Trying to attain in-state residency before applying?

[FutureZooVet]

I'm considering moving to another state to gain in-state residency for admissions. I'm looking at North Carolina in particular and I noticed they accept about 42% of their instate applicants and only about 5% of their out of state applicants.I was wondering if anyone knows how long you have to reside in state before they consider you a resident? I know after you've enrolled you have to live there for a year or more and prove more or less that you intend to stay (driver's license, permanent place of residence, car registration, etc.) But I'm wondering about before your application.

The reason I'm asking is I'm planning on traveling a bit after I graduate, maybe doing an internship and then applying the next fall. I'll probably be back by March, but that would mean I'd only been in NC for 8 months rather than 12 at the time of application. Does anyone have any experience trying this?

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[RackingHorse]

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/studentservices/admissions.html

Here is a section from their admissions page regarding residency. Even though this says they like to see you have lived in NC for three years, I am not sure how long you actually have to live in NC before you are considered a resident.


6. Diversity Diversity, i.e., those unique attributes that a prospective veterinary medical student contributes to the NC State College of Veterinary Medicine or to the veterinary medical profession, is an important consideration during the selection of prospective veterinary medical students.*
Examples of those unique attributes include, but are not limited to (alphabetical order):
Career interest in area with national shortage
Graduate school course work and graduate degrees (master and doctorate-level)
North Carolina residency (3 or more years duration)
Other career and/or life experiences
Personal/economic hardship
Under-represented minority group
Under-represented North Carolina counties

 

[NStarz]

I believe it is usually one year living in the state prior to matriculation (or admission?) for non-education purposes. Your best bet would be to contact the school.

 

[jmo1012]

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/studentservices/admissions.html

Here is a section from their admissions page regarding residency. Even though this says they like to see you have lived in NC for three years, I am not sure how long you actually have to live in NC before you are considered a resident.


6. Diversity Diversity, i.e., those unique attributes that a prospective veterinary medical student contributes to the NC State College of Veterinary Medicine or to the veterinary medical profession, is an important consideration during the selection of prospective veterinary medical students.*
Examples of those unique attributes include, but are not limited to (alphabetical order):
Career interest in area with national shortage
Graduate school course work and graduate degrees (master and doctorate-level)
North Carolina residency (3 or more years duration)
Other career and/or life experiences
Personal/economic hardship
Under-represented minority group
Under-represented North Carolina counties

i think what you're looking at is things they give special consideration to, one of which is being a resident of the state for 3+ years (i.e. you didn't just move to NC to establish residency or whatnot)

when i search, i find the following info:

"establishment of domicile (legal residence) and physical presence in North Carolina for at least 12 months
• residence has been maintained for at least 12 continuous months prior to the start of the term
• intent to make North Carolina a permanent home of indefinite duration
• evidence supporting that one is not in the state solely for the purpose of attending an institution of higher education"

from the DVM admissions FAQ site, I was directed here
http://www.ncsu.edu/grad/tuition-residency/
http://www.ncsu.edu/general_counsel/legal_topics/residency.php

 

[StartingoverVet]

notice that there are different situations here.

1) what is residency for receiving instate tuition? (1 year).
2) what is amount of residency to increase your chances of acceptance (3 years).

i have never heard of this kind of disparity before, but the OP wanted to increase odds of gaining admission, so 1 year isn't going to cut it, it appears.

 

[twelvetigers]

i think what you're looking at is things they give special consideration to, one of which is being a resident of the state for 3+ years (i.e. you didn't just move to NC to establish residency or whatnot)

when i search, i find the following info:

"establishment of domicile (legal residence) and physical presence in North Carolina for at least 12 months
• residence has been maintained for at least 12 continuous months prior to the start of the term
• intent to make North Carolina a permanent home of indefinite duration
• evidence supporting that one is not in the state solely for the purpose of attending an institution of higher education"

from the DVM admissions FAQ site, I was directed here
http://www.ncsu.edu/grad/tuition-residency/
http://www.ncsu.edu/general_counsel/legal_topics/residency.php

The bolded above seem to be the most damning parts of the rules for the OP, anyway.

Maybe another state has easier residency requirements? I think they know at NCSU that the $10k/year (ish) tuition is pretty desirable, and make it accordingly difficult to become a resident for that reason.

 

[Trilt]

The three year thing is just one of the many random criteria in the "diversity" section of our application... if you're eligible for in-state tuition, you're in the "in-state" group of our application and processed accordingly.

I've never really looked into this, but my gut feeling is that they're going to want you to have lived here for a year before application to consider you an in-state applicant. I would contact admissions and ask, personally.

And it's actually pretty easy to change your residency to NC, as I know we're one of pretty few schools who lets people change after they begin classes, but it is generally done in that 12-month time frame.

 

[nyanko]

The bolded above seem to be the most damning parts of the rules for the OP, anyway.

Maybe another state has easier residency requirements? I think they know at NCSU that the $10k/year (ish) tuition is pretty desirable, and make it accordingly difficult to become a resident for that reason.

All the schools say those same things, even the ones that allow people to attain in-state tuition after the first year.

 

[Foxhunter]

I know my friend moved here this summer and is working on attaining residency now while working at a vet clinic. I believe she's considered OOS for admissions, but will be IS when it comes to tuition (because she'll have been here for an entire year before tuition is due).

 

[sumstorm]

I did exactly what you are talking about; moved to NC, worked at a vet clinic for a year (with a vet who was an NCSU grad and had taught at the vet school for a couple of years) applied to vet school as an instate. I was accepted out of the instate pool. However, that wa 4 years ago, so YMMV.

 

[sumstorm]

I heard rumor that we are talking about getting rid of the ability to change to in-state post admissions, but I haven't heard anything official and the rumor wasn't from a highly reliable source, so I don't actually know if that will happen in the future or not.

 

[orcagirl]

I heard rumor that we are talking about getting rid of the ability to change to in-state post admissions, but I haven't heard anything official and the rumor wasn't from a highly reliable source, so I don't actually know if that will happen in the future or not.

You can get residency for tuition purposes post-admission. However, I think the OP is worried about the competition in the OOS pool. Hey, it's not impossible. I got in as an OOSer. It's all a matter of how you present yourself on the application.

 

[sumstorm]

Ummm...well aware of what the OP is talking about; as I noted, I actually did the same thing (relocated and established residency prior to admissions.) I was addressing the ability to gain residency while in attendance. Currently it is possible, however last year our admissions committees were discussing a change that would result in OOS tuition for all four years. The rumor I heard was from faculty; the issue is whether it would fly with legal services. Additionally, numbers do matter; I really doubt I would have gained admissions as an OOS (grades were too old and GPA was borderline) but congrats that it worked for you!

 

[orcagirl]

Ummm...well aware of what the OP is talking about; as I noted, I actually did the same thing (relocated and established residency prior to admissions.) I was addressing the ability to gain residency while in attendance. Currently it is possible, however last year our admissions committees were discussing a change that would result in OOS tuition for all four years. The rumor I heard was from faculty; the issue is whether it would fly with legal services. Additionally, numbers do matter; I really doubt I would have gained admissions as an OOS (grades were too old and GPA was borderline) but congrats that it worked for you!

I see. That makes sense. Sorry if my post came off the wrong way. I may have mis-read your post. 😳 I would hate to lose out on the opportunity to gain IS tuition, but I love the school anyway. I know the numbers do mean something. I didn't mean to disregard them completely. It's tough to get in anywhere as OOS, but places like NCSU are a little more difficult as there are only 20 spots. However, it shouldn't scare anyone away if that is where they want to go.

 

[BladeofGrass]

Hey--I have a question about establishing residency, particularly at UFL. Does anyone have experience with this? A couple people in another thread said you can't establish residency as an OOS, but their website and links to the state's requirements make it look like it's possible. Has anyone tried or worked through these details in the past who could give a little insight? It also looks like the residency rules changed in 2009. Any info would be great; all these state laws and requirements can get confusing 🙁

 

[wildcatj]

Hey--I have a question about establishing residency, particularly at UFL. Does anyone have experience with this? A couple people in another thread said you can't establish residency as an OOS, but their website and links to the state's requirements make it look like it's possible. Has anyone tried or worked through these details in the past who could give a little insight? It also looks like the residency rules changed in 2009. Any info would be great; all these state laws and requirements can get confusing 🙁

It's my understanding that they do not allow you to gain residency for the purpose of getting in state tuition anymore. I haven't looked at their website, but as far as tuition goes, once you come in as OOS you stay OOS even if you become a FL resident.

 

[Emiloo4]

Hey--I have a question about establishing residency, particularly at UFL. Does anyone have experience with this? A couple people in another thread said you can't establish residency as an OOS, but their website and links to the state's requirements make it look like it's possible. Has anyone tried or worked through these details in the past who could give a little insight? It also looks like the residency rules changed in 2009. Any info would be great; all these state laws and requirements can get confusing 🙁

You can absolutely NOT change your residency here at FL once you matriculate as an OOS student. Your tuition does lock though. Our tuition (ISers) goes up every year, but OOSers are locked at the price they pay the first year. There is no way around this. Sorry.

 

[Cucullaris]

I have a question along these lines. I'm wondering if I could move to North Carolina in May of one year and be considered a resident for the admissions advantage in an application for Fall entrance in the next year. I know this would qualify me for resident tuition, but that doesn't matter if I can't get in. The question is, when does the admissions office ask you to validate your residency?

I know this happens in January for some med schools. We went through this same residency headache for med schools with my fiance, and we were forced to go long distance from each other for a year to play it safe. We talked to some admissions officials, and no one had clear answers.

For current vet students, when, if at all, in the admissions process did your in-state school ask you to verify or provide proof of your residency status?

 

[annopia]

I have a question along these lines. I'm wondering if I could move to North Carolina in May of one year and be considered a resident for the admissions advantage in an application for Fall entrance in the next year. I know this would qualify me for resident tuition, but that doesn't matter if I can't get in. The question is, when does the admissions office ask you to validate your residency?

I know this happens in January for some med schools. We went through this same residency headache for med schools with my fiance, and we were forced to go long distance from each other for a year to play it safe. We talked to some admissions officials, and no one had clear answers.

For current vet students, when, if at all, in the admissions process did your in-state school ask you to verify or provide proof of your residency status?

my residency is kind of up in the air but i claimed nc state residency this cycle...their admissions hasn't contacted me yet to validate. not sure if thats because they don't think there's a problem, or they haven't gotten to that yet. but my guess would be that they haven't gotten to it yet.

 

[dovelover]

I have a question along these lines. I'm wondering if I could move to North Carolina in May of one year and be considered a resident for the admissions advantage in an application for Fall entrance in the next year. I know this would qualify me for resident tuition, but that doesn't matter if I can't get in. The question is, when does the admissions office ask you to validate your residency?

I know this happens in January for some med schools. We went through this same residency headache for med schools with my fiance, and we were forced to go long distance from each other for a year to play it safe. We talked to some admissions officials, and no one had clear answers.

For current vet students, when, if at all, in the admissions process did your in-state school ask you to verify or provide proof of your residency status?

My understanding of it is that you have to be a resident at the time you submit your application (I believe they actually covered this at the NCSU admissions session I went to). Even if they don't ask you to verify it until later (if at all), the dates on your various documents (drivers license, etc.) will clearly show when you arrived in the state, and that you weren't there for a year when you applied... they might not press the issue, but then again, they could also withdraw your offer of admission.

I briefly considered moving last summer so that if I didn't get in anywhere this cycle, I'd have residency somewhere I liked for next cycle (I don't particularly like my current in state school and they're not particularly favorable to residents anyway--only school that hasn't offered me an interview yet, as a matter of fact...) but the idea of giving up my free rent (aka living with my parents...) that was allowing me to do some cool unpaid internships just wasn't appealing...

 

[Cucullaris]

My understanding of it is that you have to be a resident at the time you submit your application (I believe they actually covered this at the NCSU admissions session I went to). Even if they don't ask you to verify it until later (if at all), the dates on your various documents (drivers license, etc.) will clearly show when you arrived in the state, and that you weren't there for a year when you applied... they might not press the issue, but then again, they could also withdraw your offer of admission.

Valuable info. Was this for determining residency for tuition rates as well?

 

[dovelover]

Valuable info. Was this for determining residency for tuition rates as well?

I believe tuition is determined by your residency status when they bill you, so you can get in state tuition first year even if you're filling an out of state seat. But I don't know that 100% for certain.

 

[Cucullaris]

In case anyone is curious, I calculated the combined percent chance of getting accepted into at least one of these 11 schools (only ones possible for me) as an out of stater, if you applied to all of them:

UC Davis
North Carolina State
Ohio State
UPenn
University of Wisconsin At Madison
Michigan State University
University of Minnesota
University of Florida
Tufts University
University of Missouri
Louisiana State University

That chance is 46.6%

Compare that to the chance of getting accepting into one of these schools as an in stater, and applying to ONLY that school:

UC Davis 23.50%
North Carolina State 32.20%
Ohio State 40.50%
UPenn 19.60%
University of Wisconsin At Madison 28.80%
Michigan State University 31.90%
University of Minnesota 24.00%
University of Florida 28.00%
Tufts University ?
University of Missouri 44.10%
Louisiana State University 45.20%

So if moving to the city of one of these schools for residency means giving up the chance to apply to all other schools, as I would have to do, it's really only advisable for Louisiana, Missouri, or Ohio. Otherwise, there's a pretty big drop in your chance of acceptance.

 

[Minnerbelle]

In case anyone is curious, I calculated the combined percent chance of getting accepted into at least one of these 11 schools (only ones possible for me) as an out of stater, if you applied to all of them:

UC Davis
North Carolina State
Ohio State
UPenn
University of Wisconsin At Madison
Michigan State University
University of Minnesota
University of Florida
Tufts University
University of Missouri
Louisiana State University

That chance is 46.6%

Compare that to the chance of getting accepting into one of these schools as an in stater, and applying to ONLY that school:

UC Davis 23.50%
North Carolina State 32.20%
Ohio State 40.50%
UPenn 19.60%
University of Wisconsin At Madison 28.80%
Michigan State University 31.90%
University of Minnesota 24.00%
University of Florida 28.00%
Tufts University ?
University of Missouri 44.10%
Louisiana State University 45.20%

So if moving to the city of one of these schools for residency means giving up the chance to apply to all other schools, as I would have to do, it's really only advisable for Louisiana, Missouri, or Ohio. Otherwise, there's a pretty big drop in your chance of acceptance.

Wait, why can you only apply to one school? If you were going to apply to all 11 schools for a combined 47% chance to get in and pay oos tuition anyway... Why not increase that chance substantially by still applying to all 11 (and have a higher chance of paying is tuition)?

 

[Foxhunter]

In case anyone is curious, I calculated the combined percent chance of getting accepted into at least one of these 11 schools (only ones possible for me) as an out of stater, if you applied to all of them:

UC Davis
North Carolina State
Ohio State
UPenn
University of Wisconsin At Madison
Michigan State University
University of Minnesota
University of Florida
Tufts University
University of Missouri
Louisiana State University

That chance is 46.6%

Compare that to the chance of getting accepting into one of these schools as an in stater, and applying to ONLY that school:

UC Davis 23.50%
North Carolina State 32.20%
Ohio State 40.50%
UPenn 19.60%
University of Wisconsin At Madison 28.80%
Michigan State University 31.90%
University of Minnesota 24.00%
University of Florida 28.00%
Tufts University ?
University of Missouri 44.10%
Louisiana State University 45.20%

So if moving to the city of one of these schools for residency means giving up the chance to apply to all other schools, as I would have to do, it's really only advisable for Louisiana, Missouri, or Ohio. Otherwise, there's a pretty big drop in your chance of acceptance.

Almost certain the NCSU number is wrong for this year. There were 80 OOS spots, 82 were admitted, 191 applicants. That's about a 43% chance.

The percent chance thing is a bad way of looking at it if you ask me though. There are candidates who would more than likely get into all of those schools with their stats, and then there are candidates who wouldn't get into a single school with their stats.

Minnerbelle is right, too. The idea of only applying to one school that you are positing is ridiculous if someone is just trying to get into school not a particular school.

 

[Lupin21]

I am currently in the process of gaining my OK residency for this cycle and in order to be approved, I have to have a full time job for a full year. They don't consider having a house or changing driver's license and such for the process. I am considered out of state until time of acceptance and I have to provide proof of working from Aug 2012 to Aug 2013. They also warned me that it has to be one job, it couldn't be multiple part time jobs. Don't know if it's this way for other schools, but I imagine it's similar. 🙂

 

[Cucullaris]

Ok, so I'll go into details. My fiance is in medical school right now in a city without a vet school nearby. So I'm limited to a vet school near his residency. Because of this my instate school is not an option. I had originally thought that I would apply the same year he applies for residency. However, this isn't ideal because he will find out where he will be in March of that year, and will only have one option, meaning that I will still only have one vet school open to me. Might as well find out where he will be first and then apply while living there, potentially picking up in state tuition. If I don't get in the first time as an out of stater, I can apply the next year as an in stater.

The only way I could apply to multiple schools is if I applied a year before he applied to residencies, but that would mean long distance for a year. There will be kids involved, so I'm not doing that. Maybe I could apply a year early and then get a deferment?

 

[Cucullaris]

Almost certain the NCSU number is wrong for this year. There were 80 OOS spots, 82 were admitted, 191 applicants. That's about a 43% chance.

The percent chance thing is a bad way of looking at it if you ask me though. There are candidates who would more than likely get into all of those schools with their stats, and then there are candidates who wouldn't get into a single school with their stats.

You are probably right. If I have a lower than average GRE and GPA, I might not get into anywhere that has less than a 20% acceptance rate, but I would have a shot at an instate with 40%. My GRE and GPA are pretty high though, so I'm assuming I at least have a shot at the OOS schools. But if we are talking about a truly average applicant, I stand by those calculations.

Do you have a link to those numbers? This is where I got my numbers: http://aavmc.org/College-Specific-R...ific-Requirements_College-Specifications.aspx

 

[2CatMatt]

For many schools, "in-state" is based on whether you will have lived in the state (and worked) for a year by the date of intended matriculation and not the date of application.

 

[Foxhunter]

For many schools, "in-state" is based on whether you will have lived in the state (and worked) for a year by the date of intended matriculation and not the date of application.

I think that works for tuition, but not acceptance.

 

[2CatMatt]

I think that works for tuition, but not acceptance.

It depends on the school. It's definitely possible for VMRCVM, since I'm doing that now. And according to Wisconsin's website (http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/Wisconsin_Residency_Information.33.1.html), in-state admission is offered contingent upon proof of residency at time of registration for the semester. So, as always, it's not always cut and dry. Check with the schools because that year between applying and matriculating is a big difference.