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In a little less than three weeks, I will be taking the MCAT. In a little less than a week, I will turn seventeen.

So, obviously, I am underage and I am applying to medical school next year. 😀

My question is this: Does anyone have experience or knowledge concerning the average attitude of med schools to underage individuals? Although I am a good student with - limited, due to my age - experience in the medical field, a good GPA, and satisfactory practice MCAT scores, I have concerns that my lack of years might be seen as a weakness.

Anyone have some insight?
 
In a little less than three weeks, I will be taking the MCAT. In a little less than a week, I will turn seventeen.

So, obviously, I am underage and I am applying to medical school next year. 😀

My question is this: Does anyone have experience or knowledge concerning the average attitude of med schools to underage individuals? Although I am a good student with - limited, due to my age - experience in the medical field, a good GPA, and satisfactory practice MCAT scores, I have concerns that my lack of years might be seen as a weakness.

Anyone have some insight?

combined with a lack of clinical experience, I wouldnt be very surprised if you werent accepted.

You probably just started driving...How do you know you want to do medicine? You must have started college at 15 or something?

Its not impossible to get accepted, theres no minimum age, but Adcoms do take things like life experience in account. As you know you probably have very little. Also this short amount of time is going to make it difficult for you to prove a commitment to medicine, i.e. you've seen and experienced things that will give you a close understanding of what medicine is like.
 
you have a lot of time to do some really cool stuff.
^_^
 
In a little less than three weeks, I will be taking the MCAT. In a little less than a week, I will turn seventeen.

So, obviously, I am underage and I am applying to medical school next year. 😀

My question is this: Does anyone have experience or knowledge concerning the average attitude of med schools to underage individuals? Although I am a good student with - limited, due to my age - experience in the medical field, a good GPA, and satisfactory practice MCAT scores, I have concerns that my lack of years might be seen as a weakness.

Anyone have some insight?
Congratulations on your achievements at such a young age. 17.5-18 is the usual age for a matriculating medical student where I come from, but it's very young for the U.S.

Anecdotally, I can tell you that my medical school (allopathic, U.S.) matriculated an 18-year-old. She is in the year below me, and I rotated with her on a couple of services (so she's now 20 or 21, I guess). Its unusual, but it does happen. Other than a good GPA and MCAT (expected), demonstrating maturity and a commitment to medicine is absolutely crucial.

Good luck!
 
You're fine - don't worry... If you go to the AAMC website and search for demographic information, you will find that every year, there are a couple of hundred students below the age of 20 who get into medical school. I know that the youngest person to get accepted to medical school was a 13 year old Japenese kid who got accepted to the MD/PhD program at UChicago a few years ago - so I don't see any problems with you getting in. The only reason why you may not get in is if you spent all your time cramming your studies and didn't go out to volunteer, work part-time, or socialize with others. Usually, the only thing that keeps underage applicant out (asides from the obvious such as a bad GPA or MCAT score) is the perceived juvenile lack of maturity during the interview.
 
The OP could apply to one of the 6 or 7 year combined college/med school programs. Personally, I think it would be more fun and interesting (socially speaking) to do one of these than to go to some random med school where most of the other students are mid 20's-30. I have heard the Northwestern program is good (I think it's 3 + 4). The students seemed happy when I interviewed there for med school years ago (like 8-9 years ago now, so it's been a while).

OP, the only advice I have is make sure medicine is what YOU want to do, not what someone else (i.e. family members, etc.) want you to do with your life. If so, then go for it.

Once you get accepted, why don't you defer acceptance x one year and hike around Europe? That would be really cool to do at your age.

The attitude of med schools toward younger applicants really varies according to the school. We had at least one 21 year old and maybe two in my class, but nobody younger than that. One person had done 3 years @MIT (so was let in without senior year of college).
 
In a little less than three weeks, I will be taking the MCAT. In a little less than a week, I will turn seventeen.

So, obviously, I am underage and I am applying to medical school next year. 😀

My question is this: Does anyone have experience or knowledge concerning the average attitude of med schools to underage individuals? Although I am a good student with - limited, due to my age - experience in the medical field, a good GPA, and satisfactory practice MCAT scores, I have concerns that my lack of years might be seen as a weakness.

Anyone have some insight?
I can't speak for other schools, but at my school, no, your age alone would not automatically be a weakness. We have one student who started at age 17. However, a limited amount of clinical experience *will* be a major weakness. I suggest that you consider taking a year off to work and/or volunteer in a clinical setting before applying. You will have a chance to get some experience in a medical field to help you decide if it's really for you, and you will make your app for med school much more competitive. Although you may feel impatient to get on with things and not want to wait, at 17 you have plenty of time to take a year (or even two) to explore career options and figure out what you want to do with the rest of your life. Best of luck to you. 🙂
 
If you really want to matriculate early, I don't see anything holding you back (Besides the clinical stuff you mentioned).

Have you shadowed any doctors? How do you know you really want to go to medical school?

Also, just remember that if you do decide to go to medical school, most people will be 5+ years older than you. It can be tough to connect socially with people who are older, and to add to that, can drink legally. For example, I moved in with a bunch of law students this semester (I'm 20 and they're all 26+) and I felt it was very hard that I couldn't socially connect or go hang out with them at the bars.
Just my two cents 🙂
Good luck on the MCAT!
 
Agree w/above. That's why I think the OP should consider one of those 6-8 year combined undergrad/med school programs. then the OP won't be 4 years younger than everyone else...
 
A 19 year old was accepted to my medical school. While nobody questions that the person is a genius and was probably more accomplished at 12 than most of us will ever be, nobody really thinks this person will be a good doctor... both because of lack of maturity and social skills and because patients don't and won't respect teenage doctors. Anyway, genius level intelligence isn't necessary or even helpful in everyday medicine.

With that said, age is just a number. Get the experience you need, develop your social maturity, and explore other careers to make an informed choice. How about volunteering for a suicide hotline?
 
Adcoms do take things like life experience in account. As you know you probably have very little.

True, but I don't know that the average undergrad applicant has any more valuable "life experience" than a 17-year-old academic superstar.

Congrats to you, Maria. I graduated high school at 15, college at 19, and law school at 23 (took a year off) and I kick myself every day for not pursuing med school when I was 19 (meaning I could be in year 7 as an attending, or could have been a surgeon by 30).

If you know it is what you want to do, why wait? And if it ends up not being what you want to do, you will still be younger than the average college grad when you finish and can do something else! 🙂
 
Colorado had a 17 yr old accepted I believe last year.

Great question, OP, on how the the SCHOOLS would perceive your age versus what other STUDENTS would think of you. One of those valuable life lessons I think -- not everyone will like you. Trying to become popular with everyone = futility.

It's cool that you're younger than most. I (and at least some others here) are older than most. You know what? I've never been a good match for my chronological age, and suspect that this is not a unique thing.

Schools tend to be very good about providing feedback if there are issues and it takes another year to be accepted. (hey, you've got time!). I was initially concerned due to the age difference (average matriculant being around 21-24). The school's response? It is illegal for us to consider your age, why do you keep bringing it up?

You'll be fine.
 
I am honestly REALLY surprised that so many people think that applying at 17 will not raise big red flags for the adcoms. Will it absolutely sink an application? No. Will the applicant's maturity be subjected to unusually intense scrutiny? I would think that of course it will. Anecdotal evidence seems to be popular so far, so I'll throw in that during my interviews, more than one interviewer volunteered their opinion that had I applied straight out of college (I was 2 years early), I would likely not have gotten in due to my age, and schools' concerns about applicants that young.

Every situation is unique, but given that the OP asked if their lack of years might be perceived as a weakness, I think the answer is pretty emphatically "yes". Add in the somewhat inevitable lack of clinical experience, research, or ec's, you have an even more uphill battle. The youngest person I've noticed on SDN this year is 19, his name is Raryn. Maybe get in touch to see what his perspective is now that he's gone through the process.

Anyway, I dig the young smarties, so this isn't meant to be discouraging. You'll get where you want to go, now or later. Don't forget to look up occasionally along the way, and keep researching what's going to be required of you. (And I agree that 6 yr BA/MD programs might be a way to go.)

Good luck on the MCAT! :luck:
 
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There is a current applicant whose situation is very similar to yours. His screen name is Raryn, and he is 18 years old. You should PM him to get some personal feedback on what it's like out there.

I don't know Raryn personally, but according to his MDApps he has very strong stats (3.8 GPA and very high MCAT), yet he has had a tough time getting into med school. He's had lots of interviews, but only got his first acceptance a few days ago, at Rosalind Franklin. The cycle is not totally over yet, so he could get others (especially from WLs), but this certainly suggests that a very young applicant may not have the easiest time, even with great numbers.
 
Agree w/above. That's why I think the OP should consider one of those 6-8 year combined undergrad/med school programs. then the OP won't be 4 years younger than everyone else...

I'm assuming that the OP is a junior or senior in college already.... ?
 
oh yeah...duh.
But the OP might still like to pick some school(s) that like younger applicants. I know Northwestern takes a good portion of their class from a 7 year combined BA/MD program, so at a place like that the OP might only be 2-3 years younger than some of the others, rather than being at some school where there are a lot of older students, etc. I kind of don't see what the rush is to get into med school...in the OP's situation I'd be taking a year to study abroad, volunteer more, etc. However, I also don't get why everyone is assuming the OP is too immature for med school. I have to say there were some pretty darned immature 24 year olds in my med school class...I think it's kind of an individual thing. In other countries, people start med school at age 18 and go for 5-6 years, so it's not so insane for someone to start at age 17 or 18. It's not what I would have wanted to do, but to each his/her own.
 
I am honestly REALLY surprised that so many people think that applying at 17 will not raise big red flags for the adcoms.
Because we don't discriminate based on age, and we consider applicants as individuals, at least at my school.

Will it absolutely sink an application? No. Will the applicant's maturity be subjected to unusually intense scrutiny? I would think that of course it will.
All applicants' maturity is under intense scrutiny. Regardless of age, if you don't have significant clinical experience, that's a red flag. Regardless of age, if you can't reasonably articulate why you want to go to med school, that's a red flag. Regardless of age, if you show signs of inability to cope appropriately under intense stress, that's a red flag. Regardless of age, if you have an inconsistent academic record that suggests you might flunk out of school or not pass the boards, that's a red flag. Regardless of age, if you seem to only think about yourself and demonstrate no interest in entering a service profession at least in part to serve others, that's a red flag.

There are people of all ages who have one or more of these red flags. The OP's age itself is *not* the red flag here.
 
Regardless of age, if you don't have significant clinical experience, that's a red flag. Regardless of age, if you can't reasonably articulate why you want to go to med school, that's a red flag. Regardless of age, if you show signs of inability to cope appropriately under intense stress, that's a red flag. Regardless of age, if you have an inconsistent academic record that suggests you might flunk out of school or not pass the boards, that's a red flag. Regardless of age, if you seem to only think about yourself and demonstrate no interest in entering a service profession at least in part to serve others, that's a red flag.

I didn't suggest otherwise.

The OP's age itself is *not* the red flag here.

This is where we disagree - or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. If an adcom receives an application from a 25 year old, and an 18 year old, you don't think that the adcom is going to be looking for more explicit reassurance as to the applicant's maturity in the case of the 18 year old? A 15 year old applying to college will have their emotional and social readiness questioned more closely than will an 18 year old. Are you saying the same is not true for medical schools?
 
Last summer (or was it 2 summers ago?) I worked/volunteered with a 19 year old who had just finished MS1. As far as I could tell, he was not extraordinarily mature for his age. From all the hints he dropped, I got the impression he was not emotionally ready to cope with the stresses of med school. In fact, he had a nervous breakdown at the end of the summer, right around the time he was supposed to head back to school.

But to answer the OP, he complained about a lot of things but being mistreated by his classmates wasn't one of them. So I assume it wasn't an issue. Good luck!
 
This is where we disagree - or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. If an adcom receives an application from a 25 year old, and an 18 year old, you don't think that the adcom is going to be looking for more explicit reassurance as to the applicant's maturity in the case of the 18 year old? A 15 year old applying to college will have their emotional and social readiness questioned more closely than will an 18 year old. Are you saying the same is not true for medical schools?
Perhaps we are not meaning the same thing when we each say that something is a "red flag." I will explain what that phrase means to me.

When I read applications or interview applicants, I have a checklist of specific qualifications that I am trying to evaluate. For example, is there evidence that the applicant is academically prepared for a medical school curriculum? Does s/he show evidence of concern for the welfare of others (often shown by volunteer activities)? Have some knowledge of what a physician's job entails (often shown by shadowing, clinical volunteering, etc.)? Have the ability to acknowledge his/her weaknesses and take steps to correct them (for example, adjusting study habits after a poor first semester and getting good grades from then on)? Demonstrate an ability to work well with others in a team setting? Leadership ability? Coping ability for stressful situations? And so on.

Some applicants show ample evidence for having all these qualities, and those are the ones that we most want to matriculate at our school. Some applicants show evidence for some of these things, and give us nothing to go on either way for others. Those are people we try to learn more about. Some applicants have glaring evidence that they obviously lack one or more of these qualifications. *Those* are the people who have red flags. To relate this directly to the OP's example, being 17 years old is not a red flag. Being immature, however, *is* a red flag, regardless of the applicant's age.

At my school, we consider applicants over age 30 to be "nontraditional." However, we do not give these applicants bonus points for maturity simply because of their age. We still evaluate the maturity of nontrad candidates just as we would for traditional candidates. Conversely, we do not deduct maturity points from a younger candidate merely for being a teenager. Both candidates will be evaluated as to whether they are mature enough for medical school. Now, if you are arguing that, on average, a 17-year-old is not as mature as a 25-year-old, we are in agreement. If you are arguing that a 17-year-old is more likely to have a red flag for immaturity than a 25-year-old, then again, we are in agreement. But that tells us nothing about any specific applicant's maturity.

It is interesting that so many nontrads are convinced that teens would inherently be unfit for medical school because they are too immature. First, consider that in most countries (outside of the US and Canada), medical students normally matriculate as teens. Very few countries require a BS/BA before admission to med school like we do. Second, the vast majority of Americans do not finish their college degrees as teenagers. I think we can agree that the few who do are exceptional among their peers. This does not guarantee that they are necessarily mature enough for medical school, but they are certainly not the norm for their age. Finally, I think it is easy for nontrads to project a little. What I mean is, many of *us* were not mature enough at the OP's age to have gone to medical school. Some of us partied our way through high school/college and were academically underqualified. Some of us were too high strung and emotionally underqualified. (I would fall into that category.) Some of us just weren't interested in medicine or science at that age and lacked any clinical exposure. It's easy to assume that all teens must be like we were at their age.

I'll leave you with one parting thought. There are literally hundreds of threads in this forum populated with thousands of posts by nontrads wringing their hands at the thought that some albatross from 10+ years ago might prevent an adcom from giving them a chance. They want adcoms to evaluate them holistically, to give them credit for who they are today. All of us who are nontrads can identify with that feeling, that desire to get a fighting chance to make our case. How, then, can we justify denying the same opportunity we rightly demand for ourselves to a teen applicant, merely because s/he is a teenager?
 
It seems like you are defining a red-flag as something that stands out after some analysis - I see age as similar to low gpa in the sense that it can cause problems even before a cursory look is given to an application.

I define a red-flag as a signal that draws attention to a possible problem. Ie. you see it, and you investigate more closely. Whether the problem turns out to be a problem for you (as an individual) or not, it's an attention-getting cautionary thing. Since we both agree that on average a younger student will not be as mature as an older student, then that's why I say it's a red-flag.

For example, a committee would probably expect to see LOR emphasizing the applicant's maturity when it comes to a 17 yo applicant. The committee may not give "maturity points" to a 35 y/o applicant, but they probably also wouldn't be looking to them to explicitly prove their maturity per se (preparation and dedication perhaps would be emphasized instead).

Anyway, the OP asked if it could be perceived as a weakness, and I would still say that's the case. Hopefully they can prove that in their case it isn't a weakness.

I'll leave you with one parting thought. There are literally hundreds of threads in this forum populated with thousands of posts by nontrads wringing their hands at the thought that some albatross from 10+ years ago might prevent an adcom from giving them a chance. They want adcoms to evaluate them holistically, to give them credit for who they are today. All of us who are nontrads can identify with that feeling, that desire to get a fighting chance to make our case. How, then, can we justify denying the same opportunity we rightly demand for ourselves to a teen applicant, merely because s/he is a teenager?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I in no way suggested that adcoms should not give younger applicants a chance to show them what they've got. I simply said that I think generally speaking it'll be something they'll have to address as a possible weakness. I didn't say anything about the OP's personal readiness, much less teenagers in general - I think you might be doing a little projecting yourself at the moment. 🙂 The main reason I interjected into the thread was that many of the responses were along the lines of "I know a young kid who got in, so you'll be fine."

ChairmanMao said:
You're fine - don't worry... If you go to the AAMC website and search for demographic information, you will find that every year, there are a couple of hundred students below the age of 20 who get into medical school. I know that the youngest person to get accepted to medical school was a 13 year old Japenese kid who got accepted to the MD/PhD program at UChicago a few years ago - so I don't see any problems with you getting in.

Perfect example of a response that involves extreme over-generalization.
 
check out the posts of a sdn'er named raryn and his MDapps.
 
I can't speak directly to your question, but some tangential thoughts.
I started college just before I turned 16 (as a regular student at a state school), and I definitely struggled with the social aspect, although the work was definitely not a problem. I took a year off last year and that, combined with finally being within the normal age range for college students has significantly improved my experience.

When I first started college I was looking at starting med school 6 months from now. While I probably would have been fine, I think that the additional life experience and social maturity I've gained (and will gain the next couple of years) will significantly improve my med school experience, and everything else.

Basically I would recommend taking at least a year off to do something fun. You're younger than average so you aren't "losing" time by doing it. Go to Africa, bike across Europe, or just move out and live on your own for a while (I'm guessing you may have gone the live at home while going to college route). Once you start med school the opportunities to escape and experience something new seem to be a lot more limited.
 
It seems like you are defining a red-flag as something that stands out after some analysis - I see age as similar to low gpa in the sense that it can cause problems even before a cursory look is given to an application.
I disagree that age is similar to GPA, simply because *any* student with a prohibitively low GPA (say, under 3.0) has a 100% likelihood of having had some significant academic difficulty at some point during their college career. Thus, as soon as I see that GPA, all doubt is removed on this point. Investigation may show this poor record to be far in the past and since mitigated by a much better academic record. But a low GPA will always be a red flag that merits investigation. However, a 17-year-old applicant does not have a 100% chance of being too immature for medical school. Just from knowing that someone is 17, I do *not* have the ability to automatically conclude that s/he must be immature in the same way.

I define a red-flag as a signal that draws attention to a possible problem. Ie. you see it, and you investigate more closely. Whether the problem turns out to be a problem for you (as an individual) or not, it's an attention-getting cautionary thing.
Agree.

Since we both agree that on average a younger student will not be as mature as an older student, then that's why I say it's a red-flag.
I disagree, as explained above.

For example, a committee would probably expect to see LOR emphasizing the applicant's maturity when it comes to a 17 yo applicant. The committee may not give "maturity points" to a 35 y/o applicant, but they probably also wouldn't be looking to them to explicitly prove their maturity per se (preparation and dedication perhaps would be emphasized instead).
Again, *every* candidate must prove their maturity. The nontrad's LORs would hopefully emphasize that s/he was mature as well. Even if the LOR doesn't contain the exact word "mature," the preparation and dedication you mentioned speak to this quality. For example, it is not mature for a person in their mid-thirties to change careers with no investigation of what the new career entails, nor to go into a postbac half-a**ed and earn lackluster grades. And yet, as amazing as that may seem to you and me, some of them do. It is not mature for nontrads to expect special treatment (say, for example, science PhDs who feel that our pre-reqs shouldn't apply to them), and yet some of them do. (This obviously doesn't apply to applicants who ask for pre-req waivers and get them granted.) It is not mature for nontrads to come to the interview and dominate the lunchtime discussion or be disrespectful to the medical student volunteers and admissions staff, and yet some of them do. You get the picture here.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I in no way suggested that adcoms should not give younger applicants a chance to show them what they've got. I simply said that I think generally speaking it'll be something they'll have to address as a possible weakness. I didn't say anything about the OP's personal readiness, much less teenagers in general - I think you might be doing a little projecting yourself at the moment. 🙂
Are you telling me that you don't think you fit into any of those categories? If you don't have poor UG grades, didn't consider medicine as a college student, and/or weren't too immature yourself (and you don't mind sharing), why then are you a nontrad in your 30s?

The main reason I interjected into the thread was that many of the responses were along the lines of "I know a young kid who got in, so you'll be fine."
Several people also mentioned younger students they knew who crashed and burned. There are many anecdotes on both sides posted in this thread, which I think you and I agree do not add up to facts. 🙂
 
I am so jealous of the OP. I don't even want to think of all the time I've wasted during these past few years. I would give up my right arm for a chance to take the pre-reqs at a JC during my highschool years and apply at 17.
 
I think that med schools are going to be concerned about whether or not you're mature enough for med school and a career in medicine-- you're going to have to prove this to them.

As others have said, I would make damned sure that this is what you want to do-- you are sooooo young. I wasn't even sure if I wanted to go to college at your age, let alone med school. I think you said that you didn't have a lot of clinical experience; I would make sure that I got plenty to ensure myself and adcoms that I at least had a clue as to what I was getting into before I gave up the rest of my youth.

Why do you want to do this now? Why not wait a few years and do something else like travel, teach, or try another career? This is so hard, and although there is time for other things, you don't really get to live like a normal person the way everyone else does-- everything changes after med school. You have these wonderful years ahead of you that you're missing out on by starting med school so early where you get the chance to just go out and have fun, explore different options, get laid, get drunk, and be normal. Med school will always be there when you're ready for it.
 
I am so jealous of the OP. I don't even want to think of all the time I've wasted during these past few years. I would give up my right arm for a chance to take the pre-reqs at a JC during my highschool years and apply at 17.

Yes, it's too bad you didn't hurry up at 17 so you could work your ass off earlier, miss out on a bunch of fun experiences during your youth so you could get yelled at by everyone in med school and residency and feel like crap all the time.
 
......genius......
Meh, "genius" is overrated. It's pretty common, actually. In fact, if you were to walk through elementary class rooms of about 35 students each, you'd find yourself a genius in every other classroom. It's only as good as you do with it though. Genius means nothing at a young age unless you have (1) parents that nurture your intellectual growth and (2) personal dedication to intellectual growth.
 
Oy, I feel like we're debating semantics at this point. I think the spirit of your argument is valid, and hopefully you agree regarding mine.

Are you telling me that you don't think you fit into any of those categories? If you don't have poor UG grades, didn't consider medicine as a college student, and/or weren't too immature yourself (and you don't mind sharing), why then are you a nontrad in your 30s?

You lost me. What does my status in those categories have to do with what I said? (I fit categories 1 and 3.) I never suggested teenagers' applications shouldn't be considered in their entirety. Something you've been misunderstanding about my POV all along is that I'm not commenting on what adcoms SHOULD do, I'm commenting on what I think they DO do (and not so much as ADCOMs specifically, but as people) - which is to question a teenager's maturity more than that of a person in their 30s. The OP asked what we thought the ADCOMs would do. That's what I answered. That has nothing to do with projecting, it has everything to do with logic (a teenager hasn't had the advantage of time to mature), and experience (having served on the academic review board at my undergrad, for one).*

And just to say it one more time - I'm not saying teenagers or older folk as individuals don't regularly defy expectations, I'm talking about general perceptions. Which, unfortunately, are a part of this process - to suggest they aren't seems overly idealistic.

* Please don't construe this as claiming my experience is more valid. Not trying to go down that path either.
 
Lacheln said:
You lost me. What does my status in those categories have to do with what I said? (I fit categories 1 and 3.) I never suggested teenagers' applications shouldn't be considered in their entirety. Something you've been misunderstanding about my POV all along is that I'm not commenting on what adcoms SHOULD do, I'm commenting on what I think they DO do (and not so much as ADCOMs specifically, but as people) - which is to question a teenager's maturity more than that of a person in their 30s. The OP asked what we thought the ADCOMs would do. That's what I answered. That has nothing to do with projecting, it has everything to do with logic (a teenager hasn't had the advantage of time to mature), and experience (having served on the academic review board at my undergrad, for one).*

And just to say it one more time - I'm not saying teenagers or older folk as individuals don't regularly defy expectations, I'm talking about general perceptions. Which, unfortunately, are a part of this process - to suggest they aren't seems overly idealistic.
I don't think I've misunderstood; I just don't agree with you that young age is a "red flag" as I've defined it above. That's not the same thing. 🙂

I'm rather amused that you're calling my position "idealistic." I am a person on an adcom, and I am telling you what I do in practice (which is hopefully also what I should do ideally). I guess what I would say is that it is true that some of the specific issues being considered when assessing someone's maturity are different depending on their age. So in that sense, we do agree. It's just not true IMO that young applicants get an "extra" scrutiny of their maturity that older applicants don't get. Certain aspects of how someone's maturity is being assessed may be different based on age, but the underlying theme of assessing every applicant's maturity is a constant.

Oy, I feel like we're debating semantics at this point. I think the spirit of your argument is valid, and hopefully you agree regarding mine.
Sorry. :laugh:

Is it safe for me to assume that you're Jewish? 😀
 
To the OP -1) don't get too excited till you get that MCAT, and 2) go for it. If you know it's what you want, don't get hung up on what you think others will think. The worst case scenario is you get rejected and you have to pay the fees to apply again later. Big deal.

I also wouldn't push too hard about taking time to be sure. See, it's funny, because I feel that way about 25 year old CPAs who want to dive in, because they have something to lose by giving years of life to the medicine machine. But you're 17. You'll be able to prescribe around the same time you'll be allowed to buy beer. If you decide it's not really for you, you'll have plenty of time to go off and do something different in your 30's, 40's, etc. If you were motivated enough to complete a degree by now, you'll be able to handle the work load, IF you want to.
:luck:
 
Being young isn't a problem:

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Being young isn't a problem:

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Well, if you consider what he became in the Harld and Kumar movies, you'd rethink that. 🙂

Schools do focus in on maturity in the application process, and folks who are extremely young often need to overcome some assumptions about their maturity level. Med school involves dealing with emotionally trying things like death and disease, things that are generally better handled by folks who have been around a bit longer. And it tends to be a very difficult 4 years for someone still coming of age in terms of socialization -- all those posts talking about folks "losing their 20s" are doubly true of folks starting before this. These formative years aren't necessarily the best ones to spend in the library or wards. Finally, older patients tend to complain when even their 24 year old doctors look too young, so hospitals need to brace for an earful if they admit a younger teen.

All of this can be overcome by the right applicant. But the AVERAGE person of this age group isn't appropriate for med school. So it is a red flag at some places and is a disadvantage because it comes with presumptions you have to overcome. The good thing is that being too young is something that fixes itself with patience. I personally would advise someone not yet 17 to either pick up a masters before med school, or apply for a PhD/MD path, because the more life experience you have before you hit the wards, the better.
 
I've known a lot of people older than 17 who are a lot less mature than some 17-year-olds. The red flag might be lack of clinical experiences. Maybe a year off would be wise if you can get some solid experience in clinical medicine. I'm a young career switcher (teacher) who started working as a sixteen-year-old, and I spent some time getting experience (teaching in Africa) before launching into a full-time career. I think that the time off helped me to get the life experience that older teachers had and made me better at my job. If you do have some real clinical experience, go for it. Just be sure to hit on your motivation for the career and that experience in your personal statement and at interviews.
 
Didn't mean to ignore this response, sorry.

I don't think I've misunderstood; I just don't agree with you that young age is a "red flag" as I've defined it above. That's not the same thing. 🙂


Yes, we both explained what we meant by red-flag, we defined it somewhat differently, and I was trying to suggest we had common ground, hoping that it was a misunderstanding. But I'll take you at your word that we don't, and it wasn't.

I'm rather amused that you're calling my position "idealistic." I am a person on an adcom, and I am telling you what I do in practice (which is hopefully also what I should do ideally).

And you are also saying that this is not only what you do in practice, but what most adcom members do as well? If so, med school adcoms are different from the other decisive bodies I've encountered in my work and academic worlds, which is probably why I am finding it so difficult to believe that adcoms don't question the maturity of a 17 y/o more than they do a 25 y/o. It simply doesn't match up with my experience, both as an unusually young applicant/student/employee, and as a review board member/hiring manager. At all. I don't question that it's what you do though.

Is it safe for me to assume that you're Jewish? 😀

No. Just trying to bring humor to an irritating, circular discussion? My family is german in heritage and throws around yiddish for some unknown reason, which I didn't realize was odd for a blond hick from the mountains until I moved east and encountered actual jews for the first time. We kvetched, we schmeered, we kvelled, it was love at first sight.

Anyway, I don't think I've got much more to contribute, I've said what I have to say. As always, I hope every individual applicant is able to jump their own particular hurdles. Good luck OP!
 
Colorado had a 17 yr old accepted I believe last year.

They also rejected both me and my friend straight out (no waitlist and then rejection, just a flat rejection). We were both 20 at the time and were finishing up our degrees in three years. And the freshman class then had one person who just barely turned 21 when school started. Youngin's certainly aren't common.

While nobody questions that the person is a genius and was probably more accomplished at 12 than most of us will ever be, nobody really thinks this person will be a good doctor... both because of lack of maturity and social skills and because patients don't and won't respect teenage doctors.

I can't wait to see what people think of me when I become a doctor. I'm 21 now, and people look at me and think I'm 16. One of the nurses I work with always laments about how I make him feel old, simply because I look so young. My mom looks to be just slightly older than me when she dyes her hair, so I doubt I'm going to look that much older when I become licensed. But, in my current job, I get respect, so I don't see why someone wouldn't respect me even though I look young.

OP, I say this from the bottom of my heart. Medicine is career that involves a long, twisting road to get to. If you truly want to do it, go for it. The worst that can happen is that you'll be rejected. But, I highly suggest you take a year or two off from school.

You're probably thinking that you don't want to take that break, that it may be right for some people, but you're just ready to move on. I was the same way two years ago when I was entering this process for the first time. I scoffed at people who said they had taken a year or two off and had just done some things they wanted to do. And now that I'm coming off a year nearly free from school, I can really see what they mean. My year off certainly hasn't been glamorous, but I'm really glad that I don't have to deal with medical school right now and that I have the time to do more important things.

There's also the cost to consider. The process of applying for medical school is expensive. I spent $2500 last time, and I only stayed in one hotel while interviewing and only applied (with secondaries) to 7 schools. The average cost is around $4500, give or take. If you don't have that in savings, you might want to take a year off just to save up. It's some serious business.
 

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