UCSF ALTERNATE LIST MOVEMENT!!!

[zealous]

No. I didn't just get in. In fact, I didn't even apply to UCSF. I just want to know when the He11 the list is going to move so some of you holding spots at UCLA will withdraw 'cause I want off the UCLA waitlist. So...does anyone have any news about movement or expected movement in the near future? THANKS !!!

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[DeltaMan]

Seems pretty quiet out there...Has anyone called the Admissions Office lately to ask if the Alternate List has moved at all?

 

[paean]

I was told today by the wonderful woman who answers the phone that a few offers already went out, and they are preparing to send another small group of offers soon. She said it looks good for people on the top half of the alternate list.

 

[Patiently Waiting]

Zealous, you're hilarious. <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
Way to go girl!! People, please drop your UCSF spots and go to Harvard/Hopkins, so that the UCLA acceptees will yield their seats in favor of going to UCSF. Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated. :wink:

 

[souljah1]

good luck paean and delta! supposedly, they have taken anywhere between 20 and 40 people off the alternate list (comprised of 100). If you are in the top half, you definitely have a great chance. Have you been notified about where you stand on the list? I'm pulling for you!!

 

[paean]

I'm on the the top half of the list and I really hope to join you in September. At first I thought that Yale was my first choice and UCSF was second (I'm on both lists still, removed myself from the rest) but now I'm thinking that I loved the school, and I really want to stay in the Bay Area. So I'm watching the mail. 40 people would be great, when I called, I didn't ask how many they anticipated letting in this year. I think I was to afraid of hearing 20, and didn't want to push.

 

[moongirl]

I was on the top half of the UCSF list and got a happy happy phonecall from Kathy Ryan, director of admissions, this afternoon!!! I'm freeing open a spot at the UCLA Geffon School of Medicine and a great apartment if anyone wants it (right next to the school)! =)

 

[zealous]

Congrats Moongirl!!
WooHoo!! WooHoo!! Come on UCLA waitlist, come on baby move, Move, MOVE!!! Thanks for responding, I hope ALL of you get accepted. Oh, and thanks for the spot at UCLA!!! We need it, huh PW?

 

[paean]

moongirl

Congrats, and great to hear that the list is moving.

 

[PeasOnToast]

So they called you Moongirl? Last I heard, it was all being done by mail. Any other info you can give us to inspire some hope in us waiters?

 

[paean]

news? (bump)

 

[PeasOnToast]

bump (again)

 

[Patiently Waiting]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by zealous:
•Congrats Moongirl!!
WooHoo!! WooHoo!! Come on UCLA waitlist, come on baby move, Move, MOVE!!! Thanks for responding, I hope ALL of you get accepted. Oh, and thanks for the spot at UCLA!!! We need it, huh PW?
•••••RIGHT!! :wink: Congrats on the recent acceptance and good luck to ya Deltaman and Paean!

 

[UCLA2000]

I'm on the top half of the list and even if I get accepted, I won't attend UCSF. I'd withdraw, but I just wanna see if I get in! (so there's another spot gonna open up if I do get in)....

 

[UCLA2000]

I'm on the top half of the list and even if I get accepted, I won't attend UCSF. I'd withdraw, but I just wanna see if I get in! (so there's another spot gonna open up if I do get in)....

 

[PeasOnToast]

I know the sentiment; it's fun to find out where you can get acceptances. Give a thought to the people who are waiting in line behind you who are willing to give their left arm to get off the waitlist with an acceptance. Holding a spot you don't really want means two weeks more of waiting for someone behind you.

I'm playing devil's advocate. I did the same thing (before waitlist season) at a few schools I knew I wasn't going to. It's just something to think about -- and a plea from those suffering on the waitlist.

 

[souljah1]

UCLA2000

If you know that you will not attend UCSF..why are you staying on the waitlist? So that you can see if you got into UCSF? Of course you can. You got into Penn. You are going to an excellent school. By staying on a waitlist that you have no intention of saying yes to, you are standing in the way of people who would want nothing more than to receive an acceptance from them. I understand that you are curious to get in, but you have to realize that the paperwork, the decision making, etc..all may lead you to just be a detour to people who truly want to go there. You are set on Penn. You should get over your curiousity and let the waitlist be for people who truly want to consider attending UCSF.

 

[paean]

UCLA2000 - It takes time behind the scenes for every person to get off the waitlist. Even if you plan to turn them down when they call, you are slowing the process down. And the admissions committee at UCSF, as we all know, seems to be one of the slowest to make decisions. I really want to go to UCSF, but if I don't get in within a month, I'm going to Case Western. Why? Not because I wouldn't move back across the country without a second thought. But because my school starts in five weeks. If people like you slow the process down, there will be people like me who might have otherwise gotten into their dream school, but couldn't because of timing. So please think about the other waitlistees who you could screw over by deciding to stay on the list.

 

[CaliBoy]

I agree with all of the above. People like me ended up in the 2nd half of the alternate list because some people who don't even want to go to UCSF are hogging the spots in the 1st half. How amazingly rude.

 

[UCLA2000]

Wow I didn't realize this would cause such a rucuss. This late in the process schools have a ranked list of people that they pull off of the waitlist. When the person gets accepted they will CALL and EMAIL the person. It does NOT take 2 weeks for them to notify the next person.

I am not waiting to see about UCSF because I think that it's fun. I'm doing it because during my entire undergrad career it was my NUMBER 1 choice. However, after visiting the campus I just didn't think that it's for me. Alot of Californians have UCSF up on a pedestal (I did too), and it's for that reason alone that I want to see if I get in. It's like someone who is on the Harvard waitlist because they're wondering if they get in.

Is it rude? No it's not rude because I'm NOT holding an ACCEPTANCE. It's rude for people to hold multiple ACCEPTANCES, but I am not doing that, nor do I plan on doing it. Whether or not I stay on the WAITLIST has NO IMPACT on where YOU go to medical school.

In fact, if I were you guys I'd be PRAYING that there were a hell of alot more people like me who are on the waitlist and DON'T plan to attend UCSF. Think about it. Do you have a better chance of getting pulled off the list if people on there are curious if they'll get accepted, or if they all want to go there?

So I suggest that you all take a deep breath, pop open a beer, and be patient!

 

[UCLA2000]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by CaliBoy:
•I agree with all of the above. People like me ended up in the 2nd half of the alternate list because some people who don't even want to go to UCSF are hogging the spots in the 1st half. How amazingly rude.•••••No you ended up there because of the way YOU interviewed, or perhaps it was YOUR scores, or YOUR volunteer work (or lack thereof) or some combination of those factors!

Take SOME responsiblity here. Nobody on the first half walked up and twisted the arms of the committee members and made them put you on the 2nd half. The people on the first half EARNED the spot and that's why they're there and you're not.

I got more news for you. If you DON'T get into UCSF then it's NOT my fault either! It's because somebody else who EARNED the spot decided to attend.

I'm not trying to insult you or come off as a prick here but quit blaming people who are in the first half for your problems.

 

[souljah1]

UCLA..

I think what Paean was trying to say is that if you (and others like yourself who have no intention of going to UCSF) were to withdraw your application, there would be a smaller waitlist. I agree that the reason why caliboy is on the 2nd half of the list is not b/c of people like you. from the start of developing their high priority list, UCSF considered you more seriously. I'm in, so whatever your decision is has no bearing on me, but people who are desperately waiting to hear from them (who would go in a heartbeat) are competing with your application..plain and simple. So, when they hear that you are just staying on the list to see what happens..it is kind of iritating..especially when those people may have to start at another school. So, I empathize with them. They are staying on the list to hopefully attend, you are doing it just to see if you could get in. Sounds a little like your stayin on to fondle your ego a little bit..When I received an acceptance to UCSF I withdrew my waitlists from all other schools. I think it is unnecessary to take up space and the admission committee's time.

You said, "In fact, if I were you guys I'd be PRAYING that there were a hell of alot more people like me who are on the waitlist and DON'T plan to attend UCSF. Think about it. Do you have a better chance of getting pulled off the list if people on there are curious if they'll get accepted, or if they all want to go there?"

Yes, it is better for Paean and others to be competing with people on a list who definitely will not attend, but what would be better is if you withdrew now so that pool of applicants that the admission committee is evaluating would be smaller. Again, I'm just trying to look at it from the adcom's perspective, as well as those who truly want to attend.

Ok, I'm going to go pop open a beer and relax :wink:

 

[Vader]

UCLA2000,
First, you definitely deserve congratulations for your hard work and excellent acceptances. I'm sure you're going to become a successful physician.

That being said, I completely agree with souljah1's assessment and think he gave you a very fair and balanced response. Although ultimately it is your choice and I definitely don't mean to sermonize, you have to realize that although you are waitlisted and not holding multiple acceptances as you said, you are still holding things up in terms of admissions, which could affect other applicants and certainly affects the amount of work the admissions people have to do. Just think of it in terms of costs and benefits to you and to others... what you gain seems to be very little but others have the potential for greater loss. Believe me, it wasn't easy sending several schools withdrawl letters before I knew what happened in terms of their waitlist. However, I realized there was no reason for me to continue on the waitlist if I had no intention of attending the school. I was also on the other end of things, waiting like mad for certain schools to make offers and for other applicants ahead of me to reply with their decisions. I am sure that applicants would be most appreciative for anything that would speed up the process and ease the waiting game.

 

[yaoming]

I think I agree with UCLA2000. He paid primaries and secondaries, flight to interview, and waited all this time. The adcoms should do their work for his application; UCLA2000 paid and it's their job to not just sit there but evaluate some applicants. In terms of other applicants, maybe UCLA2000 is not being very considerate of others, but he certainly is not being "inconsiderate." The man worked hard and paid his application fees (just like everybody else) and wants to know if he got in or not. That's not being inconsiderate, just not very considerate.

Okay, I have a question. I am not even on the UCSF waitlist. I'm on the UCLA waitlist. Which brings me the question: UCLA2000, where are you going such that you are refusing UCSF if you get in? Please dont tell me UCLA. That place needs some movements. Thanks.

 

[paean]

UCLA, my point wasn't that the slow down would come because of a letter and time to respond. Youv'e been very clear that if you are accepted, you will decline right away, and I'm sure that everyone who wants to go to UCSF appreciates that.

Maybe I wasn't clear above. My concern is that every time the admissions committee has a spot to fill, they look at the demographics of the class as it currently stands, and compare that to the rest of the waitlist. It's a significant delay, because the admissions committee doesn't meet every day. Since time is more pressing, they have increased their meetings from once a month, but when I've called, I got the impression that they were considering candidates only every week or two. So if you are offered a spot, you delay someone else's acceptance by at least a week.

 

[paean]

I'm one of the applicants that removed myself from consideration from all the waitlists I wasn't planning to accept immediately upon making a decision, and in two cases, after the interview but before getting a response, because I was accepted at a school I prefered. I was really tempted to wait some of them out for reasons similar to yours, but felt that it ultimately would do others more harm than it did me good. It's clear that we come from different perspectives on the issue, and I respect your curiousity about what possibilities you could have, however, the delay is a real issue, and I hope you change your mind.

 

[UCSFallthway]

Damn I hope the list moves faster...i'm at the top of the list and hopefully the movement includes me.....DAMNZ

 

[Vader]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by yaoming:
•I think I agree with UCLA2000. He paid primaries and secondaries, flight to interview, and waited all this time. The adcoms should do their work for his application; UCLA2000 paid and it's their job to not just sit there but evaluate some applicants. In terms of other applicants, maybe UCLA2000 is not being very considerate of others, but he certainly is not being "inconsiderate." The man worked hard and paid his application fees (just like everybody else) and wants to know if he got in or not. That's not being inconsiderate, just not very considerate.
•••••Apparently, you may not be aware of the work that goes into the application process from the admissions committee end of things. There is quite a lot that goes into evaluating each part of the application. The admissions committee meets only every so often (as paean noted above) and these meetings are the times when major decisions are made.

The point is that by not withdrawing despite having no intention of matriculating, one creates additional work for individuals (i.e. administrators, office staff, etc) and the larger committee that has no benefit to the school. The costs in terms of time, work, and effort to the committee and staff, and the costs to other applicants in terms of delays and potential changes in future plans (i.e. attending one school versus another) certainly outweigh the only benefit that is to the applicant to satisfy his/her curiosity, ego, etc.

I hate to belabor this, but think of it this way: if you are a patient and you have a 30-minute appointment, but all your medical needs and concerns are addressed within 20 minutes, should you demand the remaining 10 minutes? Or should you let the doctor go and see other patients with whom he/she might need to spend some extra time?

Anyway, sorry to harp on this, but you'll be amazed at how many ethical situations arise in medicine, with which you'll constantly be confronted. Moral of this story: in medicine you have to think about how your decisions affect others. You'll constantly be doing mini cost/benefit analyses.

Okay, now I'm stepping down from my soapbox...

 

[BlackPuma]

hey UCLA2000, sugar booger, I think ur a great guy

but if you have no interest in the school, please go ahead, pretty please take yourself of the waitlist...

cuz I have a couple of friends who want some damn UC movement...

for example, I know mathew wants to go to UCSF, so if he goes, then opens up spot in UCSD, and I have another friend, lets say california who gets into UCSD, that opens up a spot in northwestern or UCI (dont know where he chose finally) which lets either moo in northwestern, or sandra (originally name changed to protect her identity) to UCI,

did you know sandra by any chance? was an orphan by birth, who was sold into slave labour in the country of panama...after hard back breaking work she finally comes to america, (land of opportuntiy as she says...and got a good eduction through CC, then transferred to irvine, and now she has met the man of her dreams, and is waiting to get off the waitlist, so they can marry and start hvaing the family she always wanted..

now, having said this in this perspective...UCLA2000, your basically holding positions for 5 different people, and you are also preventing sandra from marrying, having kids, and living the wonderful american dream! and july 4th is around the corner!!!

we all know, how smart and intelligent you are, when they rank people on UCSF's list, it takes them a while to replace people who have withdrawn, which slows down the process 20 fold for other pple on other waitlists...

now I ask you, can you sit her beside your kewl computer, and basically with all conscious, prevent sandra from marrying?

I mean...how could u <img border="0" alt="[Pity]" title="" src="graemlins/pity.gif" />

FYI: You might experience some moments of guilt, and unbearable nights of depraved sleep for ruining 6 other people's futures...but it's all right...

u my suger booger :wink:

 

[jrucb]

Hey i got some good news. The list continues to MOVE, cuz my dad just got the phone call on Monday. So i'm on my way to UCSF this september!!!!! woooohooo. Right now i'm just chillin in mexico, but i'll be up there soon lookin for an Apartment. I'll see you in class souljah and my classmates from Berkeley

Javi

 

[souljah1]

•••quote:•••Originally posted by jrucb:
•Hey i got some good news. The list continues to MOVE, cuz my dad just got the phone call on Monday. So i'm on my way to UCSF this september!!!!! woooohooo. Right now i'm just chillin in mexico, but i'll be up there soon lookin for an Apartment. I'll see you in class souljah and my classmates from Berkeley

Javi•••••Javi,

Excellent! Considering the size of Berkeley, I would be really surprised if I knew you. I've heard that Berkeley and Stanford grads comprise a large portion of ucsf's student body..but that is just what I have heard. Enjoy Mexico and congratulations!!

Now we need Paean, Deltaman, and Caliboy to get some love. Great to hear the list is still moving for you guys.

 

[jrucb]

Hey souljah,

Yah you're probably right, but who knows maybe we'll recognize each other.

Take care,
Javi

 

[yaoming]

Any waitlist movements from this school? This school needs some movement so I can get into ucla. hehe. Anyone recently got in ucsf off the waitlist?

 

[MissMedicine]

bump

 

[PeasOnToast]

After a long and rather painful wait, I got the magic call from Kathy Ryan!!! I'm headed to UCSF in the fall. That opens a last minute spot at UCLA for those of you waiting. I am so excited about SF and all my new classmates. See you all soon.

 

[souljah1]

Originally posted by PeasOnToast
After a long and rather painful wait, I got the magic call from Kathy Ryan!!! I'm headed to UCSF in the fall. That opens a last minute spot at UCLA for those of you waiting. I am so excited about SF and all my new classmates. See you all soon.

Yes!!!! Congratulations! Now all that you have to do is quickly find housing. The market is really open right now. Go to the housing website a post that you are looking for a place. You'll get a plenty of offers. I just recently landed a really sweet 2BR flat with my friend in the Upper Haight. There are lots of places opening up. Very unlike the San Francisco of old. Anyway, looking forward to meeting you. If you have any specific questions about immunizations, FA, orientation, etc..give me a pm. I'll be glad to give you some info so you can get a head start.

Again, congratulations