treating addicted professionals via physician health programs

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I'm starting an addictions fellowship soon with plans to be in Pennsylvania post-fellowship. I'm interested in starting a part-time cash private practice post-fellowship. I'm thinking I can develop a particular niche in treating addicted professionals, at least in part through referrals from the state PHP. I've read the horror stories about PHPs that essentially gouge vulnerable people - I have no interest in being part of an exploitative system, though I imagine it isn't so black and white. Anyone with experiences with working with PHPs or healthcare workers w/ substance use disorders? What sort of reporting requirements exist? How do you balance your treatment relationship/rapport/trust with the requirements a PHP imposes? Thanks!

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What sort of reporting requirements exist? How do you balance your treatment relationship/rapport/trust with the requirements a PHP imposes? Thanks!

I'd also be interested in the liability aspect of this as well. How much does seeing professionals in potentially high risk jobs like pilots or physicians increase the risk to OP? Would this affect malpractice rates or would this be the same as anyone working in an addictions PHP?
 
I have a few pts who are in our state's PAS. The form asks if they're adherent to treatment, what the treatment is, and whether I've noticed any signs that they are unfit for the job (showing up intoxicated, cognitive deficits, etc.) I guess I might have to mark negatively on the form if someone showed up clearly intoxicated or nonsensical but otherwise it seems pretty straightforward. I don't see, in this state, why someone would need to pay cash to see a subspecialist to get this done.
 
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I don't see, in this state, why someone would need to pay cash to see a subspecialist to get this done.

Yeah, if that's all that's required, that does seem excessive. The cat is already out of the bag about their substance use, it is not like they are trying to conceal the treatment.
 
I'm interested in starting a part-time cash private practice post-fellowship. I'm thinking I can develop a particular niche in treating addicted professionals, at least in part through referrals from the state PHP.

I do PHP all the time. The problem with PHP isn't that it's particularly onerous. It's that it's not that many cases. You can't fill a practice with this type of patient referal.

Yeah, if that's all that's required, that does seem excessive. The cat is already out of the bag about their substance use, it is not like they are trying to conceal the treatment.
This is not the point. A physician would likely prefer a very private, upscale office setting where he or she can receive high-quality comprehensive treatment than a community Suboxone clinic.
 
Ugh, why oh why would you want to associate yourself with the corrupt, money-grubbing, and exploitative PHPs of the world with a cash-only practice?
Are we talking about the same thing? I’m referring to an outpatient practice that would include health professionals with SUDs, not a cash partial hospital program. I agree in that the latter seem ****ty and they charge cash because 1) they can and 2) they don’t use evidence based practices for treating SUDs so insurance wouldn’t reimburse them anyway
I do PHP all the time. The problem with PHP isn't that it's particularly onerous. It's that it's not that many cases. You can't fill a practice with this type of patient referal.


This is not the point. A physician would likely prefer a very private, upscale office setting where he or she can receive high-quality comprehensive treatment than a community Suboxone clinic.
Thanks this is good to know. My concern was whether being a treating outpatient doctor for impaired physicians would put me in a quasi forensic role/parole officer role, which I’m not interested in.
 
While gratifying to work with, are you worried about some of this really backfiring with having a lot of very very demanding patients?
 
Are we talking about the same thing? I’m referring to an outpatient practice that would include health professionals with SUDs, not a cash partial hospital program. I agree in that the latter seem ****ty and they charge cash because 1) they can and 2) they don’t use evidence based practices for treating SUDs so insurance wouldn’t reimburse them anyway

I don't understand. Your original post said this:

"I'm interested in starting a part-time cash private practice post-fellowship. I'm thinking I can develop a particular niche in treating addicted professionals, at least in part through referrals from the state PHP."

The PHP will be referring people they're requiring to get treatment and you're charging cash so you're essentially saying you want to be part of the PHP system. They send you patients, you charge the patients cash, and the patients are obligated to pay it/seek treatment because PHP holds all the cards.

Am I misreading you?
 
While gratifying to work with, are you worried about some of this really backfiring with having a lot of very very demanding patients?

Do you know much about PHP patients? They're not in any position to demand anything.

For people who aren't familiar with how PHPs in many states operate (and I'll admit this isn't all states), you really should read up on it. PHPs are a disgrace to the field of psychiatry.


ETA: There are about 10 dozen more cases just like that if you google it and most people have identified themselves rather than anonymous submissions.
 
Do you know much about PHP patients? They're not in any position to demand anything.

For people who aren't familiar with how PHPs in many states operate (and I'll admit this isn't all states), you really should read up on it. PHPs are a disgrace to the field of psychiatry.



OP said part of the patient load would be coming from PHP. My thought was the majority of folks would be those seeking treatment prior to being open about their addiction.
 
OP said part of the patient load would be coming from PHP. My thought was the majority of folks would be those seeking treatment prior to being open about their addiction.

Do some research. Anyone the PHP is aware of having a substance issue is in a PHP-mandated treatment program. The PHP (in many states) isn't just sitting there to field calls and triage.
 
Do some research. Anyone the PHP is aware of having a substance issue is in a PHP-mandated treatment program. The PHP (in many states) isn't just sitting there to field calls and triage.

Per the OP (bolded emphasis mine):

"I'm starting an addictions fellowship soon with plans to be in Pennsylvania post-fellowship. I'm interested in starting a part-time cash private practice post-fellowship. I'm thinking I can develop a particular niche in treating addicted professionals, at least in part through referrals from the state PHP."

The verbiage there implies that the PHP is not aware of all the patients OP wishes to see. I'm more than happy to read more, but my question focused on the non-php part of this which the OP seems to want to do as well...
 
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Per the OP (bolded emphasis mine):

"I'm starting an addictions fellowship soon with plans to be in Pennsylvania post-fellowship. I'm interested in starting a part-time cash private practice post-fellowship. I'm thinking I can develop a particular niche in treating addicted professionals, at least in part through referrals from the state PHP."

The verbiage there implies that the PHP is not aware of all the patients OP wishes to see. I'm more than happy to read more, but my question focused on the non-php part of this which the OP seems to want to do as well...

That's fine. I wasn't commenting on the non-PHP part. The PHP part is the big thing for me. Can't imagine why anyone would associate themselves with these programs.
 
That's fine. I wasn't commenting on the non-PHP part. The PHP part is the big thing for me. Can't imagine why anyone would associate themselves with these programs.

Haha, yeah, that's what I was focused on. Addiction (and psych in general) isn't really a one sized fits all setup no matter how lucrative that might be or how easy it might be to sell to politicians.
 
Thanks this is good to know. My concern was whether being a treating outpatient doctor for impaired physicians would put me in a quasi forensic role/parole officer role, which I’m not interested in.
No. Monitoring is paperwork-driven. If you don't feel comfortable recommending a return to work and the patient disagrees, you can refuse to sign the report. Patients can lie to you, but that happens in general in addiction psychiatry so you know how to deal with it.

In the majority of cases, physician patients like PHP, as it's vastly easier to deal with PHP than the medical board. And this route is also what's recommended by their malpractice carrier.


While gratifying to work with, are you worried about some of this really backfiring with having a lot of very very demanding patients?
Physicians are not that "demanding" in my experience. LOL Doctors are super easy to work with vis-a-vis your typical public psychiatry clinic patient.
 
I may be missing something, but the horror stories I have heard about PHPs involved things like requiring extended residential stays for a (+) THC with no real evidence of workplace impairment. Participating in that seems very ethically questionable. If, though, you are an outpatient psychiatrist offering appropriate treatment (including offering the opinion that the person does not have a substance use disorder if that appears to be the case) that does not seem to me to be unethical in any way.

Am I missing something?
 
I may be missing something, but the horror stories I have heard about PHPs involved things like requiring extended residential stays for a (+) THC with no real evidence of workplace impairment. Participating in that seems very ethically questionable. If, though, you are an outpatient psychiatrist offering appropriate treatment (including offering the opinion that the person does not have a substance use disorder if that appears to be the case) that does not seem to me to be unethical in any way.

Am I missing something?

It isn't just inpatient. There are also stories of forced outpatient treatment with no evidence of workplace impairment (usually after the inpatient stay). That's who they refer to. So if the OP wants referrals from PHP, especially in a cash only practice, this is likely going to be part of it. OP will charge cash only for treatments PHP mandates the patient get.

I personally wouldn't associate myself with PHPs under those circumstances. If the OP wants to be an independent evaluator of physicians, that's a whole other thing altogether. But I wouldn't count on PHP referrals for that as the shady ones tend to mandate treatment for certain amount of time regardless of evidence. If OP wants to cater to professionals, I would do that independently and market to healthcare professionals.
 
Interesting. I wonder what the outpatient psychiatrist does in cases like that? Basically if the person reports having occasionally used a substance but does not report a history consistent with a substance use disorder, and no available collateral evidence suggests a substance use disorder.

But in general I think that is a fair point, if treatment is compulsory but no treatable disorder is present I would not want to be a part of that either.
 
Interesting. I wonder what the outpatient psychiatrist does in cases like that? Basically if the person reports having occasionally used a substance but does not report a history consistent with a substance use disorder, and no available collateral evidence suggests a substance use disorder.

But in general I think that is a fair point, if treatment is compulsory but no treatable disorder is present I would not want to be a part of that either.

That's the thing. I have a patient now who was mixed up in the PHP system for years. He was not allowed to continue with his already established outpatient psychiatrist (not me) once he got mixed up with PHP. Instead, PHP mandated who he could see and it was only AFTER his monitoring contract was up that he was free to choose his own providers.

Not all PHPs are (or have shown themselves to be) corrupt, but the ones that are only refer to their own "connected" treatment docs and programs and force the patient to by seen by those cash-only people.
 
It isn't just inpatient. There are also stories of forced outpatient treatment with no evidence of workplace impairment (usually after the inpatient stay). That's who they refer to. So if the OP wants referrals from PHP, especially in a cash only practice, this is likely going to be part of it. OP will charge cash only for treatments PHP mandates the patient get.

I personally wouldn't associate myself with PHPs under those circumstances. If the OP wants to be an independent evaluator of physicians, that's a whole other thing altogether. But I wouldn't count on PHP referrals for that as the shady ones tend to mandate treatment for certain amount of time regardless of evidence. If OP wants to cater to professionals, I would do that independently and market to healthcare professionals.
Like you, under those circumstances I would not want to be associated with a PHP. I started the thread to query people's experiences around whether PHPs are universally exploitative in the manner you describe. The theory of a PHP sounds nice - a chance to intervene and help HCWs start the recovery process before something bad happens and the medical board becomes involved. Obviously, it doesn't play out like that a lot of the time. Sounds like PHP practices vary a lot state by state (IMO part of the problem) and one needs to dig into local details to figure out if it is an ethical system. It's probably a moot point, anyway, if the volume of referrals is low as @sluox suggested.

I wonder what the driving force for this corruption is, beyond general ignorance and lack of standardized practices. PHPs are government run entities, right? Are they getting kickbacks from these inpatient centers etc?
 
Like you, under those circumstances I would not want to be associated with a PHP. I started the thread to query people's experiences around whether PHPs are universally exploitative in the manner you describe. The theory of a PHP sounds nice - a chance to intervene and help HCWs start the recovery process before something bad happens and the medical board becomes involved. Obviously, it doesn't play out like that a lot of the time. Sounds like PHP practices vary a lot state by state (IMO part of the problem) and one needs to dig into local details to figure out if it is an ethical system. It's probably a moot point, anyway, if the volume of referrals is low as @sluox suggested.

I wonder what the driving force for this corruption is, beyond general ignorance and lack of standardized practices. PHPs are government run entities, right? Are they getting kickbacks from these inpatient centers etc?

They are NOT government run entities and that's part of the problem. There's no standardization as you say and no oversight. That's a big problem. Some states don't even have a PHP. There has been suggestion of kickbacks, but I don't believe anyone has been able to prove it. There was a blogger around who ran a website called The Disrupted Physician after he spent years caught up in his PHP. I don't know if it's still up or if he took it down because he was suing. There were also countless other lawsuits against PHPs for similar reasons and they've developed a pretty malignant reputation nationally.

Here's a news report from Missouri. It was multi parts but I think they addressed the sketchy PHP referrals.


From that article:
"But here's the catch: once you seek help from the PHP, you are no longer in control. The PHP decides where you get treatment, no matter the cost or distance. The Missouri PHP contracts with "preferred centers" around the country. The I-Team found many of those centers are also significant donors to the PHP industry group."
 
Which is why PHPs get away with corrupt behavior.

This is a fair point. I haven't had this experience, but I think if you had bad referrals things can go south.

It is true you'd need to excise plenty clinical judgement with PHP patients. Nevertheless, it may be that I am seeing very sick patients these days, I have become very smooth with high complexity cases, so I am somewhat immune to moderate-low level complexity, which is what I consider most PHP cases to be. You can cook up in your head or find in the newspaper adverse circumstances but I think they are uncommon. They also don't like to refer to junior clinicians--I remember when I signed up right after graduating they told me that they didn't want anyone just out of training. Things trickle in on that side very very slowly (once a year or so). I also think physicians use EAP a lot--which if anything is worse. The fact that you pay your psychiatrist cash outside your EAP system is IMO a good hedge in these vague COI/dual fiduciary scenarios. In general cash psychiatrists are superior and more willing in fighting "systems" on your behalf. That's actually one of the main values in a cash practice.
 
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It might depend on the state. States like Colorado and Washington have pretty good PHPs. States like Massachusetts and North Carolina (if the criticisms are to be believed) not so much. There are different models of PHPs and some are very dubious indeed. Per the APA's report on PHP's: "Although one of the FSPHP’s recommendations states that PHPs should not be designed as profit-making enterprises, it bears noting that some PHPs are currently designed as for-profit businesses, and in some jurisdictions the PHP or BML may have awarded a contract to profit-making entity for the provision of services." This same document notes the APA first outlined its guidelines for PHPs because of: "The issues surrounding these allegations include financial conflicts of interest, inadequate treatment options for non-addictive illnesses, fraudulent or erroneous interpretation of test results, failure to maintain proper chain of custody for testing samples, improperly low cutoff levels for a positive result on toxicology screens(such that occupational exposure expected among healthcare professionals (e.g., alcohol in hand sanitizers) is reported to the BML as presumed substance misuse), requiring participants to report the names or identities of other healthcare professionals they encounter in confidential treatment and recovery groups, and unreasonably expensive evaluations and treatment."

But I think it does create ethical tensions that are difficult to resolve. Though much of the work we do is ethically fraught. Personally, I would not want to build a practice based on referrals for a PHP who by definition intrude on the doctor-patient relationship. There are plenty of physicians and other professionals who will seek out high quality, discreet treatment without an external body like a PHP being involved. I know physicians who see doctors through the PHP and then see their "real" clinicians off the books unknown to the PHP.

One thing to bear in mind about the criticisms against PHPs is asking narcissistic addicted physicians who have some how come into contact with the PHPs because of their conduct is going to give you a skewed sample. I have seen people convince the PHPs they had no substance use disorder, do well with the structure of the PHP and then catastrophically fall apart once released from PHP supervision. Some physicians will acknowledge they owe their lives to the PHP. But being referred to someone from the PHP sets up a potentially negative dynamic from the outset that could pollute the therapeutic relationship.
 
Physicians are not that "demanding" in my experience. LOL Doctors are super easy to work with vis-a-vis your typical public psychiatry clinic patient.

off-topic but has also been my experience so far. One in particular I charged a hefty no-show fee for an appointment he missed and his response was to apologize to me and pay immediately.
 
I did my addictions rotation with a pcp/addictions specialist. He offers to help physicians and people in other positions to stop using Xanax, alcohol, opiates, etc and follows it up by saying "and I won't report you." I believe him, but on the licensing reapplication in Michigan, there is a question specifically asking if you have been treated for addictions.
 
Like you, under those circumstances I would not want to be associated with a PHP. I started the thread to query people's experiences around whether PHPs are universally exploitative in the manner you describe. The theory of a PHP sounds nice - a chance to intervene and help HCWs start the recovery process before something bad happens and the medical board becomes involved. Obviously, it doesn't play out like that a lot of the time. Sounds like PHP practices vary a lot state by state (IMO part of the problem) and one needs to dig into local details to figure out if it is an ethical system. It's probably a moot point, anyway, if the volume of referrals is low as @sluox suggested.

I wonder what the driving force for this corruption is, beyond general ignorance and lack of standardized practices. PHPs are government run entities, right? Are they getting kickbacks from these inpatient centers etc?

I can tell you that from personal experience they are not a good idea. There is significant variation from state to state. In my case I had to deal with FL. It had been an absolute nightmare. All for checking myself into detox while attending my training program. I was repeatedly told I was doing the right thing while simultaneously being slapped with the punishment of a 5-year monitoring contract which thus far has cost me in excess of 150k.
 
They are NOT government run entities and that's part of the problem. There's no standardization as you say and no oversight. That's a big problem. Some states don't even have a PHP. There has been suggestion of kickbacks, but I don't believe anyone has been able to prove it. There was a blogger around who ran a website called The Disrupted Physician after he spent years caught up in his PHP. I don't know if it's still up or if he took it down because he was suing. There were also countless other lawsuits against PHPs for similar reasons and they've developed a pretty malignant reputation nationally.

Here's a news report from Missouri. It was multi parts but I think they addressed the sketchy PHP referrals.


From that article:
"But here's the catch: once you seek help from the PHP, you are no longer in control. The PHP decides where you get treatment, no matter the cost or distance. The Missouri PHP contracts with "preferred centers" around the country. The I-Team found many of those centers are also significant donors to the PHP industry group."
No, they are NOT government run, and certainly not overseen (by anyone, although their client numbers and reported outcomes are tracked by their exclusively contracted medical board partners. PHPs portray themselves as benevolent nonprofit educational entities, and "safe havens" or harbors for physicians in lieu of reporting to medical boards, but in fact they invariably use the threat of reporting to medical boards and the likelihood of resultant discipline based on such reports to coerce HCPs and trainees into contingent contracts for inpatient treatment, supervision and longterm abstinence monitoring, often reportedly without any evidence or criterion based diagnosis that would justify such intrusive interventions.

Just FYI, the DisruptedPhysician blog is still up, but the author is pursuing another career as his chosen one was completely disrupted by a corrupt system in that state (MA). His story is a chapter in a recent book Your Consent Is Not Required: The Rise in Psychiatric Detentions, Forced Treatment and Abusive Guardianships by Rob Wipond.

The funding of PHPs varies from state to state, and is in many cases rather closely guarded (you can see the 990, but you can't always interpret it). Some state medical boards have PHPs as a line item in their budget, and charge ALL licensees a surcharge to fund this item. Some state medical associations, medical schools, and malpractice liability carriers also fund PHPs in many states.

The 13 or so US "preferred evaluation and treatment centers" clearly exhibit and host events at FSPHP and FSMB meetings, and make unrestricted grants to PHPs as well. Since these centers claim to be so specialized at evaluating/treating physician clients, they obviously must do SOMETHING to continuously attract cash paying deep pocket physician income, which they do by garnering favor with PHPs however they can. The most frightening means could be by rigging diagnoses proposed by the PHP after its initial triage.
 

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They are NOT government run entities and that's part of the problem. There's no standardization as you say and no oversight. That's a big problem. Some states don't even have a PHP. There has been suggestion of kickbacks, but I don't believe anyone has been able to prove it. There was a blogger around who ran a website called The Disrupted Physician after he spent years caught up in his PHP. I don't know if it's still up or if he took it down because he was suing. There were also countless other lawsuits against PHPs for similar reasons and they've developed a pretty malignant reputation nationally.

Here's a news report from Missouri. It was multi parts but I think they addressed the sketchy PHP referrals.


From that article:
"But here's the catch: once you seek help from the PHP, you are no longer in control. The PHP decides where you get treatment, no matter the cost or distance. The Missouri PHP contracts with "preferred centers" around the country. The I-Team found many of those centers are also significant donors to the PHP industry group."
"The Disrupted Physician" is a newly published book by Dr. Anne L Phelan. The blog by Dr. Mike Langan is still around also, DisruptedPhysician.blog, though he is doing other things with his life since his profession was stolen from him. He lost many times to the PHP and Medical Board, due to falsifications and outright laboratory fraud, sympathetic judges and lawyers who work for the state, all detailed in the book.
 
Interesting comment from the KevinMD blog page posted:

There is a lot to unpack in this anonymous author's posting. The first thing I have to say is that I extend my sympathies and I hope that the author gets in touch with the Center for Physician Rights run by Kernan Manion MD. His resources can be found online quite easily with a simple search.

I don't want to be hard on the author but there are some imprecise statements in the posting that provide opportunities to inform people who may find themselves in this situation. Another writer has mentioned the J Wesley Boyd MD article in Psychology Today that is directly relevant to the author's circumstances and is well worth reviewing.

The number of state PHP's is about correct. My count is 47 PHP's in 46 states (MO has one for MD's and one for DO's.) California does not have a state PHP. In fact, most PHP's are NOT state agencies at all. About half of them are state contracting private organizations. About a quarter are components of state government. And the remainder are typically operated by medical societies. Essentially all PHP's are members of the Federation of State Physician Health Programs (FSPHP) which is a private trade organization linked to the American Society for Addiction Medicine (ASAM).

It is a generally-incorrect statement to say that PHP's advocate for physicians. Many, perhaps most, PHP's give educational presentations in which this claim is made but that claim of advocacy on behalf of a physician is basically untrue. PHP's frequently issue quarterly or annual reports that describe the proportion of their clients that come from various sources. Actually by applying the term "voluntary" to much of their clientele, the reality of coerced agreements is not really disclosed in these public reports. The data obtained when these contractors go through periodic state contract procurement actually gives much more accurate information about the sources of referrals. In one state, the data obtained during the contract procurement process show that for FY 17/18 262 cases were referred to a PHP and of these, 57 were referred by the medical board, 83 were self-referred, and 122 were third-party referrals. In FY 18/19, 241 cases were referred and of these 58 were referred by the medical board, 75 were self-referred, and 108 were referred by third parties. Ancillary information indicates that almost all third party referrals were made by employers and hospitals.

Semi-formal or formal physician health programs arose in the 1980's and were, for the most part, medical society activities that offered assistance to physicians with alcohol and substance use disorders. The Reagan Era Executive Order on Federal Drug-Free Workplaces roughly marked the start of the rapid acceleration in formality, funding, and missions of these organizations. Shortly thereafter, medical boards used them as diversion from discipline programs and many formalized these programs in state legislation or state agency administrative rules. When ASAM took an interest and created FSPHP, the programs took on official policies of "abstinence-only", 12 step treatments, and remarkably long residential stays requiring enormous cash payments. Since its inception, the FSPHP has expanded its mission to concern itself with other aspects of "physician health" that it claims must be addressed in the interest of public safety. Financially and personally ruinous PHP policies with an uncertain and unregulated relationship to the powers of state agencies have now become the norm from coast-to-coast.

Most persons who comment on PHP's advise that they are in no sense any sort of advocate or safe haven and any involvement with them ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES that a physician avail himself of a lawyer who is retained independently (without PHP "help") and who has skill and experience sets in litigation, employment law, and disability law. The particular details of the operation of a PHP can be found in the state contract with the PHP and in the last public bid solicitation for PHP services. These are straightforward to get in states with sound public transparency laws. In the absence of such laws, the 2019 FSPHP Guidelines operate as a useful starting point to understanding the policies and procedures of a given PHP. Importantly, PHP brochures or annual reports or even consent/agreement/disclosure forms drafted by the PHP are often misleading and the only reliable information is found in the state contract and the procurement RFP. PHP's are not usually public entities and owe you no due process. They are rarely susceptible to public transparency or "Sunshine" laws.

State PHP's are monopolies in almost every state where they exist. The FSPHP actually had a published requirement that full FSPHP members could only be those who worked as a monopoly in the states where they operate. The origins and bases of these monopolies are just beginning to receive legal scrutiny.

PHP's have no monopoly on expertise in the diagnosis or treatment of physicians with a host of physical and psychiatric disorders or diagnoses. For that reason, I am skeptical of the proportion of physicians who are "self-referred" to these programs. I believe that much of this self-referred group was coerced and/or deceived. Basically, there is NO diagnosis or treatment service available for physicians that is not better available outside of a PHP. And the advantage of obtaining services privately is a much better chance of not sustaining personal and financial devastation while receiving diagnosis and treatment.

The bulk of physician referrals to PHP's comes from employers and medical boards. In 2019, a plurality of US physicians are explicitly-employed and receive a W-2 form. Employers who "send a physician to the PHP" have to do this in compliance with ADA Title I and, in states with superseding legislation, in compliance with those frequently more-powerful state laws. A medical board that refers a patient must do so in compliance with ADA Title II and the Rehabilitation Act. Private organizations that serve as PHP's must comply with ADA Title III as public accommodations. Other federal statutes are also applicable including GINA, 42 CFR Part 2, HIPAA and a few others. Mostly they are ignored.
 
I don't doubt for a minute that there are PHP's and state medical boards that are coercive entities with conflicts of interest and profit motives.

I have to say, though, that the two cases I know about from patients of mine actually reflect relatively reasonable requirements for assessment and treatment and very high quality of assessment and treatment. To the point that both of those patients now feel that the interventions they received, while expensive (not as expensive as the more egregious cases mentioned above), have been very helpful to them, personally and professionally.
 
I don't doubt for a minute that there are PHP's and state medical boards that are coercive entities with conflicts of interest and profit motives.

I have to say, though, that the two cases I know about from patients of mine actually reflect relatively reasonable requirements for assessment and treatment and very high quality of assessment and treatment. To the point that both of those patients now feel that the interventions they received, while expensive (not as expensive as the more egregious cases mentioned above), have been very helpful to them, personally and professionally.

Depends partially on your state and partially on level of impairment. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

The tide will eventually turn. The problematic PHP's will be revealed to be the abusive programs they are. I hope that along with that recognition, the doctors who so corruptly and selfishly sold out, both within the problematic PHP's and at these "treatment centers" will have their licenses revoked for the harm they've caused.
 
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