Trying to pull it all off with a felony

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I have a ten year old felony. Amazingly my current career (law) cleared me to sit the bar, but I am still thinking about being one of those types that "double-dips" in both medical and law.

I asked the PharmD and AudD at a few schools if I would be ok, and they said yes as did the state license boards.

Ironicly Nursing said no.

How is it that I am ok to handle perscriptions as a Doctor but not be a nurse?

Anyone know if any other medical fields would take felonies if ten years old?
 
xxx2012 said:
I have a ten year old felony. Amazingly my current career (law) cleared me to sit the bar, but I am still thinking about being one of those types that "double-dips" in both medical and law.

I asked the PharmD and AudD at a few schools if I would be ok, and they said yes as did the state license boards.

Ironicly Nursing said no.

How is it that I am ok to handle perscriptions as a Doctor but not be a nurse?

Anyone know if any other medical fields would take felonies if ten years old?
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I think you should contact medical liecence board and ask them. I was going over eras application and it says if you arrest or felony click yes or no. If yes, you have to explain situation. Isn't there a way you could expunge or seal your record? You should talk to your lawyer.
 
jatt12 said:
I think you should contact medical liecence board and ask them. I was going over eras application and it says if you arrest or felony click yes or no. If yes, you have to explain situation. Isn't there a way you could expunge or seal your record? You should talk to your lawyer.
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heck I am my lawyer, and no it's not expungable.
 
My guess is it would depend on the nature of the felony here, as well. Are we talking tax evasion or DUI hit and run or assault with intent? (Not actually asking for an answer). My guess is anything drug related or violent would pretty much exclude you, but if you already got past bar review there's a decent chance a medical board would have a similar view. They're really the only ones who can give any sort of definitive answer, however.
 
NightGod said:
My guess is it would depend on the nature of the felony here, as well. Are we talking tax evasion or DUI hit and run or assault with intent? (Not actually asking for an answer). My guess is anything drug related or violent would pretty much exclude you, but if you already got past bar review there's a decent chance a medical board would have a similar view. They're really the only ones who can give any sort of definitive answer, however.
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I agree. What were you convicted of? If you were driving 25+ over the limit (felony in some states, right?) you'll probably be ok, but if you're a sex offender you can probably kiss med school goodbye
 
jatt12 said:
I think you should contact medical liecence board and ask them. I was going over eras application and it says if you arrest or felony click yes or no. If yes, you have to explain situation. Isn't there a way you could expunge or seal your record? You should talk to your lawyer.
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A Harvard medical student who can't spell or write??? I love SDN. :laugh:
 
If you can get a license to practice law, chances are you can get a license to practice medicine. That would depend on the crime, however. I can see them forgiving even things like violence or robbery, but I really can't see them looking over something like a violation of control substances or something involving sexual misconduct.
 
It really depends on what the felony was. You know what it was, I am sure you can make an educated guess as to whether it is "too bad" or acceptable
 
TriagePreMed said:
If you can get a license to practice law, chances are you can get a license to practice medicine. That would depend on the crime, however. I can see them forgiving even things like violence or robbery, but I really can't see them looking over something like a violation of control substances or something involving sexual misconduct.
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Law students take the bar after graduating from law school though, right? So his situation might not be identical if he committed his felony during or after law school compared to before. he has to get into med school before he can even try to get licensed.
 
jatt12 said:
I think you should contact medical liecence board and ask them. I was going over eras application and it says if you arrest or felony click yes or no. If yes, you have to explain situation. Isn't there a way you could expunge or seal your record? You should talk to your lawyer.
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I like the part where you told a lawyer to talk to his lawyer.
 
A law student can manage his own legal research.

+1
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I did contact some of the board (PharmD and AudD and DC so far) They all seem ok with it as do the schools (which is awsome)

What is a mental block for me is why I can handle prescription drugs and be in charge of nurses but nurse school and license boards (and the dinky stuff under it like CNA) all told me no to any type of felony in lifetime no exceptions.

Seems on it's head to me. Anyone able to explain how that works and why?
 
xxx2012 said:
Anyone able to explain how that works and why?
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The difference is that an MD/PharmD can supply their own habit.

Nurses can't; they have to divert drugs from their patients in order to get their high
 
xxx2012 said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I did contact some of the board (PharmD and AudD and DC so far) They all seem ok with it as do the schools (which is awsome)

What is a mental block for me is why I can handle prescription drugs and be in charge of nurses but nurse school and license boards (and the dinky stuff under it like CNA) all told me no to any type of felony in lifetime no exceptions.

Seems on it's head to me. Anyone able to explain how that works and why?
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If you were a pre-law student you would probably get the same answer from the Bar exam people too. It's different because you have already gone through the schooling.


Laboratorian said:
The difference is that an MD/PharmD can supply their own habit.

Nurses can't; they have to divert drugs from their patients in order to get their high
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😕 I think you missed the point.
 
I remember reading some time ago that nursing licensing boards will disqualify an applicant due to a felony or any other crime which involved moral turpitude. The way I read it, it implied that all felonies involve moral turpitude, which I believe may not always be the case.

I wonder if the difference between pharm, law and nursing has to due with the strata of social status / financial power / number of applicants to each field. Are you currently considering Nursing?
 
I am an EMT and was always taught that a felony would end my career. I'm surprised that an EMT with a felony could simply be a doctor and be in charge of EMTs.
 
MT Headed said:
I am an EMT and was always taught that a felony would end my career. I'm surprised that an EMT with a felony could simply be a doctor and be in charge of EMTs.
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That is what gets to me to.

I was in the Military Reserves for a bit (waivor for the felony but couldn't go active)
I did a lot of MFR training (medical first responder) which involved some EMT aspects to it (military has a different standard than civilian for virtually everything) but found it odd that if I wanted to do the same job civilian I couldn't, but I was allowed to do it while a loaded firearm on my hip if in ACU's.........whatev. I guess huh.
 
It's not the loaded firearm on your hip that makes them comfortable with it, its the loaded firearm on everyone else's 😉
 
MedPR said:
Like a med student can diagnose themself?

Ps. I like how you +1'ed yourself.
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That is not an accurate comparison.

Telling a lawyer to consult a lawyer for legal advice is like telling a pharmacist to consult a pharmacist about drug interactions. They can do it for themselves because, unlike self diagnosis, facts are facts and there are no variables.
 
Poetic Silence said:
That is not an accurate comparison.

Telling a lawyer to consult a lawyer for legal advice is like telling a pharmacist to consult a pharmacist about drug interactions. They can do it for themselves because, unlike self diagnosis, facts are facts and there are no variables.
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I emphatically disagree. If anything, I think "facts are facts" applies even less to law than medicine. Furthermore, law students are very much like med students - knowing a little about broad swaths of knowledge. Attorneys specialize in law and they in fact consult each other all the time.

Same for almost every profession, to be honest; including pharmacy. You specialize and then even subspecialize....knowing more and more about less and less...until one day you know everything about nothing. 😉
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I've got no expertise in this area, but my naive self would have some other concerns:

1) Students in any of these professional programs must be able to work in a hospital. It is possible, for instance, to be accepted to med school but then "fail" the background check for the affiliated hospital. In that case, you cannot actually complete the program of education. (I'm positive this can happen where I'm enrolled)

2) I don't know if it's a legit concern, but what could happen if licensing or the standards of hospital regulations are changed in the future? Could you end up midstream in your education only to find out you're no longer eligible for licensing? Could you end up licensed but prohibited from employment by the hospitals themselves (a real problem in certain fields)?
 
pietachok said:
I've got no expertise in this area, but my naive self would have some other concerns:

1) Students in any of these professional programs must be able to work in a hospital. It is possible, for instance, to be accepted to med school but then "fail" the background check for the affiliated hospital. In that case, you cannot actually complete the program of education. (I'm positive this can happen where I'm enrolled)

2) I don't know if it's a legit concern, but what could happen if licensing or the standards of hospital regulations are changed in the future? Could you end up midstream in your education only to find out you're no longer eligible for licensing? Could you end up licensed but prohibited from employment by the hospitals themselves (a real problem in certain fields)?
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I believe UOM and a few others have their own training hospitals, but it is a valid concern to look into before making a choice to go or not.

As for chances mid way, normally one can claim to be "grand fathered" in the way you see lawyers now days who are as old as dirt but never got a JD, or truckers with only an Operators for the same reason. I could see one having to see to get it approved, but the student would probably win such a suit.
 
xxx2012 said:
I believe UOM and a few others have their own training hospitals, but it is a valid concern to look into before making a choice to go or not.

As for chances mid way, normally one can claim to be "grand fathered" in the way you see lawyers now days who are as old as dirt but never got a JD, or truckers with only an Operators for the same reason. I could see one having to see to get it approved, but the student would probably win such a suit.
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I understand about grandfathering, but...
I wouldn't expect to be grandfathered into the system if I weren't licensed before they changed regulations--like if they changed while I were still in med school.

Similarly, I think it would only take one publicized major scandal for hospitals in a region to change their background check req's...& what would happen if you were only in your residency when that happened.
 
pietachok said:
I understand about grandfathering, but...
I wouldn't expect to be grandfathered into the system if I weren't licensed before they changed regulations--like if they changed while I were still in med school.

Similarly, I think it would only take one publicized major scandal for hospitals in a region to change their background check req's...& what would happen if you were only in your residency when that happened.
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Yeah, at a minimum it would equal a refund to avoid said major scandal (lawyer tricks) but honestly I doubt they'd let you in if they were going to renig on you like that.

In the end, one has to either stay on the porch or get off it though. To each their own. All life is a risk.
 
xxx2012 said:
Yeah, at a minimum it would equal a refund to avoid said major scandal (lawyer tricks) but honestly I doubt they'd let you in if they were going to renig on you like that. .
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Not to belabor this thread, but I didn't mean a scandal with the original poster. I meant something unrelated that caused hospitals to change their background check requirements. If they made req's more anti-felony while he were in school or residency, he'd find himself potentially unemployable...which is a problem if he's in a field like ER where you can't establish a private practice.
 
pietachok said:
Not to belabor this thread, but I didn't mean a scandal with the original poster. I meant something unrelated that caused hospitals to change their background check requirements. If they made req's more anti-felony while he were in school or residency, he'd find himself potentially unemployable...which is a problem if he's in a field like ER where you can't establish a private practice.
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An ER doc can open his own urgent care clinic.
 
decent point. Worth making sure not to pick a field that you have to work under others I suppose. Urgent Care would need experience before going solo, some other fields (DC,AudD,PharmD, need a lot less than brain surgeon I'm sure)
 
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