"Top" peds residencies?

[littlelimabean]

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Does anyone know of a list ranking pediatric residencies? Or what the "top" peds residencies are?

 

[lushmd]

in the future, consider trying a search...

 

[neutropenic]

An incomplete list of places I think are creme de la creme.
BIG caveat: you can get excellent training at places that aren't name or "snob" places with good fellowship opps too.

CHoP
Boston Children's
Seattle Children's
Hopkins
UCSF
UCLA
Stanford
UMich
Mass General
Emory (Eggleston)
Cinci
Pitt
Baylor

 

[Saluki]

An incomplete list of places I think are creme de la creme.
BIG caveat: you can get excellent training at places that aren't name or "snob" places with good fellowship opps too.

CHoP
Boston Children's
Seattle Children's
Hopkins
UCSF
UCLA
Stanford
UMich
Mass General
Emory (Eggleston)
Cinci
Pitt
Baylor

I'm still a humble pre-med, but I've heard very good things about Rainbow Babies in Cleveland 😍

 

[lushmd]

I'm still a humble pre-med, but I've heard very good things about Rainbow Babies in Cleveland 😍

Really? FWIW, I have heard good things about the hospital but was told that the residency program is malignant.

 

[BigNavyPedsGuy]

I'm a M3 in Little Rock, and a lot of people overlook Arkansas Children's Hospital. It's a very nice hospital and program! I thinks it the 6th biggest Children's hospital in the U.S. They are the refferral center for the whole state + lots of neighboring states. Also, the faculty and residents are all very friendly and sharp. And the cost of living here is very cheap. Expensive houses run at $150/square foot. And it is very possible to get in as an out of state applicant.

I, on the other hand, am on a Navy scholarship, so I can't train at this great hospital.

 

[earmuffs]

That was a problem a few years ago. Then one class didn't fill in the match, they got their act together, and completely overhauled the residency program. Dr. Wright seems to have done an amazing job with turning that reputation for malignancy around. If anything, they've completely swung to the opposite side of the spectrum.

Really? FWIW, I have heard good things about the hospital but was told that the residency program is malignant.

 

[lushmd]

That was a problem a few years ago. Then one class didn't fill in the match, they got their act together, and completely overhauled the residency program. Dr. Wright seems to have done an amazing job with turning that reputation for malignancy around. If anything, they've completely swung to the opposite side of the spectrum.

I see....thanks for the info.

BIG caveat: you can get excellent training at places that aren't name or "snob" places with good fellowship opps too.

Not to threadjack, but if one is interested in academic medicine, will going to a lesser known, but still solid, residency program followed by a top fellowship really hurt future job opportunities?

 

[14022]

An incomplete list of places I think are creme de la creme.
BIG caveat: you can get excellent training at places that aren't name or "snob" places with good fellowship opps too.

CHoP
Boston Children's
Seattle Children's
Hopkins
UCSF
UCLA
Stanford
UMich
Mass General
Emory (Eggleston)
Cinci
Pitt
Baylor

I would agree that all of the above are very good programs, but there are several that are definately not "creme de la creme", such as Mass General, Pitt, U Mich, UCLA, and UCSF. I would add Denver Children's, St Louis Children's, and Rainbow to the above list as well. Other very good programs, but not "creme de la creme" I would include are Indiana, Columbus Childen's, U of Chicago, Northwestern, Milwaukee, Children's hospital of LA, Children's Hospital of Oakland, Children's National in DC, and Columbia/Cornell.

Not to threadjack, but if one is interested in academic medicine, will going to a lesser known, but still solid, residency program followed by a top fellowship really hurt future job opportunities?

It depends what you mean by "academic medicine." If by this you mean you want to work in an academic hospital, do research, and teach, then it shouldn't be a problem. If you mean you want to do ground breaking research or be a division or department chairperson at a major academic hospital, then going to a lesser known program may not be the best idea. If you do get into one of the best fellowship programs, then your residency site may not matter as much, but especially for the more competitive fields, such as heme-onc, cards, and ER, getting a top fellowship is easier if you come from a top residency program.

 

[DrRobert]

Creme de la creme:

CHOP
Boston Children's
Texas Children's
Rainbow Babies
Denver Children's
St. Louis Children's
Cincinnati
Seattle Children's

 

[edmadison]

It's a very interesting question: what are the top pediatric residency programs. I think the responses people have provided are what programs are regarded as the best, or what are the best children's hospitals. Obviously, a referral children's hospital is going to get high volume of sick kids and lots of exposure to both common and uncommon causes of acute illness. But how is the teaching? Many of these programs only pay lip service to education and residents are left to teach themselves pediatrics. The real question is: what's the top program for me (or you)?

Ed

 

[neutropenic]

Revised creme de la creme (my own opinion) based on chats:

CHOP
Boston Children's
Texas Children's
Rainbow Babies
Denver Children's
St. Louis Children's
Cincinnati
Seattle Children's
Hopkins

creme brulee:
UCSF/UCLA/Stanford
Pitt
Emory
Mott
Wash/National

 

[14022]

It's a very interesting question: what are the top pediatric residency programs. I think the responses people have provided are what programs are regarded as the best, or what are the best children's hospitals. Obviously, a referral children's hospital is going to get high volume of sick kids and lots of exposure to both common and uncommon causes of acute illness. But how is the teaching? Many of these programs only pay lip service to education and residents are left to teach themselves pediatrics. The real question is: what's the top program for me (or you)?

Ed

I completely agree with this statement. However, it is a cruel reality in medicine that the programs that are considered the best based on reputation of the children's hospital (take Boston Children's for example) will do more for your future success than lesser known programs that provide a much better education.

 

[notstudying]

I completely agree with this statement. However, it is a cruel reality in medicine that the programs that are considered the best based on reputation of the children's hospital (take Boston Children's for example) will do more for your future success than lesser known programs that provide a much better education.

I would agree with both Ed and Scholes to some extent- if you are at CHOP or BCRP you are in a "club", and membership has its privileges 🙂. However, I'm at a program that never makes the top 10 list (Rochester), and is the poster-child for under-recognized but good programs. It may not have the immediate recognition that CHOP does, but I can't tell you how many times I have been introduced to some of the top pediatricians in the country (through Rochester contacts), to have them say "Rochester is a great program... do you know <fill in name of faculty here>". It's remarkable how many of these people (chairs, agency directors, chiefs, ex-surgeon generals...) have been through Rochester at some point, either as a trainee or faculty. While about 50% of our grads go on to primary care (leaving Rochester with probably the highest pediatrician to child ratio in the country!) the other 50% go on to academics, and get fellowships at some of the top places in the country (in fact over the past 5 years or so the highest proportion of fellows went to Rochester; the next highest was Boston Children's). I'm sure there's some self-selection bias as well- I don't think we attract as many of the intense, career focused residents that go to BCRP and CHOP and then translate that into rising up in academe to chair positions and the like. But there's a camraderie here that's tough to beat-I think the residents are truly happy, and enjoy spending time with each other. And the quality of the teaching is great. And the program supports our interests and gives us flexibility-whether our interests are in outpatient peds, advocacy, or research.

I can't speak for other small programs, but I imagine that are a quite a few in a similar position.

 

[thos]

During my residency search this year I used a number of resources, including a couple of surveys that are often quoted by the programs themselves. The first is US News and World Report, which releases several different lists. First is a list of the best children's hospitals, determined by a survey of pediatrician's and based on hospitals to which they'd refer regardless of cost (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/rankings/specreppedi.htm). Second is the USNWR ranking of Peds programs at med schools, based on opinions from faculty at similar programs (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/med/brief/medsp07_brief.php). Finally, I used a survey of children's hospitals put out by Child magazine (http://child.com/child/story.jhtml?storyid=/templatedata/child/story/data/1130522345565.xml). The Child list is quite different from USNWR; the former is based on an extensive survey the hospital fills out, while the latter is opinion based. The Child list includes some of the programs mentioned in other posts that aren't traditional powerhouses (e.g. Milwaukee, Vanderbilt, MUSC) and may be helpful for that reason. Of course no one survey can tell you where to go, and the most valuable info I received came from faculty and my own interview experiences. Good luck.

 

[LaughingGiraffe]

I agreee with many of the lists above. I have heard from a few sources that UCSF, Seattle, and Denver are very good programs, but are made more competitive by their locations, rather than their standing as truly excellent programs. Of course, the location is part of the appeal for me with those programs, so they're all still on my list. I've also heard that Boston Children's is very, very fellowship focused, and that the administration there isn't great.

St. Louis Children's Hospital will probably be my top choice.

 

[thos]

I agreee with many of the lists above. I have heard from a few sources that UCSF, Seattle, and Denver are very good programs, but are made more competitive by their locations, rather than their standing as truly excellent programs. Of course, the location is part of the appeal for me with those programs, so they're all still on my list. I've also heard that Boston Children's is very, very fellowship focused, and that the administration there isn't great.

St. Louis Children's Hospital will probably be my top choice.

Did you visit Seattle Children's? With your username I think you'd like the big fiberglass giraffe in their lobby (and on the cover of their brochure). All sculpture aside, I thought that was a fantastic program, and it was very nearly my #1. Final decision was based more on lifestyle and options for s.o. at a program I found to be very similar.

 

[zedpol]

Anyone have any input on mayo's peds program?

Thanks
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