UCSF vs. NYU vs UMich vs NWestern vs Hopkins

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I am OOS for all of them and waiting to hear back from a few more places. I have a social sciences/humanities background so I am very interested in pursuing medical humanities opportunities in medical school. I am also currently interested in academia and research. Specialty-wise, I am keeping an open mind, but interested in ortho, peds, or psych. Sorry, this is so long. Thank you all in advance.

UCSF
Pros
  • $40,000/yr need aid
  • Ridiculously good reputation
  • They have some pretty solid medical humanities opportunities.
  • I liked the vibe of the city, the faculty, and the students. One of my interviewers even reached out to me after getting accepted and offered to be a mentor should I choose UCSF.
  • Diverse patient population.
  • The Bridges Curriculum seems very interesting and is P/F basically all the way through!
  • Student housing available and a living stipend to help with costs.
Cons
  • As OOS up to $42k/yr in loans
  • COL: probably the highest cost of living here along with NYC.
  • I want to go OOS but never imagined Cali as a legitimate possibility and now it's sort of daunting.
  • Got the vibe from students that they're not all big fans of the curriculum changes.

NYU
Pros
  • I received a Full COA scholarship upon acceptance. Little to no med school debt. Seems stupid to turn down.
  • Excellent reputation as well.
  • Again, pretty solid medical humanities opportunities.
  • I got a chance to explore the city before my interview and it was so much fun. Went full tourist mode.
  • Student housing available and I think almost guaranteed.
  • Diverse patient population coming from literally all over the world.
Cons
  • While I enjoyed my short burst of time, I feel NYC/Manhattan might become a bit overwhelming since I've never lived in a big city before. The noise pollution might drive me a little crazy.
  • COL: if I don't get student housing then have to worry about ridiculous Manhattan apt prices.
  • Hopefully, the tuition-free thing doesn't lead to a more "gunnery" class.

UMich
Pros
  • $30,000/yr Tuition Scholarship +$20,000/yr Grant
  • I loved my interview day and before getting these other offers, it was my top choice. Throughout this cycle, Michigan has really worked to impress me, especially with their level of communication. Also, had one of my interviewers reach out to me from here.
  • Again, an amazing reputation.
  • Ann Arbor seems quaint and a nice place to live and spend four years and the most affordable place to live of these choices.
  • Their curriculum has the best opportunities to explore my interdisciplinary and humanities interests. M3 year is specifically dedicated to this.
  • My student host and all the students I interacted with seemed genuinely happy and loved the school.
  • I am somewhat non-traditional and the school seems to favor non-traditional applicants.
Cons
  • $34k/yr in Stafford loans (will decrease if get IS residency)
  • I wanted to live in a place with seasons but, Ann Arbor seems to become a literal tundra during certain months in the year. Not sure if I am about that life.
  • Financial Aid: Again, hard to beat what NYU is offering.
  • Ann Arbor, while nice, seems less exciting than NYC, SF, or Chicago.

Northwestern
Pros
  • Amazing facilities. Everything was so new and modern. It was like being in the future.
  • I've visited Chicago before and really liked this city, as well. It's vibrant, diverse, and active but also doesn't seem as overwhelming.
  • Again, strong medical humanities opportunities that I can even pursue as part of my research requirement.
  • The students here also seemed really relaxed and happy, too.
  • Again, an excellent reputation.
Cons
  • Like Ann Arbor, Chicago seems like it can get intense weather-wise.
  • Financial Aid: Again, hard to beat what NYU is offering.
  • Since everything seems so new and modern, worried that the patient population will be skewed towards a higher SES and a little bougie.
  • COL: definitely up there with NYC and SF imo.
 
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congrats on the awesome acceptances so far.
If i was in your shoes I would take the NYU Deal, Unless UCSF offers you a large chunk of change.

IMO if money is no concern
UCSF>NYU>Northwestern>Michigan
Thanks! If money wasn't a concern I'd be leaning differently, too. Any particular reason for putting them in that order?
 
Thanks! If money wasn't a concern I'd be leaning differently, too. Any particular reason for putting them in that order?
UCSF is literally the best school in the country, many years running. They have more research dollars, and a large number of big names in multiple specialties publishing.

That being said your cons are in the grand scheme of thing not very big, students tend to hate the curriculum anyway.
Living in big cities comes with the territory for three of the four schools so it is wash .

NYU is rising star and they have increased research funding, and taken bold steps like tuition elimination.


Northwestern gives the gunner vibe.

Michgan is lower because the city size and tundra in my mind.
 
NYU > Michigan > UCSF = Northwestern

Reasoning:

1. NYU - full COA scholarship is insane to turn down, especially if you could see yourself being happy there

2. Michigan - 2nd highest ranked school on the list, your first choice most of the cycle, lowest reservations about how you would fit in/enjoy the school

3 & 4. UCSF and Northwestern -UCSF highest ranked on the list, but I don't think ranking difference would impact your chances at anything (#1 for UCSF vs #6 for Michigan vs the others are top 20 still), you seemed to like UMich more than both so I put it above it. Also these two are highest COL.

Ultimately your cycle was obscenely successful and you can't make a bad choice. However, many would consider it foolish to turn down a full COA scholarship at NYU for any other school at full price.
 
So from reading your post that your favorites in terms of curriculum were Mich>UCSF> Northwestern/NYU.

Location seemed like UCSF had a distinct advantage.

Finances clearly favor NYU. However, you mention that Michigan has been paying close attention to you and you're clearly a stud candidate. I think it's worthwhile to reach out, tell them about NYU and ask what financial resources they can help you out with price.

It seems to me superficially that Michigan was your favorite but it's hard to beat free. If all the schools had the same cost, which would you choose?
 
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So from reading your post that your favorites in terms of curriculum were Mich>UCSF> Northwestern/NYU.

Location seemed like UCSF had a distinct advantage.

Finances clearly favor NYU. However, you mention that Michigan has been paying close attention to you and you're clearly a stud candidate. I think it's worthwhile to reach out, tell them about NYU and ask what financial resources they can help you out with price.

It seems to me superficially that Michigan was your favorite but it's hard to beat free. If all the schools had the same cost, which would you choose?


Wow I'm an idiot. How did I not think of that.

OP, at my interview day at Michigan we were told if we received big scholarships elsewhere to reach out and let them know and they would see what they can do. No promises, but it wouldn't hurt.

I also agree if the NYU scholarship wasn't there that I would've said Mich > all others.
 
What do you think you’d gain out of attending UCSF over NYU? Performance in the match coming from either T10 school will largely depend on how YOU do the next four years. But $250K in money saved will mean huge things for your future.
Nothing I can think of. It's just an irrational feeling honestly with nothing to back it up.
 
Wow I'm an idiot. How did I not think of that.

OP, at my interview day at Michigan we were told if we received big scholarships elsewhere to reach out and let them know and they would see what they can do. No promises, but it wouldn't hurt.

I also agree if the NYU scholarship wasn't there that I would've said Mich > all others.

Yeah, I think it's worth a shot to look into.
Congrats OP, you won the admissions jackpot with full COA to a top program.
It just doesn't get any better than that!

Lol, thanks. It was mind blowing when I first got the news.
 
I would wait for financial aid and second looks to make a decision. I understand that the Full COA NYU scholarship is amazing, but I think people in general put too much emphasis on it. I want to believe there is more to medical school than expenses (although if it will be financially straining for you and your family, then I think you will make the right choice by choosing NYU...but again you wont know until financial aid comes in). If you don't like NYC or the student body at NYU, then I would say UCSF. At the end of the day, take what everyone says on SDN with a grain of salt. We will all enforce what we value, but no one knows you better than yourself. I think if you follow what truly matters to you, you will pick the best school for you. Good luck man! I am glad things worked out for you.
 
For me, If money was no concern I would choose UCSF > Michigan > Northwestern = NYU

Personal Reasoning:

UCSF is the
  • highest ranked on this list, and is definitely the best in terms of prestige research funding, and just being a top 5 med school since like forever. It will open the most doors.
  • They also have good need based aid from what I've heard. Met a guy from last cycle who chose UCSF over Baylor bc COA ended up being significantly lower. So, definitely don't close that door. Basically I'm saying I don't think its going to be anywhere need 250k to attend here, so wait for FinAid

Michigan: From your posts, it seems like this is honestly one of your true top choices. I really love them because
  • IMO it has a better reputation than NYU since they seem to have just artificially jumped ranks lol. In terms of residency training, they are the top in several specialities. Had a friend complete ortho residency there and told me it was a "gentleman's program", trained him extremely well, and never worked him anywhere over 70 hours a week. Even that was only during his trauma rotation
  • hey VERY MUCH favor non-trads, just look at their class profiles for past few years.
  • ONE YEAR PRECLINICAL!! Honestly the coolest thing ever I would love to get into clinic ASAP and explore as many specialties as possible and get much more clinical training throughout medical school. This is my favorite part.
  • tbh Ann Arbor and Michigan are awesome. Chill place to live. I'm not much of a big city guy though so thats a personal thing
  • to top it all off, INFORM THEM OF your NYU offer, (PM me if you want any help drafting) and I'm sure they will seriously consider trying to match. I've read a few MDapps where they had full tuition, and then after second look they also got COA and stipend!
Northwestern: Honestly really loved this school. They had an awesome interview day and they seemed to have
  • a very supportive culture. the truest P/F with no internal ranking and no influence on AOA. Like that's important
  • Longitudinal clerkships are pretty awesome too, almost as good as Michigan with a full 3 years of clinical training.
  • CHICAGO > NYC any day. Area around NU is so nice, and the city is cleaner and less hectic/stressful, but still has just as much "city"
NYU
  • This is still an AMAZING school, just my least favorite of the 4. Their curriculum for the 21st century didn't strike me as anything too special. the 3 year MD is awesome if you want.
  • Some cons here NO TRADITIONAL DISSECTION, you learn from the prosections and plasticy peoples. to me, that was a key feature I want in a future med school, esp since I'm interested in surgery and want to have a hands on anatomy experience.
  • Cost as of now is a major pro here. You'll graduate debt free. Like they paying for you to live in NYC thats a huge deal. However, NYC when I visited wasn't a huge fit for me city wise. I'm just not into the really busy culture. Also the city pretty dirty, and the student dorms were "eh" at best in terms of furnishing/flooring/space.
 
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  • Some cons here NO TRADITIONAL DISSECTION, you learn from the prosections and plasticy peoples. to me, that was a key feature I want in a future med school, esp since I'm interested in surgery and want to have a hands on anatomy experience.
Can you elaborate on the no traditional dissection at NYU? I haven't heard anything about this.
 
Can you elaborate on the no traditional dissection at NYU? I haven't heard anything about this.
I asked them about it on interview day. Said they were transitioning to using pre-dissected instead of like giving a group of 4-5 students their own cadaver
 
For me, If money was no concern I would choose UCSF > Michigan > Northwestern = NYU

Personal Reasoning:

UCSF is the
  • highest ranked on this list, and is definitely the best in terms of prestige research funding, and just being a top 5 med school since like forever. It will open the most doors.
  • They also have good need based aid from what I've heard. Met a guy from last cycle who chose UCSF over Baylor bc COA ended up being significantly lower. So, definitely don't close that door. Basically I'm saying I don't think its going to be anywhere need 250k to attend here, so wait for FinAid

Michigan: From your posts, it seems like this is honestly one of your true top choices. I really love them because
  • IMO it has a better reputation than NYU since they seem to have just artificially jumped ranks lol. In terms of residency training, they are the top in several specialities. Had a friend complete ortho residency there and told me it was a "gentleman's program", trained him extremely well, and never worked him anywhere over 70 hours a week. Even that was only during his trauma rotation
  • hey VERY MUCH favor non-trads, just look at their class profiles for past few years.
  • ONE YEAR PRECLINICAL!! Honestly the coolest thing ever I would love to get into clinic ASAP and explore as many specialties as possible and get much more clinical training throughout medical school. This is my favorite part.
  • tbh Ann Arbor and Michigan are awesome. Chill place to live. I'm not much of a big city guy though so thats a personal thing
  • to top it all off, INFORM THEM OF your NYU offer, (PM me if you want any help drafting) and I'm sure they will seriously consider trying to match. I've read a few MDapps where they had full tuition, and then after second look they also got COA and stipend!
Northwestern: Honestly really loved this school. They had an awesome interview day and they seemed to have
  • a very supportive culture. the truest P/F with no internal ranking and no influence on AOA. Like that's important
  • Longitudinal clerkships are pretty awesome too, almost as good as Michigan with a full 3 years of clinical training.
  • CHICAGO > NYC any day. Area around NU is so nice, and the city is cleaner and less hectic/stressful, but still has just as much "city"
NYU
  • This is still an AMAZING school, just my least favorite of the 4. Their curriculum for the 21st century didn't strike me as anything too special. the 3 year MD is awesome if you want.
  • Some cons here NO TRADITIONAL DISSECTION, you learn from the prosections and plasticy peoples. to me, that was a key feature I want in a future med school, esp since I'm interested in surgery and want to have a hands on anatomy experience.
  • Cost as of now is a major pro here. You'll graduate debt free. Like they paying for you to live in NYC thats a huge deal. However, NYC when I visited wasn't a huge fit for me city wise. I'm just not into the really busy culture. Also the city pretty dirty, and the student dorms were "eh" at best in terms of furnishing/flooring/space.
Thanks for your contribution. I actually went and called UCSF and Mich today and asked about the possiblity of matching the offer. Michigan told me to send my NYU scholarship letter to the director of admissions and theydt put that into consideration when reviewing my aid. Haven't heard back from anyone yet. UCSF seemed kinda apprehensive about how much they'd match it and told me filling out the application is the best bet to figuring that out. So looks like I'm going to have to broach the CSS PROFILE topic now. Gonna see about Northwestern tomorrow. Part of me feels silly and greedy for not taking this amazing offer and running but, I don't like the idea of automatically ignoring these other places because of finances.
 
Part of me feels silly and greedy for not taking this amazing offer and running but, I don't like the idea of automatically ignoring these other places because of finances.

Nah man, you earned this. Look at it this way, NYU offered you a COA scholarship upon acceptance cuz they know they're getting a good deal. Doesn't necessarily mean its a great deal for you. Hoping you figure out which option is best for you!
 
Nah man, you earned this. Look at it this way, NYU offered you a COA scholarship upon acceptance cuz they know they're getting a good deal. Doesn't necessarily mean its a great deal for you. Hoping you figure out which option is best for you!

Good way to put it.
 
I agree with everyone here. If UMich matches go there. I doubt UCSF will match tbh.
 
I honestly thought UCSF didn’t do merit aid? But if Michigan matches your NYU offer, I’d take it as it seems like Michigan vibes with you more. Don’t forget the insanely high COA in SF. Also @dodolol21 sorry but NYU housing is about as good as it gets in prime real estate like Manhattan. It won’t be any better in SF, although the area around Uchicago (didn’t interview at NW) did seem less expensive and more livable. I imagine NW is the same, and ofc Ann Arbor will give you the most bang for your buck.
Ive read that they have little merit aid and the admissions person I talked to today said it's very rare for them to give offers similar to mine from NYU. I stayed with a student host for my interview and the housing at least at Mission Bay was pretty nice honestly. Didn't see housing at NW as my host actually lived closer to DePaul University.
 
I honestly thought UCSF didn’t do merit aid? But if Michigan matches your NYU offer, I’d take it as it seems like Michigan vibes with you more. Don’t forget the insanely high COA in SF. Also @dodolol21 sorry but NYU housing is about as good as it gets in prime real estate like Manhattan. It won’t be any better in SF, although the area around Uchicago (didn’t interview at NW) did seem less expensive and more livable. I imagine NW is the same, and ofc Ann Arbor will give you the most bang for your buck.

Just to clarify uchicago housing is way cheaper than north western housing. Interviewed at both and stayed with student hosts. To be about a 10 minute walk from the school at both you'd pay around 1500 at North western (it's a very rich area but also my student host was in a fancy studio). At uchicago in hyde Park my student hosts shared a large apartment. Each had their own bathroom and giant rooms. Only shared the living room and the kitchen which were pretty large as well. They paid between 375 to 575 each depending on the room size they had (one of the bed rooms was much larger than the others but all were a nice size). That's so much cheaper. The students closer to the school paid more like 600 to 800 though. And also at northwestern if you go farther from the school and don't mind taking public transportation you can find places for around 800. But yeah overall uchicago is much cheaper in terms of living costs.
 
Ive read that they have little merit aid and the admissions person I talked to today said it's very rare for them to give offers similar to mine from NYU. I stayed with a student host for my interview and the housing at least at Mission Bay was pretty nice honestly. Didn't see housing at NW as my host actually lived closer to DePaul University.

Mission Bay was great but I'm pretty sure most of the students are closer to the main campus. That area was still nice but on my day it was chilly and foggy unlike the nice weather in mission Bay. It's crazy how different the climates were despite the short distances between them. Also my student hosts said ucsf will usually give an extra 200 to 300 a month to put towards housing so including utilities many were paying around 900 to 1200 depending on the place.
 
Mission Bay was great but I'm pretty sure most of the students are closer to the main campus. That area was still nice but on my day it was chilly and foggy unlike the nice weather in mission Bay. It's crazy how different the climates were despite the short distances between them. Also my student hosts said ucsf will usually give an extra 200 to 300 a month to put towards housing so including utilities many were paying around 900 to 1200 depending on the place.
Yup, my students host mentioned the same thing both about the micro-climates the housing stipend thing. Pretty awesome in my opinion.
 
Just to clarify uchicago housing is way cheaper than north western housing. Interviewed at both and stayed with student hosts. To be about a 10 minute walk from the school at both you'd pay around 1500 at North western (it's a very rich area but also my student host was in a fancy studio). At uchicago in hyde Park my student hosts shared a large apartment. Each had their own bathroom and giant rooms. Only shared the living room and the kitchen which were pretty large as well. They paid between 375 to 575 each depending on the room size they had (one of the bed rooms was much larger than the others but all were a nice size). That's so much cheaper. The students closer to the school paid more like 600 to 800 though. And also at northwestern if you go farther from the school and don't mind taking public transportation you can find places for around 800. But yeah overall uchicago is much cheaper in terms of living costs.
Definitely, what KdI expect when you're not living in the heart of the city. I loved both schools but liked UChicago a little more. The irony is haventh heard back from them. Not that it matters now though with the options I have.
 
Having experienced pro-sections in undergrad and going through traditional dissections last semester I can safety say traditional dissection is definitely not a pro to having prosected anatomy.
Since you've experienced both, can you elaborate? You can PM if you feel more comfortable?
 
Having experienced pro-sections in undergrad and going through traditional dissections last semester I can safety say traditional dissection is definitely not a pro to having prosected anatomy.

Unless of course, spending 2/3rds of your lab time scraping fat sounds like a good time.
Wouldn't mind hearing your view either, please share! Also, some schools are just doing the plastiquy stuff like in musuems what are your thoughts on that
 
Sure,

For me and my classmates it was mostly a time thing. While its initially really fun and sacred to have the privilege of dissecting, I found most of our time in anatomy lab involved cleaning fat/fascia on a cadaver that looks nothing like what you'd see on a live body (think beef jerky and spaghetti) till an assigned TA/anatomist arrived to "assist" and teach.

One thing you'll quickly realize once you start is that no two bodies are alike, meaning anatomical variations with structures that difficult to find (even for the TA's/professors), coming off where they "should" not be or just missing. This can be interesting (one group's cadaver had situs inverses, where every organ/vessel in the body was flipped to the wrong side LOL), except when it happens to your group and you're still expected to know the material. Not to mention some labs are downright impossible for first years to do on their own properly (like the neck). After lab, we still showed up for review sessions led by surgeons/professors in the evenings and on weekends and at the end of the day I'd rather just save the time and learn from professionally prosected parts.

When I took anatomy in undergrad, we rotated in groups and were taught off pro-sections, after which we were free to go to the storage and check out any cadaveric part, normal and anomalous, to study from.



The practice from cutting could be attained elsewhere like during clerkship or even shadowing; one of my friends got to help close on the donor of a heart transplant surgery.




We also had plastic models laying around in the lab, but I didn't know some schools taught exclusively off models...that is definitely a big con. Dissecting or not I think one should learn from an actual body.

Thanks for elaborating.
 
Of course this is just my opinion but here are some others:



Anyways' back to the main topic. I'd ordinarily say UCSF because UCSF, but you're obviously an incredibly talented applicant to have these options and you will achieve w/e you want form any of these schools. One just happens to be completely free.

Thanks for your input.
 
I personally loved my interview at UCSF (didn't interview at those other schools). Maybe could justify choosing UCSF if you had In-state tuition, but the full-ride to NYU seems too nice to pass up.

Money aside, I think the difference for me would be city and people.

City:
- I find San Francisco to be much more chill and cozy compared to NYC. I worked in the startup scene previously, and I feel like the culture of mentorship in the Bay Area is unmatched to anywhere in the world. People are so open to meeting up with you and chatting about anything. If you're somewhat nerdy, I feel like you'll be around the smartest people in the world and will be within arms reach of people who could be valuable to you. This could possibly help you stay fired up about whatever it is you're passionate about.
- Not sure if NYC is similar since there's a larger portion of people in the finance scene (+I haven't lived there). I get a slightly more cutthroat vibe walking around NYC, but also think NYC is more beautiful of a city.

Students: In previous years, you might have had slightly more stellar classmates around you at UCSF. But with the Full COA at NYU, I'm sure you'll be with the very best of the best.
Faculty: UCSF definitely has world-leading researchers in every field. Not too sure about NYU, but they will most definitely have stars as well.

That said, numerous people have told me that your medical education is going to be pretty much standardized anywhere you go, and the quality of your education is basically an output of your quality of effort.

There's not going to be all that much time that you'll have outside of studying, so that's why I think you should go with NYU. Everyone has heard about the full COA at NYU, so its prestige will continue to skyrocket for the next few years. Further, your pockets will be happy, and you'll be competitive for any residency in the states - including places like UCSF. I don't know what the exact calculation will be, but making future decisions with 200k-400k debt will be much different than the psychological comfort of making future decisions without that much debt, and this alone is probably worth any possible missed networking opportunities at UCSF.

Congrats on your acceptances! Pray/meditate on it until you feel good about a choice, and I think you'll be happy with whatever decision you end up making!
 
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Forgot to mention, NYU has an associated undergraduate campus with many studying non-health related areas whereas UCSF doesn't. NYU is one of the best art schools in the world and always has a lot of events going on, so if you need to break up the monotony of mingling with health-related people (and techies) all of the time, you would have that unique option at NYU
 
Forgot to mention, NYU has an associated undergraduate campus with many studying non-health related areas whereas UCSF doesn't. NYU is one of the best art schools in the world and always has a lot of events going on, so if you need to break up the monotony of mingling with health-related people (and techies) all of the time, you would have that unique option at NYU
Yup, that was a great pro for NYU/NYC. I felt like a kid in a candy store going to the MOMA the day before my interview. I'm nerdy and artsy so could be good with both.
 
Forgot to mention, NYU has an associated undergraduate campus with many studying non-health related areas whereas UCSF doesn't. NYU is one of the best art schools in the world and always has a lot of events going on, so if you need to break up the monotony of mingling with health-related people (and techies) all of the time, you would have that unique option at NYU

Fair point, but also take into consideration NYU undergrad and medical school are on separate campuses, and even though they might be a short distance away from one another, the two campuses seemed very distance, or at least that was my perception during interview day.
 
Hey all,

A new player has joined the decision arena. Found out last Friday that I got into Hopkins. I've read on other posts people saying, "You get into Hopkins, you go to Hopkins!"

Went and included it in the poll and it should allow people to change their answer if they choose. Thank you again for you input.
 
Hey all,

A new player has joined the decision arena. Found out last Friday that I got into Hopkins. I've read on other posts people saying, "You get into Hopkins, you go to Hopkins!"

Went and included it in the poll and it should allow people to change their answer if they choose. Thank you again for you input.

Do you have fin aid info for Hopkins or pro vs cons?

Congrats! Nutty cycle.
 
Hey all,

A new player has joined the decision arena. Found out last Friday that I got into Hopkins. I've read on other posts people saying, "You get into Hopkins, you go to Hopkins!"

Went and included it in the poll and it should allow people to change their answer if they choose. Thank you again for you input.

Hopkins has great need-based aid I've heard. Definitely wait for the package!
 
wait for Hopkins and see if they match NYU. Then go to Hopkins, if that does not happen NYU is the way to go.
 
If you feel comfortable, I’d love to hear about whether Hopkins gives you good aid. Currently also between Hopkins and a full ride, though mine is at a state school.
 
If you feel comfortable, I’d love to hear about whether Hopkins gives you good aid. Currently also between Hopkins and a full ride, though mine is at a state school.
Yeah dude. Im totally fine with it. I'm working on finishing up the financial aid application and seeing where this goes.
 
What did you think of Baltimore? I agree with @puahate though
I didnt get a chance to really explore. I had to be in and out because I didn't want to risk losing full-time position at work by that point in the cycle. I will say, I hyped up Hopkins in my head a bit and was slightly underwhelmed. It was still a great experience overall. I think second look will be a better gauge of what Baltimore is like.
 
I answered above about living in Bay Area, but I also coincidentally lived in Baltimore for a summer internship haha. Nightlife sucks and definitely not the safest city, but the city's charm really grew on me and Inner Harbor and Fell's Point are nice places to relax. It's also super humid in the summer. Haven't been there since 2013 though, so not sure if the city is any nicer. Research heaven tho, people really pump out a lot of papers here. I'd still choose NYU or UCSF over JHU for medical school just for the better cities, but it might be easier to focus at JHU. Everyone in academics is really in their zone with work here from my experience.
 
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