UC Berkeley vs. SCCO

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Hi guys!

I'm was fortunate enough to be accepted to UC Berkeley and SCCO...but now I have trouble deciding between the two. I was just wondering, if you personally had the choice between the two, where would you go, and why?

I would really appreciate your feedback. Thanks!

Ps. I got a 10K scholarship to UC Berkeley for my first year. Tuition at Berkeley is ~20K and at SCCO ~30K.
 
Berkeley.

They are GIVING you money
It seems to be the less expensive school either way


Both have great programs
Both in nice cities

But go with what your gut told you when you were there. I've never visited Berkeley campus but I've heard good things.
 
I went to Berkeley for undergrad. I would go to Berkeley. They are giving you free money!

Try to live on the north side if you can afford it. The aesthetics on the north side are better, the restaurants are better, and there are more families that live on the north side so there are fewer apartments and more homes. Although you can still find apartments on the north side. My rent on the north side was $600/mo (including my share of electricity/trash/water/internet) for a room with 4 other people and we shared a very nice house on the north side that was maybe 7 years old and was very nice. It was maybe 2 blocks from the campus.

Plus, the campus is huge and you'll find that the academic atmosphere is rewarding. I always found it great when famous people would speak at Zellerbach auditorium. There's always an interesting talk going at Berkeley. Will a US President ever visit SCCO? I doubt it.

The college of optometry is the original building where they did the research that went into the first atomic bomb. So the campus has a lot of history. And near the optometry building is the music hall where many famous musicians will come by to play (smaller, more intimate acts). Also, the Greek Theatre hosts many music concerts for larger musicians.

It's only a short drive to San Francisco for shopping/theater/entertainment. And one hour away from San Jose for more shopping. And minutes away from Emeryville where there is a small shopping center/movie multiplex. Also within Berkeley is high end shopping area known as "4th Street" as well as college ave which contains other high end restaurants and shops. Berkeley is within a few miles of many top resaurants like Chez Panisse and Le Cheval (both Michelin-rated) (in Oakland) and across from the campus is Le Petit Cheval (the sister restaurant).

Oh yeah, and they have a good optometry program. I forgot about that part.

I shook Bill Clinton's hand while at Berkeley. I was completely speechless and stood about 10 feet away from him while he signed my book.

Also, you can take Bart (the metro rail system) directly to two international airports. Bart will take you into downtown Oakland and San Francisco (and SFO airport) without a problem.

Things I don't like about Berkeley:
UC = Under Construction. It may not bother you to constantly see the campus being constantly worked on. But as someone who enjoys history, I hated seeing lots of the old building materials destroyed and replaced with new things as they retrofitted the buildings. Some of the old buildings don't look quite right next to absolutely new buildings. The architecture doesn't match right. I don't think they'll be making any changes to the optometry building any time soon. I remember when they put strips of rubber on top of marble steps as a safety precaution because kids would slip on the marble when it got wet. I was hoping they would etch designs into the marble to increase the frictional coefficient while maintaining the aesthetics of marble. They also replaced a huge strip of walkway of old stone with brand new red bricks and I wasn't too happy with that. Sorry, but I'm just old fashioned.

As you can see, there's not much to complain about Berkeley.

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Things I don't like about SCCO:
The city of Fullerton doesn't seem like a college town. I expected more restaurants.

Also, they name their buildings "Building A" and "Building B." There's something nostalgic about going to a building named after great minds.

Things I like about SCCO:

Nice campus.
 
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There's something nostalgic about going to a building named after great minds.

You mean "great money"? 🙄

To the OP: I'd choose UCBSO. IMHO, it seems to be a more sound financial and academic decision.

Some of the points I'd consider if I were trying to decide between those two:

  • SCCO has had some recent trouble with their board rates. I'm sure others could elaborate better about the specific changes they're making to fix this.
  • I don't know what the deal is with the rumors of UCB's "research oriented" focus or how true that is, but its worth mentioning if it is true
  • Consider how you feel about having a campus that includes an undergrad (some may love this "community" feel, others may not).
  • Figure out estimates of the finanical difference between the two, including cost of living
  • Think about which area you'd prefer to live in for 4 years
  • WU is also in the SCCO area, and this may end up affecting your clinical experience (but I'm just venturing a guess here)
There's much more that could be mentioned, but that's all I've got for now. Congrats on being accepted to those two great programs & good luck making a decision!
 
  • I don't know what the deal is with the rumors of UCB's "research oriented" focus or how true that is, but its worth mentioning if it is

This is not true. At the fall optometry conference, they wanted to make it clear that although UCB itself pumps out a lot of research(ers), the optometry program itself does not require interns to do research.
 
accept ucbso!

and open up a spot at scco for those of us on the waitlist!

haha, just kidding. 🙄


waiting sucks
 
You mean "great money"? 🙄

There's this quote about economists: "if they're so smart, why aren't they rich?" I think it applies to many scientists as well. But I agree it does cost quite a bit to get your name on a building. There was a huge stink at Berkeley about a person who I forget his name at the moment, but they couldn't find a building to honor him with because another building had been paid for. But they ended naming an elevator after him.

I worked with Bruce Ames. The guy is ridiculously wealthy but still goes to the gym dressed in a full suit and bow tie (if you were that busy, would you have time to change?) and still brings a bag lunch everyday. I kid you not. I know for sure that he'll have a few buildings named after him. I hope that time is long from now. But I also think it is great that its great to amass such wealth and give it back to a university or college instead of estating it all to your children.
 
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