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I have, much to my elation, matched at TAMC. Now the logistics are becoming reality.

Does anyone have recent experience with commute times to/from TAMC? I was there recently and spoke with folks who lived on AMR, some in Kaneohe, and a couple in Mililani. I heard a couple of people complain in passing about living at Wheeler/Schofield, and Ewa Beach but am trying to firm up an idea about where it is/is not feasible to commute to/from during residency.

Does anyone have a realistic idea about places to live during residency, esp Red Hill, Hickam, Wheeler, Schofield, Shafter? Any thoughts on the economy are appreciated as well.

Similarly, how long do/have people waited on lists for military housing (We need 4BRs)? I know this can be as variable as the match ratios from year to year, but thought I'd ask ;Household-6 and is kinda attached to living on base, but remains pseudo-flexible.

Thanks.

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I have, much to my elation, matched at TAMC. Now the logistics are becoming reality.

Does anyone have recent experience with commute times to/from TAMC? I was there recently and spoke with folks who lived on AMR, some in Kaneohe, and a couple in Mililani. I heard a couple of people complain in passing about living at Wheeler/Schofield, and Ewa Beach but am trying to firm up an idea about where it is/is not feasible to commute to/from during residency.

Does anyone have a realistic idea about places to live during residency, esp Red Hill, Hickam, Wheeler, Schofield, Shafter? Any thoughts on the economy are appreciated as well.

Similarly, how long do/have people waited on lists for military housing (We need 4BRs)? I know this can be as variable as the match ratios from year to year, but thought I'd ask ;Household-6 and is kinda attached to living on base, but remains pseudo-flexible.

Thanks.

Many moons ago, TAMC's policy was for all married interns (unless dual military) to have on base housing. The command will secure housing for you prior to your arrival, so you should be able to move in within a couple of weeks after arrival. Most were in AMR and some were on Shafter. There are some houses on TAMC proper, but I don't remember any of the interns going there. They have combined some of the housing, but I doubt you would be allowed to go to Hickam or Pearl. Certainly not K-Bay. AMR and Shafter are only 10-15 min commutes, but it depends on how backed up the front gate is. When I was in HI, TAMC was an open base and there was no guard.
 
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Many moons ago, TAMC's policy was for all married interns (unless dual military) to have on base housing. The command will secure housing for you prior to your arrival, so you should be able to move in within a couple of weeks after arrival. Most were in AMR and some were on Shafter. There are some houses on TAMC proper, but I don't remember any of the interns going there. They have combined some of the housing, but I doubt you would be allowed to go to Hickam or Pearl. Certainly not K-Bay. AMR and Shafter are only 10-15 min commutes, but it depends on how backed up the front gate is. When I was in HI, TAMC was an open base and there was no guard.
From the TAMC website:
"[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Housing..
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] .[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It is your choice to either live in on-post quarters or off-post in civilian housing. On-post housing is only available to soldiers with dependents. Typical military housing is either an apartment or duplex house. The number of bedrooms is dictated by the number of dependents you have. Soldiers assigned to Tripler usually live in one of three housing areas: Tripler, Fort Shafter, or Aliamanu Military Reservation (AMR). Fort Shafter and AMR are both within several miles of the hospital. If you choose to live in on-post quarters, then your BAS is forfeited. You pay nothing for basic utilities (electricity, water). These units are unfurnished...
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] .[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is a wide range of off-post housing available in the civilian community. Our internal medicine residents live in clusters, either on the windward side of the island (Kailua or Kaneohe) or around Honolulu or its immediate suburbs. Some residents are able to purchase their own homes, but there are generally good rental properties (apartments to single family homes) available which are affordable with the generous housing allowance on Oahu."..


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I am also curious about any input anyone has on off-post housing.
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Army housing on O'ahu is split into north and south regions. Being assigned to Tripler, you'll be in the south region, which means AMR, Ft. Shafter, and TAMC quarters could be offered to you. Unless you have children, AMR is probably not an option.

A few years ago, Army housing in Hawai'i was a joke, and that is still largely the case (I lived in Army quarters for the first two decades of my life, so I have some perspective here). This fact is even further driven home because the Army housing exists in such stark contrast to the relatively nice Navy, Air Force, and Marine housing across the island. They're in the process of tearing down and rebuilding much of the existing Army quarters. However, the process has gone painfully slowly and it is principally focused on Schofield Barracks (north housing region). The only new quarters in the south region are currently on Ft. Shafter, and they are sufficiently scarce that you can't realistically expect to be offered those.

The overwhelming majority of TAMC physicians live in off-post housing, but there is no favorite spot. I'll try to give a brief description of the most popular choices.

1) West O'ahu - this is a broad area with several choices. The chief advantage of this area is that the real estate is relatively cheap. You can probably afford a single-family home in this area. The climate is appreciably warmer and drier, so air conditioning (preferably central) is a must, in my mind. The major downside is the traffic, which is not to be underestimated.

A) Waipahu/Kunia - slightly closer to TAMC and H1, but also slightly more expensive. Highly commercialized.
B) Ewa Beach - cheaper and more residential, but there's the added hassle of dealing with traffice on Ft. Weaver Road (can double your commute time from 1 hour to two).
C) Kapolei/Makakilo - a little farther away and a little cheaper. Ko'olina is here, which is a resort with many townhomes.

2) Mililani - a very nice town with the added convenience of Schofield Barracks being nearby (commissary, cheap gas, etc.). A higher elevation = a cooler climate. Greater access to the North Shore, but it's probably the farthest away from the beach you can live on the island. Traffic is also an issue, nearly as much of one as living in West O'ahu.

3) Aiea/Pearl City/Salt Lake - much closer to TAMC with an expected increase in cost and congestion. I know very few people that live in this area, and for good reason - the benefit in commute does not seem to outweigh the added congestion. You might as well live in Downtown or Waikiki where there are actually things to do.

4) Downtown/Waikiki - mostly preferred by single physicians who want to be close to the restaurants and nightlife that this area offers. This is obligatory condo/apartment living.

5) Hawaii Kai - on the whole, probably the nicest town on the island. Condo/apartment prices are high, but not out of your price range necessarily. The major downside is that you have to go all the way through the full length of Honolulu for the commute. I've known four people to live here, two of which moved because of the commute.

6) Windward O'ahu - less commercialized side of the island. Feels very far from Honolulu thanks to the intervening mountains, despite only being about 10 miles away, which can be both a good and bad thing. Commute to TAMC is very doable thanks to H3. The MCBH offers most of the benefits of a nearby military base without having to go over the Ko'olau mountains. More expensive, but not prohibitively so.

A) Kailua - relatively expensive. Doubt you could afford a single-family home there without supplemental income (spouse, family, etc.). No hotels (by city ordnance) but still relatively crowded by day. Kailua and Lanikai beaches are among the best in the world.
B) Kaneohe - slightly larger (more restaurants; has a mall, movie theater, etc.), more crowded, and cheaper than Kailua, but not as quaint. You might be able to afford a home there.

7) Waipio/Waimanalo/Waianae - I do not recommend living in these towns.

I hope that helps.
 
Army housing on O'ahu is split into north and south regions. Being assigned to Tripler, you'll be in the south region, which means AMR, Ft. Shafter, and TAMC quarters could be offered to you. Unless you have children, AMR is probably not an option.

A few years ago, Army housing in Hawai'i was a joke, and that is still largely the case (I lived in Army quarters for the first two decades of my life, so I have some perspective here). This fact is even further driven home because the Army housing exists in such stark contrast to the relatively nice Navy, Air Force, and Marine housing across the island. They're in the process of tearing down and rebuilding much of the existing Army quarters. However, the process has gone painfully slowly and it is principally focused on Schofield Barracks (north housing region). The only new quarters in the south region are currently on Ft. Shafter, and they are sufficiently scarce that you can't realistically expect to be offered those.

The overwhelming majority of TAMC physicians live in off-post housing, but there is no favorite spot. I'll try to give a brief description of the most popular choices.

1) West O'ahu - this is a broad area with several choices. The chief advantage of this area is that the real estate is relatively cheap. You can probably afford a single-family home in this area. The climate is appreciably warmer and drier, so air conditioning (preferably central) is a must, in my mind. The major downside is the traffic, which is not to be underestimated.

A) Waipahu/Kunia - slightly closer to TAMC and H1, but also slightly more expensive. Highly commercialized.
B) Ewa Beach - cheaper and more residential, but there's the added hassle of dealing with traffice on Ft. Weaver Road (can double your commute time from 1 hour to two).
C) Kapolei/Makakilo - a little farther away and a little cheaper. Ko'olina is here, which is a resort with many townhomes.

2) Mililani - a very nice town with the added convenience of Schofield Barracks being nearby (commissary, cheap gas, etc.). A higher elevation = a cooler climate. Greater access to the North Shore, but it's probably the farthest away from the beach you can live on the island. Traffic is also an issue, nearly as much of one as living in West O'ahu.

3) Aiea/Pearl City/Salt Lake - much closer to TAMC with an expected increase in cost and congestion. I know very few people that live in this area, and for good reason - the benefit in commute does not seem to outweigh the added congestion. You might as well live in Downtown or Waikiki where there are actually things to do.

4) Downtown/Waikiki - mostly preferred by single physicians who want to be close to the restaurants and nightlife that this area offers. This is obligatory condo/apartment living.

5) Hawaii Kai - on the whole, probably the nicest town on the island. Condo/apartment prices are high, but not out of your price range necessarily. The major downside is that you have to go all the way through the full length of Honolulu for the commute. I've known four people to live here, two of which moved because of the commute.

6) Windward O'ahu - less commercialized side of the island. Feels very far from Honolulu thanks to the intervening mountains, despite only being about 10 miles away, which can be both a good and bad thing. Commute to TAMC is very doable thanks to H3. The MCBH offers most of the benefits of a nearby military base without having to go over the Ko'olau mountains. More expensive, but not prohibitively so.

A) Kailua - relatively expensive. Doubt you could afford a single-family home there without supplemental income (spouse, family, etc.). No hotels (by city ordnance) but still relatively crowded by day. Kailua and Lanikai beaches are among the best in the world.
B) Kaneohe - slightly larger (more restaurants; has a mall, movie theater, etc.), more crowded, and cheaper than Kailua, but not as quaint. You might be able to afford a home there.

7) Waipio/Waimanalo/Waianae - I do not recommend living in these towns.

I hope that helps.
WOW! Thank you so much for taking the time to write that. Very helpful.
 
I am not military, but do live on O'ahu, in Waipahu. I work in Wai'anae. I am white.

Although I appreciate Colbgw02's input, I believe it merits some clarification.

Ewa Beach, Waipahu, and Kunia are in a straight line south to north. Aiea/Pearl City/Salt Lake are east (towards Honolulu and TAMC). COMPACFLT HQ is in Salt Lake.

Living windward (like Kaneohe - the winds go counter-clockwise, so the east side of the island is "windward") will lead to an unhappy but possible commute daily.

Unless you are happy with a one-bedroom, less than 1000 sq ft teardown for a house, you are unlikely to be able to find a place to buy. There might be the military pipeline, but, in general, this place is crazy. And termites are everywhere.

One thing I must say is that Hawai'i Kai is NOT cheap. That is where the rich people live (after Kailua). As an attending, I can't afford a place there. As for avoid Waipio/Waimanilo/Wai'anae? You get what you pay for. Enlisted get in trouble after exit 5 on H-1 (the interstate, heading west) because of the "this is better on the mainland" that they won't stop. If you are a normal, open-minded (or at least not closed-minded) person without a chip on the shoulder, those areas are not bad. I'm as white as the day is long, have a red BMW, and dress smart casual - in other words, I stand out. I've NEVER gotten "haole this" or "go home" or "**** you" - EVER. And I go out, day and night, in the MOST local parts of Wai'anae (to the ATM, not to hang out).

This is my individual, biased opinion. On the flip side, it CAN be done, because people DO it!
 
I am not military, but do live on O'ahu, in Waipahu. I work in Wai'anae. I am white.

Although I appreciate Colbgw02's input, I believe it merits some clarification.

Ewa Beach, Waipahu, and Kunia are in a straight line south to north. Aiea/Pearl City/Salt Lake are east (towards Honolulu and TAMC). COMPACFLT HQ is in Salt Lake.

Living windward (like Kaneohe - the winds go counter-clockwise, so the east side of the island is "windward") will lead to an unhappy but possible commute daily.

Unless you are happy with a one-bedroom, less than 1000 sq ft teardown for a house, you are unlikely to be able to find a place to buy. There might be the military pipeline, but, in general, this place is crazy. And termites are everywhere.

One thing I must say is that Hawai'i Kai is NOT cheap. That is where the rich people live (after Kailua). As an attending, I can't afford a place there. As for avoid Waipio/Waimanilo/Wai'anae? You get what you pay for. Enlisted get in trouble after exit 5 on H-1 (the interstate, heading west) because of the "this is better on the mainland" that they won't stop. If you are a normal, open-minded (or at least not closed-minded) person without a chip on the shoulder, those areas are not bad. I'm as white as the day is long, have a red BMW, and dress smart casual - in other words, I stand out. I've NEVER gotten "haole this" or "go home" or "**** you" - EVER. And I go out, day and night, in the MOST local parts of Wai'anae (to the ATM, not to hang out).

This is my individual, biased opinion. On the flip side, it CAN be done, because people DO it!

Thanks for the clarification and additional input.

Regarding the bold statement, I have commuted daily from the Windward side for several years now, and I am quite content with my commute. My commute is appreciably shorter (time-wise) than my colleagues who live out H1, and it's always a nice feeling to pass by the rubber-necking on the 78/H1 merge as I peel off onto the free-flowing H3.

You (pretty much correctly) inferred what I meant about Waianae/Waimanalo/Waipio. However, at least regarding the first two, it's as much about distance as it is about the make-up of the towns. For example, fighting the traffic on Kalanianaole Hwy from Waimanalo adds to the commute sufficiently as to make it prohibitive. Similarly, I would discourage anyone working at TAMC to try to live on the North Shore.
 
Thanks for the input! Your time is very much appreciated.

I think our biggest fight is with the commute. I'm in DC now with a 1-2 hour commute depending on traffic and don't want to continue this trend. I house-sat in Kaneohe for a week and found the commute to be not only doable but beautiful; much more time on the road than that makes me cringe a little when I think about being post-call.

Thanks again for the scoop!
 
Has anyone here done a rotation at Tripler as a medical student? I was thinking of going there for my 3/4th year ADT. Thanks

I did an OB rotation there that was phenomenal enough for me to rank the program #1. The people were fantastic, the hospital was decent, the service was busy and the overwhelming relaxed atmosphere was a comfort. I guess snorkeling, swimming, and hiking in paradise every day that I had off was kinda nice too. 😀

Of course, I think the experience depends a lot on the service you're on. I have heard good things from ppl who rotated with peds, gen surg, urology, and FP. I don't know anyone who's rotated with Rads or Medicine. The per diem is pretty sweet for the HPSPers. Rotated with a couple of people who shared a beach house on the windward side for $350/night total, which took up their combined per diem, but the house was pretty sweet.

Bottom Line: I'd definitely go if you can work the logistics. Totally worth it.
 
I did an OB rotation there that was phenomenal enough for me to rank the program #1. The people were fantastic, the hospital was decent, the service was busy and the overwhelming relaxed atmosphere was a comfort. I guess snorkeling, swimming, and hiking in paradise every day that I had off was kinda nice too. 😀

Of course, I think the experience depends a lot on the service you're on. I have heard good things from ppl who rotated with peds, gen surg, urology, and FP. I don't know anyone who's rotated with Rads or Medicine. The per diem is pretty sweet for the HPSPers. Rotated with a couple of people who shared a beach house on the windward side for $350/night total, which took up their combined per diem, but the house was pretty sweet.

Bottom Line: I'd definitely go if you can work the logistics. Totally worth it.
Thanks for the response. Now when you went out there, did the military pay for your airfare?
 
Live down by Kapiolani Park by Diamondhead downtown. Wouldn't trade it for the world. A fellow intern of mine lives West of Tripler in Ko'olina area, and regrets his decision to move there. Those who live in Kaneohe and Kailua really enjoy it out there as well.
 
Live down by Kapiolani Park by Diamondhead downtown. Wouldn't trade it for the world. A fellow intern of mine lives West of Tripler in Ko'olina area, and regrets his decision to move there. Those who live in Kaneohe and Kailua really enjoy it out there as well.

I live in this area and don't regret it at all. It's hotter and more dry than the other areas, but it's more, "civilized". Lots of mainland shopping in the area, Ko'Olina is awesome, and I'm surrounded by golf courses with easy access to both Hickam, Pearl Harbor, and the NEX.

Yes, the commute sucks. If I leave around 6:15am it takes about 45 minutes to get the 15 or so miles to work. Fortunately, I'm used to driving 45 minutes to make the 20-30 mile commute back home in the South, so to me it isn't anything new.

The housing out here is also much, much better. I got a nearly 2000 sq ft place, built within the last 5 years, 4 br, 3 bath, 2 car garage and a jacuzzi in the back for $700/mo under by BAH.
 
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