Trouble, gents

[Misterioso]

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Gents, seems like a bit of trouble's brewing my way. Letter in the mail says I got an appointment with the Disciplinary Committee about a little something they like to call unprofessional behavior. It didn't go into much detail except mentioning something about "several reports about your behavior towards staff members".

Now I don't want to jump the gun, but my gut tells me this is about me addressing female nurses, PAs, and the infrequent attractive female physician with terms of endearment. Innocent stuff like "sweetheart", "cupcake", "sunshine", etc. Seems like a few of the lasses took to reporting me or maybe it was the less-than-attractive ones I didn't flatter who got a touch of jealousy and reported me out of spite. Regardless, I gotta pay the piper.

Now I ain't worried or nothing, cuz I'm applying for surgery residency and if any of this makes it onto my Dean's letter it will only move me up the rank list come Match Day since this sort of thing is well received amongst the surgical brethren. But word on the street is this committee is as mean as a rattlesnack with a sunburn and they don't take too kindly to unorthodox displays of charm. The last thing I need is to be assigned a mamby-pamby class about how to behave towards the fairer sex. You know how it is fellas...can't express your masculinity these days without the politically correct gestapo ratting you out.

So if any of you gents got any advice on how to tangle with this committee throw them my way. Much appreciated.

 

[colbgw02]

You appear to have a pretty flippant attitude about this. I suggest that you act appropriately contrite and then apply that contrition toward future behavior.

Your thoughts about the surgical social climate notwithstanding, you would do well to remember that there will be thousands of qualified applicants that don't have a disciplinary letter in their file.

 

[deleted87716]

Listen to what they have to say, do whatever they tell you to do, and don't make the same mistakes again.

I ain't worried or nothing, cuz I'm applying for surgery residency and if any of this makes it onto my Dean's letter it will only move me up the rank list come Match Day since this sort of thing is well received amongst the surgical brethren.

You're sadly mistaken. There's a difference between saying something in a locker room and saying it in public. Nobody wants a liability on their hands.

The last thing I need is to be assigned a mamby-pamby class about how to behave towards the fairer sex.

Actually, that sounds like exactly what you need.

 

[Trifling Jester]

It's a shame, but with the PC crowd these days you have to be careful. Next time make sure you address the fugly nurses as "sweetie" too.

-The Trifling Jester

 

[DarksideAllstar]

Don't feed the trolls. Check the OP's post history re: inflammatory remarks.

 

[Misterioso]

Don't feed the trolls. Check the OP's post history re: inflammatory remarks.

Now partner, let's leave the past in the past. This here's a real issue I gotta tango with. Much obliged for the advice thus far fellas.

 

[snoopy brown]

Now I don't want to jump the gun, but my gut tells me this is about me addressing female nurses, PAs, and the infrequent attractive female physician with terms of endearment. Innocent stuff like "sweetheart", "cupcake", "sunshine", etc.

If that's what you're getting disciplined for your school sucks big donkey d!ck.

 

[smq123]

Now partner, let's leave the past in the past. This here's a real issue I gotta tango with.

But why? Your past posts are so much more interesting to read.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=4651796&postcount=40

Gents, seems like a bit of trouble's brewing my way. Letter in the mail says I got an appointment with the Disciplinary Committee about a little something they like to call unprofessional behavior. It didn't go into much detail except mentioning something about "several reports about your behavior towards staff members".

Now I don't want to jump the gun, but my gut tells me this is about me addressing female nurses, PAs, and the infrequent attractive female physician with terms of endearment. Innocent stuff like "sweetheart", "cupcake", "sunshine", etc. Seems like a few of the lasses took to reporting me or maybe it was the less-than-attractive ones I didn't flatter who got a touch of jealousy and reported me out of spite. Regardless, I gotta pay the piper.

Well, cupcake (you don't mind me calling you cupcake, do you?) - sorry you have to deal with this. Just remember that if there are any women on the disciplinary committee, be sure to talk real s-l-o-w and loud, because heaven knows that their puny brains can't take it if you talk fast. They will appreciate that little bit of courtesy on your part, and I'm sure that this whole unpleasant matter will disappear.

 

[snoopy brown]

Just remember that if there are any women on the disciplinary committee, be sure to talk real s-l-o-w and loud, because heaven knows that their puny brains can't take it if you talk fast.

That's quite an irrelevant statement. The nurses call people "honey" and "sweetie" too. And yet I'm willing you don't consider that condescending and/or sexist right? In other words, you're creating an opinion totally based on the fact that you don't like him and making an otherwise-acceptable act out to be some sort of crime. When people start acting like that it's pretty pathetic.

 

[smq123]

That's quite an irrelevant statement. The nurses call people "honey" and "sweetie" too. And yet I'm willing you don't consider that condescending and/or sexist right? In other words, you're creating an opinion totally based on the fact that you don't like him and making an otherwise-acceptable act out to be some sort of crime. When people start acting like that it's pretty pathetic.

Actually, I DO hate it when anyone calls me "honey" or "sweetie." I have to wear a nametag in the hospital, and (presumably) these nurses can read. I don't even like calling patients by their first name unless they tell me it's okay.

Calling anyone (except your boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse) by an uninvited nickname isn't acceptable. It doesn't matter who it comes from.

 

[snoopy brown]

That's fine. So are you demanding that these nurses be disciplined for inappropriate and unprofessional conduct?

 

[Winged Scapula]

Regardless of how one feelsabout such terms, I think the following may apply:

1) females using those terms toward males and females is generally more accepted in our society than in the reverse. I'm not saying its fair, but women are generally more easily offended when they are directed toward them by a male than vice versa;

2) I would venture that many women are not bothered by being called "honey" or "sweetheart" but the term "cupcake" (which the OP states he uses) is seen as more derogatory;

3) there IS a difference when the terms are used by a superior. As a medical student, the OP may not see himself in a position of supervising or being professional superior to the nurses, but his medical school has a job of preparing him for the day to come when he is. Attending physicians cannot go around calling their staff, residents, students, etc. by such terms, especially when medicine is now (even surgery) nearly half women. As Kent notes, most places won't want to deal with the potential liability.

 

[smq123]

That's fine. So are you demanding that these nurses be disciplined for inappropriate and unprofessional conduct?

Like I said, it bothers me when nurses call me "sweetie." (And yes, I'm a girl.)

Do I wish someone would talk to them about it? Sure.

Do I think that doctors and medical students should be held to a higher standard than nurses? Sure. That's why I don't see anything unusual or unfair about the OP's situation. If he were a nurse or a CNA he might get away with it, but as a med student? Probably not.

 

[Tired]

I don't think the OP really has anything to worry about. These committees like to get all high-and-mighty, make a lot of drastic pronouncements about professionalism and the potential things they could do to you. But at the end of the day, they don't want to do anything to you because it would just reflect badly on them. Assuming he has a good academic record, they'll just give him a warning and he can move on.

 

[snoopy brown]

3) there IS a difference when the terms are used by a superior. As a medical student, the OP may not see himself in a position of supervising or being professional superior to the nurses, but his medical school has a job of preparing him for the day to come when he is.

It's a fair statement but it's not true in practice. Like it's great to say that the medical student is professionally superior, but you and I both know it's only true when it comes times like these to explain some stupid punishment. When else is the student professionally superior? Come on. I'm not going to use rationalizations in order to beat a peer up. If the medical student is a superior to the nurses and needs to be held to a higher standard fine. Also, that makes him their superior.

 

[Tired]

It's a fair statement but it's not true in practice. Like it's great to say that the medical student is professionally superior, but you and I both know it's only true when it comes times like these to explain some stupid punishment. When else is the student professionally superior? Come on. I'm not going to use rationalizations in order to beat a peer up. If the medical student is a superior to the nurses and needs to be held to a higher standard fine. Also, that makes him their superior.

Yeah, you're dead on. Med students are considered doctors in all cases where it makes the nurse's life easier (starting lines, arranging transfers, giving orders the nurses like) but are considered insignficant toads when they want nurses to do work (giving orders, helping with procedures, accepting patients).

If I got hauled in front of a disciplinary board like this, I'd just say, "No I didn't. Who said that about me? I did nothing of the sort. Do I need to talk with my attorney?"

 

[PediBoneDoc]

let me bring a little reality to this whole situation ...

Misterioso,

i have had residents go through this before. this can be a significant problem. it depends what the complaints are. this is not to taken lightly. meeting with a committee means that they are starting to build a case and make things official. i will assume it is your first offense. usually you will get a slap on the wrist. you will be required to have some sensitivity training, counseling, etc. it depends on the rules in your institution. this will be the first step. it is not a big deal. the problem is now you have a file. should more complaints be made, this will be in your record and it will be seen as a pattern.

when i was chief resident, i had a resident with this same issue. he jumped through the hoops. the next year he was fired for cause, repetitive offenses.

so, my advice is take it seriously.

just my 2 cents.

 

[Top Gun]

Now I ain't worried or nothing, cuz I'm applying for surgery residency and if any of this makes it onto my Dean's letter it will only move me up the rank list come Match Day since this sort of thing is well received amongst the surgical brethren. But word on the street is this committee is as mean as a rattlesnack with a sunburn and they don't take too kindly to unorthodox displays of charm. The last thing I need is to be assigned a mamby-pamby class about how to behave towards the fairer sex. You know how it is fellas...can't express your masculinity these days without the politically correct gestapo ratting you out.

Sorry buddy, but in this day and age, what you said to the nurses won't be viewed favorably by the surgical residencies. It may have been accepted in the past, but not in this politically correct era. My suggestion to you is that when you go before the disciplinary committee, you show considerable contrition and willingness to do whatever kind of penance the committee wants you to do, whether it be sensitivity training or a class on sexual harassment.

 

[Dr JPH]

Gents, seems like a bit of trouble's brewing my way. Letter in the mail says I got an appointment with the Disciplinary Committee about a little something they like to call unprofessional behavior. It didn't go into much detail except mentioning something about "several reports about your behavior towards staff members".

Now I don't want to jump the gun, but my gut tells me this is about me addressing female nurses, PAs, and the infrequent attractive female physician with terms of endearment. Innocent stuff like "sweetheart", "cupcake", "sunshine", etc. Seems like a few of the lasses took to reporting me or maybe it was the less-than-attractive ones I didn't flatter who got a touch of jealousy and reported me out of spite. Regardless, I gotta pay the piper.

Now I ain't worried or nothing, cuz I'm applying for surgery residency and if any of this makes it onto my Dean's letter it will only move me up the rank list come Match Day since this sort of thing is well received amongst the surgical brethren. But word on the street is this committee is as mean as a rattlesnack with a sunburn and they don't take too kindly to unorthodox displays of charm. The last thing I need is to be assigned a mamby-pamby class about how to behave towards the fairer sex. You know how it is fellas...can't express your masculinity these days without the politically correct gestapo ratting you out.

So if any of you gents got any advice on how to tangle with this committee throw them my way. Much appreciated.

I would say you are in trouble. 👍

 

[ERMudPhud]

Dude's nothing but a troll. Look at some of the other threads he's started. You really think based on those threads he's looking for an honest answer to a real problem he's facing? No way

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=253961

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=360704

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=358511

If he's really in trouble its probably the totally ridiculous boot licking idol worship he displayed toward his favorite CT surgeon in the last thread that started him down the "cupcake" road. If he were truly dumb enough to call anyone at work "cupcake" he deserves what he gets.

 

[Winged Scapula]

It's a fair statement but it's not true in practice. Like it's great to say that the medical student is professionally superior, but you and I both know it's only true when it comes times like these to explain some stupid punishment. When else is the student professionally superior? Come on. I'm not going to use rationalizations in order to beat a peer up. If the medical student is a superior to the nurses and needs to be held to a higher standard fine. Also, that makes him their superior.

I agree with your statement above, but that wasn't my point (whether or not a medical student is considered professional superior to nurses). My point was that his school has a responsibility, as the OP does, to see that he comports himself in a manner consistent with his future profession.

You and he may not like it, but the fact of the matter is that his behavior has obviously caused some to be offended and needs to be addressed. It is likely that given his description of his behavior that he is not aware of how he comes off and makes others feel. The reality is that he IS held to a higher standard, both as a future physician and as a male. Hospitals are very sensitive to these issues and they are right to try and nip the behavior in the bud before they get sued for allowing their students to place other workers in a uncomfortable work environment.

 

[Winged Scapula]

If I got hauled in front of a disciplinary board like this, I'd just say, "No I didn't. Who said that about me? I did nothing of the sort. Do I need to talk with my attorney?"

Yes you do. The OP has admitted that his is not an isolated incidence and involves not only nurses and other allied health care workers, but female attending physicans. Too many people, with too many stories and nothing to lose to see him or you gone.

Sorry, but I've seen several of these cases...and most of the time the behavior is a pattern which has been documented and verified by many others. Denying it with an arrogant attitude will do yourself no favors.

 

[snoopy brown]

You and he may not like it, but the fact of the matter is that his behavior has obviously caused some to be offended and needs to be addressed.

I agree with that but I am adding that it's baloney for two reasons. One is that people are looking to be offended. It's hard for me to believe that nurses are offended by "honey" when they use it themselves. Second is that I am perpetually amazed that physicians try to blast each other and rationalize why their peer is in the wrong. As soon as they are told someone is "in trouble" they start brainstorming why it's justified like it's a class assignment.

 

[SLUser11]

If that's what you're getting disciplined for your school sucks big donkey d!ck.

Misterioso, is that you? If not, you guys should get together.




Arguably, SDN's best troll is back, complete with a Steve Perry gif and what appears to be a southern twang (gents, this here.....). It didn't take long for him to ruffle some feathers, either. This thread is less than 6 hours old and it has 24 posts.

He's gotten me before, but not today. I have a big presentation to give and I can't spend the night writing furious retorts to his posts........

I give this thread a 2/10. Better than MacGuyver, not as good as TypeB MD.....

 

[Winged Scapula]

I agree with that but I am adding that it's baloney for two reasons. One is that people are looking to be offended. It's hard for me to believe that nurses are offended by "honey" when they use it themselves. Second is that I am perpetually amazed that physicians try to blast each other and rationalize why their peer is in the wrong. As soon as they are told someone is "in trouble" they start brainstorming why it's justified like it's a class assignment.

Some people do get offended at things that you and I would not even notice.

Without knowing the full story, it may not be that the nurses are offended by being called "honey" but rather "cupcake" or any number of other terms that he hasn't mentioned. Or perhaps the WAY it is said by the OP is what bothers those who have complained...I suspect, given his previous posts, that the terms are not used as a friendly expression of affection with those with whom he is friendly, but rather as a derogatory term and are said in a snide fashion. Or perhaps these comments are accompanied by unwanted sexist remarks or physical interactions. If you have read his previous posts, you'll see he decided to start calling the nurses "sweetheart" so as to emulate one of the more hated CT surgeons on staff there who does that. Referring to women by such terms normally reserved for affectionate relationships when you are meaning to derogate them is insulting and belittling. It is a "there there little woman, don't worry your pretty little head about it" type of comment and many women ARE offended by its usage in this fashion. Most women are not offended by the use of the terms when they are used in a friendly fashion such as expressing appreciation for a job done, "thank you for helping sweetie. I really appreciate it." However, you have to be careful as some are offended by any such usage in the work place.

I don't know the OP; none of us do. However, many of us responding here have seen enough of his posts (which admittedly may be pure fabrication and/or not reflect his IRL persona) and enough of these situations to take them seriously.

Is it fair that men get hit with these complaints as frequently as they are? NO...as you note, some people are looking to be offended. But this thread, and my responses, aren't about what is fair. Its about what should be seen as a serious matter and addressed as such. This isn't about justifying whether or not the treatment of the OP is "fair"...his employer is REQUIRED to address these issues if they are raised. For all I know he's totally innocent of the charges...for all I know, the program has a problem with him and this is a way to get rid of him.

I personally don't care if someone calls me honey...although my attendings tended to prefer "Kimmy", "kiddo", "KC" or "sweetie" (the latter more of a reflection of my frequent use of the term with colleagues)...but there are plenty of others that do and I suspect there is more behind the OP's story than he chooses to tell.

 

[elwademd]

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you're in a hard situation... i wasn't there, so i don't know what truly happened... interestingly enough, i would imagine that the people/committee/deans/whoever you have to go in front of wasn't there either.
regardless of what actually happened, they'll have what reportedly happened.

the best way for you to go through it is to be polite, and refrain from arguing. don't get emotional/angry/upset. state that you will work to improve your treatment of others. if they ask you to go to a class/training, then go with a smile. whether you buy into the class/training is up to you.
this is the advice if you want to continue to be a physician, since in many ways, this committee will have you buy the balls.

if you don't care whether or not you continue your training, then go ahead and state your case and how it didn't happen that way; how you're in the right, and whomever it is that brought up these allegations is in the wrong.

don't get me wrong, this situation may be completely off base; but there's no way for you to get through it while being argumentative.

remember, perception is reality. the committee's perception when you walk in the room will be what they've read in the complaint. it's up to you to change their perception of you; or at least sway it in your favor. to me, the only way for you to do that is to be polite, say it won't happen again, and do what it takes for you to be back in their good graces.

 

[Annette]

Misterioso, do you drive a camaro, wear shirts open to your navel with your chest hair fluffed out? Lots of gold chains? Hair slicked back? Leisure suit? Thats what I thought!😀

 

[Winged Scapula]

Arguably, SDN's best troll is back, complete with a Steve Perry gif and what appears to be a southern twang (gents, this here.....). It didn't take long for him to ruffle some feathers, either. This thread is less than 6 hours old and it has 24 posts.

He's gotten me before, but not today. I have a big presentation to give and I can't spend the night writing furious retorts to his posts........

Yeah, it has reminded me of why I blocked his posts from view previously. I should do it again...but being post-call, am feeling sort of peckish and looking for an argument!

 

[snoopy brown]

This isn't about justifying whether or not the treatment of the OP is "fair"

I know that's my point. Doctors are a curious bunch. They're extremely passive but if you tell them something is a "law" or "rule" they'll follow it no matter what. If I could get someone to say that there was a new JHACO rule that you couldn't use the bathroom and had to wear diapers you'd see everyone doing it within two days without a peep.

 

[johankriek]

Gents, seems like a bit of trouble's brewing my way. Letter in the mail says I got an appointment with the Disciplinary Committee about a little something they like to call unprofessional behavior. It didn't go into much detail except mentioning something about "several reports about your behavior towards staff members".

Now I don't want to jump the gun, but my gut tells me this is about me addressing female nurses, PAs, and the infrequent attractive female physician with terms of endearment. Innocent stuff like "sweetheart", "cupcake", "sunshine", etc. Seems like a few of the lasses took to reporting me or maybe it was the less-than-attractive ones I didn't flatter who got a touch of jealousy and reported me out of spite. Regardless, I gotta pay the piper.

Now I ain't worried or nothing, cuz I'm applying for surgery residency and if any of this makes it onto my Dean's letter it will only move me up the rank list come Match Day since this sort of thing is well received amongst the surgical brethren. But word on the street is this committee is as mean as a rattlesnack with a sunburn and they don't take too kindly to unorthodox displays of charm. The last thing I need is to be assigned a mamby-pamby class about how to behave towards the fairer sex. You know how it is fellas...can't express your masculinity these days without the politically correct gestapo ratting you out.

So if any of you gents got any advice on how to tangle with this committee throw them my way. Much appreciated.

listen dude,

you havent graduated yet.. they can throw your ass out of school.. dont think they cant.. they did it to my friend...

so take this seriously.. apologize and move on with your life.. dont bs with nurses.. dont fratanize with them dont have sex with them.. dont do nothing... you wanna do all that stuff go to the nite clubs... the only thing you do is write orders and clarify them ... If you are friends with some of them fine.. just keep it platonic...

 

[colbgw02]

I know that's my point. Doctors are a curious bunch. They're extremely passive but if you tell them something is a "law" or "rule" they'll follow it no matter what. If I could get someone to say that there was a new JHACO rule that you couldn't use the bathroom and had to wear diapers you'd see everyone doing it within two days without a peep.

JCAHO. Uhhhh. Just seeing the "word" makes my spine shiver. I purposely break their rules because I think so many of them are so stupid.

I also ignore fire alarms. I'm such a rebel.

 

[Misterioso]

Thanks for shooting them wise words my ways ladies and gents. Now that I've had a chance to ponder it I reckon I know who at least one of the dames who sold me out is.

You see fellas, we got a few pretty birds round the hospital and it was them that I mainly graced with those terms of affection. They didn't seem to mind, but you know how it is with women gents...a fella can never really be sure what's brewing behind that pleasant smile. Like my cousin Zeke "Mad Dog" Ezekiel always says "Never trust a woman unless she used to be a man". Now Zeke ain't the most trustworthy fella around, still owing back pay on child support and alimony from a previous marriage and all, but he's good people and his words sometimes ring true.

The kicker to all this gents is that this here committee don't let a lawyer into the room with me. Meaning I gotta go in there and defend myself. But I can bring witnesses to support my cause. I've got a few fellas in mind who might back me up, one being Chuck "Lefty" Lefkowitz. But the committee may not take much of a liking to old Chuck seeing he's had his own run in with the committee, not to mention the local law enforcement.

Bottom line gents is that it's their word against mine. They ain't got no proof I called them those words. But even if they say so, so what? It ain't like some of the surgeons here don't throw them same phrases around from time to time. Besides I bet this would be a great conversation starter during my surgery interviews. Them guys know where I'm coming from.

 

[Top Gun]

Dude's nothing but a troll. Look at some of the other threads he's started. You really think based on those threads he's looking for an honest answer to a real problem he's facing? No way

You know, I'm actually kind of wondering the same thing. Seeing as how he's written many inflammatory posts in the past, it could be that he's making this whole thing up just to get a rise out of people. Most med students would be too afraid to even think of calling a nurse "cupcake" or "sweetheart."

 

[snoopy brown]

The kicker to all this gents is that this here committee don't let a lawyer into the room with me.

The key is not to give them any information. Answer questions with as little information as possible, preferably just "yes" or "no." You don't have to really defend yourself which is a common misperception. They have to prove your are guilty not the other way around which is how medical schools/residencies like it (you prove you're innocent). Just sit there and smile at them. If it's a woman grilling you don't make eye contact, just look at her breasts.

 

[Top Gun]

The kicker to all this gents is that this here committee don't let a lawyer into the room with me. Meaning I gotta go in there and defend myself. But I can bring witnesses to support my cause. I've got a few fellas in mind who might back me up, one being Chuck "Lefty" Lefkowitz. But the committee may not take much of a liking to old Chuck seeing he's had his own run in with the committee, not to mention the local law enforcement.

Okay, now I'm more convinced than ever that you're trolling. I mean, for one thing, most disciplinary hearings would allow you to have a lawyer present. Second, I find it hard to believe you know a guy named "Lefty" who actually got in trouble for racketeering.

 

[snoopy brown]

Okay, now I'm more convinced than ever that you're trolling. I mean, for one thing, most disciplinary hearings would allow you to have a lawyer present. Second, I find it hard to believe you know a guy named "Lefty" who actually got in trouble for racketeering.

Just to make a point, disciplinary hearings do not necessarily allow lawyers to be present. It depends on the level of the hearing. If it's an "informal" meeting it can just be between you and one or two faculty members. Or keep in mind that often they deliberately don't tell you that you can bring in a lawyer. I know people who have faced hearings before and they do not go out of their way to tell you your rights. It's basically you know your rights or you get the shaft.

 

[BlackSails]

They have to prove your are guilty not the other way around

*bzzzt* wrong, try again. This is not a court of law. There is no presumption of innocence.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Now partner, let's leave the past in the past. This here's a real issue I gotta tango with. Much obliged for the advice thus far fellas.

Couldnt have happened to a nicer fella. Im guessing you are FOS but its cool. Somehow you managed to get unbanned. Shame on the SDN community.

 

[snoopy brown]

*bzzzt* wrong, try again. This is not a court of law. There is no presumption of innocence.

People like you are the reason I have a lot of contempt for people in the medical profession.

 

[EctopicFetus]

Snoopy and Misterioso are two in the same.

This isnt a court of law and while again I think missyioso is fos he needs to realize that while many of us have seen surgeons act inappropriately NO PD in his mind wants a walking lawsuit/pain in the butt resident on their hands. Good luck with getting a residency. Glad Im not a turd basket like you!

 

[snoopy brown]

Snoopy and Misterioso are two in the same.

First off I don't even know the guy I'm pretty new here. And the reason I made that comment to BlackSalis is because it's really irritating how many people in here will support something wrong just because it's "a policy." All the analytical powers of a physician suddenly turn into a blank wall and everyone starts acting like a herd. It's why change will never come to health care because administrative people can just tell physicians "do this, do that" and they will do it. But hey if you like that, then so be it. I can't change you.

 

[sohsie]

Now I ain't worried or nothing, cuz I'm applying for surgery residency and if any of this makes it onto my Dean's letter it will only move me up the rank list come Match Day since this sort of thing is well received amongst the surgical brethren.

I am shocked and amazed how many people are taking this post seriously 😕 Honestly, do you really think someone is sooooo stupid as to think that a disciplinary hearing will be "well received" by anyone?!? Look at his followup post about his friends "Zeke" and "Lefty". What is this, an episode of the Dukes of Hazzard?

This ENTIRE POST is a fake. WAKE UP!

 

[Chronic Student]

What sohsie said.

-Mike

 

[Tired]

It's not quite "Had My Way With the Anesthesiologist Today", but it's a valiant effort.

 

[plastikosmd]

troll or not...he makes me laugh..thats good for somethin

 

[BlackSails]

People like you are the reason I have a lot of contempt for people in the medical profession.

I am not in the medical profession.

To expand: The hospital can terminate you for basically any reason that does not violate state and federal law. Sexually harassing employees is valid grounds for dismissal. They dont even actually have to give you a hearing.

 

[typeB-md]

Misterioso, is that you? If not, you guys should get together.




Arguably, SDN's best troll is back, complete with a Steve Perry gif and what appears to be a southern twang (gents, this here.....). It didn't take long for him to ruffle some feathers, either. This thread is less than 6 hours old and it has 24 posts.

He's gotten me before, but not today. I have a big presentation to give and I can't spend the night writing furious retorts to his posts........

I give this thread a 2/10. Better than MacGuyver, not as good as TypeB MD.....

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[elwademd]

I am not in the medical profession.

To expand: The hospital can terminate you for basically any reason that does not violate state and federal law. Sexually harassing employees is valid grounds for dismissal. They dont even actually have to give you a hearing.

to whom are you referring when you say the hospital can terminate you?

typically, physicians are not employed by hospitals. as such, physicians are not the employees. they do, however, have hospital privileges. those hospital privileges can potentially be revoked, after a meeting (or meetings) with the medical staff and a vote for whether privileges of said physician should continue to be honored, or should they be revoked.

medical students also are not employed by the hospital. of course, they're not even employed, lol. however, they are allowed to be in the hospital under the auspices of their respective medical school... in a sense, the medical school acts as the "medical staff" for the medical student.

a hospital can not dismiss a physician nor a medical student. a hospital can, however, make it known to medical staff or a medical school that it has reservations about a physician or medical student.

 

[Misterioso]

Gents, had myself a little chat with my Pop's lawyer yesterday. Pops has him on retainer ever since he had to tangle with some malpractice suits some years back. Saul "The Shark" Cohenstein is as crafty as a lawyer as you're gonna get and he's bailed my old man out of some jams so I ain't got nothing but respect for the fella. Sure old Saul had his own run in with the law board for a little drinking problem but if any of you gents claim you haven't fought the bottle yourselves I'm gonna have to call you a liar.

Saul tells me the disciplinary committee has every right to keep a lawyer out of these here proceedings because they ain't exactly legal proceedings in the strict sense of the word. The catch being they ain't allowed to have a lawyer present either. But that don't mean Saul can't be coaching me behind the scenes, and at a tune of $350 per hour I reckon the coaching is gonna be A-grade material.

First off he wants a list of all the people who've made accusations so he can do a little thing he likes to call a full background check on them. The committee has to spill these names cuz a man's got a right to know who his accusers are. The committee also has to state in no uncertain terms what the accusations are instead of the ambiguous "unprofessional behavior" cuz a man's got a right to know what he's exactly being accused with.

On a side note, I looked up who the members of the committee are and good new gents...one of them's a semi-retired surgeon who trained back in the day when they didn't make a mountain out of a molehill like this. So I reckon I got as close to an ally as I'm gonna get on that front.

 

[chimichanga]

Gents, had myself a little chat with my Pop's lawyer yesterday. Pops has him on retainer ever since he had to tangle with some malpractice suits some years back. Saul "The Shark" Cohenstein is as crafty as a lawyer as you're gonna get and he's bailed my old man out of some jams so I ain't got nothing but respect for the fella. .

Is that the best Jewish name you could come up with?

And the "crafty" and "shark" adjectives are too gratuitous...you forgot "slick" and "scheister"


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