UDM vs. UMich

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So I was wondering... what's the general difference between UDM and UMich? I know that UDM is known for having a strong clinical curriculum while UMich is known for having a strong academic curriculim.

Would someone who chooses UDM over UMich be jeapordizing their likelihood to specialize?

And would someone who chooses UMich over UDM end up with lower clinical ability than a UDM grad?
 
This is going to sound retorical, but figure it out for yourself. You also first have to get into school, I would be more worried about that more than anything. Take a tour, ask some students, get a feel for the area. The arguements about this is better than that is all a bunch of hear-say. Is there any hard literature that says U of M is better? NO. So don't listen to what old farts who graduated from school in the 70's and people on this board who often talk about issues like "the best residencies." Nobody really knows! I go to U of M, I don't even know where Mercy is located now that they moved. I should have an opinion, but I honestly have no clue about the other school. No other student honestly knows either.

The cold hard truth about Dental school is it is what you make of it! If you want to be a better clinician then work more cases, work with different faculty, do different proceedures, take additional courses, you get the picture. Picking one school over the other is in no way going to affect your specializing oportunities. Whoever told you that is full of crap. When it comes to stuff like this it's just like playing a game of poker, you gotta have the nuts no matter what. If you really want to do something set a plan and execute. Tons of people come into school wanting to be orthos and make $500,000 doing nothing. The reality is most people are crying by Christmas time when they realize they've already put themselves out of contention.

So get accepted, make a gut decision based on what you desire (for me I was more concerned about which schools were within walking distance to Taco Bell), and if you want to be a better clinician, get higher board scores, or specialize (It's alot more difficult than you think, not trying to discourage you, but giving you some objective perspective) then work harder to obtain those goals. The ball is in your court. Good luck kid!
 
This is going to sound retorical, but figure it out for yourself. You also first have to get into school, I would be more worried about that more than anything. Take a tour, ask some students, get a feel for the area. The arguements about this is better than that is all a bunch of hear-say. Is there any hard literature that says U of M is better? NO. So don't listen to what old farts who graduated from school in the 70's and people on this board who often talk about issues like "the best residencies." Nobody really knows! I go to U of M, I don't even know where Mercy is located now that they moved. I should have an opinion, but I honestly have no clue about the other school. No other student honestly knows either.

The cold hard truth about Dental school is it is what you make of it! If you want to be a better clinician then work more cases, work with different faculty, do different proceedures, take additional courses, you get the picture. Picking one school over the other is in no way going to affect your specializing oportunities. Whoever told you that is full of crap. When it comes to stuff like this it's just like playing a game of poker, you gotta have the nuts no matter what. If you really want to do something set a plan and execute. Tons of people come into school wanting to be orthos and make $500,000 doing nothing. The reality is most people are crying by Christmas time when they realize they've already put themselves out of contention.

So get accepted, make a gut decision based on what you desire (for me I was more concerned about which schools were within walking distance to Taco Bell), and if you want to be a better clinician, get higher board scores, or specialize (It's alot more difficult than you think, not trying to discourage you, but giving you some objective perspective) then work harder to obtain those goals. The ball is in your court. Good luck kid!

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So I was wondering... what's the general difference between UDM and UMich? I know that UDM is known for having a strong clinical curriculum while UMich is known for having a strong academic curriculim.

Would someone who chooses UDM over UMich be jeapordizing their likelihood to specialize?

And would someone who chooses UMich over UDM end up with lower clinical ability than a UDM grad?

I didn't like either personally so I went out of state. I agree with what everyone else has said. Go where you feel comfortable. I felt that I would be sacrificing my comfort by going to UofM over other schools. In the end, its 4 years of hard, expensive, intense, work that you would like to make sure you're in a place that you enjoy somewhat.
 
I understand what everyone is saying, but I don't really agree that the school you choose has no bearing on your specialty prospects. In fact, the cold hard data speaks for itself. 89% of U of M grads go on to specialize versus U of D grads (I forgot the EXACT figure, but at UDM open house the admissions staffs themselves threw out a number, ~ 25-35%) BIG difference...
 
I understand what everyone is saying, but I don't really agree that the school you choose has no bearing on your specialty prospects. In fact, the cold hard data speaks for itself. 89% of U of M grads go on to specialize versus U of D grads (I forgot the EXACT figure, but at UDM open house the admissions staffs themselves threw out a number, ~ 25-35%) BIG difference...

LOL.

There is not a single school in the country that sends 90% of their students to specialty programs.

jb!🙂
 
I understand what everyone is saying, but I don't really agree that the school you choose has no bearing on your specialty prospects. In fact, the cold hard data speaks for itself. 89% of U of M grads go on to specialize versus U of D grads...

Ummm.. I don't quite think so. Check out the class of 2008 for yourself (over on the right of the page):

http://www.dent.umich.edu/about/aboutschool/news/grad2008/index.html

Especially check where it says students going on to specialty training is 22 students (20.4%). Even if you add GPRs and AEGDs, which aren't specialties but sometimes get lumped in to inflate numbers, your looking at 51 students (47.2%). This is nowhere near the 89% you give.
 
Ummm.. I don't quite think so. Check out the class of 2008 for yourself (over on the right of the page):

http://www.dent.umich.edu/about/aboutschool/news/grad2008/index.html

Especially check where it says students going on to specialty training is 22 students (20.4%). Even if you add GPRs and AEGDs, which aren't specialties but sometimes get lumped in to inflate numbers, your looking at 51 students (47.2%). This is nowhere near the 89% you give.


Hmmm... interesting! I got a different number when I interviewed. I will have to go back and look at the information flyer they distributed. Very interesting. Thanks for the correction!!
 
Hmmm... interesting! I got a different number when I interviewed. I will have to go back and look at the information flyer they distributed. Very interesting. Thanks for the correction!!

The flyer I got in the interview packet (with stats from the class of 2007) was right around the same percentages as well.

Students entering specialty= 26 (~24%)
Students entering specialty + AEGD and GPR = 48 (~45%)

There are always instances of graduates working as a GP for a few years and then go back and enter a specialty program. But to hit 89%, that would have to be a lot!



If you interviewed at UMich already, are you attending one of these school and just checking to make sure you made the correct decision, or are you a re-applicant?
 
This is going to sound retorical, but figure it out for yourself. You also first have to get into school, I would be more worried about that more than anything. Take a tour, ask some students, get a feel for the area. The arguements about this is better than that is all a bunch of hear-say. Is there any hard literature that says U of M is better? NO. So don't listen to what old farts who graduated from school in the 70's and people on this board who often talk about issues like "the best residencies." Nobody really knows! I go to U of M, I don't even know where Mercy is located now that they moved. I should have an opinion, but I honestly have no clue about the other school. No other student honestly knows either.

The cold hard truth about Dental school is it is what you make of it! If you want to be a better clinician then work more cases, work with different faculty, do different proceedures, take additional courses, you get the picture. Picking one school over the other is in no way going to affect your specializing oportunities. Whoever told you that is full of crap. When it comes to stuff like this it's just like playing a game of poker, you gotta have the nuts no matter what. If you really want to do something set a plan and execute. Tons of people come into school wanting to be orthos and make $500,000 doing nothing. The reality is most people are crying by Christmas time when they realize they've already put themselves out of contention.

So get accepted, make a gut decision based on what you desire (for me I was more concerned about which schools were within walking distance to Taco Bell), and if you want to be a better clinician, get higher board scores, or specialize (It's alot more difficult than you think, not trying to discourage you, but giving you some objective perspective) then work harder to obtain those goals. The ball is in your court. Good luck kid!

I'm not in dental school yet but I bet that's fairly accurate:laugh:
 
It seems like half the world wants to be orthodontist. I'm going to try to work hard and see where my interest falls. All this percentages are just advertising it's what you yourself do in dental school. I don't think it matters that much where you go.
 
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