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If you consider yourself an underdog, perhaps a non-trad (me), with a crappy or so-so GPA (me), but think you've got a legitimate shot at getting in this year, POST.

There are so many damn "what are my chances" threads I think it appropriate to found an underdog thread - when May 2006 rolls around we can dig this sucker up for the class of 2011 underdogs - show them that perhaps it's not hopeless.

I'll start with this...

Then I'll add that my top pick is Wake. I really like the school and Baptist hospital, plus the community is great for an old fart like me. I guess they screen AMCAS before offering secondaries - and I got one, it's not much but it offers a little hope.

Anyway.

I'm also applying DO, because after much thought, the DOs I've known and worked with are indisdinguishable from MDs. Still hammering out which schools, but my app is just about done.

Good luck to all of us :luck:

:horns:
 
i am definitely an underdog this cycle.
 
I feel like an underdog. No one in my family knows anything about medicine or what it takes to be a doctor, not even me. I wish found SDN earlier, instead of 4 months ago.

Now when secondaries ask:
"How have you helped someone?" "What attributes make you standout?"
"Tell us more about you."

I have nothing to write.
 
I'm an underdog, too! YAY!

My MCAT scores are less than stellar, which probably explains why I got rejected from Wake pre-secondary. Congrats on getting that far, LabMonster! Lucky for you, a lot of the screening schools reject/accept based on MCAT, not GPA. My GPA is fine (3.5ish), but the 28R looks pretty crappy compared to all of the 34+'s I see on here.

I have plenty of great clinical and research experiences, though, so hopefully they will carry me through this process. Otherwise, I'm gonna start using SDN as a dating service and will marry one of you successful fellows 😉
 
Dr.Giggles said:
I feel like an underdog. No one in my family knows anything about medicine or what it takes to be a doctor, not even me. I wish found SDN earlier, instead of 4 months ago.

Now when secondaries ask:
"How have you helped someone?" "What attributes make you standout?"
"Tell us more about you."

I have nothing to write.

a 34 on mcat and a 3.8 gpa is not underdog. lol thats almost a sure bet to SOMEWHERE cuz you are from hopkins. but i guess this entire process humbles the shiet out of us.
 
I'm an underdog, because of a low GPA. I've got a high MCAT, but it makes applying scary.
 
MoosePilot said:
I'm an underdog, because of a low GPA. I've got a high MCAT, but it makes applying scary.

ditto. I have no undergrad GPA at all, except for a few classes not taken at my main institution. My state schools screen based on GPA, so I requested that the schools waive the minimum GPA requirement and/or accept my graduate GPA in lieu of the undergrad. Plus I'm non-trad.
 
QofQuimica said:
ditto. I have no undergrad GPA at all, except for a few classes not taken at my main institution. My state schools screen based on GPA, so I requested that the schools waive the minimum GPA requirement and/or accept my graduate GPA in lieu of the undergrad. Plus I'm non-trad.

It's hard to think of you as an underdog. It's almost a guarantee that you'll have the highest MCAT wherever you go. I imagine schools like superlatives like "top MCAT score achieved during her test administration" (tied for first, of course)
 
MoosePilot said:
It's hard to think of you as an underdog. It's almost a guarantee that you'll have the highest MCAT wherever you go. I imagine schools like superlatives like "top MCAT score achieved during her test administration" (tied for first, of course)

Undercat with low GPA here...I'm studying for the MCAT and I'd love to have an MCAT score remove me from the category!!
 
MoosePilot said:
I'm an underdog, because of a low GPA. I've got a high MCAT, but it makes applying scary.

I'm with you, Moose. Low GPA, high MCAT. The GPA is giving me a lot of insecurity about this whole process! Especially when I read about others having already received secondaries to places I also applied to. I really have to stop reading the pre-allo forum!
 
At least everyone in this process can take comfort in the fact that the choices adcoms make are so beyond our understanding, that every underdog has a decent shot at something.

Or, conversely, a good shot at nothing. Here's to getting some sleep over the next few months! Good luck fellow underdogs!!!
 
I would call myself an underdog/undercat. 😀 I'm a reapplicant trying to bring up my MCAT score in a few weeks. My gpa is okay at 3.6, but I think my MCAT score is going to hurt me.

I also was a non-science double major, so I"m struggling with the Chem/Physics side of the MCAT. Hopefully come October I'll be able to post and let ya'll know how much I brought my MCAT score up.

I don't have an mdapplicants profile, but I guess I should make one one of these days.
 
Definitely an underdog, non-trad here. Except I happen to be the exact opposite of most of ya'll. I have a pretty average GPA, I had two D's my freshman year, cuz we'll, I just didn't care about school, unfortunately they were in Chem and Calc II....so BCMP took a major hit there. Took them both over and got A's, so....hopefully they'll see that. But my MCAT score sucks in a most serious way. 26R. Thing is, I know that I know the stuff, and I know that I could kick it's ass if I really tried, but I was so scared of trying my ass off and doing poorly, that I just didn't try. Of course, I didn't realize that was what I was doing until about oh....lemme see.....2 weeks ago? for the April MCAT. So.....I'm going to do my best this cycle, see what happens, and if need be I'll retake it again in April and this time, I'll actually do what I need to do and not tuck tail and run. I wish everyone the very, very best and I hope everyone gets in where they want to go! At this point I'll go anywhere that will take me! I only applied to TX schools (except Baylor), cuz I'm a tx resident.....so hopefully that, along with my EC's and "life experience" will help me out! Thanks for starting this thread.....I think it's great idea! 😀
 
i'm in the low gpa/high mcat club as well. non-trad, post-bac. i still think my chances are good as long as i can get a few schools to interview me...i tend to do well in interviews, so if i can get the chance to talk to these adcoms face to face, i think i have a good chance of getting at least a couple acceptances...i think all of us underdogs do...it's got a lot to do with confidence too, so we just gotta keep the faith 😀
 
trishaaa said:
I'm an underdog, too! YAY!

My MCAT scores are less than stellar, which probably explains why I got rejected from Wake pre-secondary. Congrats on getting that far, LabMonster! Lucky for you, a lot of the screening schools reject/accept based on MCAT, not GPA. My GPA is fine (3.5ish), but the 28R looks pretty crappy compared to all of the 34+'s I see on here.

I have plenty of great clinical and research experiences, though, so hopefully they will carry me through this process. Otherwise, I'm gonna start using SDN as a dating service and will marry one of you successful fellows 😉


Hey Trishaa,

I have the exact same stats as you!!! Yay to us!!! Good luck and hopefully we will hear some good news!
 
underdog checking in. not-so-stellar gpa..
 
I wanna join too....Very unremarkable GPA and MCAT score.
 
Just a reminder to those of us that haven't (including myself) to create an mdapps profile to encourage future underdogs and show off all of our future acceptances 🙂
 
this thread is just another example of the brainwashing and needless hysteria that goes on in these forums.

3.8 and 34 MCAT = underdog? that only puts you in about the top 10% of APPLICANTS. maybe higher. give me a break.
 
I'm too shy to post my stats - nothing spectacular to see here in terms of numbers (but nothing too crappy either). Hoping schools can see numbers aren't everything, but what *made* those numbers is important and *this* person is so much more than the sum of their parts. ooooooooooodles of life experience here.
 
I think you are all being too hard on yourself. I stand by my reasoning that SDN is not an accurate representation of med school applicants. It seems like most people on here have at least a 30 MCAT (and sometimes it seems like they all have 36+). The national average of people matriculated at med schools is usually around a 29 or 30. This means that a good proportion of people who score below a 29 get accepted! I will admit that a 25 or 26 is not the best score in the world, but it seems like a lot of the people who have those scores tend to have GPA's to balance it out, or at least a lot of volunteer/clinical/ECs to help their cause. Also, just because someone scored a 40 on the MCAT does not guarantee them admission anywhere. They could have an awful personality, which would definitely show through come interview time. So cheer up "underdogs". I think you all have a great chance of getting accepted at a US med school.
 
beponychick said:
Hey Trishaa,

I have the exact same stats as you!!! Yay to us!!! Good luck and hopefully we will hear some good news!

I'll see you at some interviews (*fingers crossed*), beponychick!
 
trishaaa said:
I'll see you at some interviews (*fingers crossed*), beponychick!


what is your top choice?
 
So after a week of reading SDN, I have finally decided to make a post, because I am shocked by how ridiculous some of these replies are. I suggest that the people posting with any MCAT score over 30, and any GPA over 3.3, should seek a better mental mental grasp of their situation. I would be happy to introduce any "underdog" to a number of my friends with MCATs of 26, or GPAs below 3.0. It's very humbling to talk to them, and you'll realize just how lucky you are to have a great shot to realize your dream, whereas they are hanging by a thread. Isn't the AVERAGE MCAT a 24? Does no one think about those people scoring at 24 and below?

As a Stanford grad, I am aware of the "pre-med mentality," and the self-inflicted anxiety that pervades almost all aspects of the undergrad experience. To those people with good stats searching for reassurance, I ask that you first think of how lucky you are to be in your situation, and have the scores you do. Stop looking at your negatives, and focus on your positives. That's what others are doing when they look at you...why aren't you strong enough to do it yourself?

Take away your insecurity, and this process will go much smoother. And I'll bet you'll be a happier person. You will have the rest of your life to spend in hospitals, learning about medicine. Spend what time you have now doing things you might later be unable to do. Your life right now is not just about getting into med school. Go enjoy yourself and find happiness away from the computer screen. You'll thank me for it later.
 
I am the underdogs underdog. Just beginning this treck and hopefully we all will look back at our post on SDN and think, wow, we made it. I know we will, keep the faith cuzins. See you all in med school!
Dan "the underdog man"
 
Uhg, this thread is silly
 
Reimat said:
Uhg, this thread is silly

Okay, I'm really annoyed at all of these negative posts and very disappointed - SDN is supposed to be an open and welcoming place.

Yes, perhaps the thread should be renamed "normal applicants" but on SDN, those with below 3.4 and <=30 MCAT are "underdogs". Yes the average MCAT of those taking it might be 24, but that's definitely not the average MCAT of matriculants.

Is it still possible for us to get in? Of course, that's why we're still applying.

How is this thread any sillier than the multitude of 3.9 / 36 MCAT people asking where they should get in, or the threads that ask about the minute details of the picture attached to the secondary? Is that just acceptable because it's the norm here?

Let people who feel like their stats are low have a place to post without feeling harassed and the rest of you can go back to guessing where all of those with great stats will get in.
 
I am an underdog because I applied once and didn't get in anywhere. I figure that automatically qualifies me. GPA ~3.0
 
pcarlson05 said:
So after a week of reading SDN, I have finally decided to make a post, because I am shocked by how ridiculous some of these replies are. I suggest that the people posting with any MCAT score over 30, and any GPA over 3.3, should seek a better mental mental grasp of their situation. I would be happy to introduce any "underdog" to a number of my friends with MCATs of 26, or GPAs below 3.0. It's very humbling to talk to them, and you'll realize just how lucky you are to have a great shot to realize your dream, whereas they are hanging by a thread. Isn't the AVERAGE MCAT a 24? Does no one think about those people scoring at 24 and below?

As a Stanford grad, I am aware of the "pre-med mentality," and the self-inflicted anxiety that pervades almost all aspects of the undergrad experience. To those people with good stats searching for reassurance, I ask that you first think of how lucky you are to be in your situation, and have the scores you do. Stop looking at your negatives, and focus on your positives. That's what others are doing when they look at you...why aren't you strong enough to do it yourself?

Take away your insecurity, and this process will go much smoother. And I'll bet you'll be a happier person. You will have the rest of your life to spend in hospitals, learning about medicine. Spend what time you have now doing things you might later be unable to do. Your life right now is not just about getting into med school. Go enjoy yourself and find happiness away from the computer screen. You'll thank me for it later.


I'd like to think that I don't have the pre-med mentality (i.e. self-inflicted anxiety). I actually get a sense of calm when I visit this site, believe it or not. It's something for me to do during my lunch break when I'm not busy working through them. I don't come on here to compare or cringe when I see other ppl's high stats. I just discovered this site last month, and it's a great way for me to communicate with other people in my situation. I've been out of school for a few years and don't get to associate with pre-meds (my few pre-med friends from college went to med school straight from undergrad. I wanted to work first). All I know is that I do my best and I can't ask for anything more than that. I'm a pretty happy person (besides the fact that I hate my job...see my previous [and my only] post).
 
pcarlson05 said:
Go enjoy yourself and find happiness away from the computer screen. You'll thank me for it later.

Ditto...you're only as much of an underdog as you think you are. Reading the forums where people post their stats is intimidating because most of them are bragging about outstanding stats, which skews the perceived averages because most of us with mere human stats dont want to look inferior to those curve breakers. I'm damned proud of my 3.3 gpa because I worked my butt off for it and didn't lose my soul in the process of attaining it. I hope you all realize that a 34 on the MCAT sticks you in between the top 91 and 94% of people taking the test...not average at all. I dont want to go to Harvard or Yale, UMass is fine for me, I just want in somewhere.

If anyone cracks open the first section of the MSAR (before the drool marked school info pages), there's a bunch of graphs of GPA and MCAT scores and other stats for accepted and rejected students. Take a look at those and realize that at 3.6 and 30 the lines for accepted and not accepted intersect, meaning that you're just as likely to be rejected as accepted to SOME medical school as not to. If you look to the left of those numbers, there are people accepted to medical school! so dont give up hope! and if you're to the right of those points and need the verification of a stupid SDN post to give you the confidence to apply, you have some serious confidence issues. There is always next year and if you bail after one unsuccessful application cycle, you werent meant to be a physician anyway. There are plenty of physicians that tried a second or third time and got in and are moving along through their careers just perfectly fine.

And PCarlson, there's a vast majority of people on SDN that dont think about anyone but numero uno.
 
With regard to my last post, again, try to look at the positive rather than the negative. I believe that most of you are missing my point.
 
i am a TRUE underdog!!
i have a 25, a 3.4 from UCLA,but have been working for one of the best gyn-oncs in nation for the past two years and have two publications in ovarian CA research.
i think im possessed when i think i have a shot at med school in the U,S ! but i think i deserve to give it a try atleast cos when i moved from pakistan four years ago, i didnt even know how to use a computer!!!!!!!!!!! 😱 😱

so i think i have come a long way, and need to try it atleast!
 
And by the way:
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YOU CAN DO IT!
 
Dr.Giggles said:
I feel like an underdog. No one in my family knows anything about medicine or what it takes to be a doctor, not even me. I wish found SDN earlier, instead of 4 months ago.

Now when secondaries ask:
"How have you helped someone?" "What attributes make you standout?"
"Tell us more about you."

I have nothing to write.

Read your stats on mdapp...and how do you figure you're an underdog with those scores?...
 
CoffeeCat said:
Okay, I'm really annoyed at all of these negative posts and very disappointed - SDN is supposed to be an open and welcoming place.

Yes, perhaps the thread should be renamed "normal applicants" but on SDN, those with below 3.4 and <=30 MCAT are "underdogs". Yes the average MCAT of those taking it might be 24, but that's definitely not the average MCAT of matriculants.

Is it still possible for us to get in? Of course, that's why we're still applying.

How is this thread any sillier than the multitude of 3.9 / 36 MCAT people asking where they should get in, or the threads that ask about the minute details of the picture attached to the secondary? Is that just acceptable because it's the norm here?

Let people who feel like their stats are low have a place to post without feeling harassed and the rest of you can go back to guessing where all of those with great stats will get in.

amen
 
borderline underdog but i have mad respect for this thread. big ups to all of yall.

sci gpa: 3.23
avg gpa: 3.54
mcat: 32R
amcas processed today...

i think its all about being realistic in where you apply. i only applied to one top 30 school. i'm not too nervous at all...just taking it day by day. apparently if you apply early and stay on top of your **** you have a good chance no matter what. keep rockin and rollin.
-mota
 
wow, i agree entirely that most of the "underdogs" in this string of posts need a reality check... My gpa is decent but means very little from a lackluster public university and a 30T MCAT (*winces at the sight of that 8 in VR*...) Nevertheless, I even hesitate to define myself as an "underdog" but next to some of you gals & guys, I'll be lucky to have a prayer's chance!

Alright, enough of my pity-party! If I don't get in somewhere this go around, there's always next year and next April's MCAT to retake, I suppose! 😀

Good luck to all (especially the real underdogs on SDN)! 👍
 
jbrice1639 said:
i'm in the low gpa/high mcat club as well. non-trad, post-bac. i still think my chances are good as long as i can get a few schools to interview me...i tend to do well in interviews, so if i can get the chance to talk to these adcoms face to face, i think i have a good chance of getting at least a couple acceptances...i think all of us underdogs do...it's got a lot to do with confidence too, so we just gotta keep the faith 😀

are you limited in where you can go for schools? i'd add a few more "safeties">
 
CoffeeCat said:
Okay, I'm really annoyed at all of these negative posts and very disappointed - SDN is supposed to be an open and welcoming place.

Yes, perhaps the thread should be renamed "normal applicants" but on SDN, those with below 3.4 and <=30 MCAT are "underdogs". Yes the average MCAT of those taking it might be 24, but that's definitely not the average MCAT of matriculants.

Is it still possible for us to get in? Of course, that's why we're still applying.

How is this thread any sillier than the multitude of 3.9 / 36 MCAT people asking where they should get in, or the threads that ask about the minute details of the picture attached to the secondary? Is that just acceptable because it's the norm here?

I didn't mean to be harsh- I agree with most of what you said. The people with perfect scores who create threads actually annoy me- I think they do it because they are arrogant. This thread isn't a bad thing, it's just silly because in my opinion most people who posted here will get into medical school.

CoffeeCat said:
Let people who feel like their stats are low have a place to post without feeling harassed and the rest of you can go back to guessing where all of those with great stats will get in.

That's the thing. On SDN, a person decides that in their opinion, their stats are low. Of course then they are free to post that they feel this way. All I did was voice my opinion. And it's a pretty positive one at that! 😀
 
The Theory of Underdogism states:

Never underestimate the power of the underdog

Good luck to everyone its our year.
 
pcarlson05 said:
With regard to my last post, again, try to look at the positive rather than the negative. I believe that most of you are missing my point.

i believe that looking at the positive was the point of this thread...this wasn't an "oh my god, i don't have a 45/4.0, i'll never get in anywhere," it was a thread about being a bit of an underdog but still being confident about getting into medical school. there's definitely no negativity in this thread because everyone who is posting here is talking about how maybe their gpa is lower than they'd like or their mcat is lower than they'd like, but they're all still applying AND all still confident that they'll be getting in somewhere...so it seems to be just a thread for those of us who are the best of the best of the best like so many of the people on sdn/mdapplicants, but we're all still happy enough with are numbers that we're confident about our applications.
 
exmike said:
are you limited in where you can go for schools? i'd add a few more "safeties">

in response to this, i actually gave this a lot of thought when i applied, but i don't think there are really any schools "safer" than my state schools...so anything out of state where i applied, i chose schools i was really interested in. otherwise, i think i've already chosen my safest schools, if there is such a thing. if anyone has any suggestions of other schools, i'd be happy to hear 'em though 😀
 
I have seen plenty of people with good MCAT but not-so-good GPA, but not many people with a somewhat decent GPA, but a bad MCAT score. I graduated with 3.75 from Bioengineering, but a 7,10,12,Q (vrb,phy,Bio). Anybody else in a similar situation?
 
LabMonster said:
If you consider yourself an underdog, perhaps a non-trad (me), with a crappy or so-so GPA (me), but think you've got a legitimate shot at getting in this year, POST.

There are so many damn "what are my chances" threads I think it appropriate to found an underdog thread - when May 2006 rolls around we can dig this sucker up for the class of 2011 underdogs - show them that perhaps it's not hopeless.

I'll start with this...

Then I'll add that my top pick is Wake. I really like the school and Baptist hospital, plus the community is great for an old fart like me. I guess they screen AMCAS before offering secondaries - and I got one, it's not much but it offers a little hope.

Anyway.

I'm also applying DO, because after much thought, the DOs I've known and worked with are indisdinguishable from MDs. Still hammering out which schools, but my app is just about done.

Good luck to all of us :luck:

:horns:


Thanks so much for starting this thread LabMonster. I am very much an underdog, mediocre GPA, average MCAT, and have been lurking on SDN for that reason. Glad to know I'm not the only one out there. 🙂
 
MoosePilot said:
It's hard to think of you as an underdog. It's almost a guarantee that you'll have the highest MCAT wherever you go. I imagine schools like superlatives like "top MCAT score achieved during her test administration" (tied for first, of course)

Well, if medical school acceptance is only dependent on MCAT scores, then no, I'm not an underdog. 😛 But it's not. Anyone thinking that having all perfect stats gives you some kind of open admission to medical school can talk to Wiggy about it. She has the best stats of any pre-med I've ever seen, and I've been teaching pre-meds for going on nine years now.

That being said, I'm not sure that I'd consider myself to be an "underdog" either. I'm kind of a bizarre applicant all around: yeah, I have the highest MCAT, but I also have the lowest GPA (zero), and from a school that many people have never heard of before. 😛 I definitely empathize with the people wondering whether they would get secondaries because their GPAs were too low to meet cutoffs. And since technically this is now my fourth time applying to medical school, I do think that I have some grounds to claim that I've faced an uphill battle. Granted, I didn't take my applications seriously enough as a high school or college student, but I am serious now, and the stakes are higher to me. I have more to lose at this point, because I care about going to medical school much more than I did as an adolescent.
 
QofQuimica said:
Well, if medical school acceptance is only dependent on MCAT scores, then no, I'm not an underdog. 😛 But it's not. Anyone thinking that having all perfect stats gives you some kind of open admission to medical school can talk to Wiggy about it. She has the best stats of any pre-med I've ever seen, and I've been teaching pre-meds for going on nine years now.

That being said, I'm not sure that I'd consider myself to be an "underdog" either. I'm kind of a bizarre applicant all around: yeah, I have the highest MCAT, but I also have the lowest GPA (zero), and from a school that many people have never heard of before. 😛 I definitely empathize with the people wondering whether they would get secondaries because their GPAs were too low to meet cutoffs. And since technically this is now my fourth time applying to medical school, I do think that I have some grounds to claim that I've faced an uphill battle. Granted, I didn't take my applications seriously enough as a high school or college student, but I am serious now, and the stakes are higher to me. I have more to lose at this point, because I care about going to medical school much more than I did as an adolescent.


Im confused, how is your GPA 0?
 
pcarlson05 said:
So after a week of reading SDN, I have finally decided to make a post, because I am shocked by how ridiculous some of these replies are. I suggest that the people posting with any MCAT score over 30, and any GPA over 3.3, should seek a better mental mental grasp of their situation. I would be happy to introduce any "underdog" to a number of my friends with MCATs of 26, or GPAs below 3.0. It's very humbling to talk to them, and you'll realize just how lucky you are to have a great shot to realize your dream, whereas they are hanging by a thread. Isn't the AVERAGE MCAT a 24? Does no one think about those people scoring at 24 and below?

As a Stanford grad, I am aware of the "pre-med mentality," and the self-inflicted anxiety that pervades almost all aspects of the undergrad experience. To those people with good stats searching for reassurance, I ask that you first think of how lucky you are to be in your situation, and have the scores you do. Stop looking at your negatives, and focus on your positives. That's what others are doing when they look at you...why aren't you strong enough to do it yourself?

Take away your insecurity, and this process will go much smoother. And I'll bet you'll be a happier person. You will have the rest of your life to spend in hospitals, learning about medicine. Spend what time you have now doing things you might later be unable to do. Your life right now is not just about getting into med school. Go enjoy yourself and find happiness away from the computer screen. You'll thank me for it later.


Actually I didnt read all the posts on this thread before I posted one myself. I think you have a point. But in reality I think we are all underdogs because admission into any school is very unpredictable. Everyone is as nervous as the next person. Even people with outstanding stats are (and rightfully so) nervous. The thing about it is that one must maintain their confidence and not let the stats of other people make them waiver. Its all about being a good salesman/woman. Your product is yourself. You can either sell yourself short or make a killing out there. Regardless of stats 2-3 opportunities exist to sell yourself - the AMCAS PS, the Secondary Essays and the almighty interview. Sometimes one gets you the next one.

So great or poor stats don't mean jack until you have at least one acceptance letter - then one has bragging rights.

Good luck to everyone
 
a TRUE underdog here. undergrad gpa = 3.28 (all Bs and Cs in science classes) and just flaked out of the August 2005 MCAT, taking it in April of '06 now and hopefully have a descent shot for even an interview!

What kind of MCAT score would give me a good shot with my LOW GPA?
 
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