UChicago vs Beth Israel Deaconess - choose by prestige?

[FireRad]

I'm in the process of certifying my rank list and I'm torn between ranking UChicago or Beth Israel #1.

I liked both, but Beth Israel seems more "prestigious". It's slightly higher ranked on Doximity and it has the pseudo-Harvard affiliation. Plus, I'm single and looking to meet successful guys and Boston seems to have surplus of highly educated men, or at least more so per capita than Chicago.

But, Chicago seems like a more fun city. I am from a very large city in the Northeast (Philadelphia) and Boston seemed really small when I visited. I think that could get boring really quickly.

Long term, I see myself working in the Northeast and wouldn't stay in the midwest. Would ranking Beth Israel be better for job prospects considering that private practice jobs are mostly based on local connections? I would like to work somewhere along the Eastern seaboard.

What do you all think?

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[bigthing0]

I think you already answered your own question. Beth Israel wins hands down. The connections you establish through 4 years of residency working closely with many different attendings on a daily basis are uncomparable to the ones formed during your fellowship. This is why so many people after their fellowship return back to the city where did their residencies because getting a job as you know is largely “referral-based.” Sure, you can probably hook up with many more cuter guys in Chicago, but are they going to be the ones you want to settle down with? Also Beth Israel’s tie with Harvard is stronger than you think. Yes, it may not have the reputation of MGH or BW but job recruiters like having “Harvard-trained” doctors listed as one of their faculty members.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

BID is definitely a Harvard hospital. It’s most definitely stronger in name than U of Chicago.

 

[entrepreneurMD]

I'm in the process of certifying my rank list and I'm torn between ranking UChicago or Beth Israel #1.

I liked both, but Beth Israel seems more "prestigious". It's slightly higher ranked on Doximity and it has the pseudo-Harvard affiliation. Plus, I'm single and looking to meet successful guys and Boston seems to have surplus of highly educated men, or at least more so per capita than Chicago.

But, Chicago seems like a more fun city. I am from a very large city in the Northeast (Philadelphia) and Boston seemed really small when I visited. I think that could get boring really quickly.

Long term, I see myself working in the Northeast and wouldn't stay in the midwest. Would ranking Beth Israel be better for job prospects considering that private practice jobs are mostly based on local connections? I would like to work somewhere along the Eastern seaboard.

What do you all think?

I don’t think the difference between the programs are so great but if you want to be in boston for work then BID is the winner.

 

[FireRad]

I think you already answered your own question. Beth Israel wins hands down. The connections you establish through 4 years of residency working closely with many different attendings on a daily basis are uncomparable to the ones formed during your fellowship. This is why so many people after their fellowship return back to the city where did their residencies because getting a job as you know is largely “referral-based.” Sure, you can probably hook up with many more cuter guys in Chicago, but are they going to be the ones you want to settle down with? Also Beth Israel’s tie with Harvard is stronger than you think. Yes, it may not have the reputation of MGH or BW but job recruiters like having “Harvard-trained” doctors listed as one of their faculty members.

This is good to know. Beth Israel seems to keep alot of their residents in Boston for fellowship, but that may just be by choice. I met one resident who wanted to move out West and he was one of the few who was leaving boston for fellowship.

I'm surprised having a "Harvard" affiliation counts for much in terms of job recruiting, but that is definitely good to know! Thanks!

 

[FireRad]

I don’t think the difference between the programs are so great but if you want to be in boston for work then BID is the winner.

I'm not sure if Boston specifically is where I would want to work. But I think I would like to work in the Northeast. Would Beth Israel be better in terms of job opportunities in places like Philadelphia (where I'm from), Washington DC, or Northern Virginia?

 

[entrepreneurMD]

I'm not sure if Boston specifically is where I would want to work. But I think I would like to work in the Northeast. Would Beth Israel be better in terms of job opportunities in places like Philadelphia (where I'm from), Washington DC, or Northern Virginia?

Not really cause BID I feel doesn’t have those long reaching arms that Brigham or MGH may have but it’s certainly better that U Chicago for that! Why BID vs a program in Philly?

 

[Aurum]

I'm not sure if Boston specifically is where I would want to work. But I think I would like to work in the Northeast. Would Beth Israel be better in terms of job opportunities in places like Philadelphia (where I'm from), Washington DC, or Northern Virginia?

n=a few, but the recent UChicago alumni I know had no issues getting job interviews/offers in those areas.

 

[FireRad]

Not really cause BID I feel doesn’t have those long reaching arms that Brigham or MGH may have but it’s certainly better that U Chicago for that! Why BID vs a program in Philly?

I didn't get interviews at top places in Philly. I'm not too sad, but just want to ensure that I leave doors open.

 

[FireRad]

n=a few, but the recent UChicago alumni I know had no issues getting job interviews/offers in those areas.

Did they do fellowships on the east coast? Or have ties some other way?

I honestly like UChicago alot more than BID. But I just don't want to make a bad long term decision, if it means I'm locked out of the east coast for the future.

 

[Aurum]

Did they do fellowships on the east coast? Or have ties some other way?

I honestly like UChicago alot more than BID. But I just don't want to make a bad long term decision, if it means I'm locked out of the east coast for the future.

All did name brand fellowships but not all on the East Coast. I think some had regional ties, but they were as strong as the ones you'd have (i.e. from the area originally).

 

[wegh]

An aside- don't put such a robotic focus on dating. That is a sure fire way to marry the wrong person or end up a very successful but lonely 60 year old. I have it seen it many times before.

 

[FireRad]

An aside- don't put such a robotic focus on dating. That is a sure fire way to marry the wrong person or end up a very successful but lonely 60 year old. I have it seen it many times before.

What's robotic about wanting to date a successful guy? I think that's pretty normal. I mean, as a physician, I don't really consider men who are not as successful to even be dating partners. I just want to date/marry a guy on on my "level". I think it's pretty rational and a common sentiment.

The dating scene in Chicago and Boston matter alot to me. Not to come off as the typical East Coast snob, but I always judge potential partners by: 1) their job and income, 2) their educational pedigree, 3) personality (in that order). I went to an Ivy undergrad and a top med school, so I will admit I am a little obsessed with "brand names" and having an "ideal family".

It seems like Boston has a higher density of worthy candidates with Harvard and MIT around. I even think dating someone who went to Boston University of Tufts would be acceptable.

But in Chicago, on Tinder I kept seeing people from like DePaul University, which I had never even heard of before my interview day.

 

[Ihatethegame]

I lived in Boston for UG and Master's and go to med school in Chicago. I'm only finally getting to appreciate Chicago nightlife this year but it is better and way more places to go out than Boston. I can't really comment on the dating scene since all the boys I dated went to school w me but Chicago is def way more dense population wise than Boston. Also keep in mind Boston is mostly a 'student city' and as a physician you would be higher up on the totem pole than most men you meet. As far as prestige I think both programs are relatively similar. They are both expensive cities.

 

[FireRad]

I lived in Boston for UG and Master's and go to med school in Chicago. I'm only finally getting to appreciate Chicago nightlife this year but it is better and way more places to go out than Boston. I can't really comment on the dating scene since all the boys I dated went to school w me but Chicago is def way more dense population wise than Boston. Also keep in mind Boston is mostly a 'student city' and as a physician you would be higher up on the totem pole than most men you meet. As far as prestige I think both programs are relatively similar. They are both expensive cities.

Thanks for your input! Since I'm used to living in large cities (philadelphia and now nyc), I'm hesitant about moving to Boston because it just seems so small.

Did you find that you eventually saw all of boston and did everything worth doing fairly quickly after you moved there for college?

 

[GadRads]

I was initially going to recommend Chicago to the OP, and returning to the East coast for fellowship. However if dating a top or Ivy League school grad is so important and will make meaningful contribution to your happiness, going to Boston is probably better.

 

[FireRad]

I was initially going to recommend Chicago to the OP, and returning to the East coast for fellowship. However if dating a top or Ivy League school grad is so important and will make meaningful contribution to your happiness, going to Boston is probably better.

I don't think it will make a meaningful contribution to my happiness. Just like most premeds, I'm used to planning my life out and I always just imagined my future husband as this really successful guy.

But back on topic, why would you suggest Chicago for residency and then fellowship back east? Any particular reasons?

 

[wegh]

What's robotic about wanting to date a successful guy? I think that's pretty normal. I mean, as a physician, I don't really consider men who are not as successful to even be dating partners. I just want to date/marry a guy on on my "level". I think it's pretty rational and a common sentiment.

"looking to meet successful guys and Boston seems to have surplus of highly educated men, or at least more so per capita than Chicago."

This came off as odd to me and would definitely stand out in a conversation. These are major cities, not the boondocks. Also, there is a difference between wanting to date someone "successful" and automatically cutting out options. There are plenty of good people who aren't doctors and plenty of crappy people that are (or are even more "successful" than doctors). I am just speaking from experience that if you see yourself so different than others to the point where you exclude them, you may end up alone.

My significant other is a nurse and by your standards she is "less successful" than I am, but she is an amazing person and that is one of the reasons why she is a nurse over a physician. A relationship, imo, is a loving, compassionate team. Don't lose out on that experience by placing yourself in a box

 

[wegh]

I don't think it will make a meaningful contribution to my happiness. Just like most premeds, I'm used to planning my life out and I always just imagined my future husband as this really successful guy.

But back on topic, why would you suggest Chicago for residency and then fellowship back east? Any particular reasons?

You're not a premed anymore though, you're going to be a resident. Premeds by their very nature are naive and inexperienced. To be honest most medical students are that as well because they didn't really 'work' during medical school, however they are at least more mature. There is a reason divorce rates are so high and one of the reasons is people have really ****ty reasons for getting married

 

[Aurum]

I don't think it will make a meaningful contribution to my happiness. Just like most premeds, I'm used to planning my life out and I always just imagined my future husband as this really successful guy.

But back on topic, why would you suggest Chicago for residency and then fellowship back east? Any particular reasons?

East coast fellowship = networking and job connections in your desired area of practice

 

[masaraksh]

You can date University of Phoenix students in any city.

 

[qwerty89]

OP reminds me of this thread from reddit years ago...

 

[DrfluffyMD]

OP, go boston. UChicago and BID are not in the same league when it comes to prestige.

 

[FireRad]

"looking to meet successful guys and Boston seems to have surplus of highly educated men, or at least more so per capita than Chicago."

This came off as odd to me and would definitely stand out in a conversation. These are major cities, not the boondocks. Also, there is a difference between wanting to date someone "successful" and automatically cutting out options. There are plenty of good people who aren't doctors and plenty of crappy people that are (or are even more "successful" than doctors). I am just speaking from experience that if you see yourself so different than others to the point where you exclude them, you may end up alone.

My significant other is a nurse and by your standards she is "less successful" than I am, but she is an amazing person and that is one of the reasons why she is a nurse over a physician. A relationship, imo, is a loving, compassionate team. Don't lose out on that experience by placing yourself in a box

That's not fair. It's different for women. It's hard for a female physician to date a male nurse because there are awkward power dynamics that come into play. Men have egos and a good chunk of them would not feel secure if their spouse made more money and had a higher "social position", in terms of jobs. And socially, there is more judgement when a woman is dating a man who is less successful than she is.

When men obtain more education, they expand their dating options. When women obtain more education, they inevitably restrict their dating options.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

That's not fair. It's different for women. It's hard for a female physician to date a male nurse because there are awkward power dynamics that come into play. Men have egos and a good chunk of them would not feel secure if their spouse made more money and had a higher "social position", in terms of jobs. And socially, there is more judgement when a woman is dating a man who is less successful than she is.

When men obtain more education, they expand their dating options. When women obtain more education, they inevitably restrict their dating options.

Looo, this student is basically just being a realist. There really isn’t any shame or strangeness to whatever she wants.

Think about it this way. What if this poster come out and say, instead of whatever she said, “I want to date an African American male specifically who have been incarcerated”. Would you still ridicule her? Quoting a freaking reddit post?

If you wouldn’t ridicule her for that CHOICE, don’t ridicule her for THIS choice.

Back to topic, one thing I tell med students a lot is that chosing a residency need to base on really important and practical things like location and yes, gasp, dating market.

For example, take WashU (mallinkrot) versus BID. No one will deny that WashU is a better rad program, but in your case I would absolutely recommend you to go to BID.

Why? The men you will find in St Louis will be VERY different from the men you will find in Boston. Most female physicians marries other physicians (fun fact, the second most common marriage from female physicians is OTHER female physicians before other occupations).

there are less other trainees/physicians to go by in st louis.

The other ugly factor is that wherever you end up, you may end up with a husband who prefer to live there. Do you want to end up with a man who are deadset to settle down in the midwest!?

DO NOT make this choice likely. I made the wrong choice a long time ago based on **** that doesn’t even matter like the number of scanner or research publications. NONE of that matters as a trainee. I ended up in the midwest and ad a dearth of people I like to date (though i am a man, I wanted to date other docs as they would understand me better).

I finally ended up dating and later marrying another resident, after essentially trying to look for someone like her for years. Just like me she’s from a big metro. I even tried to avoid dating locals for fear of them wanting to come back to this depressing midwestern town (happened to one of my faculty, who was forced to move back from Socal to this cold place.)

 

[wegh]

Looo, this student is basically just being a realist. There really isn’t any shame or strangeness to whatever she wants.

Think about it this way. What if this poster come out and say, instead of whatever she said, “I want to date an African American male specifically who have been incarcerated”. Would you still ridicule her? Quoting a freaking reddit post?

If you wouldn’t ridicule her for that CHOICE, don’t ridicule her for THIS choice.

You're insane.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

You're insane.

No good counter argument, just personal attacks, nice.

 

[trackstar740]

Looo, this student is basically just being a realist. There really isn’t any shame or strangeness to whatever she wants.

Think about it this way. What if this poster come out and say, instead of whatever she said, “I want to date an African American male specifically who have been incarcerated”. Would you still ridicule her? Quoting a freaking reddit post?

If you wouldn’t ridicule her for that CHOICE, don’t ridicule her for THIS choice.

^ I don't ever post on here because the loudest voices are often those of extremes, not of moderation. I would say one thing @DrfluffyMD : I wish you would be a little more measured in the kinds of examples you use to prove your point.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

^ I don't ever post on here because the loudest voices are often those of extremes, not of moderation. I would say one thing @DrfluffyMD : I wish you would be a little more measured in the kinds of examples you use to prove your point.

Sure, I use extreme example to illustrate how ridiculous attacking the OP is. OP can say she wants to marry another rich chick, a liberal programer, a coal miner, it doesn’t matter.

What matters is that it’s a choice OP makes. We shouldn’t criticize people for dating people of the other race or the same gender, then why critize op’s choice?

 

[qxrt]

In terms of prestige, is it that great between UChicago and BID? UChicago is one of the better known public school names, and BID may technically be a Harvard program, but I've always thought of it as kind of the forgotten stepchild to MGH and BWH.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

In terms of prestige, is it that great between UChicago and BID? UChicago is one of the better known public school names, and BID may technically be a Harvard program, but I've always thought of it as kind of the forgotten stepchild to MGH and BWH.

One of the program allowed its graduate to be advertised as Harvard trained. The other one doesn’t.

Supposedly BI is also the best IR program out of all three Harvard programs.

 

[qxrt]

One of the program allowed its graduate to be advertised as Harvard trained. The other one doesn’t.

Supposedly BI is also the best IR program out of all three Harvard programs.

"Allows"? There isn't any central group that allows or disallows how strong a connection a hospital needs to be called "Program X" trained. Mount Auburn is technically Harvard affiliated and could call themselves "Harvard-trained" without being technically wrong, as their attendings are listed as Harvard Medical School instructors.

And you can talk about program quality, and truth be told, there are DR residencies out there without big names which will still train you better than bigger name places, and same with IR...but in the real world, bigger names still matter and still afford you a premium when looking for jobs regardless of training. That is the reality. And there is some practical reason for it, too -- the quality of any radiology attending has more to do with factors inherent to the individual rather than what training they get in their few years of residency or fellowship. A highly motivated and driven person at a program with mediocre training can likely get farther in their career than a person with average motivation at a program with great training. And the former is more likely to be drawn to bigger names than the latter.

 

[masaraksh]

How likely do you feel that you'll match at #1?

 

[FireRad]

Looo, this student is basically just being a realist. There really isn’t any shame or strangeness to whatever she wants.

Think about it this way. What if this poster come out and say, instead of whatever she said, “I want to date an African American male specifically who have been incarcerated”. Would you still ridicule her? Quoting a freaking reddit post?

If you wouldn’t ridicule her for that CHOICE, don’t ridicule her for THIS choice.

Back to topic, one thing I tell med students a lot is that chosing a residency need to base on really important and practical things like location and yes, gasp, dating market.

For example, take WashU (mallinkrot) versus BID. No one will deny that WashU is a better rad program, but in your case I would absolutely recommend you to go to BID.

Why? The men you will find in St Louis will be VERY different from the men you will find in Boston. Most female physicians marries other physicians (fun fact, the second most common marriage from female physicians is OTHER female physicians before other occupations).

there are less other trainees/physicians to go by in st louis.

The other ugly factor is that wherever you end up, you may end up with a husband who prefer to live there. Do you want to end up with a man who are deadset to settle down in the midwest!?

DO NOT make this choice likely. I made the wrong choice a long time ago based on **** that doesn’t even matter like the number of scanner or research publications. NONE of that matters as a trainee. I ended up in the midwest and ad a dearth of people I like to date (though i am a man, I wanted to date other docs as they would understand me better).

I finally ended up dating and later marrying another resident, after essentially trying to look for someone like her for years. Just like me she’s from a big metro. I even tried to avoid dating locals for fear of them wanting to come back to this depressing midwestern town (happened to one of my faculty, who was forced to move back from Socal to this cold place.)

Thank you! I'm so glad someone else gets it. I'm just trying to be practical. I don't want to end up 40 years old and unmarried with only my cat's to keep me company.

P.S. Although I would have used a less racially incendiary example, lol

 

[FireRad]

How likely do you feel that you'll match at #1?

Well since 50% or so match to their #1, then it is a good chance. I just don't want to make this decision lightly.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

Thank you! I'm so glad someone else gets it. I'm just trying to be practical. I don't want to end up 40 years old and unmarried with only my cat's to keep me company.

P.S. Although I would have used a less racially incendiary example, lol

I hope you can see why your desire can be just as incendiary as my example to some people. My example is racially incendiary but your desire is very socioeconomicaly incendiary.

 

[masaraksh]

Well since 50% or so match to their #1, then it is a good chance. I just don't want to make this decision lightly.

Yeah, but that statistic is weighted with the specialties like IM which have massive class sizes. With how many people I know ranking BI 1 and the 8 person class its probably a little less.

 

[OphthLover]

Guys guys I do not care whether all the things she/he said about herself/himself are true or not, or whether she is trying to manipulate people into altering their ROL’s in her favor or simply trolling. She is monopolizing the discussion in this forum and our time, and it is obvious that she is very much enjoying the male attention she is getting from us “successful” guys. If she really is who she says she is, then maybe her being extremely selective in choosing her mate is the reason why she always has been single. She seems to be seeking guys in their early to mid-30’s, with ivy league education, and from prestigious medical schools, who have matched at the top tier residency programs of competitive specialties in highly desired training site of Boston. I’m sorry to break it down for the OP, but when it comes to finding a mate for a guy, what really matter are her age, physical attractiveness, and personality. The facts that she is still single and is desperately in search of a partner with “respectable” social status likely indicate that she was not attractive enough to develop a serious and romantic relationship with a guy from her own “prestigious” institution in Philadelphia during the significant time span of 4 years. And she was at the peak of her physical attractiveness as a girl in her early to mid-20’s and the males in her class were just humble medical students during this time. She would now have to fight even more challenging battles given how significantly more she has aged/will age and attractive male medical students become in the marriage/dating market once they become MDs. I think this was what everyone else on the thread was trying to point out in more polite and politically correct manners. And DrFluffyMD, if she was being “realistic”, then she should have been open to the “realisitc” opinions from these guys who will soon become parts of her dating target group. Virtually every hetero guy would want to date/marry a gorgeous blonde girl with straight hair, beautiful long neck, whiter complexion, thin waist, with big breasts and large hips in her early 20’s, but we don’t type that out in public forum and create a thread like, “X Vs. Y, in which city would I be able to meet this type of gorgeous hottie that I can date/marry”, well unless one is being “realistic” and willing to get bombardment of “realistic” comments from one’s female counterparts.

 

[FireRad]

Guys guys I do not care whether all the things she/he said about herself/himself are true or not, or whether she is trying to manipulate people into altering their ROL’s in her favor or simply trolling. She is monopolizing the discussion in this forum and our time, and it is obvious that she is very much enjoying the male attention from successful guys. If she really is who she says she is, then maybe her being extremely selective in choosing her mate is the reason why she always has been single. She seems to be seeking guys in their early to mid-30’s, with ivy league education, and from prestigious medical schools, who have matched at top tier residency programs in Boston of competitive specialties. I’m sorry to break it down for the OP, but when it seems to a mate For a guy, what really matters is her age, physical attractiveness, and personality. The facts that she is still single and is desperately in search of a “respectable” partner likely indicate that she was not attractive enough to develop a serious and romantic relationship with a guy from her own “prestigious” institution in Philadelphia during the significant time span of 4 years. And the males in her class were humble medical students back then. She would now have to fight even more challenging battles given how significantly more attractive male medical students become in the marriage/dating market one they earn the MD degrees. I think this was what everyone else on the thread was trying to point out in more polite and politically correct manners. And DrFluffyMD, if she was being “realistic”, then she should have been open to the “realisitc” opnions from the guys who will soon become parts of her target male group. Virtually every hetero guy would want to date/marry a gorgeous blonde girl with straight hair, beautiful long neck, whiter complexion, thin waist, with big breasts and large hips in her early 20’s but we don’t type that out in a public forum and create a thread like, “X Vs. Y in which city would I be able to meet this type of gorgeous hottie that I can date/marry”, well unless one is being “realistic” and willing to get bombardment of “realistic” comments from one’s female counterparts.

This post was so odd, it had me lmao for like 5 min. Hahaha

I’m not the type who gives af if some person on the Internet thinks I’m attractive or not, so this was hilarious.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

Guys guys I do not care whether all the things she/he said about herself/himself are true or not, or whether she is trying to manipulate people into altering their ROL’s in her favor or simply trolling. She is monopolizing the discussion in this forum and our time, and it is obvious that she is very much enjoying the male attention from successful guys. If she really is who she says she is, then maybe her being extremely selective in choosing her mate is the reason why she always has been single. She seems to be seeking guys in their early to mid-30’s, with ivy league education, and from prestigious medical schools, who have matched at top tier residency programs in Boston of competitive specialties. I’m sorry to break it down for the OP, but when it seems to a mate For a guy, what really matters is her age, physical attractiveness, and personality. The facts that she is still single and is desperately in search of a “respectable” partner likely indicate that she was not attractive enough to develop a serious and romantic relationship with a guy from her own “prestigious” institution in Philadelphia during the significant time span of 4 years. And the males in her class were humble medical students back then. She would now have to fight even more challenging battles given how significantly more attractive male medical students become in the marriage/dating market one they earn the MD degrees. I think this was what everyone else on the thread was trying to point out in more polite and politically correct manners. And DrFluffyMD, if she was being “realistic”, then she should have been open to the “realisitc” opnions from the guys who will soon become parts of her target male group. Virtually every hetero guy would want to date/marry a gorgeous blonde girl with straight hair, beautiful long neck, whiter complexion, thin waist, with big breasts and large hips in her early 20’s but we don’t type that out in a public forum and create a thread like, “X Vs. Y in which city would I be able to meet this type of gorgeous hottie that I can date/marry”, well unless one is being “realistic” and willing to get bombardment of “realistic” comments from one’s female counterparts.

What’s wrong with it?

I’ve dated all kind of women in my 20s, and I can say that honestly, different stroke for different folks. There isn’t a perfect women for everyone, just like how there isn’t a perfect guy for everyone. Not everyone’s into the gorgeous blonde hottie.

If a guy come out to say that they only want 95lb petite little things who is pretty and got d cups I would defend your choice too.

 

[OphthLover]

This post was so odd, it had me lmao for like 5 min. Hahaha

I’m not the type who gives af if some person on the Internet thinks I’m attractive or not, so this was hilarious.

I am relieved that you were not offended by my post. But is it not true? If you were attractive, you would have been part of the “minority” group of girls in your class who settled with the successful guys at your prestigious institution, and would not be making your career decisions based on the size of the “successful guy pool” of the city you will be training in.

 

[OphthLover]

What’s wrong with it?

I’ve dated all kind of women in my 20s, and I can say that honestly, different stroke for different folks. There isn’t a perfect women for everyone, just like how there isn’t a perfect guy for everyone. Not everyone’s into the gorgeous blonde hottie.

If a guy come out to say that they only want 95lb petite little things who is pretty and got d cups I would defend your choice too.

I don’t think you fully undestood my post. Where did I say anything about making those statements being right or wrong? I’m just being “realistic” and giving out ”realistic” opinions of mine just like you did.

 

[OphthLover]

What’s wrong with it?

I’ve dated all kind of women in my 20s, and I can say that honestly, different stroke for different folks. There isn’t a perfect women for everyone, just like how there isn’t a perfect guy for everyone. Not everyone’s into the gorgeous blonde hottie.

If a guy come out to say that they only want 95lb petite little things who is pretty and got d cups I would defend your choice too.

Oh, and I made sure to use incidendiary examples to tailor that part of my post to your taste since you seem to be in the habit of using extreme examples to write your arguments.

 

[FireRad]

Yeah, but that statistic is weighted with the specialties like IM which have massive class sizes. With how many people I know ranking BI 1 and the 8 person class its probably a little less.

It doesn't matter how many other applicants rank Beth Israel #1. It just matters where I am on the Beth Israel rank list. NRMP has a video that explains the match algorithm very clearly. Even if I had BIDMC at #10 on my list, if BIDMC had me higher on their rank list than 50 other applicants who ranked BIDMC #1, then I would still get the BIDMC match over them (if I didn't match to programs 1 - 9 on my match list).

Its more the super strong candidates who can afford to put a place like BIDMC far down their rank list that would be an issue. Since those people are likely higher on the BIDMC program's rank list than me.

But since it's only the program's rank list that matters, I've never really cared about other applicants' rank list.

 

[wegh]

No good counter argument, just personal attacks, nice.

I also wouldn't walk into a psychiatric facility and debate a patient there. There is a difference between not having an argument and wasting time.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

I also wouldn't walk into a psychiatric facility and debate a patient there. There is a difference between not having an argument and wasting time.

Still not contributing this discussion, and continue to violate the TOS by insinuating me as a psychiatric patient.

 

[drir2023]

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[medstud22]

What's robotic about wanting to date a successful guy? I think that's pretty normal. I mean, as a physician, I don't really consider men who are not as successful to even be dating partners. I just want to date/marry a guy on on my "level". I think it's pretty rational and a common sentiment.

The dating scene in Chicago and Boston matter alot to me. Not to come off as the typical East Coast snob, but I always judge potential partners by: 1) their job and income, 2) their educational pedigree, 3) personality (in that order). I went to an Ivy undergrad and a top med school, so I will admit I am a little obsessed with "brand names" and having an "ideal family".

It seems like Boston has a higher density of worthy candidates with Harvard and MIT around. I even think dating someone who went to Boston University of Tufts would be acceptable.

But in Chicago, on Tinder I kept seeing people from like DePaul University, which I had never even heard of before my interview day.

Lol, you and every other female physician that's still single in her 30s. Good luck with your dating goals, whereever that may be. Meanwhile, successful guys in their 30s would be fixing bones and boning that sweet 23 y/o freshly minted nurse. It's like fishing with dynamite, you really have nothing to offer to them. You're not on their level.

 

[medstud22]

That's not fair. It's different for women. It's hard for a female physician to date a male nurse because there are awkward power dynamics that come into play. Men have egos and a good chunk of them would not feel secure if their spouse made more money and had a higher "social position", in terms of jobs. And socially, there is more judgement when a woman is dating a man who is less successful than she is.

When men obtain more education, they expand their dating options. When women obtain more education, they inevitably restrict their dating options.

Yes, and socially there's judgment on successful men who date/marry washed up professional women, past their prime, when they can have a plethora of young, beautiful women, who they can afford to have as stay at home mothers.

 

[FireRad]

Lol, you and every other female physician that's still single in her 30s. Good luck with your dating goals, whereever that may be. Meanwhile, successful guys in their 30s would be fixing bones and boning that sweet 23 y/o freshly minted nurse. It's like fishing with dynamite, you really have nothing to offer to them. You're not on their level.

Yes, and socially there's judgment on successful men who date/marry washed up professional women, past their prime, when they can have a plethora of young, beautiful women, who they can afford to have as stay at home mothers.

I was initially going to write out a long snarky response that included calling you out based on your past post history, but then I remembered I have better things to do with my life.