Types of medical degrees overseas?

[manta]

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Hi! I'm doing a project that involves collecting a census of medical personnel at various sites in Africa. The form I was given to use lists Diploma, Bachelors, Masters, and Doctoral degrees in Medicine as possibilites. Being from the States were medical doctor = MD/DO, I'm a little confused. I did a quick search and did find a Bachelor of Medicine degree being offered at a number of European and Australian medical schools, and I'm not sure what this exactly means. Is this the equivalent to an MD? What medical degrees are offered at European institutions, and what is the time frame for obtaining these degrees?

Thanks a bunch! 🙂

 

[leorl]

In European/Australian universities, the MBBS (bachelor of medicine, bachelor of science) or the BMBChBAO (bachelor of medicine, bachelor of surgery, bachelor of obstetrics) is awarded. Both are equivalent to the US M.D. However, it can get confusing because an MD is awarded (in the UK) as a post-graduate research degree to medical graduates, sort of like a PhD for doctors.

 

[leorl]

Oh. Time frame can be anywhere from 4 years (fast track or graduate entry programs), 5 years (shortened curriculum or graduate entry programs), or 6 years.

 

[manta]

Oh. Time frame can be anywhere from 4 years (fast track or graduate entry programs), 5 years (shortened curriculum or graduate entry programs), or 6 years.

Thank you so much, leorl! This helps a lot. 🙂

 

[tlew12778]

I'm confused...

a project that involves collecting a census of medical personnel at various sites in Africa

does that mean you want information related to Africa?

Anyway, in Italy, grads in medicine are awared the Bachelors in Medicine and Surgery. They are MDs. Med school lasts 6 years. They then go on to do btwn 3-6 years of specialisation (residency).

 

[BellKicker]

Denmark and Norway: Candidatus MEdicinae
Sweden: Lekareexamen (sp?)
France: Docteur Mediceine (sp?)
Germany: Doctor Medicus

Most "old" countries have their own title but it's my impression that "new" countries (former colonies?) tend to fall into either MBBS or MD.

It's all the same anyway and I think we'll all be called MDs in 25 years, anyway.

 

[neilc]

czech doctors get an MUDr (medical universitae doctor, or some such nonsense)

 

[BellKicker]

It,s okay. I'm a mudder. 🙂

 

[13538]

It's all the same anyway and I think we'll all be called MDs in 25 years, anyway.

I sincerely hope not! I'll be proud to graduate MB, BCh, BAO...those have been the medical qualifications of the University of Dublin (Trinity College) for almost 300 years...!

 

[BellKicker]

Hmm, we probably have a few hundred years on your school over here. In fact, we supposedly have the longest medical training program in the world. I will still call myself MD when talking to anyone remotely international but I don't think it means I'm less proud of me degree.

It just doesn't make sense with so many titles in today's world. The quaint old latin names are fine and good for graduation day but when we publish or communicate across borders, it would make more sense if we were all MDs.

 

[Kev (UK)]

I will still call myself MD when talking to anyone remotely international

Hopefully you will not in the UK as an MD indicates you have a postgraduate research degree in medicine so you may be misconstrued as being fraudulent 😉

 

[BellKicker]

Hey, that's just one more reason. (And when I get caught, I'll plead ignorance 😉 )

 

[manta]

yes, but many physicians here were trained in Europe, and some African medical schools have adopted the same course of training. i had no idea that there were all kinds of different varieties of medical doctor. this helps clarify things a lot!! 🙂

I'm confused...



does that mean you want information related to Africa?

Anyway, in Italy, grads in medicine are awared the Bachelors in Medicine and Surgery. They are MDs. Med school lasts 6 years. They then go on to do btwn 3-6 years of specialisation (residency).

 

[GABA]

Germany: Doctor Medicus

Doctor Medicus = Dr. med.
Medical school lasts 6 years. You can only call yourself a Dr. med., if you have done a doctorate during med school, which is not necessary to become a doctor, but very common.

 

[arye]

Doctor Medicus = Dr. med.
Medical school lasts 6 years. You can only call yourself a Dr. med., if you have done a doctorate during med school, which is not necessary to become a doctor, but very common.

that is not really true. a dr.med. ist not comparable to a real doctorate or phd.
a real phd lasts like 3 years and is full time research. a dr.med. is not.

 

[Neuropathia]

that is not really true. a dr.med. ist not comparable to a real doctorate or phd.
a real phd lasts like 3 years and is full time research. a dr.med. is not.

mmhh maybe to clarify things here
in germany after 6 years of med school you're a physician ('doctor').
if you do an additional thesis (either through research, statistical analysis or clinical researc) your awared the Dr. med. You can do this either during your time or after you've finished med school.
It's not equivalent to a PhD in most cases. But in some cases you do full time research for quite some time too. 👍

 

[Jackofknives]

The research title is spelled DMSc (dr.med.), not just MD or DM. so no confussion there.

Personally I think Phd is of much higher standard than dr.med. bc the education makes you more qualified for research. for one, you get to take many more courses and learn tons of methods which will become handy later on. Not saying that you can't do the same for a dr.med. degree but there is less incentive to do so and I'm not sure the fees are paid by your grant.

 

[EuroOMFS]

The research title is spelled DMSc (dr.med.), not just MD or DM. so no confussion there.

Personally I think Phd is of much higher standard than dr.med. bc the education makes you more qualified for research. for one, you get to take many more courses and learn tons of methods which will become handy later on. Not saying that you can't do the same for a dr.med. degree but there is less incentive to do so and I'm not sure the fees are paid by your grant.

Just to add to the confusion, the Scandinavian countries have a "dr.med" research degree that is actually higher than a PhD.

So, to do a PhD you publish 3 scientific papers and to 3 years of full time resaech, whereas for a Dr.med you do 5 years research and publish 4-5 papers.

 

[parasiteatwork]

romania -- MD