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The average age of people on the board is like 90 years old. They better move that trial up...
 
The lawyer on the board got paid with stock. He also defended Weinstein and went after doctors that reported irregularities in Theranos lab values when taking care of patients.
 
I always wondered if he and his firm ever contacted the pathology blawg guy. Sounds like there was a lot of intimidation going on for whistleblowers.
 
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Ran into her a few months back, she isnt bad looking as a normal woman without the weird act she puts on. Given how bright she is really is, this is entire affair is a tragedy.

The NGI defense is absolutely doomed.

I blame the entire movement of people at Stanford that took her as a some type of neo-feminist icon and chose to ignore the vast amount of red flags from the get go.

You want to see how the modern feminist can self-immolate? Liz is the archetype.
 
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I am curious to hear what her real voice sounds like.

Never understood why she wanted to sound transgender. Maybe that will work in her favor for the insanity defense.
 
Her success, extremely high level of functioning, ability to communicate with others on an advanced level, and ability to think up such a megalithic strategem puts her in the extremely intelligent (although foolish) category. Truly psychotic individuals who are psychotic enough to plead insanity struggle to function on a basic level in life.
 
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Theranos is one of the best examples of white privilege.
 
WEBB PINKERTON said:
I am curious to hear what her real voice sounds like.

Never understood why she wanted to sound transgender. Maybe that will work in her favor for the insanity defense.
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Her voice was a total act. When she has 2-3+ drinks, she sounds exactly as you would expect.
 
LADoc00 said:
Ran into her a few months back, she isnt bad looking as a normal woman without the weird act she puts on. Given how bright she is really is, this is entire affair is a tragedy.

The NGI defense is absolutely doomed.

I blame the entire movement of people at Stanford that took her as a some type of neo-feminist icon and chose to ignore the vast amount of red flags from the get go.

You want to see how the modern feminist can self-immolate? Liz is the archetype.
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So you think she was a victim? “Liz”? Three famous Holmes.... John, Sherlock, and Liz.....
 
Don't forget Rupert Holmes. The great yacht rocker. I love the song Him. Him, him, him, What's she gonna do about him?
 
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Ngi defense based on what illness?
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Have you ever interacted with a LE forensic pysch unit? Public defenders can make stuff up faster than CNN. Its quite impressive.

I read one report of a guy who killed someone and ate part of the body and his defense was basically a very severe eating disorder.
 
LADoc00 said:
Have you ever interacted with a LE forensic pysch unit? Public defenders can make stuff up faster than CNN. Its quite impressive.

I read one report of a guy who killed someone and ate part of the body and his defense was basically a very severe eating disorder.
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In this case what's the defense?
 
Well, she has amply demonstrated that she is high-iq-type intelligent but she is stupid in the ways of the world. She had AMPLE chance to split to a comfy ,non-extradition country and plenty of money and a passport. I think any body with any sense ( she was even single,no kids) with that money, and the opportunity, facing those troubles, would get outta Dodge. When the alternative is almost certainly SERIOUS federal time it is a no brainer. After all, why do the courts frequently seize passports of defendants? Because the smart ones with lots of money facing lots of time will split.
 
Who is worse? Her, or the people working for her who intimidated and threatened people on her behalf? I have never understood why the lawyers can get away with terrible behavior in cases like this (like how the Boies group was described in Carryrou's book). They're all dumping all the blame on her and the other guy. Fine, ok, they deserve most of the blame but the board members and lawyers should have some kind of sanction also that prevents them from participating in nonsense like this ever again.

I remember the 5 years-ago time or so when all the hype was there - it was hard to get taken seriously for any criticism or serious questions about the company because you were "biased" or didn't get it or whatever. It was complete blind faith on the behalf of supposed skeptics and journalists and "thinkers" who wanted to believe what she was selling.

It kind of reminds me of that food research guy at Cornell who absolute everyone in health care was citing all the time because his research made so much sense. Yeah, but it turns out it wasn't real research. We tend to be skeptical of things that conflict with our interests or beliefs, but we also tend to be overly accepting and less skeptical of things that make sense to us that we want to believe. A top Cornell food researcher has had 15 studies retracted. That’s a lot.

Some pathologists probably came at the theranos problem from a skepticism that may have been fear-based or whatever, but most of it was legit. I mean, what was going to happen if she really did succeeed? Revolutionizing lab testing and allowing everything to be tested quickly and cheaply at the POC device? Sign me up, even though I run labs with lots of outreach.
 
I did not know any pathologist that thought this was legit from the very beginning. A Ponzi scheme that got funded. She knew the data was fraudulent but presented it as factual and got clinical contracts and actually did patient testing then tried to cover it up. Sure there were those that supported and invested in it but it seems that at some point she could have just admitted the BS before having to be shut down by the feds. Lots of opportunities. Maybe she is a victim. Lots of people seem to be victims nowadays.
 
Oh, there were pathologists that thought it was legit. I remember some. Good evidence we are scraping the bottom of the barrel for our workforce.

What data? That was one of the obvious red flags, refusing to publish any data.
 
Yeah I guess I should have qualified “pathologists”. Let’s see where the informatics and molecular yellow brick road take us.
 
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I did not know any pathologist that thought this was legit from the very beginning. A Ponzi scheme Unicorn dream that got funded. She knew the data was fraudulent were still in development but presented it as factual and got clinical contracts and actually did patient testing then tried to cover it up, as is industry standard in part of the "fake it till you make it" strategy. Sure there were those that supported and invested in it but it seems that at some point she could have just admitted the BS before having to be shut down by the feds someone is always left holding the bag when your speculative investment fails. Lots of opportunities. Maybe she is a victim innovator. Lots of people seem to be victims innovating ways of showing wealth on paper nowadays.
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Corrected for the proper terminology!
 
schiff said:
I did not know any pathologist that thought this was legit from the very beginning. A Ponzi scheme that got funded. She knew the data was fraudulent but presented it as factual and got clinical contracts and actually did patient testing then tried to cover it up. Sure there were those that supported and invested in it but it seems that at some point she could have just admitted the BS before having to be shut down by the feds. Lots of opportunities. Maybe she is a victim. Lots of people seem to be victims nowadays.
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I wrote them off as soon I heard their machines weren't validated and they weren't participating in proficiency testing.
 
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