typical Medical School GPA for residencies

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I know USMLE scores play a huge role in getting into a competitive residency but I was wondering what kind of med school GPA is usually "competitive" for residencies like radiology, cardiology, general surgery, emergency medicine...any insights would be greatly appreciated.
 
Given the number of schools that have P/NP systems and the inconsistent grading between different medical schools, it is quite difficult to compare grade averages between residency applicants and thus GPA is probably pretty low down on the list of things you'll be evaluated for when applying. Cardiology, btw, is not a residency.
 
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I know USMLE scores play a huge role in getting into a competitive residency but I was wondering what kind of med school GPA is usually "competitive" for residencies like radiology, cardiology, general surgery, emergency medicine...any insights would be greatly appreciated.

as someone else mentioned, cardiology isn't a residency. it's a fellowship following an internal medicine residency, so your performance in that residency would be the most important factor.

as far as "gpa," again other posters have mentioned this doesn't really exist given the wide range of grading systems. all schools do rank their students, though - even the pass/fail schools have a behind the scenes ranking system, but many just rank into segments (i.e. top quarter, top half, bottom quarter, etc.)

boards scores and rec letters are the most important factors, and then interviews (if the boards/letters are good enough to get you an interview)
 
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I know USMLE scores play a huge role in getting into a competitive residency but I was wondering what kind of med school GPA is usually "competitive" for residencies like radiology, cardiology, general surgery, emergency medicine...any insights would be greatly appreciated.

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I know USMLE scores play a huge role in getting into a competitive residency but I was wondering what kind of med school GPA is usually "competitive" for residencies like radiology, cardiology, general surgery, emergency medicine...any insights would be greatly appreciated.

GPA will play no role in an IM subspecialty.

Grades will generally help out only in so much as they assist you in USMLE preparation or by defining your AOA eligibility. If your school gives you a quantitative grade point average, it is only for your own edification and/or to compare you to your classmates. A low grade might bring about a question in a residency program interview, but you can silence your critics with an awesome USMLE.
 
I know USMLE scores play a huge role in getting into a competitive residency but I was wondering what kind of med school GPA is usually "competitive" for residencies like radiology, cardiology, general surgery, emergency medicine...any insights would be greatly appreciated.

GPA (especially those in the basic sci years) is fairly low on the criteria of what will get you a residency - this is not the factor that will carry the day. Forget what was important in undergrad -- those days are over. A decent step 1 score and good LORs and rotation evaluations will get you into many of these. As others have said, most schools have different formulations of P/F type grades, and some have no grades in the basic science years, so GPA is impossible to compare for schools anyhow. Class rank is thus more important but only marginally so. The point of doing well in the first two years is because that same material will appear on Step 1, and will be less to review.
Research can perhaps help too. IM (cardiology), EM and gen surgery are not usually described as as competitive as radiology, which is the only one in that list you would traditionally label as "competitive". (It is one of the "ROAD" specialties), although surgery has become more popular of late, perhaps related to the passage of the 80 hour limit.
Best to get into med school, do your best, whatever that is, and see what you enjoy. In third year, you need to decide -- do you want to do surgery or nonsurgery, adults or kids, hands on with patients or not. There are various decision trees, and they are not necessarilly as much stat driven as driven by what you are interested in. Most of the people who don't go into things like surgery do so because they don't want to do surgery, not because they don't have the numbers.
 
thanks for being redundant. I got that the first time someone said it.

If you check the times of the post, you would realize the comments on Cardiology as a subspecialty were within minutes of each other. The magic of "the internets" makes it plausible that the second responder did not see the first response prior to clicking reply. Settle down. And welcome to SDN.
 
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For someone asking for advice, you sure are testy!

That tells me that he or she will be a great med student. To confirm this, could you try to correct the pediatric oncologist that is leading your discussion group?
 
GPA (especially those in the basic sci years) is fairly low on the criteria of what will get you a residency - this is not the factor that will carry the day. Forget what was important in undergrad -- those days are over. A decent step 1 score and good LORs and rotation evaluations will get you into many of these. As others have said, most schools have different formulations of P/F type grades, and some have no grades in the basic science years, so GPA is impossible to compare for schools anyhow. Class rank is thus more important but only marginally so. The point of doing well in the first two years is because that same material will appear on Step 1, and will be less to review.
Research can perhaps help too. IM (cardiology), EM and gen surgery are not usually described as as competitive as radiology, which is the only one in that list you would traditionally label as "competitive". (It is one of the "ROAD" specialties), although surgery has become more popular of late, perhaps related to the passage of the 80 hour limit.
Best to get into med school, do your best, whatever that is, and see what you enjoy. In third year, you need to decide -- do you want to do surgery or nonsurgery, adults or kids, hands on with patients or not. There are various decision trees, and they are not necessarilly as much stat driven as driven by what you are interested in. Most of the people who don't go into things like surgery do so because they don't want to do surgery, not because they don't have the numbers.

As Law2doc mentioned, grades and class rank in the pre-clinical years are typically among the least important items on the ERAS application. That being said, you need to pass everything. Failing a course or the year is going to require explanation. Course work in the clinical years is much more important. Naturally, you would like to Honor in the area you want to specialize in (anesthesia, radiology whatever). For most fields, good grades in internal medicine and surgery are considered important.

Step 1 scores are crucial.

Then there is everything else, leadership positions, research and publications etc (the icing on the cake).
 
I know USMLE scores play a huge role in getting into a competitive residency but I was wondering what kind of med school GPA is usually "competitive" for residencies like radiology, cardiology, general surgery, emergency medicine...any insights would be greatly appreciated.

As people have said before, there isn't really any such thing as a med school GPA anymore, since so many schools are H/P/F (or some variation). Some schools don't even have a formal class rank - on your deans letter (which will be used when applying for residency), they will say that you were "top 10%, top quarter, top third," something like that.

Just do your best, and you'll be fine.
 
RxNman, that file has a lot of great information, ive been trying to find something that contains all that info, good job!
 
Glad to help. The AAMC went to a lot of effort to put that article out, so use it well, especially in planning out your time in med school. Note that there are some inconsistencies:

- contiguous ROL length is measured in this article using the first specialty in the ROL. For example, if you ranked one EM program #1, and some peds programs for #2-10, then your ROL would be one. This probably deflates the value.
- 'publications' is used loosely to describe posters, abstracts, and full-length peer-reviewed articles. This inflates the number.

But nonetheless it's very helpful in figuring out what 'competitive' means.

By the way, the selection criteria article is "Orthopaedic Resident-Selection Criteria," by Adam D. Bernstein, Laith M. Jazrawi, Basil Elbeshbeshy, Craig J. DellaValle, and Joseph D. Zuckerman, and can be found here, but you need your access to JBJS to read it.
 
As Law2doc mentioned, grades and class rank in the pre-clinical years are typically among the least important items on the ERAS application. That being said, you need to pass everything. Failing a course or the year is going to require explanation. Course work in the clinical years is much more important. Naturally, you would like to Honor in the area you want to specialize in (anesthesia, radiology whatever). For most fields, good grades in internal medicine and surgery are considered important.

Step 1 scores are crucial.

Then there is everything else, leadership positions, research and publications etc (the icing on the cake).


As an addenum to everything else mentioned on this thread, it greatly depends on what specialty you want to match into. If you wanna do derm, grades will matter in the sense that they influence class rank, and only the top of the top (usually) get into derm, rad, ortho, etc. (btw, what's the A in ROAD?). For everything else, they pretty much don't matter. Also as far as board scores go, specialties like OB, FP, IM, maybe even ER don't care what you get, as long as you pass. And even then, depends on the program. Surg, Uro, and others are notorious for caring about scores, even though they're more and more meaningless. Basically getting good grades in rotations and letters are the name of the game. If you wanna go into a medicine specialty, get an H (or A) in IM. If you wanna go into a surgery specialty, do well in Surg.
And whatever you do, don't turn into some dingus gunner who shoots for A's in everything, cries at the thought of a B, and tells everyone how their so smart. Because in the end, it doesn't matter. LOR's and rotations rule the day.