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if you guys got low verbal scores (somewhere in 500), is it possible to improve and how did you guys improve to get a great verbal score on mcats?
verbal on mcat and verbal on sat are totally different.
did you score perfectly or something?How the hell do you score a 500 on the SAT Verbal?????? Are you a native speaker??? I see a 7 or 8 on the MCAT VR section in your future.
No, I didn't do perfectly, but I am sure scored higher than that (it's been too long ago (1998) for me to even remember what I got). I'm sure you could randomly guess and pull above a 500. Wasn't the joke that you receive 300 pts for spelling your own name correctly?did you score perfectly or something?
How the hell do you score a 500 on the SAT Verbal?????? Are you a native speaker??? I see a 7 or 8 on the MCAT VR section in your future.
I'm not sure if the SAT verbal and MCAT verbal can correlate well since they require different skills.Is there any correlation between SAT verbal and MCAT verbal? I did well on verbal, but messed up math (650). Funny thing is that I tend to do much better in my math classes than my english classes.
200 = writing your own name. I believe the average is supposed to be around 1000, so 500 seems like it would be an average verbal score (based on the old max 1600). Nothing official to back any of this up, just what I seem to remember. I'm sure you can google it.
You're ignoring the difference between populations taking the exam.
The "average" SAT score is the average of every high school senior taking the exam. This will include a few smart kids, and a whole bunch of way less smart kids, including those who will never make it into undergrad.
The "average" MCAT score is the average of college graduates (or soon-to-be graduates) seeking a career in medicine, which is definetely a more intelligent, better test-taking population than those taking the SAT.
In other words:
average MCAT score = pretty darn good
average SAT score = wow, have you looked into managerial training at Burger King?
No, actually it's just my way of pitying the OP. Poor bastard. *shakes head*Wow! I hope this made you feel like a big man.
The average college-bound senior had a 503 in Verbal in 2006. Jeez. Maybe they won't all go to med school, but I just bet some people have gone on to have successful careers (maybe even in medicine!). People can improve and change during college, and a score a high schooler achieved does not determine how successful they will be in life.You're ignoring the difference between populations taking the exam.
The "average" SAT score is the average of every high school senior taking the exam. This will include a few smart kids, and a whole bunch of way less smart kids, including those who will never make it into undergrad.
The "average" MCAT score is the average of college graduates (or soon-to-be graduates) seeking a career in medicine, which is definetely a more intelligent, better test-taking population than those taking the SAT.
In other words:
average MCAT score = pretty darn good
average SAT score = wow, have you looked into managerial training at Burger King?
The average college-bound senior had a 503 in Verbal in 2006
The average college-bound senior had a 503 in Verbal in 2006. Jeez. Maybe they won't all go to med school, but I just bet some people have gone on to have successful careers (maybe even in medicine!). People can improve and change during college, and a score a high schooler achieved does not determine how successful they will be in life.
true... I bet very few people below 1200s or 25s on the SAT/ACT even attempt the MCAT...
I'm really sure we have a significant sample size reading this thread. 🙄Great, another, "You can do it, just try really hard!" post.
So let's test your theory then.
Anyone out there with a 500s Verbal SAT score and a 10 or higher on the MCAT Verbal?
Anyone out there with a 500s Verbal SAT now in med school or with a med school acceptance?
Oh, and just to up the anxiety level a little more, during one of my Ortho interviews, I was asked what my SAT scores were, and the interviewer wrote it down in my file.
so the concensus is that if your sat scores are below 1200 you shouldnt attempt the mcats... i am just a tad bit confused because most colleges (lets just use my state school umass for example) have average sat scores below 1200 and over 50% of those kids in my general bio/chem/physics class are premed and arent in the honors program so their sat scores are around average about 1100. can someone shed some light here.
so the concensus is that if your sat scores are below 1200 you shouldnt attempt the mcats...
i am just a tad bit confused because most colleges (lets just use my state school umass for example) have average sat scores below 1200
Yes.
and over 50% of those kids in my general bio/chem/physics class are premed and arent in the honors program so their sat scores are around average about 1100.
Here's where you fall apart.
1) Your Honors program has an SAT cutoff, whereby everyone with an SAT over 1100-1200 is in it, and everyone under that is not? I'm guessing no, but let's say that's true.
2) You're just plain guessing at their average SAT score. I'm willing to bet it's a little higher than you're assuming.
3) All those premeds won't get in. Many will change their mind and not even apply. Others will get bounced out of premed when their orgo grade comes back a C-. And a few will leave school when their drug problem takes over their lives. Therefore the average SAT score of the premeds in your classes is not the average SAT of those taking the MCAT, and is even further from the average SAT score of those who are accepted to med school.
true... I bet very few people below 1200s or 25s on the SAT/ACT even attempt the MCAT...
true... I bet very few people below 1200s or 25s on the SAT/ACT even attempt the MCAT...
No, I didn't do perfectly, but I am sure scored higher than that (it's been too long ago (1998) for me to even remember what I got). I'm sure you could randomly guess and pull above a 500. Wasn't the joke that you receive 300 pts for spelling your own name correctly?
whoever said 500 is a crappy has obviously had a bad day. 500 is average. Anyways, the MCAT=/=SAT so don't worry, as long as you practice and work on reading skills. These tests don't necessarily test you smart you are (or how good of a doctor you are), they test how good you are at taking the test.
The best way to improve is to practice, so read more passages and answer more questions.yes thats true but think about it...if a person has an SAT above 1300 and didnt get into honors program at a state school where the average sat score is around 1100 would be ridiculous...so what you are saying is that only honors students should apply to med school? also does not taking a prep course for sat affect your scores? any correlations there?
what materials would improve reading? would you suggest scientific american because that is what i am subcribing to as of now
whoever said 500 is a crappy has obviously had a bad day. 500 is average. Anyways, the MCAT=/=SAT so don't worry, as long as you practice and work on reading skills. These tests don't necessarily test you smart you are (or how good of a doctor you are), they test how good you are at taking the test.
Do a lot of people study for the SAT? I always imagined it was a test that one just takes cold, perhaps I'm wrong about it. I suppose it never really mattered for me. I applied to one college and got into one college. Never had an ambition to go to any schools where I needed to do exceptionally well on the SAT. I'm pretty curious about all this. Some people in this thread appear to have some bad opinions i.e. high and mighty about the type of people who do well and who don't.
I wouldn't say the verbal MCAT is any harder than the verbal SAT, the only difference is the curve. The verbal MCAT has a ridiculously steep curve, so steep in fact that in past years a perfect score could only be a 13 out of 15. The AAMC's finally changed that policy, but still, 1 question wrong on the MCAT verbal gets you a 14 max, 2 questions a 13 most likely. Meanwhile, you can get 1 or 2 questions wrong on the SAT (out of a similar number of questions I believe...) and still get an 800. On the MCAT you're not really competing against the test-makers, but the test-takers. And that makes a relatively easy section like verbal relatively very difficult to get a high score, and a relatively difficult section like the physical sciences relatively easy to get one. All I can say is that for verbal it's a lot harder to get a 15 on the MCAT than an 800 on the SAT.
so the concensus is that if your sat scores are below 1200 you shouldnt attempt the mcats... i am just a tad bit confused because most colleges (lets just use my state school umass for example) have average sat scores below 1200 and over 50% of those kids in my general bio/chem/physics class are premed and arent in the honors program so their sat scores are around average about 1100. can someone shed some light here.
yes thats true but think about it...if a person has an SAT above 1300 and didnt get into honors program at a state school where the average sat score is around 1100 would be ridiculous...so what you are saying is that only honors students should apply to med school? also does not taking a prep course for sat affect your scores? any correlations there?
what materials would improve reading? would you suggest scientific american because that is what i am subcribing to as of now
On the old SAT I got a 1410 which is pretty good but on the MCAT a 30. The tests are really different obviously. Firstly, the MCAT does test science, knowing your bio and organic chem and physics seriously affects how quickly you can answer questions etc.
Secondly the curve, vitually everyone takes the SAT and many are stupid/unprepared so it is easier to do better percentage wise. The MCAT takers are self selecting in a sense (already been in college, choosing pe-med etc. so the curve is a steeper one because there is less chaff that just bomb the test). Also on the verbal section of the SAT you can still miss questions and get a perfect score. I got a 790 verbal and I know I missed about 4 questions. I've taken the LSAT as well and the ACT for the Duke search back in 6th grade and I definitely think the MCAT is the hardest (or at least most knowledge intensive) of all the standardized tests.
Great, another, "You can do it, just try really hard!" post.
So let's test your theory then.
Anyone out there with a 500s Verbal SAT score and a 10 or higher on the MCAT Verbal?
Yes
Anyone out there with a 500s Verbal SAT now in med school or with a med school acceptance?
Yes
There are plenty of not so good test takers. I definitely made in the 500's for verbal and I made 10 (verbal)on MCAT. As a matter of fact I didn't even study for verbal because I wanted to improve more science sections. There are plenty of people like me, I know because they are in or have graduated med school!
I know people like to correlate SAT's to your future in life, but give me a break. There are CLEARLY no absolutes.
So, yes, try harder, become better test taker and maybe you can blow a 30+ MCAT.
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