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I've always heard of California's medical school competitiveness. Do applicants from California ever just change their state of residence before applying to have a better shot in another state that is less competitive?

No you can't change it easily, some states are crazy strict about what constitutes being an instate applicant. If it was easy, I think there would be a huge rush of new Texas applicants.

Don't let those experiences scare you, there is more truth in if you are a good applicant you'll get in somewhere. I was just trying to say being in CA could play a factor - how big or small it truly is won't really be known. I personally think the problem with their applicants was they were too cookie cutter, like John Lannister said. I remember I didn't want to delve too much into their issue especially when I already had an acceptance at that time and they seem to be doing fine now.

 

[alisepeep]

So just curious, was anyone able to transfer from DO to MD this year? A friend of mine who goes to the Carribean told me people from his class were able to transfer to MD schools in the US last year. Fact or fiction?

 

[The Beyonder]

I've always heard of California's medical school competitiveness. Do applicants from California ever just change their state of residence before applying to have a better shot in another state that is less competitive?

Good thead on CA schools competitiveness.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=14015505#post14015505

 

[Salinas]

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[se20001984]

i love how professional the allopathic forums are and how pro-DO they are, by that i mean they lack the relentless ******ed DO bashing thats found on the DO forums.

👍 to you guys

 

[pattr]

I think the most difficult part about being an applicant from California is that your "state" schools are relatively competitive to get into. In most other states, marginal candidates have their states schools as a backup. A 30 MCAT, 3.5GPA is much more likely to get at least 1 acceptance in Ohio versus California if they both apply to the same number of schools.

Think about it... this is why California DO schools have higher stats than most other DO schools. Same goes for the California MD schools.

California has a huge applicant pool from competitive undergrad institutions (Stanford, Caltech, UC's, CSU's). Population = Competition = Better average stats.

 

[Didierdrogba]

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no one is bashing anybody on the DO forum. Some osteopathic techniques are plain useless, that's what being talked about there... also, watch your word choice, pre-med. 👎

i love how professional the allopathic forums are and how pro-DO they are, by that i mean they lack the relentless ******ed DO bashing thats found on the DO forums.

👍 to you guys

 

[swallday6400]

Rofl when I read the title of the thread and the first paragraph

 

[notbobtrustme]

So just curious, was anyone able to transfer from DO to MD this year? A friend of mine who goes to the Carribean told me people from his class were able to transfer to MD schools in the US last year. Fact or fiction?

only a small handful of those kids can actually get off the island and are either superstars or have some other circumstance that lets them transfer. It's rare enough that you can consider it an impossibility.

 

[rodmichael82]

I've always heard of California's medical school competitiveness. Do applicants from California ever just change their state of residence before applying to have a better shot in another state that is less competitive?

My school required tax return W-2 forms to verify state residency so it's not that easy.

 

[docnotsopc]

i love how professional the allopathic forums are and how pro-DO they are, by that i mean they lack the relentless ******ed DO bashing thats found on the DO forums.

👍 to you guys

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no one is bashing anybody on the DO forum. Some osteopathic techniques are plain useless, that's what being talked about there... also, watch your word choice, pre-med. 👎

Pre-DOs literally have NOOO idea what they are talking about and are overly compensating for the realities of going the DO route.

Pre-DOs literally think
1) OMM can cure everything. It is amazing and real. Without actually knowing a single technique nor the "mechanism of action"
2) DOs can go into anything they want if they work hard. DOs can go into MANY ACGME specialties, but not all and its certainly not easy
4) The DO bias is pretty much gone. False. Still alive and strong, but not as bad as in the past.
3) they are 100% correct given their vast experience from reading SDN aka reading the opinion of other pre-DOs who literally have no idea what they are talking about and so the vicious cycle begins

 

[BRISKMD]

Did anyone else apply for a transfer position to Drexel this year ?

 

[Mass Effect]

2) DOs can go into anything they want if they work hard. DOs can go into MANY ACGME specialties, but not all and its certainly not easy

While I get your overall point, I think your word choice is inaccurate here. As far as I know, DOs have matched into every ACGME specialty. Yes, it's much harder and much more rare in the competitive specialties, but they actually can go into any specialty. It's been done, even in plastics.

 

[docnotsopc]

While I get your overall point, I think your word choice is inaccurate here. As far as I know, DOs have matched into every ACGME specialty. Yes, it's much harder and much more rare in the competitive specialties, but they actually can go into any specialty. It's been done, even in plastics.

Ya im pretty sure DOs have and ya, my wording was misleading. What I was really getting at is that premeds need to realize that if they pursue the DO route, the odds are very very against them from getting into those competitive ACGME residencies. Every single premed comes into medical school thinking they are going to be in the top 5% of their class, but that just isnt the case. Statistically half of you have to be in the bottom of the class. The majority of their class will be people who work just as hard and are just as intelligent. The top students in my DO class are students who were accepted to multiple MD schools, had a very high MCAT, etc and only ended up at my school because of location. Knowing them, I do believe they are actually smarter than the vast majority of people in my class. These are also the students trying to get into competitive ACGME residencies and who probably will (I think one wants to go Peds though, which is cool). The majority of my class could not get into MD school, for any reason of a variety (which is fine). This is the student body that most pre-meds who go into DO school will fall into. (again theres no shame in this, you still get to be some kind of doctor). Annnnd my thought process is stopped because I realized I still need to go over my UWorld questions.... so im done rambling

 

[shamwowzer]

4) The DO bias is pretty much gone. False. Still alive and strong, but not as bad as in the past.

the usage of guarding terms makes it apparent that you, as well as pre-DO students, actually have no idea if there is a bias or not

 

[brazenredhead]

I've always heard of California's medical school competitiveness. Do applicants from California ever just change their state of residence before applying to have a better shot in another state that is less competitive?

I did! But it was tough. You can't just show up and do it. I was a re-app--I had to wait a cycle and pick a state that I had strong ties to, anyway. I physically had to move, get a job, vote, etc. And then apply after living there a full year.

Looking at my stats, I knew I would never get in in CA, and decided the extra year's delay was worth it. I did a bunch of other stuff to improve my application as well. But when it all comes down to it, I know changing my residency had a lot to do with my acceptance.

I'm honestly surprised more people don't try it. In the grand scheme of things, what's one more gap year? I mean, yeah, it sucked to pack up and leave a place I loved, the extra year means I'll be 28 at matriculation, and I miss CA so freaking much. But isn't delayed gratification part of the package deal in medicine?

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

You won't be able to transfer. To transfer you need a good reason i.e son or daughter lives in city where the medical school is located. D.O transfer to MD without a family reason is pretty much impossible.

 

[willen101383]

OP, I know you have gotten a lot of replies already but I felt compelled to reply as I was in your EXACT same shoes 2 years ago. I HATED OMM, recognized that 99% of it was complete BS, and wanted out. I perused these forums for months trying to figure out how I was going to get away from OMM and the DO mentality I hated so much. I was absolutely miserable. I decided to just deal, given the info I read here. I would just learn the OMM material, and then forget it after the exam. M1 and M2 absolutely blew, I will admit that. Having to deal with the rather malignant OMM dept at my school making things extraordinary difficult for me (and others) was torture. But as a new 4th year I am so glad I went the route that I did. I focused on doing well on USMLE 1/2 and achieved that goal. I never saw OMM used or mentioned at ALL during 3rd year (aside as the butt of jokes), and have more or less forgotten all of it. I have to take my step 2 PE in a few months, but after that I plan to shelve any OMM knowledge I was taught, and move on with my life. It gets better OP, just stick with it and it will soon be a distant memory.

 

[Dr Dazzle]

I feel that majority of DO students can match to places where majority of MD students do provided that they have the board scores to back it up. Of course for super competitive field like derm, ortho etc, the best bet is AOA residency. Although there are fewer AOA than ACGME residencies, I feel statistically, your chances of matching are same as MD students.

 

[sinombre]

I feel that majority of DO students can match to places where majority of MD students do provided that they have the board scores to back it up. Of course for super competitive field like derm, ortho etc, the best bet is AOA residency. Although there are fewer AOA than ACGME residencies, I feel statistically, your chances of matching are same as MD students.

...so someone who hasn't even started medical school yet "feels" that the chances of matching are the same? You should probably back up claims like this with relevant data/stats. How you feel about it has no bearing on whether or not it is or isn't true.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

I feel that majority of DO students can match to places where majority of MD students do provided that they have the board scores to back it up. Of course for super competitive field like derm, ortho etc, the best bet is AOA residency. Although there are fewer AOA than ACGME residencies, I feel statistically, your chances of matching are same as MD students.

Thanks for your feel bro.

 

[Dr Dazzle]

...so someone who hasn't even started medical school yet "feels" that the chances of matching are the same? You should probably back up claims like this with relevant data/stats. How you feel about it has no bearing on whether or not it is or isn't true.

My feeling is based on observing where DO students I know have matched. But please feel free to provide data which supports the point you are trying to express.

 

[sinombre]

My feeling is based on observing where DO students I know have matched. But please feel free to provide data which supports the point you are trying to express.

I didn't make a claim that needs to be supported by evidence, I critiqued your post. And you're openly admitting that your opinion is based off of anecdotal evidence.

 

[Dr Dazzle]

Thanks for your feel bro.

Welcome bro!

 

[Kaustikos]

OP, you honestly need to suck it up. MD schools aren't without bull****. If you've read my blog (which I'm not endorsing, honestly, just saying) you'll see the bull**** that MD schools have. It may not deal with OMM, but it still has it's fair share. You're in med school. That's an accomplishment you should feel proud of. The idea that the grass is greener is never true. I sometimes sit and wonder why I'm not in Pharmacy school or getting a PhD in pharmacology. But I'm reminded of the stupidity of the argument when I realize that I'm in medical school. You have every opportunity to do what Allopathic students do by applying to those residencies.

In the end - get by. You'll get through first/second year and realize that all these minutia of issues you have are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.