UCLA vs UCSD

[lord_jeebus]

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Another thought on the benefit of a rigorous curriculum...

The categorical internal medicine residents in my program vary quite a bit in their knowledge and clinical skill. These differences are quite apparent and just half a year into internship, the other residents, fellows, and attendings have figured out who is the cream of the crop. These people are, without exception, those who worked very hard in medical school, and usually they went to programs known for tough clinical curricula.

This is huge because in just a year, many are going to submit their apps for the competitive fellowships like cards and GI, and those that haven't made a great impression have a huge hurdle to overcome. You have to learn to be a good doctor sooner or later, and it is a huge benefit to gain these skills while you are in medical school so you can start internship ready to rock.

 

[silverlining1]

Correction: UCSD Clinical grading is H/P/F. "Near Honors" performance is noted in the MSPE (Dean's Letter) but is not an official grade. There is no "Low Pass."

Oh! Hmm, guess I misheard. Nice.

 

[chessknt]

Another thought on the benefit of a rigorous curriculum...

The categorical internal medicine residents in my program vary quite a bit in their knowledge and clinical skill. These differences are quite apparent and just half a year into internship, the other residents, fellows, and attendings have figured out who is the cream of the crop. These people are, without exception, those who worked very hard in medical school, and usually they went to programs known for tough clinical curricula.

This is huge because in just a year, many are going to submit their apps for the competitive fellowships like cards and GI, and those that haven't made a great impression have a huge hurdle to overcome. You have to learn to be a good doctor sooner or later, and it is a huge benefit to gain these skills while you are in medical school so you can start internship ready to rock.

Yea but does that really matter if you dont want to go into a fellowship? Isnt it more beneficial to have an easier time in clinical years and land a killer residency instead?

 

[lord_jeebus]

Yea but does that really matter if you dont want to go into a fellowship? Isnt it more beneficial to have an easier time in clinical years and land a killer residency instead?

I would hope that you would want to get the most out of every stage of your training...but if you just want to gamble on getting things handed to you that you haven't earned (ie. a "killer residency" after slacking off in med school), you may as well not apply to UCSD because you will not like it.

 

[chessknt]

I would hope that you would want to get the most out of every stage of your training...but if you just want to gamble on getting things handed to you that you haven't earned (ie. a "killer residency" after slacking off in med school), you may as well not apply to UCSD because you will not like it.

I didnt say I was going to slack. I would just rather not be beaten up and abused more than I need to be and get something less tangible for it ("better" clinical skills are far less useful than clinical honors). I am not saying the two are mutually exclusive.

 

[lord_jeebus]

I worked long hours, studied like crazy, and was often physically exhausted, but I was never abused or anything close.

If you believe that doctoring skills have less value than a grade on a transcript...I don't know what to tell you. 🙁 Unfortunately too many medical students seem to share this view.

 

[fizzle]

I worked long hours, studied like crazy, and was often physically exhausted, but I was never abused or anything close.

If you believe that doctoring skills have less value than a grade on a transcript...I don't know what to tell you. 🙁 Unfortunately too many medical students seem to share this view.

Sounds like the model for UCSD med school is "sink or swim," more so than other schools. That's cool for people who work best in that kind of environment 😎

 

[chessknt]

I worked long hours, studied like crazy, and was often physically exhausted, but I was never abused or anything close.

If you believe that doctoring skills have less value than a grade on a transcript...I don't know what to tell you. 🙁 Unfortunately too many medical students seem to share this view.

Dont hate the player hate the game.

 

[Long Dong]

Dont hate the player hate the game.

Word, be like an electron and choose the path of least resistance.

Bruce Lee "the man who wins the fight is the one who accomplishes the most expending the least amount of energy."

Old school MGH attending "Never ever work hard, work smart. You can work as hard as you want and still never accomplish anything."

Kid Rock "work more for less pay? No thank you."

 

[doozenberg]

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[chessknt]

Can someone from UCLA's side give a rendition of UCLA's clinical curriculum in the same fashion as the above poster? It would greatly help me with my decision, thanks!