticism from your peers, because they're probably going to be the ones stoning you at your M&M hearings in the future...

I've heard of M&M hearings before, but I don't know what they are. Can you explain it to me?

 

[MinnyGophers]

I've heard of M&M hearings before, but I don't know what they are. Can you explain it to me?

Morbity & Mortality

They basically go over and discuss cases where the doc in charge made an error. Usually, many docs state their opinions of what they would have done in that case. Basically a pimping by peers.

 

[wolfram241]

I've heard of M&M hearings before, but I don't know what they are. Can you explain it to me?

There's a reason Google sells at like $500/share....

 

[DMO]

500 dollars a share and I can't find a quick link to the explanation of "M&M hearings". Maybe I typed in something wrong....or google sucks.

 

[wolfram241]

500 dollars a share and I can't find a quick link to the explanation of "M&M hearings". Maybe I typed in something wrong....or google sucks.

I tried "M&M medicine", and got a M&M fact sheet as the fifth result. But then again I'm very creative like that, so don't compare yourself to me.

 

[pguin]

PEOPLE come on... Ask the A students if they get tutors... Not all of them but most of them will tell you no.... Do you think they are so much smarter??? Perhaps, but honestly perhaps not...

I tutored about 15 different students in 3 different courses (basic chem, physics, and genetics) and everyone of them got an A or A- in the course they were taking. I'm pretty sure that makes them A students who had tutors.

BTW, I personally got a B- and a C+ in orgo. Apparently at the age of 19 I had more of a desire to go out and socialize on the weekends rather than spending all of my time in a library!...holy S!@# obviously I will never be able to make anything of myself because that performance shows just how stupid I am! Its back to garbage collecting for me

 

[christian15213]

you know... If know one sees my point fine. The attitude is horrible... lets think about this for a moment... Lets say you get a C in all chemistry classes. Gen Chem I and II and org I and II... witht the standard GPA being 3 credits... x 4 quality points... equalls 12... saying you get a C so that would be 2 quality points... so 3 x 2 equals 6 and thus you would have a GPA of 2.0...

PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE as I am standing... NO floating ON MY horse... I want to MEET the person who received a C in all chem courses and got into medical school...

you people are so BANDWAGON and are so quick to jump on other peoples pity comments it is ******ed...

I am a teacher first and foremost... I care about all the kids I teach absolutely... If you asked anyone I have ever taught they would tell you that I am good at what I do and I care... However, 90 percent of the kids don't care or give a rats arse to get a decent grade like they should... A B is fine and a B+ being even better but a C is disasterous for a GPA... Why is this news to you... Getting C's is not going to get you into medical school... Sorry to BURST your bubble...

With that said getting a couple C's overall is fine... but if your BCPM is a 3.3 -3.2 and lower, you need to really think about what it is that you are doing and how you can improve.

I say this because I care... not because I think I am god... I want my kids to do well, even if it means more competition for me... American kids lack so much in math and science it is a shame... I wish it were different... maybe more of our kids could get more open slots for medschool rather than us subsidizing out physicians from out of the country...

IF you are offended because I have trashed your work ethic TOO BAD... GROW up and understand that C's and B's aren't MEDSCHOOL material...

 

[christian15213]

oh and furthermore, for the kids that aren't going to med school I treat them in a totally different manner... meaning I just want them to do the best they can and pass....

 

[MedStudentWanna]

I tried "M&M medicine", and got a M&M fact sheet as the fifth result. But then again I'm very creative like that, so don't compare yourself to me.

I got an answer much faster by just asking someone who was helpful enough and courteous enough to respond instead of being lost in a terminal case of jackassidness.

Thank you, MinnyGophers!

 

[MedStudentWanna]

IF you are offended because I have trashed your work ethic TOO BAD... GROW up and understand that C's and B's aren't MEDSCHOOL material...

Actually, I think you're the one who needs to grow up. You have a lot to learn about life and about people because at this point, you're not med school material. Sorry, bud.

 

[psipsina]

you know... If know one sees my point fine. The attitude is horrible... lets think about this for a moment... Lets say you get a C in all chemistry classes. Gen Chem I and II and org I and II... witht the standard GPA being 3 credits... x 4 quality points... equalls 12... saying you get a C so that would be 2 quality points... so 3 x 2 equals 6 and thus you would have a GPA of 2.0...

PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE as I am standing... NO floating ON MY horse... I want to MEET the person who received a C in all chem courses and got into medical school...

you people are so BANDWAGON and are so quick to jump on other peoples pity comments it is ******ed...

I am a teacher first and foremost... I care about all the kids I teach absolutely... If you asked anyone I have ever taught they would tell you that I am good at what I do and I care... However, 90 percent of the kids don't care or give a rats arse to get a decent grade like they should... A B is fine and a B+ being even better but a C is disasterous for a GPA... Why is this news to you... Getting C's is not going to get you into medical school... Sorry to BURST your bubble...

With that said getting a couple C's overall is fine... but if your BCPM is a 3.3 -3.2 and lower, you need to really think about what it is that you are doing and how you can improve.

I say this because I care... not because I think I am god... I want my kids to do well, even if it means more competition for me... American kids lack so much in math and science it is a shame... I wish it were different... maybe more of our kids could get more open slots for medschool rather than us subsidizing out physicians from out of the country...

IF you are offended because I have trashed your work ethic TOO BAD... GROW up and understand that C's and B's aren't MEDSCHOOL material...

Ummm . . . I had a 3.1 BCPM and I got into multiple medical schools and am performing at the top of my class. . . so yeah, . . . there's more to being medschool material than numbers.

 

[wolfram241]

I got an answer much faster by just asking someone who was helpful enough and courteous enough to respond instead of being lost in a terminal case of jackassidness.

Thank you, MinnyGophers!

While I don't deny my jackassidness (in fact, I embrace it), I can't help but wonder, what year was Winston Churchill born?

 

[GoodDoctor]

While I don't deny my jackassidness (in fact, I embrace it), I can't help but wonder, what year was Winston Churchill born?

I'm pretty sure he's both too old and too dead to get into med school. Still, you might want to ask in the Non-Trad Forum...

 

[gujuDoc]

First off, if that other thread of yours wasn't stupid enough this one is even more stupid!!!

Yes there are a lot of people that do take tutoring for granted and still won't get good grades. Its called......they won't go to med school.

But there are also lot of people who get tutoring because they don't understand the professor or because they need someone else (an extra helping hand if you will) to help tutor them and explain things in a way that makes it simpler for them to understand. Often times those people do improve and do better.

I have friends that have been tutored and it has helped them a great deal. Its the same with MCAT courses vs. studying on your own. Some people do better when they have someone to explain things they don't understand while others learn very easily on their own.

 

[gujuDoc]

Actually, I think you're the one who needs to grow up. You have a lot to learn about life and about people because at this point, you're not med school material. Sorry, bud.

Agreed. This person says they are 27 years old and they come off worse then a 5 year old on here. they are rude, immature, and their posts are just down right obnoxious.

You don't know anyone's situation or anything about an applicant besides how they are doing in your class.

One or 2 c's isn't a death kill for medical school if a person can do better in the next higher level course.

It sounds like you've never been in a situation where something has happened and things have gone wrong due to other things besides lack of understanding material like going through personal problems or other such factors. Sometimes outside factors can affect a person's ability to do well in school but if they show an upward trend they'll get in. If they can't and continue to fail they won't. Leave the judgement calls to the adcoms to make rather then trying to make it for them.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

you know... If know one sees my point fine. The attitude is horrible... lets think about this for a moment... Lets say you get a C in all chemistry classes. Gen Chem I and II and org I and II... witht the standard GPA being 3 credits... x 4 quality points... equalls 12... saying you get a C so that would be 2 quality points... so 3 x 2 equals 6 and thus you would have a GPA of 2.0...

IF you are offended because I have trashed your work ethic TOO BAD... GROW up and understand that C's and B's aren't MEDSCHOOL material...

I got 6 C's in undergrad. I had 5 interviews and counting so far. So go jump in a lake. Statistically, in a typical medical school class, there are just as many people who did poorly in undergrad at the TOP of the class as there are people who did well in undergrad at the BOTTOM of the class. So don't generalize. Just don't. By now the grave you have dug for yourself has reached the other side of the earth. Congrats on being a total douche.

you people are so BANDWAGON and are so quick to jump on other peoples pity comments it is ******ed...

You're so on your high horse. Drink a pint of humility and recognize that when EVERYONE is cyberspanking you, it isn't bandwagon. Never, never in all the years of my forum hopping have I seen someone hit by such a united front like you have here on SDN. Please stop being arrogant for one second and realize that when the entire forum is b*tching you out, that means YOU have the problem.

I am a teacher first and foremost... I care about all the kids I teach absolutely... If you asked anyone I have ever taught they would tell you that I am good at what I do and I care... However, 90 percent of the kids don't care or give a rats arse to get a decent grade like they should... A B is fine and a B+ being even better but a C is disasterous for a GPA... Why is this news to you... Getting C's is not going to get you into medical school... Sorry to BURST your bubble...

ABSOLUTE CRAP. You made fun of one of your students that made C's and D's. I don't f**king care what you say about yourself, your actions show that you are COMPLETELY inadequate for teaching. Being a teacher is about as much as being a student, humble and serving - something you need alot of work on.

 

[TPROrgoTutor]

I've tutored many people in Orgo up from a D/C on first test to A/B overall grade. These were intelligent people with the desire to put the work in but needed to get another viewpoint. Also, I make up a lot of new questions for them on the spot that exemplify the trickier portions well, this is very helpful for students. Obviously, the students are not unintelligent if they manage the A/B overall, they just need another viewpoint or practice problems.

 

[DoctorPardi]

I agree with TPRorgo, a tutors job should be to help the student in the best way he can. Don't judge people, or assume they aren't trying.

I have been in the student lounge at my school and heard tutors complain about tutoring kids who obviously made no attempt to study. While that is probably very frustrating, it is your job to help students learn the material.

 

[maestro1625]

meh, I tutor orgo thru the school and it's free to anyone who wants it. I make like 7.50 an hour doing it.

 

[notdeadyet]

I am a teacher first and foremost... I care about all the kids I teach absolutely...

I kind of doubt that you've had any formal training as a teacher. Just a hunch. But just to let you know, calling any students above the elementary school age "kids" has been frowned upon in academic circles for years.

For a 27 year old to call his students that are for the most part only between five and eight years younger? It smacks of pretention. I'm 34 and don't refer to my students as "kids". And when your students are vying for the same admissions as you? It's really bad.

oh and furthermore, for the kids that aren't going to med school I treat them in a totally different manner... meaning I just want them to do the best they can and pass....

Also a fundamental of teaching: goal-based discrimination is frowned upon as well. Teaching/treating students in the same class differently based on their stated life-goals is educationally unethical.

I wish you the best of success, Christian, but I get a little nervous when people identify themselves as a teacher but don't seem to have a foundation in teaching.

 

[MinnyGophers]

I kind of doubt that you've had any formal training as a teacher. Just a hunch. But just to let you know, calling any students above the elementary school age "kids" has been frowned upon in academic circles for years.

For a 27 year old to call his students that are for the most part only between five and eight years younger? It smacks of pretention. I'm 34 and don't refer to my students as "kids". And when your students are vying for the same admissions as you? It's really bad.


Also a fundamental of teaching: goal-based discrimination is frowned upon as well. Teaching/treating students in the same class differently based on their stated life-goals is educationally unethical.

I wish you the best of success, Christian, but I get a little nervous when people identify themselves as a teacher but don't seem to have a foundation in teaching.

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Or people who judge who deserve/doesnt deserve to go to med school, and yet hasn't even made it in yet.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

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Or people who judge who deserve/doesnt deserve to go to med school, and yet hasn't even made it in yet.

Yeah good call Gophers, who is this guy to talk?

 

[breck]

I kind of doubt that you've had any formal training as a teacher. Just a hunch. But just to let you know, calling any students above the elementary school age "kids" has been frowned upon in academic circles for years.

For a 27 year old to call his students that are for the most part only between five and eight years younger? It smacks of pretention. I'm 34 and don't refer to my students as "kids". And when your students are vying for the same admissions as you? It's really bad.


Also a fundamental of teaching: goal-based discrimination is frowned upon as well. Teaching/treating students in the same class differently based on their stated life-goals is educationally unethical.

I wish you the best of success, Christian, but I get a little nervous when people identify themselves as a teacher but don't seem to have a foundation in teaching.

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I got a B and two B+'s in OChem (I must be really slow ) and I was asked to TA the course the next year, b/c obviously my school was hard up for TA's. I had the self respect, and common courtesy to other students (not kids or children, other students) to turn down this offer, in spite of the potential resume padding I could have used. I knew I would be doing others a disservice and would have wound up making myself look like an ass had I accepted the job. You can guarantee that I would have had to pin the blame on others and call them lazy, unmotivated, and unqualified for medical school to save face too. But I don't play that game. There's a huge difference between being able to squeeze out some B's in a class and being qualified to teach the subject.
Biology is another story for me though. I was very confident in that subject and knew I could help others. I went to graduate school and worked as a TA while there. Many of the students I encountered were older than me, so I can't even fathom referring to these students (I don't call them "my" students b/c I wasn't the professor for any of the courses) as kids. I think that is extremely degrading. I don't know what the OP's problem is. There were plenty of students that were doing bad in the course who came in for help. I never dissed a single one of them. Obviously they care about their grades and finding a way to succeed or they wouldn't be taking time out of their schedule to see me. I never ever discouraged them from getting any outside help. If they wanted to get tutors, or go to other TA's, or only wanted to talk to the professors that was their business, not mine. All I cared about was doing my part to help them succeed. Sorry, I'm having writers diarhhea here. But the point is the OP sounds really shady. God knows I had some weak TA's but at least they were responsible and accountable enough not to pin the blame on the students. I feel bad for the OP's students and think the OP needs a very serious attitude adjustment.

 

[Kardizzle]

I am a teacher first and foremost... I care about all the kids I teach absolutely... If you asked anyone I have ever taught they would tell you that I am good at what I do and I care... However, 90 percent of the kids don't care or give a rats arse to get a decent grade like they should... A B is fine and a B+ being even better but a C is disasterous for a GPA... Why is this news to you... Getting C's is not going to get you into medical school... Sorry to BURST your bubble...

You're just a TA. Don't act like being a TA is such a great, powerful position. At my school, all you had to do was get a decent grade or orally manipulate phalli to be a TA. It doesn't mean you're hot shiznit or a genius.

And why do you think you're entitled to labelling people as non-med school material when you write and act like this: I saw HEART SURGERY TODAY CABG and I want to do CARDIO. Are you really 27? You act like a 12 year-old who just discovered free internet porn and creamed his pants.

 

[christian15213]

You're just a TA. Don't act like being a TA is such a great, powerful position. At my school, all you had to do was get a decent grade or orally manipulate phalli to be a TA. It doesn't mean you're hot shiznit or a genius.

And why do you think you're entitled to labelling people as non-med school material when you write and act like this: I saw HEART SURGERY TODAY CABG and I want to do CARDIO. Are you really 27? You act like a 12 year-old who just discovered free internet porn and creamed his pants.

Kardizzle... please have you read what you posted??? orally manipulate phalli to be a tA... WTF are you talking about... and you are questioning what I am writing about?

 

[christian15213]

I got 6 C's in undergrad. I had 5 interviews and counting so far. So go jump in a lake.

6 C's in undergrad... were they all science's? The answer superman is NO they weren't because if they were you wouldn't have any interviews...

Lastly, me calling my students kids... is what I call them... has nothing to do with respect... LOL are you kidding me... lol wowwwwww....

And I probably call them kids because honestly I have substituted for the past 4 years with middle school and highschool KIDSSSSSSSSSSSSS...

So yes when the majority of the class is younger than me I feel OK saying my kids... come come more ******ed responese to make you feel better of why YOU'RE not going to get into MEDICAL school...

I LOVE IT

 

[christian15213]

I've tutored many people in Orgo up from a D/C on first test to A/B overall grade. These were intelligent people with the desire to put the work in but needed to get another viewpoint. Also, I make up a lot of new questions for them on the spot that exemplify the trickier portions well, this is very helpful for students. Obviously, the students are not unintelligent if they manage the A/B overall, they just need another viewpoint or practice problems.

TPR I 100 percent agree with you... As always... and TPR you are nicer than me I know you are... But honestly, you have to admit that a lot of these STUDENTS... are kidding themselves... and sometimes as a TA it is upsetting... If I didn't care as a teacher I wouldn't have wrote this thread...

My main point to this thread is this... If you are screwing around partying it up than medschool is probably not for you. If you care and are struggling yes a tutor will help but it won't solve everything and sometimes people think that. If this offends some people I am sorry

 

[Kardizzle]

Kardizzle... please have you read what you posted??? orally manipulate phalli to be a tA... WTF are you talking about...

I wanted to use a euphemism because the common expression is a little vulgar and may get me in trouble. Here's a hint: it's a sexual metaphor for what people do to get ahead in life. If you don't understand the vocabulary I've used, try dictionary.com.

and you are questioning what I am writing about?

I haven't questioned anything you've written; it's pretty clear to me and everyone else that you're ******ed.

Go ahead and keep laughing and writing *****ic posts. It doesn't really matter to me because I'm the one actually in med school--you're the one who's not.