Too dapper for interviews

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I going on my first interview tomorrow. I know most people say dark suit on dark shoes, but is it ok to wear a grey suit with light blue shirt and red plaid tie, with brown belt and light brown cole haan oxfords.

Similar to this guy(don't worry, I'm not going to be striking any poises on interview day
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....with these shoes and matching belt.
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Not sure about the pocket square for the interview.
Pocket squares are fine for certain occasions, but for a residency interview may want to tone it down just a little and forego the pocket square.
 
Not sure about the pocket square for the interview.
Pocket squares are fine for certain occasions, but for a residency interview may want to tone it down just a little and forego the pocket square.
In regards to that big dorky looking one, I agree. A simple, white presidential folded pocket square looks sharp IMO.
 
In regards to that big dorky looking one, I agree. A simple, white presidential folded pocket square looks sharp IMO.

If you're going to wear a white pocket square, you might as well not wear one at all.
 
As one person pointed out, ballet flats are definitely a no no.

I'm wearing a nice pair of ballet flats. They're super comfortable, and on one tour a resident said "oh good, no one's wearing heels." If my shoe choice actually affects my candidacy, I don't want to be at your program.
 
" If my shoe choice actually affects my candidacy, I don't want to be at your program.

Well if I was a program director, I wouldn't want someone in my program that doesn't take pride in their appearance. How you present yourself says a lot about you, not to mention how patients, families, staff at the hospital, and your co-residents and attendings perceive you.

If you are applying to a top program, there are plenty of AOA's, Step 1 with > 240 scores, great recs, research and publishing 3 papers with you as an author of how to cure breast cancer or a cure for atherosclerosis, and oh.....on top of that you went to a Top 20 med school. There are others who would love to come there and plenty of applicants to choose from. Your poop still stinks and you still look like a total slub if you are dressed like you just got your clothes from the local thrift store. (Not degrading on poor people who have to go to thrift stores, but you are not one of those).

If you walk into a patients room and your hair looks like crap, you are wearing baggy, unflattering and wrinkled clothes, your shoes are scruffed up and dirty.........they do notice and no, you won't be wearing a sign that says"but I scored a 246 on step 1 sign" that will excuse your look.

Please spare the "oh my greatness and accomplishments are really what matters" and that will get me through the day. When people meet you for the first time (and the second and third and fourth time....), how you appear does matter.
 
Well if I was a program director, I wouldn't want someone in my program that doesn't take pride in their appearance. How you present yourself says a lot about you, not to mention how patients, families, staff at the hospital, and your co-residents and attendings perceive you.

If you are applying to a top program, there are plenty of AOA's, Step 1 with > 240 scores, great recs, research and publishing 3 papers with you as an author of how to cure breast cancer or a cure for atherosclerosis, and oh.....on top of that you went to a Top 20 med school. There are others who would love to come there and plenty of applicants to choose from. Your poop still stinks and you still look like a total slub if you are dressed like you just got your clothes from the local thrift store. (Not degrading on poor people who have to go to thrift stores, but you are not one of those).

If you walk into a patients room and your hair looks like crap, you are wearing baggy, unflattering and wrinkled clothes, your shoes are scruffed up and dirty.........they do notice and no, you won't be wearing a sign that says"but I scored a 246 on step 1 sign" that will excuse your look.

Please spare the "oh my greatness and accomplishments are really what matters" and that will get me through the day. When people meet you for the first time (and the second and third and fourth time....), how you appear does matter.

Not sure if serious or trolling.
 
No for dinner. Must for interview.

Re: ballet flats; yes a woman can find an appropriate pair of flats for the interview. Just be careful.

*Note: I think my shortest post ever.

I had to go back and read the user name twice, I couldn't believe it.
 
no...just no...they aren't even in the neighborhood of business casual...they are slippers...why not just come in yoga pants as well....

[several PDs nod their heads in eager agreement]
 
Note I said appropriate flats. Those would by definition EXCLUDE ballet flats. More than one type of ladies flats, not including Converse sneakers, ballet flats, or flip flops.
 
Yeah I heard that too. But I doubt it'd be a make or break factor? But I'm still going with some short heels. I would think people were used to hearing heels especially during interview season. I guess I've been wearing heels for so long I don't even notice (not at work though). Wait is this why nobody wants to be my friend? :bag: Also my pants have been tailored for heels.
If I trip I trip I guess. But all good points!

cootieshot,
i'm also going with short heels and banking on not tripping. i'll be your friend, you seem super cool!!
 
SO wants to know whether it's ok to wear a maxi dress like this to the pre-interview dinner? http://www.express.com/clothing/women/black-poet-sleeve-maxi-dress/pro/1268546/cat1910047

Hell if I know. Comments?

this dress looks like kate hudson is joining the addams family! i actually like it but it is probably too much of a statement for this type of event. this particular maxi dress is both funereal and overly ballroom-fancy, but other maxi dresses or black dresses are probably fine.
 
Well if I was a program director, I wouldn't want someone in my program that doesn't take pride in their appearance. How you present yourself says a lot about you, not to mention how patients, families, staff at the hospital, and your co-residents and attendings perceive you.

If you are applying to a top program, there are plenty of AOA's, Step 1 with > 240 scores, great recs, research and publishing 3 papers with you as an author of how to cure breast cancer or a cure for atherosclerosis, and oh.....on top of that you went to a Top 20 med school. There are others who would love to come there and plenty of applicants to choose from. Your poop still stinks and you still look like a total slub if you are dressed like you just got your clothes from the local thrift store. (Not degrading on poor people who have to go to thrift stores, but you are not one of those).

If you walk into a patients room and your hair looks like crap, you are wearing baggy, unflattering and wrinkled clothes, your shoes are scruffed up and dirty.........they do notice and no, you won't be wearing a sign that says"but I scored a 246 on step 1 sign" that will excuse your look.

Please spare the "oh my greatness and accomplishments are really what matters" and that will get me through the day. When people meet you for the first time (and the second and third and fourth time....), how you appear does matter.

To be fair, lala is talking about either wearing fancy black shoes that are slightly elevated off the ground, or not really elevated (like mens')... not showing up to the interview with ramen noodles tangled in her hair and an off-kilter buttoned plaid shirt and jeans with Birkenstocks and socks*.

If this minute distinction between height of otherwise fancy, appropriate women's shoes in conjunction with a suit is still enough to brand someone competent and well-groomed as 'not caring about their appearance,' then perhaps these are the things that a mature, enlightened adult may rightfully choose not to care about.

I prefer heels, myself, but heaven forbid I one day become the crazy PD who rejects a star candidate because she wore nice flats…

(*probably someone I'd enjoy hanging out with IRL, though…)
 
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this dress looks like kate hudson is joining the addams family! i actually like it but it is probably too much of a statement for this type of event. this particular maxi dress is both funereal and overly ballroom-fancy, but other maxi dresses or black dresses are probably fine.

I'mma say no on maxi dresses.

While the total veto on ballet flats stands, err on the side of shorter heels too.

It irks my tater how women don't dress conservatively enough for medicine anymore. You can be stylish while not showing off your figure (maxi dress is too much skin) or wearing tall heels which frankly are too sexy. If you couldn't wear them to clinic why the hell would you wear them to an interview?

At Mayo they round in suits. Meaning as an interviewee prancing about the hospital on tour, even being brought into patient rooms, are you dressed the way an elderly patient would expect a physician to be dressed for an interview? For clinic? For a work dinner? You're not just dressing up the part of a doctor for other doctors. You're playing the doctor you play for patients but for another doctor who is looking at you not just as they see you but as they imagine patients will see you.

Same goes for, what if prospective patients of this hospital are at the dinner before? Guess what, I've seen that MULTIPLE times at dinners. People who are not in medicine part of the dinner. Sometimes they're patient committee reps, sometimes it's the darn hospital executive in a suit.

I wore slacks and a button up blouse in a bright color. To be beautiful, I did my hair nice, wore a tad more make up than I would for clinic (still not much), whitened my teeth, a nice necklace and earrings, and a smile. I was ready to rub elbows with Dr. Mucky Muck Jr. of the old Mucky Mucks who served in WWII and didn't believe boobs (read: women) should have an MD and who wore a suit to the dinner in a fancy restaurant. I was just at ease rolling those sleeves up and eating buffalo chicken wings at the resident dive bar.

Quit trying to look too good and stylish and break the mold.

You should strive to have your appearance be as acceptable as possible to the most conservative element. Get an opinion from the oldest crustiest nastiest curmudgenly sexist doctor at your institution or hell even from a nursing home or some crotchedy patients.

You shouldn't be surprised how many PDs I saw fit that demographic perfectly. Or how many PCs did and were at the dinner.

A dress is asking for trouble anyway given weather and you have no idea really where you are headed, even if you think you do. Hell, they even changed restaurant location night of dinner, vastly different venues. I didn't see dresses often frankly, and I think a lot more girls appeared or maybe even felt overly dolled up. But if you can't feel your most confident in pants not a dress, I'm disappointed.
 
cootieshot,
i'm also going with short heels and banking on not tripping. i'll be your friend, you seem super cool!!

We probably go to the same med school and are already friends! Haha I thought about this the other day what if I'm just messaging my classmates this entire time. All I know for sure is you're not my roommate. Who is eating breakfast next to me while I type this.

Yep the heels I bought are short and more comfortable than a lot of flats! I can literally do jumping jacks in them, and I'm planning on showing that off on the talent portion of the competition.

I've been two dinners so far. Wore nice non-jean pants to one and a dress to another. Totally fine. Got compliments from the ladies, didn't get hit on by the guys. We should have just listened to @gutonc. I literally didn't see a single girl with cleavage or a tight dress. Heck I don't even wear anything that shows cleavage when I go out to be honest.

Am I just spoiled? All the older, male doctors at my school were nice, and I go to a solid school. You all should all just come here but not because I want to possibly stay here.
 
You should strive to have your appearance be as acceptable as possible to the most conservative element. Get an opinion from the oldest crustiest nastiest curmudgenly sexist doctor at your institution or hell even from a nursing home or some crotchedy patients.

...But if you can't feel your most confident in pants not a dress, I'm disappointed.

sorry, but the most conservative of dressing is not going to be pants...it is a suit with a skirt...

as a 3rd year, had exactly that old school PD in peds and guys had to wear a shirt and tie and girls had to wear a skirt or dress (with hose no less!), or you were sent home to change...

dark suit, skirt or pants, simple shirt, hose and nice manageable pumps with simple jewelry...this is not the time to be fashionable...medicine is not fashionable...you want to stand out, but not be "that" girl or guy...
 
We probably go to the same med school and are already friends! Haha I thought about this the other day what if I'm just messaging my classmates this entire time. All I know for sure is you're not my roommate. Who is eating breakfast next to me while I type this.

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All the older, male doctors at my school were nice, and I go to a solid school. You all should all just come here but not because I want to possibly stay here.

Haha, that would be awesome! You are not my roommate, either; they are all doing research years.

This does sound like my school… Maybe we are just messaging from different floors of the same building 🙂
 
sorry, but the most conservative of dressing is not going to be pants...it is a suit with a skirt...

as a 3rd year, had exactly that old school PD in peds and guys had to wear a shirt and tie and girls had to wear a skirt or dress (with hose no less!), or you were sent home to change...

dark suit, skirt or pants, simple shirt, hose and nice manageable pumps with simple jewelry...this is not the time to be fashionable...medicine is not fashionable...you want to stand out, but not be "that" girl or guy...

Ah, yes, well I'm still not sure for the dinner a maxi dress is a good idea.

Good to know about the skirt suit thing for interviews though. I'm not surprised. I mean, look at the old politician ladies. Almost always a skirt suit. Pantsuit for women is modern, very good point.

And yes, I didn't throw out there that I was taught that in medicine one is to wear hose AT ALL TIMES if not in pants. Hell, I wear nude knee highs with my pantsuit and shoes just so I am not showing any skin that way either, just for that extra bit of proper... the no socks or little "ballet" flat socks I see I think are a no-no.

When I say be confident in pants, I just mean as a female doc you will be pants in at work one way or the other... scrubs for one. At least in intern year if never again. And just because... I would hope women in this day and age can feel just as confident in a skirt suit as scrubs as a potato sack or pair of jeans. If not, sack up ladies.

If pants are casual as you say, then the way I would be "casual" to the interview dinner would be.... pants. Not a maxi dress.

Are there dresses conservative enough for an interview dinner? Yes. I just don't see women wearing them. Unlike the above poster, I did see an uncomfortable amount of cleavage, thin/bra straps, skin, skirts needing to be hiked down (if it's the proper length that wouldn't be needed), and worst of all, no hose.

Read what are the official guidelines for hospital attire. The number of inches above the knee (I don't know what it is, but when I did I got out a ruler), NOT sleeveless, wear hose. If it would feel too weird in a church or a sex offender's prison, it's not conservative enough.
 
Perhaps a silly question: at a southern pre-interview dinner in a resident's home, if one decides to wear a dress, are stockings mandatory? Advised? Discouraged? (No idea.) This seems overly stuffy for anywhere with a residents'-only non-formal get-together, but I don't know the culture well enough to discern. Thoughts?
 
Actually not a bad question.

If it were me, I would wear a dress where it would be both stylish and conservative to wear stockings so I wasn't going wrong either way.
 
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Perhaps a silly question: at a southern pre-interview dinner in a resident's home, if one decides to wear a dress, are stockings mandatory? Advised? Discouraged? (No idea.) This seems overly stuffy for anywhere with a residents'-only non-formal get-together, but I don't know the culture well enough to discern. Thoughts?
actually down south, hose aren't necessary ...we know how hot they are to wear...no one will expect them at a pre interview dinner...at the actual interview I would still wear them though...and do dress conservatively for a southern interview...for good or bad, 1st impressions are lasting...and are largely made on how you present yourself.
 
Just adding to the tally:

I wear a dark grey suit tailored to give a fitted look but not constricting (no pattern). I wear this with a dark brown shoe and matching belt. My tie is silver with black houndstooth pattern which I pair with a slim-fit light pink shirt. Needless to say I looked ****ing hawt (at least that's what my wife tells me).

I am well informed on "not standing out" and chose this set because I felt it remains subtle while stylish. It is so easy to throw on a suit with white shirt and blue tie but it will do nothing for you except meet the status quo. I wanted to demonstrate to the interviewers that I made a conscious effort to look my best and relay the message "this isn't my first time wearing a suit." Some will see this as a poor strategy, but I did receive many compliments and it helped me feel confident for my interviews.
 
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Looks a little weird in my mind's eye but most of the what you described sounds ok to me. I don't know what color shoe/belt goes with a grey suit, the grey suit & tie sound fine. The light pink, some guys had the skin tone & the shade was light enough it didn't seem too crazy and they pulled it off I think.

Specialty, location, program culture, I think would determine how a guy in pink is received. I went all over the place & it was amazing the differences. Some places that would not have flown well.

Oddly enough it seemed to me given how clueless men are stereotypically perceived to be about fashion & the quirkiness/eccentricity I see in medicine in general, that the guy with the light pink shirt or bowtie (a friend of mine wore the jacket with elbow patches I thought was a mistake but is a special story & turned out well) if he doesn't look like he walked out of a Boy Goerge music video seems to do OK even if he's looked at odd. (Whereas most of what I saw as the lady fashion faux pas of the day were less to the frumpy side & more toward the sexy side which I see as worse)

On the other hand, I fear all this peacocking does just that, makes you appear cocky.

Do I want this charming fellow at my program or is he something of a brash drama queen? Dunno.

I can say what you describe sounds like it was on the milder side of what I saw that stood out.
 
Looks a little weird in my mind's eye but most of the what you described sounds ok to me. I don't know what color shoe/belt goes with a grey suit, the grey suit & tie sound fine. The light pink, some guys had the skin tone & the shade was light enough it didn't seem too crazy and they pulled it off I think

I have a more tan/olive skin tone which probably allowed me to pull the light pink off more easily. I'll try to post a picture of the suit combo later--the text colors are a poor representation of the actual shades.
 
Sorry I meant business loafers! Are business loafers acceptable?
why? do you not own a pair of simple dress shoes?

guys are simple...dark suit (you don't even have to ask pants or skirt), shirt in white or subdued color, tie, and dress shoes with socks that are not white...why does everyone think that they need to show that they are fashion forward?
 
Just adding to the tally:

I wear a dark grey suit tailored to give a fitted look but not constricting (no pattern). I wear this with a dark brown shoe and matching belt. My tie is silver with black houndstooth pattern which I pair with a slim-fit light pink shirt. Needless to say I looked ****ing hawt (at least that's what my wife tells me).

I am well informed on "not standing out" and chose this set because I felt it remains subtle while stylish. It is so easy to throw on a suit with white shirt and blue tie but it will do nothing for you except meet the status quo. I wanted to demonstrate to the interviewers that I made a conscious effort to look my best and relay the message "this isn't my first time wearing a suit." Some will see this as a poor strategy, but I did receive many compliments and it helped me feel confident for my interviews.


A light pink shirt is a big fashion mistake. Light pink should be reserved for spring or summer only. Interviews are in late fall and in the winter, where light pink is a definite NO - NO. Please stick to either a white shirt or a light blue shirt. Remember this is an interview, not a mid summer wedding you are going to.
 
I think some people pulled it off because some interview locations ARE like spring or summer weather in interview season. Florida, California, and Arizona were all lovely Oct-Feb. That was were I saw the most flamboyant outfits. And slutty tops and shoes on girls.
 
I wore a pocket square, similar to tie color, to EVERY interview and got the same comments from the other applicants "damn, PS looks sharp, Im gonna pick one up for my next interview!" DO IT haha
 
Dude, are you for real?

Are you talking tan suede Dances with Wolves or is this a style like business loafers I don't know of? Can't say I know men's shoes.

If it's really questionable, then the answer is no.

Not the time to be fashion adventurous

I saw idiots wearing moccasins (full on, Native-American style) with suits during my IM interviews.

As usual, whoever asked this question is free to do whatever they would like - but wearing moccasins to an interview will make you look like a total *****. Even the 'casual dress' shoe style known as 'moccasins' looks like ass with a suit. Penny loafers are also a no-go...you're trying to dress semi-formal (suits), not business casual.

Get real and buy a proper pair of dress shoes. They even sell them at wally world for peanuts these days.
 
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A light pink shirt is a big fashion mistake. Light pink should be reserved for spring or summer only. Interviews are in late fall and in the winter, where light pink is a definite NO - NO. Please stick to either a white shirt or a light blue shirt. Remember this is an interview, not a mid summer wedding you are going to.

Agreed. The color combo between accessories, shirt, suit and tie sounds like it clashes too.
 
yes now that the conversation has swung to tie bars and closed jackets and away from moccasins or disco wear we have come back to the realm of normalacy thank god
 
FTFY.

Tie bars look good on your dad at the memorial for his old drinking buddy down at the Elks club.

Honestly, the only reason I even bought a tie bar is that you attendings force us to wear ties in the hospital, and I'm not interested in dipping my tie in a patient's blood a la Dilbert.

😉
 
FTFY.

Tie bars look good on your dad at the memorial for his old drinking buddy down at the Elks club.

Eh.

It definitely looks classy on many people and hasn't gone out of style in that GQ, etc still talk about it. Lots of residents in their 20s wear em in the hospital. There, as stated above, it helps keep your tie from being dipped in bodily fluids and draped across bacteria-laden surfaces etc.

On the interview trail, some people were wearing them and I thought it generally added well to the ensemble.
 
exactly and whether or not you like them no one is going to say they are inappropriate

if I were a dude I would absolutely wear one

I won't lie wearing a tie with my pantsuit occurred to me in my wildest "too dapper for interviews dreams" because I'm macho like that but even I recognized being pulling a Winona Ryder or Cydni Lauper was not going to fly and I like to break the mold, but until you're down with training the point is to fit it. When I hit attending I will at non-interview functions that call for a suit if I can get away with it.
 
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