Underserved population

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Would a mainly medicaid/medicare office be considered as treating the underserved? I checked HRSA and the location has a primary care shortage, but I'm more interested in the population visiting the clinic. Thanks!
 
The ones who are getting treatment are receiving services. The people who can't get an appointment or who don't qualify are underserved. Medicaid provides health care coverage for the poor. Medicare serves the elderly and some people with disabilities.

If you want to serve the poor, say so. But once you serve them they are no longer underserved.
 
The ones who are getting treatment are receiving services. The people who can't get an appointment or who don't qualify are underserved. Medicaid provides health care coverage for the poor. Medicare serves the elderly and some people with disabilities.

If you want to serve the poor, say so. But once you serve them they are no longer underserved.

How would you classify uninsured, homeless/sex workers/IV drug users/etc, recieving care at a free community clinic?

Even if they get some care I feel like they are still underserved, they aren't "non-served" just... under.
 
The ones who are getting treatment are receiving services. The people who can't get an appointment or who don't qualify are underserved. Medicaid provides health care coverage for the poor. Medicare serves the elderly and some people with disabilities.

If you want to serve the poor, say so. But once you serve them they are no longer underserved.

I disagree entirely with this post. I see plenty of patients, serve them adequately in my specialty, and they remain woefully underserved. This may be because the patient has social barriers to receiving the treatment I prescribe or because we can't find other specialty providers willing to treat the patient (or a number of other reasons).

If you are a primary care physician you face the burden of finding specialty providers who will treat your patients adequately.

I think you are correct in your assessment. Just be ready for a question like the one from the above poster when it comes time for an interview. Feel free to use my answer when you run up against the sentiment outlined above.
 
The ones who are getting treatment are receiving services. The people who can't get an appointment or who don't qualify are underserved. Medicaid provides health care coverage for the poor. Medicare serves the elderly and some people with disabilities.

If you want to serve the poor, say so. But once you serve them they are no longer underserved.

I don't know about this definition. I work at a soup kitchen for the homeless. Once I give someone a sandwich he no longer counts as underserved?
 
I disagree entirely with this post. I see plenty of patients, serve them adequately in my specialty, and they remain woefully underserved. This may be because the patient has social barriers to receiving the treatment I prescribe or because we can't find other specialty providers willing to treat the patient (or a number of other reasons).

If you are a primary care physician you face the burden of finding specialty providers who will treat your patients adequately.

I think you are correct in your assessment. Just be ready for a question like the one from the above poster when it comes time for an interview. Feel free to use my answer when you run up against the sentiment outlined above.
Thank you!
 
The feds have a technical definition. http://www.hrsa.gov/shortage/mua/ Basically, an area or population is underserved if there area not enough service providers to meet the population's needs.

I do agree that providers who have problems finding specialists to care for patients' serious problems are a problem.
 
The feds have a technical definition. http://www.hrsa.gov/shortage/mua/ Basically, an area or population is underserved if there area not enough service providers to meet the population's needs.

I do agree that providers who have problems finding specialists to care for patients' serious problems are a problem.

So if you serve an individual from an underserved community, that would make them served, but not effect the underserved status of their community, right?
 
My understanding is that undeserved = no care to access, whereas "unable to access existing care" is a separate issue.

The feds have a technical definition. http://www.hrsa.gov/shortage/mua/ Basically, an area or population is underserved if there area not enough service providers to meet the population's needs.

I do agree that providers who have problems finding specialists to care for patients' serious problems are a problem.

What happens if the area you serve in is actually a nice area? For example, like working in a soup kitchen or homeless shelter in the Upper East Side. Or an area that is neither glorious or really underserved like Queens.
 
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Would a mainly medicaid/medicare office be considered as treating the underserved? I checked HRSA and the location has a primary care shortage, but I'm more interested in the population visiting the clinic. Thanks!

Focus on the work you were doing, not the buzzwords associated with it.
 
While I don't know of any soup kitchens on the Upper East Side, it might be hard to find primary care providers in that area -- everyone is a specialist!

There are soup kitchens there actually. As a part of a church I believe. And there are PCPs at NYP and Lenox Hill and other private practices as well.
 
There are soup kitchens there actually. As a part of a church I believe. And there are PCPs at NYP and Lenox Hill and other private practices as well.
Stand corrected. Learning something new every day.

However, there are not enough PCP for the population in that area.
 
The point LizzyM is making (much better than me) is that the socioeconomic demographics of an area or population are irrelevant to the definition of "underserved." You can have a poor neighborhood that is not underserved. You can have a rich neighborhood that is underserved. The definition considers only available supply of medical providers, not patient characteristics.

Sorry, but I'm actually going to have to disagree here, and with @LizzyM, as rare as that is.

There's a reason the feds use infant mortality and poverty as a metric in their definition. What makes a population underserved is way way more complicated than just a ratio of doctors to population. Furthermore, it's not really "areas" that are important in talking about the underserved. It's populations that matter. Those can vary block by block or even house by house.

As a real life example, I have two patients in my clinic that I see regularly, both about the same age with similar issues. One lives 3 blocks east of my hospital, and one block north. The other lives 3 blocks east, and one block south. They both share the same bus stop, but the differences in their ability to access care couldn't be more stark. One works an administrative job at my institution, the other lives in a public housing project and worked minimum wage jobs until an accident put her on SSI. The latter has mobility issues and requires use of our city's awful paratransit system to get to appointment, which drops her off 3 hours before her appointment and picks her up an hour after it ends. She's also had issues getting her medications at our pharmacy 2/2 a very specific issue with our state's medicaid that was only corrected last year (which usually required me to deal with hour-long hold times on the phone...otherwise no meds). To make matters even more fun, her young adult son had a psychotic break 3 years ago and now gets taken advantage of by local street gangs which has put her own personal safety at risk, so she's not leaving the home much anymore except for her appointments... which as I said requires our sh-t paratransit system. The former can call a cab.

I'm available and could realistically schedule an appointment with either of them whenever they needed an appointment. It's not just an issue of access to me or any of the other MDs out there. The latter patient requires a much greater burden of resources (social work assistance, public services, etc) for the upkeep of very similar medical problems with very similar treatments. Delivery of medical care requires more than just doctors and nurses. It requires a functioning social structure, and in this day and age, there aren't many municipal and state governments capable of meeting the needs of these patients sufficiently*. I have countless other patients in similar or worse situations that I've had to close out this week now that I'm leaving my institution.

I'll go further to address the OP's original predicament.

The reason schools would like to see a commitment to and experience with the underserved isn't just because they want someone to open a clinic in a well-to do area that could use a new family doc to decrease an area's wait time for an initial appointment. If that was the case, why would schools care? Anyone could do that. It's because to put it bluntly and painfully, the truly underserved are underserved for a reason. Working with these communities that lack the resources to sustain the social needs of their inhabitants* requires far more personal effort and patience than with the patients who are similar to the people that assumedly you or I had as neighbors growing up. Quite simply, even though I enjoy the patients I work with and I think my residency did a great job putting me in this challenging environment to make me a better physician, sometimes working with them is just ....really...f-cking...draining. It's required a massive development of my own skills to get patients who've grown up sexually abused from the time they were 4, to later being homeless living as a prostitute as a teenager just to survive to trust my medical advice, and I think I've become quite good at it, but sometimes after hearing some of the things I hear even during a 20 minute appointment, I just want to come home, sit, drink a beer, and not think about anything at all. If you're the type of person who truly wants to dive into that, then that's worth more than a couple MCAT points to me.

*obviously I'm doing the urban thing, but from talking to people at the other ends of the spectrum, the challenges for rural populations aren't dissimilar.
 
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What part of these stories makes either person "medically underserved"? It seems like these people have a boatload of services when their doctor has an hour to spend on the phone on their behalf.

the harsh reality is, I don't. and coverage gaps happen often because of it. I have to give up my lunch hour, skip grand rounds, etc to do this type of thing, and if none of those options are available to me, she goes without medications until I can. A hospital that exists to serve medicaid and other "underserved" urban populations isn't the type of place where I have support staff to handle this stuff. I'm a salaried resident until next Wednesday so whatever, I can deal with this type of scut every once in a while, but it all starts to add up, and in another position, this is all lost salary or lost RVUs. I can't tell you the amount of time I've had social service/medication assitance/etc **** laying on my desk that needs to be done yesterday, but then I look at the clock and realize the sun went down two hours ago, and I just have to say "f-ck it. It's time to go home."

Underserved seems like a fancy word for poor.

more or less. As I said above. The truly underserved are underserved for good reasons. Poverty and access to care are indeed separate measures, but each doesn't just exist in a vacuum. They both act as dependent variables to each other.
 
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Having "access to care" is like having "access to money" because one lives near a bank...
 
I addition to the excellent points made above. Imho a population is underserved if they face disparities in health outcomes. A good example is Washington DC. Minorities have access to the same hospitals and even with insurance they have poorer outcomes compared to the population as a whole. Take stroke for example. These populations have a higher budren of risk,incidence and prevalence, stroke mortality, and disparities in care and outcomes. The causation for these differences are multifactorial , but I would consider this population an underserved population.
 
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