Took the DAT- a few thoughts

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your aa must have been in the 99. something percentiles. goodjob makes my 22 look like crap!..hah
 
Thanks for your input! And great scores by the way. I'm taking the DAT in August so I'm in the pre-freak-out-for-the-DAT phase. I can't wait till this whole process is over. Good Luck!
 
ndgurl said:
Hey, I took the DAT on Tuesday, here are my scores:
PAT: 20
QR: 23
Gen chem:23
bio:24
Ochem:25
Reading: 26
Total Sci: 24
AA:24

Excellent. Congrats.
 
hey ndgurl, those are awesome DAT score and you have a great GPA also so I think you have a good chance anywhere but its just my opinion tho.. and thanks for the general advice. 🙂

you mentioned that the monitor was flickering? is that what it was? you did pretty well getting a 20 even with the screen bothering you and not very clear detailed pictures. hehe. can you give us more details about the PAT? how similar was it to Kaplan? how many figures did you have in the 15 questions of box counting?
 
Hm, I think "a good chance" is a huge understatement. Congratulations on probably getting accepted to every school you apply to with scholarships on the side! 🙂
 
U will get accepted unless u go to interview and say F,B,F again, B again, S..M...D words.... -_-;
 
Hey,
I believe I had five figures in the box counting, although it might have been six. The last one only had 11 blocks in it though and was fairly easy. There were two in the middle that were hard for me - I couldn't easily discern the placement of boxes- I couldn't tell very well if there were supposed to be boxes or open spaces. Yeah, the computer screen was flickering and the computer was really old school, but I'm not really in a huge city or anything so maybe other places it's not so bad. Besides flickering though sometimes the lines didn't really... match up too well, like it was hard to tell exactly where they met. That was a problem in the cubes and keyhole questions.
I thought the questions weren't too far off of Kaplan's although I think Barron's guide is closer to the real thing. I thought the top-front-end view problems were harder in the real exam than in Kaplans, keyholes seemed about the same, cube counting was harder, angles were harder, hole-punching involoved stranger folds. However, I thought everything but hole-punching was pretty close to Barron's. In practice I had been acing the hole-punching sections and I am sure I didn't do that in the actual test. I thought the paper-folding was about the same as in Kaplans, and actually easier than some of the practice in Barron's book. That's just my opinion though, and I am sure that some people might disagree. I think with the PAT you just have to find which parts of it you are best at and do all in your power to make sure you will kick some butt in those subsections. Looking at my score though, this might not be the best advice to follow. 🙂
 
ndgurl said:
Hey,
I believe I had five figures in the box counting, although it might have been six. The last one only had 11 blocks in it though and was fairly easy. There were two in the middle that were hard for me - I couldn't easily discern the placement of boxes- I couldn't tell very well if there were supposed to be boxes or open spaces. Yeah, the computer screen was flickering and the computer was really old school, but I'm not really in a huge city or anything so maybe other places it's not so bad. Besides flickering though sometimes the lines didn't really... match up too well, like it was hard to tell exactly where they met. That was a problem in the cubes and keyhole questions.
I thought the questions weren't too far off of Kaplan's although I think Barron's guide is closer to the real thing. I thought the top-front-end view problems were harder in the real exam than in Kaplans, keyholes seemed about the same, cube counting was harder, angles were harder, hole-punching involoved stranger folds. However, I thought everything but hole-punching was pretty close to Barron's. In practice I had been acing the hole-punching sections and I am sure I didn't do that in the actual test. I thought the paper-folding was about the same as in Kaplans, and actually easier than some of the practice in Barron's book. That's just my opinion though, and I am sure that some people might disagree. I think with the PAT you just have to find which parts of it you are best at and do all in your power to make sure you will kick some butt in those subsections. Looking at my score though, this might not be the best advice to follow. 🙂
thank you ndgurl, I appreciate your output and again, congratulations!
 
ndgurl said:
Hey,
I believe I had five figures in the box counting, although it might have been six. The last one only had 11 blocks in it though and was fairly easy. There were two in the middle that were hard for me - I couldn't easily discern the placement of boxes- I couldn't tell very well if there were supposed to be boxes or open spaces. Yeah, the computer screen was flickering and the computer was really old school, but I'm not really in a huge city or anything so maybe other places it's not so bad. Besides flickering though sometimes the lines didn't really... match up too well, like it was hard to tell exactly where they met. That was a problem in the cubes and keyhole questions.
I thought the questions weren't too far off of Kaplan's although I think Barron's guide is closer to the real thing. I thought the top-front-end view problems were harder in the real exam than in Kaplans, keyholes seemed about the same, cube counting was harder, angles were harder, hole-punching involoved stranger folds. However, I thought everything but hole-punching was pretty close to Barron's. In practice I had been acing the hole-punching sections and I am sure I didn't do that in the actual test. I thought the paper-folding was about the same as in Kaplans, and actually easier than some of the practice in Barron's book. That's just my opinion though, and I am sure that some people might disagree. I think with the PAT you just have to find which parts of it you are best at and do all in your power to make sure you will kick some butt in those subsections. Looking at my score though, this might not be the best advice to follow. 🙂


Congratulations. I'm sure you'll have no problem getting into harvard with your GPA and DAT. Can you tell us some of the biology questions. Thanks
 
Thanks for all the advice & GREAT SCORES!! You should get in anywhere you apply.

In the bio section, can you tell me which of the animals listed is the first to develop a backbone & internal skeleton - I'm having trouble with this one.

Thanks!!
 
Blackstars said:
Congratulations. I'm sure you'll have no problem getting into harvard with your GPA and DAT. Can you tell us some of the biology questions. Thanks




please dont tell this guy a thing.

hes bothering everyone.
 
ndgurl said:
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Hey,
The practice test questions kind of blur with the real ones now but I'll give it my best. One bio question asked which animal was the first to develope a backbone and internal skeleton, my answer choices were a fish, shark, reptile, amphibian, or echinoderm. Another question asked what is the body's immediate response to an arterial hemorrage, i don't remember all of the answer choices but I elminated it down to an increase or decrease in arterial pressure, my mother, an RN, told me the correct answer was decrease in arterial pressure. Another asked in what form is most CO2 transported in the blood, I don't remember all of the answer choices but one was dissolved in the blood, another was attached to hemoglobin, and a third was as bicarbonate ions. My one photosynthesis question asked which membrane contained all of the energy-producing regions in a plant, or something along those lines, the answer choices were the chloroplast outer membrane, chloroplast inner membrane, thylakoid membrane, and two other definitely incorrect choices (like the nuclear membrane and the golgi compex or something). I was asked what is the the first step in glycolysis. One question asked what do the Islets of Langerhans, follicular cells of the ovaries and some other structures do, the answer choices were pretty easy, which was fortunate because I didn't sure what the other structures did but knew that the Islets of Langerhans and follicular cells had to do with hormone secretion. I did have the question about the function of the fertilization membrane in sea urchins, I picked the answer that said it protects it from double fertilization-although that might not be correct. One question asked the development of what two organelles was essential to survival of eukaryotic cells, the answer choices all contained ribosomes and another organelle except for one choice that was chloroplasts and mitochondria. I knew that prokaryotes have ribosomes so that couldn't have been right so went with chloroplasts and mitochondria.
There was an easy question on mitosis, I think it just asked what stage do the chromosomes line up in the center. There was a question about difference betwwen mitosis and meiosis, oh, it was what is the importance of meiosis, the answer I chose was that it results in genetically different offspring. There was a question about blood types (A mom has AB blood type, dad has type O, what are the different types their offspring can be) and one using hardy-weinberg principle, they actually game me p and q outright, saying p=.7, q=.3, what is the percent of heterozygotes. There was another genetics question about pea plants, green and yellow, it said that a green plant (dominant) had been crossed with a yellow plant (indominant) some offspring were green and some yellow, what is the genotype of the green plant (clearly heterozygote, Gg).
Another question asked about the primary function of the large intestine.

As for chemistry, there was a question that gave the ksp and asked for the concentration of a product. There was a question that gave both the values of entropy and enthalpy of the products and reactants and asked for the enthalpy of the reaction. There was a question about gauranteeing a reaction is spontaneous, answer being -enthalpy and positive entropy. There was a question about if you have CO and some other type of gas in two seperate containers which of the following is true, and then the answers mentined their relative densitys, volumes, pressures, kinetic energy. I wasn't really sure about that one. There were a couple of questions asking about oxidation numbers, one was simply what is the oxidation number of an atom, the compound contained hydrogen and oxygen besides that atom. Another one was choose the reaction in which an atom is oxidized. Yet another asked what are the oxidizing and reducing agents in the above reaction. There were a couple acid base questions, one was what is the acid in the above reaction, one was what is the pH of a concentration of X molar HCL, (-log [H+] was the answer). There were a couple of stoichiometric questions, ie given so many grams of X how many grams of Y will be produced, one was a limiting reagent question, I think one might have been a titration question. There were two questions regarding VESPR. There was one question about vapor pressure- which of the following will not effect the vapor pressure type question. There was a question about periodic table trends, I don't remember if it was on electronegativity or size. actually, there were a couple of questions asking about size I think. There was a precent comoposition question too. There were a number of questions about intermolecular forces, ie which of the following compounds has the lowest boiling point, which is most likely to dissolve in water, which will act as an acid, etc.
Hmm, those are all I can think of at the moment, but if you any more questions I will cheerfully answer them! Hope that this helps some, good luck!

Thanks a lot. This is the most detailed response that I have ever seen on SDN.

What is the answer for the vertebrate question and the CO2? Is the answer for the second bicarbonate? Anyone who could help me...
 
wow, thx a lot for all the tips and hrat job on the DAT

i am not sure about the answers to 2 of the bio questions... can someone please correct me?

which animal was the first to develope a backbone and internal skeleton? fish, shark, reptile, amphibian, or echinoderm.

fish??


which membrane contained all of the energy-producing regions in a plant?
chloroplast outer membrane, chloroplast inner membrane, thylakoid membrane, and two other definitely incorrect choices

chloroplast inner membrane??
 
Comet208 said:
wow, thx a lot for all the tips and hrat job on the DAT

i am not sure about the answers to 2 of the bio questions... can someone please correct me?

which animal was the first to develope a backbone and internal skeleton? fish, shark, reptile, amphibian, or echinoderm.

fish??


which membrane contained all of the energy-producing regions in a plant?
chloroplast outer membrane, chloroplast inner membrane, thylakoid membrane, and two other definitely incorrect choices

chloroplast inner membrane??


Not sure on the first question, but wouldn't the second be the thylakoid membrane. I thought it kind of functions at the mitochondria.
 
Thanks for such a detailed response, ndgurl.

The CO2 question is bicarbonate...
 
LMav said:
Thanks a lot. This is the most detailed response that I have ever seen on SDN.

What is the answer for the vertebrate question and the CO2? Is the answer for the second bicarbonate? Anyone who could help me...

I am still not sure about the vertebrate question myself, but here's my reasoning. Echinoderms are out because they are not vertebrates, right? I thought fish would have likely been a common ancestor for all of the others, hence I put fish as the answer. I just now looked it up in my bio book which says "The earliest vertebrates to evolve were agnathans (meaning without jaw) : the hagfishes, followed by the lampreys.... However a problem hinders this classification because the hagfishes do not quite qualify as vertebrates.... " which doesn't help too much... I still vote for fish 🙂

With regards to CO2: roughly seven percent is transported dissolved in the plasma, 23 percent bound to amino acids in hemoglobin, and 70 percent forms bicarbonate.
 
Why are people giving away questions on this board? That is totally against ADA rules for the DAT. Also that is complete bull****. It is one thing to give your experiences with the test but to give actual questions and answer choices is ridiculous. This thread should be DELETED IMMEDIATELY.

Also, this message is for Blackstar - is there a reason why you think you should get special information about a test by asking EVERYONE if they remember biology or chemistry questions? Are you f-ing kidding me or anyone else on this board who has put in the time and studied hard for the exam? There is no reason why you should have an unfair edge over anyone else. Stop wasting your time asking people for questions from the test and use that time to STUDY for it.

That is all.
 
ndgurl said:
I am still not sure about the vertebrate question myself, but here's my reasoning. Echinoderms are out because they are not vertebrates, right? I thought fish would have likely been a common ancestor for all of the others, hence I put fish as the answer. I just now looked it up in my bio book which says "The earliest vertebrates to evolve were agnathans (meaning without jaw) : the hagfishes, followed by the lampreys.... However a problem hinders this classification because the hagfishes do not quite qualify as vertebrates.... " which doesn't help too much... I still vote for fish 🙂

With regards to CO2: roughly seven percent is transported dissolved in the plasma, 23 percent bound to amino acids in hemoglobin, and 70 percent forms bicarbonate.

The vertebrate question, I think the answer is fish. For Phylum chordates, only amphxious and tunicate worm are invertebrates. The others, fish, amphilibian, reptiles, birds and mammals are all vertebrate. Of these, the jawless fish is the first to evolve, followed by bony fish or cartilaginous fish. The order of evolution is fish, amphilibian, reptile, bird and mammals. The answer should be fish, I think.
 
DoubleDMD said:
Why are people giving away questions on this board? That is totally against ADA rules for the DAT. Also that is complete bull****. It is one thing to give your experiences with the test but to give actual questions and answer choices is ridiculous. This thread should be DELETED IMMEDIATELY.

Also, this message is for Blackstar - is there a reason why you think you should get special information about a test by asking EVERYONE if they remember biology or chemistry questions? Are you f-ing kidding me or anyone else on this board who has put in the time and studied hard for the exam? There is no reason why you should have an unfair edge over anyone else. Stop wasting your time asking people for questions from the test and use that time to STUDY for it.

That is all.


Thank god for that response.

That guy has PMed me at least 30 times asking specific questions and I wont answer him. Now he is sending me threatening messages.

That guy needs banned immediately.

However, I could care less if this thread is shut down. I think this person is lying about the exam b/c I just took it and it was not comparable to her comments.
 
DoubleDMD said:
Why are people giving away questions on this board? That is totally against ADA rules for the DAT. ... This thread should be DELETED IMMEDIATELY.


sounds like a personal problem. take a chill-pill.
 
DoubleDMD said:
Why are people giving away questions on this board? That is totally against ADA rules for the DAT.
Contrary to what you may believe, the ADA does not govern our lives outside of the testing environment. Anyone who takes the DAT is free to share whatever information they can recall from memory alone. This is one way test prep companies like TopScore create practice questions. They base their questions on test takers' experiences in previous tests. It's not fair, but it certainly isn't illegal.
 
I AM SARA said:
However, I could care less if this thread is shut down. I think this person is lying about the exam b/c I just took it and it was not comparable to her comments.

She's clearly not lying about the exam; she just typed about 4 paragraphs detailing each section of the test. To fabricate that amount of information would require more time than even you have, Ian.
 
HITMAN said:
She's clearly not lying about the exam; she just typed about 4 paragraphs detailing each section of the test. To fabricate that amount of information would require more time than even you have, Ian.


Thanks for the PM.

I think people should know that you are VERTICALBITE.

I hope you get banned again so we can post peacefully here.
 
HITMAN said:
Contrary to what you may believe, the ADA does not govern our lives outside of the testing environment. Anyone who takes the DAT is free to share whatever information they can recall from memory alone. This is one way test prep companies like TopScore create practice questions. They base their questions on test takers' experiences in previous tests. It's not fair, but it certainly isn't illegal.

Hitman,
When taking the DAT you agree to not reveal any information pertaining to the exam outside of the testing center. Apparently you have not taken the exam yet, or if you have, then you signed/agreed to things without reading it first.

DDs2BE,
I have no personal problem. I infact did very well on the test and am happy with my scores.

Blackstars and everyone else,
first here is a quote from a pm that he sent me after my last post:

Blow me :laugh:
__________________
SGUKK

Blackstars - you are a piece of ****. there is no reason why you should get an unfair advantage on the DAT. Furthermore, there is no reason why you need to pm members of this board with obscene comments after someone shares their opinion.

I recommend blackstars to be banned... so he can come back on another name and continously congratulate people after taking the dat and without even giving them a minute to breathe and press them for questions they remember....that is all.
 
DoubleDMD said:
Hitman,
When taking the DAT you agree to not reveal any information pertaining to the exam outside of the testing center. Apparently you have not taken the exam yet, or if you have, then you signed/agreed to things without reading it first.

DDs2BE,
I have no personal problem. I infact did very well on the test and am happy with my scores.

Blackstars and everyone else,
first here is a quote from a pm that he sent me after my last post:

Blow me :laugh:
__________________
SGUKK

Blackstars - you are a piece of ****. there is no reason why you should get an unfair advantage on the DAT. Furthermore, there is no reason why you need to pm members of this board with obscene comments after someone shares their opinion.

I recommend blackstars to be banned... so he can come back on another name and continously congratulate people after taking the dat and without even giving them a minute to breathe and press them for questions they remember....that is all.


I do too. he pmed me and said he was previously VERTICALBITE.

figures.
 
E. coli said:
The vertebrate question, I think the answer is fish. For Phylum chordates, only amphxious and tunicate worm are invertebrates. The others, fish, amphilibian, reptiles, birds and mammals are all vertebrate. Of these, the jawless fish is the first to evolve, followed by bony fish or cartilaginous fish. The order of evolution is fish, amphilibian, reptile, bird and mammals. The answer should be fish, I think.


WHY isnt it reptiles.

Fish are born with chartilage vertebra
 
I think you messed up on the eukaryotic cells question

chloroplast and mitochondria necessary for eukaryotes?

Animal cells are eukaryotic and they dont have chloroplasts.

Right?

cause were not green.
 
ndgurl said:
Hey, I took the DAT on Tuesday, here are my scores:
PAT: 20
QR: 23
Gen chem:23
bio:24
Ochem:25
Reading: 26
Total Sci: 24
AA:24

thanks for making us feel bad.

those are good scores tho. 👍 👍 🙂
 
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