UCSF vs Harvard

[ucsfbound2017]

---

Members don't see this ad.

.

 

[monkeya41]

UCSF if the name doesn't matter to him and/or the weather matters to him

 

[ncide]

Are you looking to specialize? If so, Harvard.

 

[blablabla1]

Honestly, with that small of a difference between the two schools, I'd choose Harvard. If you wanna specialize, you're a shoe-in for whatever you want, Cambridge/Boston is beautiful, you'll make tons of connections, great research (just like UCSF).

Your friend will need to see what size class size they'd be more comfortable with

 

[ucsfbound2017]

.

 

[dentaldreams2021]

Harvard

 

[ucsfbound2017]

.

 

[ncide]

If he's interested in academics, then Harvard.

 

[Likkriue]

Academics I would choose Harvard.

 

[StudentDentistsRock]

I'm just curious, may I ask what credentials got you into Harvard if it's not too much to ask? GPA? DAT? Research? Hours?

Edit: I'm curious because I would LOVE to go there. I want to teach and do research alongside practice so I thought this school would be nice, but impossible to reach. I just always assume that the 30 something incoming students have 4.00GPAs and near 30 DAT. Thoughts? I'm applying this summer, and the only two schools I am considering are Upenn and Temple, if I even make it to those :/

 

[pgex2t]

I voted for Harvard (because of the name rep), but if your friend feels UCSF was where he wanted to go, by all means, he should choose UCSF-you only get one life after all. I have a few D1 friends at UCSF right now and they are lovin' life. Both are unquestionably great institutions and I don't feel like a Harvard alumnus would receive an overwhelming advantage over a UCSF alumnus in the job market.

 

[8_man]

I'm sure both are top tier programs, but when bragging to relatives, I think saying "Haaaaahvard" instead of "UCSF" has a bit more punch to it.

 

[ucsfbound2017]

.

 

[shwayne]

If you don't value adequate clinical space/availability and are dead set on specializing then Harvard

 

[DMikes]

I'm just curious, may I ask what credentials got you into Harvard if it's not too much to ask? GPA? DAT? Research? Hours?

Edit: I'm curious because I would LOVE to go there. I want to teach and do research alongside practice so I thought this school would be nice, but impossible to reach. I just always assume that the 30 something incoming students have 4.00GPAs and near 30 DAT. Thoughts? I'm applying this summer, and the only two schools I am considering are Upenn and Temple, if I even make it to those :/

IIRC, Harvard average DAT is a 23.

somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Apply more broadly than to 2 schools.



But to actually answer OP's question, if he's interested in academia then Harvard is the place for him. HOWEVER, he is by no means "crazy" to pass up Harvard. If he feels UCSF is a better fit then that is absolutely fantastic and UCSF will surely get him the places he wants to be.

 

[florida561]

Why are people saying "Harvard for Academia" when UCSF is the number school in research in the entire country and produces more deans than any other school?

 

[FanOfCostco]

Ucsf. You will like the winters better. And Harvard only has clinic 4th year so if you choose not to specialize, only having 1 year of clinical experience doesn't really work imo.

 

[DentistScientist]

UCSF and Harvard are both great in research.

UCSF >> Harvard in research funding
However,
UCSF << Harvard + Forsyth in research funding

Harvard does not have the DDS PHD program to be the dean or the professor of the dental school. But harvard has better specialty match.

 

[FanOfCostco]

UCSF and Harvard are both great in research.

Harvard does not have the DDS PHD program to be the dean or the professor of the dental school. But harvard has better specialty match.

You need a PHD to be dean or to teach at a dental school??

 

[DentistScientist]

You need a PHD to be dean or to teach at a dental school??

In the future, it would be extremely helpful. But this depends on what kind of professor you want to be. I would say you need either MD or PHD to be the dean.

 

[ucsfbound2017]

.

 

[DentistScientist]

Unsure why, perhaps the Harvard name?

lol that is certainly not true. all three of those are equal in stature. in fact for dental school deans DDS>PhD>>>>>>>>>MD

Of course all three are equal. What I meant was having both DDS/DMD and PHD or DDS/DMD and MD.

To be the dean, you need research and good luck getting R01 grant with just DDS/DMD. You will learn this after you study for a while at UCSF.

 

[FanOfCostco]

hmm....Dean Hutter at BU only has a certificate that says endo from the navy....but that's none of my business. *drinks lipton tea

 

[htdt]

In the future, it would be extremely helpful. But this depends on what kind of professor you want to be. I would say you need either MD or PHD to be the dean.

I'm actually interested in teaching after I graduate, and I certainly hope that a PhD isn't a requirement to teach. About 50% of d-school professors that I know only have a DDS/DMD. Most of them teach clinical courses. The didactic course are often taught by people with only PhD.

 

[FanOfCostco]

I'm actually interested in teaching after I graduate, and I certainly hope that I won't need a PhD to teach. About 50% of d-school professors that I know only have a DDS/DMD. Most of them teach clinical courses. The didactic course are often taught by people with only PhD.

it depends what subject you choose to teach. I wouldn't expect a DDS/DMD to teach general anatomy and I wouldn't expect a PhD. to teach how to do a crown prep. I wouldn't worry too much about what degree you need to be a d school teacher.

 

[PanamaPCV]

Quite a bit of misinformation being spewed in this thread.

If you don't value adequate clinical space/availability and are dead set on specializing then Harvard

Huh? This is the first I've heard of this being a problem. Never had an issue getting a chair...

Ucsf. You will like the winters better. And Harvard only has clinic 4th year so if you choose not to specialize, only having 1 year of clinical experience doesn't really work imo.

This one is just outright false. Clinic is 3rd and 4th year and will begin even earlier with the new curriculum.

UCSF and Harvard are both great in research.

UCSF >> Harvard in research funding
However,
UCSF << Harvard + Forsyth in research funding

Harvard does not have the DDS PHD program to be the dean or the professor of the dental school. But harvard has better specialty match.

Also not true. We do have a DMD PhD program. Two of my classmates recently left our class to complete the PhD.

To the OP, I voted for Harvard. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about HSDM.

 

[DentistScientist]

Quite a bit of misinformation being spewed in this thread.


Also not true. We do have a DMD PhD program. Two of my classmates recently left our class to complete the PhD.

Are you sure? I dont want to be rude but i did not see the combined program description on hsdm webpage. Harvard has the combined DMD Ph.D program that is supported by both T90 and R30? Does the program cover 60% of dental school tuition and give these students $23000 stipend? There are several people who do dmd/dds and get phd in the middle or after even though they are not supported by t90 and r30. They are getting these degrees separately. Both Drs. Martha Somerman and Lawrence Tabak got two degrees separately.






Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile

 

[DentistScientist]

I'm actually interested in teaching after I graduate, and I certainly hope that a PhD isn't a requirement to teach. About 50% of d-school professors that I know only have a DDS/DMD. Most of them teach clinical courses. The didactic course are often taught by people with only PhD.

Yes. Thats how it is nowadays. But i am talking about our generation. The dmd phd program started in 1994.

And i am positive that if we want to be the dean in the future, we need another doctorate degree in addition to dds/dmd.


Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile

 

[ohana1]

I don't know much about UCSF, but I would definitely say Harvard 🙂

 

[periopocket]

This is a tough choice if UCSF is also P/F with no internal ranking? If there is ranking, I would deff go Harvard


Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile

 

[PTWOB490]

Dude... these are two great options. I'd say Harvard if they can teach you to dance like this haha:

 

[Trigeminal08]

UCSF obviously!