Twin psychology

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So I'm a monozygotic, and I did one of my undergrad majors in psychology. I've always felt like multiples deserved a separate branch of psychology, since it seems like so many things about being a twin (or higher order multiple) are very different from the singleton experience.

Even our identities are formed differently than singletons. Yet the only significance we have in psychology (it seems) is in studies where statistics are calculated in an attempt to determine causation and other relationships. How can you compare psychiatric disorders between singletons and twins?

What do you guys think? (I'm still pre-med, by the way.)
 
There are studies being conducted now in the realm of schizphrenia looking at twins - with any sibling actually. Im the big schizophrenic person - but I'm sure others can add a ton of other studies being done with twins
 
i agree with you about twins being unique, i always joke around that if i could be a "twin" doctor, i would be. i am not too sure what is being done out there in terms of twin psychology, and how twin brains develop etc, but there must be something going on...

i hope to look into it. i know that there is a lot of fascination and some research done on twins separated at birth, then seeing if their lives parallel etc. have you seen any of those documentaries over the years? (ie:both twins are firemen, marry another set of sisters, meet at a convention, notice they look exactly alike,blah blah--very weird/cool)

i will ask around now that i am starting the psychiatry part of my intern year.
 
Poety said:
There are studies being conducted now in the realm of schizphrenia looking at twins - with any sibling actually. Im the big schizophrenic person - but I'm sure others can add a ton of other studies being done with twins

I've seen a lot of the schizophrenia studies about twins, but most of them are just looking at the genetic component, if I understand them correctly. I was just trying to say that there is more to twin psychology than simply looking at how diseases are genetic vs. environmental, etc. I was talking about how we differ from people who are singletons (is there a better word than "singleton?" It seems kind of negative. . . ) We don't even have our own identities, because we are always part of a set. I think it's extremely interesting, and with the incidence of multiple births on the rise, it's very relevant too.
 
tangents said:
i agree with you about twins being unique, i always joke around that if i could be a "twin" doctor, i would be. i am not too sure what is being done out there in terms of twin psychology, and how twin brains develop etc, but there must be something going on...

i hope to look into it. i know that there is a lot of fascination and some research done on twins separated at birth, then seeing if their lives parallel etc. have you seen any of those documentaries over the years? (ie:both twins are firemen, marry another set of sisters, meet at a convention, notice they look exactly alike,blah blah--very weird/cool)

i will ask around now that i am starting the psychiatry part of my intern year.

I'm biased, of course, but I do feel like I have a unique perspective on the world sometimes. And I have read about the classic separation stories, actually I try to read everything I can get my hands on about twins. Have you read any of Nancy Segal's books? I like them a lot.
 
leorl said:
off topic, but I'm a twin too. I love the question "so how's it feel being a twin?" to which I respond "well i can't tell you cuz I've never not been one..."

I get really bothered when people make a big deal out of your being a twin. I mean, I guess it's out of the ordinary for most people, but you can get stereotyped really quickly, and it's so narrow-minded of the general public to stereotype us. Maybe twins are studied so much in psychology/psychiatry because the general public treats us like freaks so much that we start to become neurotic. 😛
 
Mustangsally, I'm sorry that you feel stereotyped. I don't think people know how they are making twins feel when they ask all of the ususal "twin" questions. I am not a twin, but I do find them facinating, especially monozygotic twins. I guess It could be the bond that you all share that is unique. Please don't take offence to all of the questions, as I'm sure you don't. People, like myself, are curious about the unknown, and if your not a twin, it is the unknown. Sorry off of the topic. 😳
 
pschmom1 said:
Mustangsally, I'm sorry that you feel stereotyped. I don't think people know how they are making twins feel when they ask all of the ususal "twin" questions. I am not a twin, but I do find them facinating, especially monozygotic twins. I guess It could be the bond that you all share that is unique. Please don't take offence to all of the questions, as I'm sure you don't. People, like myself, are curious about the unknown, and if your not a twin, it is the unknown. Sorry off of the topic. 😳

Oops. I didn't mean to come off negatively. I love being a twin, and I don't mind questions etc. I know people don't realize what they're saying. It reminds me how special it is to be a twin when people take an interest.

And it's not off topic! I love talking about twinship. Usually people don't want to hear it because they think you are bragging. It's nice to know that some people are just genuinely interested.
 
i think the fascination with twins lies partly in the fact that for an outsider, it might appear as a twin, one would always have someone who understood them 100% completely.

i will look into those books...sounds good.
 
tangents said:
i think the fascination with twins lies partly in the fact that for an outsider, it might appear as a twin, one would always have someone who understood them 100% completely. i will look into those books...sounds good.

I do understand this. It is a common idea associated with twins, and I think it can be true in the majority of cases. But then again, when you get older and get your driver's license and start spending time away from your twin, then it can feel like you've been abandoned or replaced when your sister spends all her time with other friends and takes your special relationship for granted. When you're that close to someone it's also really hard when they get married, and find someone else to to fill that special place. It's never the same once you don't share a room anymore.

But yeah, I'm so grateful I was able to experience that kind of relationship while I was growing up. It's one-of-a-kind and you don't realize how good it is until it's gone sometimes. My sis and I are still really close, but she lives 6 hours away so it's hard to stay in touch like we used to.

I don't know if you guys watch "Ghost Whisperer," but I saw the episode that was on Friday night, and it was about a twin who had died and she hadn't crossed over and was hanging around her twin who was still alive, and a lot of things in that show were really true. Things like "I'll never be that close to someone again" are quotes that really get to you. I've read about twin loss and it's a powerful thing. I think sometimes grief counselors don't give it enough attention, because it's so much different than any other kind of loss.

Just Google "twinless twin" and you'll see what I mean. There are tons of twin support groups out there and if you read some of the stories you will live in fear of the day you and your twin are separated. 🙁
 
Your ok Mustang, I didn't think you came off negative. I have a very best friend, whom obviously is not my twin, but whom I feel very close to and conected to and she has just met a guy about 3 weeks ago who is practically living w/her and her daughter (yeah, crazy) and I feel a little pushed aside. We are both moms so we would talk on the phone a lot and our night would be mondays and we would even have a few drinks together while we were on the phone (better than a babysitter while we go out). Anyways, she is so wrapped up in her man right now and I feel a little jealous. I'm happy for her happiness, but she's been dating him for 2.5 weeks and I am non existant. But I guess thats what happens when you meet a new guy I guess 🙄 .
 
Hi Mustang,

Sorry I thought you were implying genetic studies - you're right, I don't know of any either that are focused on the psychology but its fascinating stuff. I saw a show once where they had twins that were separated at birth that felt eachothers pain even though they didn't know they were twins. When they reunited years later, they found out the pain coincided to childbirth and surgery - it was really interesting.

I think people are fascinated by twins because they're so unique and they seem to have special abilities with regard to communication with eachother and what not - its really amazing to learn about, especially when you're a singleton like me 🙂 I wanted twins so bad!! haha

Anyway, great thread, I'm glad you started this!

Also, I have cousins that were born twins, one passed away from an aneurysm when we were all 18, his brother has never gotten over this - would you have any insight into what this loss may be like? Is it akin to losing say - a husband/wife/mother - or worse? He says he can't describe it, but that half of him is gone - I'm wondering if thats a common phenomena.
 
pschmom1 said:
I have a very best friend, whom obviously is not my twin, but whom I feel very close to and conected to and she has just met a guy about 3 weeks ago who is practically living w/her and her daughter (yeah, crazy) and I feel a little pushed aside.

Sorry to hear about that, pschmom1! Especially after only 3 weeks! That's really fast, at least for me. 😉 Emotions and hormones can really cloud your judgment sometimes, though. Maybe because you and her are close you could suggest that it might not be a good example for her child to see her living with someone she just barely met? Best friends usually won't take that kind of statement in a defensive manner, but then again, who knows? She might, and that would be awful. But I know where you're coming from. Good luck with things getting back to normal soon! :luck:
 
Poety said:
Also, I have cousins that were born twins, one passed away from an aneurysm when we were all 18, his brother has never gotten over this - would you have any insight into what this loss may be like? Is it akin to losing say - a husband/wife/mother - or worse? He says he can't describe it, but that half of him is gone - I'm wondering if thats a common phenomena.

I did a research paper in my Psych senior seminar class in undergrad about twin loss, and a lot of the stuff I read really made sense to me. One example stated that the death of an identical twin is even more devastating than losing a spouse or child, and one of the "scientific" reasons cited was that you share 100% of your genes. So from an evolutionary point of view, it's like you have died yourself, since the ultimate goal in life is to pass on your genes to the next generation. If you lose a sibling, parent, spouse etc. you don't share 100% of your genes, so supposedly it's not as traumatic. But we all know that isn't always true. Also I think, we usually have a history apart from or before we met our spouse, children, parents etc. You grow up and go to college and don't see your parents every day. You fight with your siblings and then leave home and don't see them. Even though you may spend 60 years with your spouse, there was that important period before you met when you were growing and developing and finding out who you were. With twins, it's different than regular siblings because not only are you together practically from conception, but you are in the same grade at school, you usually share a bedroom, you hang out together etc. You also are taught to think you belong together, and that you are a member of a pair, not just an individual. It's a completely different identity, so when that other person dies, it's a huge change.

And in society, the kind of myth surrounding twins tends to make fraternal twins feel the same way, like they have lost a part of themselves if the cotwin dies, even though they only share about 50% of their genes. It's an interesting theory, but I tend to believe a bit more in the in utero connection. I read some stories about people who had lost a twin soon before birth, at birth, or shortly after birth into the first few years of life. Some who had not been told of their sibling's death still had feelings that something was missing. Gestation is an important time of development, and sharing that environment creates a huge bond, in my opinion.

I think society delights and marvels at twins, but when something happens that separates them, no one wants to hear about it because it's usually unbelievably sad. That's why there haven't been a lot of studies done on twin loss and twin grieving. But I think it's desperately needed, and I've thought about going into that field myself (I'm pre-med). As you have witnessed, the death of a twin at any ages is difficult, but I can't imagine losing your twin at 18, when you had grown up together and your lives were just beginning. 🙁 That is very, very sad.

This is a great discussion. Keep it coming!
 
Thanks for that response Mustang. Very interesting to say the least. I tend to agree with you about the bond in utero - perhaps a study on quads would help - do they too feel this closeness? Is there a difference between frat or mat twins? If they are conceived via in vitro is there any difference - would all be interesting to look at. 🙂
 
Mustang, I can't talk to my friend about this as she thinks he is the best next thing to sliced bread. There have already been some discrepancies as my fiance thinks he recognises him (he's a police officer) so that would not be in a good way. This example has been set for her by her mother (as far as bringing males into the house to live very soon, and she is a MSW at that,,, Go Figure 😱 ) and this is not the first time she has had a man in her house since her ex-husband. She's already started the talk about quiting her job and going to school full time b/c he would like that (mind you he is layed off b/c he does construction). Anyways, off topic, i can't relate to a twin experience, I just know that she is closer to me than my own sister and I love her, and I feel like things are a little crazy. She is working on her PhD in psychology and I feel like she has abandoned several goals she has set for herself (like a man w/an education). But anyways, back to topic, I have watched a lot of shows reguarding twins, and like I said before I am very interested in them. Like Poety said, I am interested if there is a bond shared with quads or more for that mater. I wonder if septuplets have certian siblings that they bond with more from early childhood and why. I wonder how genetics plays a role when you have that many siblings and what bonds arise and why. I still think that monozygotic twins may have a closer bond, but hey, what do I know.
 
pschmom1 said:
But anyways, back to topic, I have watched a lot of shows reguarding twins, and like I said before I am very interested in them. Like Poety said, I am interested if there is a bond shared with quads or more for that mater. I wonder if septuplets have certian siblings that they bond with more from early childhood and why. I wonder how genetics plays a role when you have that many siblings and what bonds arise and why. I still think that monozygotic twins may have a closer bond, but hey, what do I know.

The thing is, what do any of us know? It's hard to prove scientifically that bonds exist, and even psychology isn't considered a hard science by a lot of people. I think most people would agree that there is often something going on between twins, triplets, and other multiples that we can't explain, but no one wants to venture into suggesting paranormal activity or anything.

I have always believed that some of this bond comes from the belief that you are different and special, because society treats us that way. We are kind of like freaks (in a good way!), and people want to know everything about multiples. We learn early on that we get stared at a lot, and people envy us while sometimes growing up we just want to be normal and we envy singletons. It's a very strange psychological state of mind!

In one of Stephen King's books there is a town where everyone has a twin. I think they're usually boy/girl twins, (it's been a few years!) but in that town singletons are rare and are envied. It's called "Wolves of the Calla," and it's part of the Dark Tower series. I won't spoil the plot or anything, but it kind of made me think. it's book 5 in a series of 7, so don't jump in and read it without reading the other ones, but it's a unique way to look at twinship.

I think as fertility drugs become more common and women wait until their 30s and 40s to have children, multiples may lose some of their novelty. I think I read somewhere that 1 in 100 births is a multiple birth, which is just astounding to think about. We're not really as rare as society thinks we are!

I love this discussion, keep it going!
 
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