Undocumented Pharmacy Students

[dbmalo2]

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As we all know the DREAM act just failed to pass in the Senate 🙁 and that prompted me to find out how many actual students are planning to be Pharmacists in the near future that are undocumented. I am in the same boat, undocumented and trying desperately to pay for school in a Community College and working dinky jobs to pay for it, pretty soon i will apply to Midwestern and with the help of God and my hard work hopefully i will get in. Please let me know that there are others like me out there that haven't given up their dreams. And any advice for an undocumented pre-pharmacy student, like how to pay for classes, how to get pharmacy experience, and personal statement advice.

 

[deleted205891]

So who's gonna hire you as a pharmacist if you don't have a social security # to report?

 

[owlegrad]

So who's gonna hire you as a pharmacist if you don't have a social security # to report?

Can you get an intern license?

 

[Electrode]

As we all know the DREAM act just failed to pass in the Senate 🙁 and that prompted me to find out how many actual students are planning to be Pharmacists in the near future that are undocumented. I am in the same boat, undocumented and trying desperately to pay for school in a Community College and working dinky jobs to pay for it, pretty soon i will apply to Midwestern and with the help of God and my hard work hopefully i will get in. Please let me know that there are others like me out there that haven't given up their dreams. And any advice for an undocumented pre-pharmacy student, like how to pay for classes, how to get pharmacy experience, and personal statement advice.

First, I really sympathize with you for the DREAM act failure.

But here is my advice;

Place a hold on your schooling now. Use your salary to try & obtain a legal status/green card. I have close (undocumented) friends who have been successful in doing so....and one that is still trying very hard.

The process can be quite exhaustive...money & time-wise; but I think it's worth it.

Just like bacillus1 said, it'll be more difficult for you to advance in college or even get a professional job when you graduate with an undocumented status.

But of course, do sniff around for better options that I may not know of.

 

[Cloud 9]

If you're willing to serve this country, that might be a quick path to citizenship. You'd need to get a legal tag though, like

asylees, refugees, individuals with Temporary Protected Status (TPS), etc. You can read more about the military path to citizenship here.

Place a hold on your schooling now. Use your salary to try & obtain a legal status/green card. I have close (undocumented) friends who have been successful in doing so....and one that is still trying very hard.

The process can be quite exhaustive...money & time-wise; but I think it's worth it.

Not sure how that would work since it's illegal in the U.S. to hire an undocumented person...but it is possible through asylum, TPS, becoming a refugee etc.
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[deleted289008]

I extend my isangmahal to you! Many of my close friends are also undocumented. We'll continue the fight and momentum for the DREAM Act.

 

[Electrode]

Not sure how that would work since it's illegal in the U.S. to hire an undocumented person...but it is possible through asylum, TPS, becoming a refugee etc.

You probably skipped this:

As we all know the DREAM act just failed to pass in the Senate 🙁 and that prompted me to find out how many actual students are planning to be Pharmacists in the near future that are undocumented. I am in the same boat, undocumented and trying desperately to pay for school in a Community College and working dinky jobs to pay for it, pretty soon i will apply to Midwestern and with the help of God and my hard work hopefully i will get in. Please let me know that there are others like me out there that haven't given up their dreams. And any advice for an undocumented pre-pharmacy student, like how to pay for classes, how to get pharmacy experience, and personal statement advice.

Whatever it is he is making from those "dinky jobs", he should channel a portion of it towards obtaining a legal status.

And besides military, I don't believe there is a faster path to US citizenship from an undocumented status.

Otherwise, US census wouldn't have up to millions of undocumented residents on statistics today? Probably less than 50K.

Additionally, military isn't meant for everyone for one reason or the other. Assume he falls into that category.

 

[howdytex]

i became a citizen before i even went to college. how can you even consider applying for pharmacy work knowing that you will be around controlled substances. thats just not going to happen. you have to get your residency straight before you can even consider a professional career.

unless you want to go back to your country of origin for your education you need to change your priorities.

 

[busyizzy]

Can you get an intern license?

Some states don't require intern licenses. Only that you're enrolled in pharm school.

 

[owlegrad]

Some states don't require intern licenses. Only that you're enrolled in pharm school.

That's news to me! How do employers verify you are a student?

Edit: Alright, can you get your RPh license then?

 

[Cloud 9]

You probably skipped this:

Whatever it is he is making from those "dinky jobs", he should channel a portion of it towards obtaining a legal status.

And besides military, I don't believe there is a faster path to US citizenship from an undocumented status.

Otherwise, US census wouldn't have up to millions of undocumented residents on statistics today? Probably less than 50K.

Additionally, military isn't meant for everyone for one reason or the other. Assume he falls into that category.

Sup Electrode. Certainly I did not miss that, I just wondered would it really be possible for one to use those jobs to pay for a good immigration lawyer, support themselves, and pay for school? The OP did say they were struggling just to pay for community college.

Assuming military wouldn't work out, only other way I can think of is marriage to a US citizen. Not easy, but it is a way.

 

[Electrode]

Sup Electrode. Certainly I did not miss that, I just wondered would it really be possible for one to use those jobs to pay for a good immigration lawyer, support themselves, and pay for school? The OP did say they were struggling just to pay for community college.

Assuming military wouldn't work out, only other way I can think of is marriage to a US citizen. Not easy, but it is a way.

That is why the first sentence of my advice did say: "Place a hold on your schooling now". Instead of struggling to pay for his education that has pretty good scope of a dead end, let him struggle to pay for legal status process.

And marriage is definitely another cheaper/faster option but other factors come into play as well; his age, his cultural/religious backgrounds/beliefs, & how strictly he has been brought up to adhere to them.

Because 99% of such marriages obviously end up in divorce, a year or two after legal status has been acquired. I believe that certain cultural/religious practices prohibit such things like a divorce.

Either way, all these options are what you should explore, dbmalo2. You alone would know what will suit you best.

 

[Cloud 9]

That is why the first sentence of my advice did say: "Place a hold on your schooling now". Instead of struggling to pay for his education that has pretty good scope of a dead end, let him struggle to pay for legal status process.

And marriage is definitely another cheaper/faster option but other factors come into play as well; his age, his cultural/religious backgrounds/beliefs, & how strictly he has been brought up to adhere to them.

Because 99% of such marriages obviously end up in divorce, a year or two after legal status has been acquired. I believe that certain cultural/religious practices prohibit such things like a divorce.

Either way, all these options are what you should explore, dbmalo2. You alone would know what will suit you best.

Okay I agree with the general gist of your message but the facts are wrong . 50% of marriages in the U.S. end in divorce, not 99%, lol. Also I didn't mean marriage was hard because of the personal factors although that definitely does come into play.

It's hard mainly because it takes years to prove the marriage is legit and even then it's very costly and a long process because you have to prove you came in legally, which if you haven't then in that case you'd have to apply for a waiver, and even that is hard to get verified. I only know this because my professor married an undocumented and I took a course with them on illegal immigration.

 

[Electrode]

99% was my speculation because three marriages on such grounds that I've witnessed first hand never saw the daylights of the 3rd year. And I can't really imagine a lot of possibility in people finding compatibility factors to keep such marriages alive.

But yea, you're right. I over-killed it Thanks for setting the facts straight.

I guess it's all up to the OP now to make a choice.

 

[chase1]

Just become an undocumented pharmacist. But seriously, I hope it's a joke that illegal aliens can become a pharmacist. First gain your cotizenship, and after that work towards being a pharmacist.

 

[dbmalo2]

Just become an undocumented pharmacist. But seriously, I hope it's a joke that illegal aliens can become a pharmacist. First gain your cotizenship, and after that work towards being a pharmacist.

Why a Joke? I worked as hard if not harder just to get through my prereqs as anybody else.

 

[dbmalo2]

I really have no way of getting legal so far every lawyer i have talked to has told me that there is no path that i can take. I was not brought here through a VISA or anything of the sort i was brought here when i was three and going back to my country is out of the question i dont know anything bout that place and it would be like sending anyone of you guys to a foreign country and saying "here now start over". Military is a no go since my religion doesn't permit us to go and fight, and marriage is also a negative since it takes at least ten years out of the country just to get the green card.

 

[dbmalo2]

I think im gonna continue to go to school and go on with my prereqs and apply to a school hopefully something will happen that allows me to accomplish my goal of becoming a pharmacist.

Idk maybe in 2012 the dream act can pass?? Or Comprehensive immigration reform? I mean i think there are plenty of other people out there just like me.

 

[Farmacist2011]

Can you apply to pharmacy schools in the mother land? 😀

 

[DrBowtie]

I think im gonna continue to go to school and go on with my prereqs and apply to a school hopefully something will happen that allows me to accomplish my goal of becoming a pharmacist.

Idk maybe in 2012 the dream act can pass?? Or Comprehensive immigration reform? I mean i think there are plenty of other people out there just like me.

Pretty much dead legislation with the newly elected Congress.

 

[milkchocolate]

do you not have a SSN? because i would assume that necessary for applying to pharm schools (or at least internships) for when they need to do a background check...

 

[jack rabbit]

Pretty much dead legislation with the newly elected Congress.

Sad but true

 

[Medwell]

Why a Joke? I worked as hard if not harder just to get through my prereqs as anybody else.

Yes, but none of us committed any crimes to do so. You, on the other hand, are in a perpetual state of breaking the law, since you are an illegal immigrant (who needs to stop using the euphemism "undocumented").

Military is a no go since my religion doesn't permit us to go and fight, and marriage is also a negative since it takes at least ten years out of the country just to get the green card.

As it has been pointed out to you, marriage and military are basically your only methods of making this work. However, you seem to have this sense of entitlement that puts both these paths out of the question.

I think im gonna continue to go to school and go on with my prereqs and apply to a school hopefully something will happen that allows me to accomplish my goal of becoming a pharmacist.

You will never get hired as an intern/pharmacist without a Green Card and an SSN. I'd be surprised if you can even get into Pharmacy school at all - I know for a fact that my undergrad's COP requires permanent residency, although I'm not sure of the rest of them.

going back to my country is out of the question i dont know anything bout that place and it would be like sending anyone of you guys to a foreign country and saying "here now start over".

Yes, but it would be perfectly acceptable if I had used illegal means to be here in the first place. Since marriage and military are too inconvenient for you, it seems that the best way for you to become a pharmacist is to go back to your country and do it there. When you're done, if you want to come to the U.S., you can immigrate properly, like my family did.

 

[spacecowgirl]

What religion prohibits military service? I'm just curious.

 

[MathDebate]

What religion prohibits military service? I'm just curious.

I'm pretty sure that Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to take part in the military. Something about "love thy neighbor, God loves all countries equally, killers are children of the devil, blah blah, etc."

 

[Electrode]

I think im gonna continue to go to school and go on with my prereqs and apply to a school hopefully something will happen that allows me to accomplish my goal of becoming a pharmacist.

Idk maybe in 2012 the dream act can pass?? Or Comprehensive immigration reform? I mean i think there are plenty of other people out there just like me.

Okay, let me put it in clearer sentence for you;

1) You will NEVER be accepted into any accredited pharmacy school in the U.S. because they all require you to be either a permanent resident (immigrants with green cards) or U.S. citizen....and/or other VISA types for international students. Do you have any of the above? Obviously not.

Now you know when you finish your pre-reqs, and you don't get into pharmacy school within five to seven years, you will have to retake all of it again. That is, in the event that your waiver requests are rejected by pharmacy schools (which is very likely), should you obtain a legal status...heaven knows whenever. Do the math.

2) You would prefer remaining a ghost in this country for eternity than for you to take out ten to eleven years of a married life to get a green card? Joy to the world - a new time genius is born!

3) And what if dream act never passes? What if it passes in 20 years? More coffee to your alcohol!

4) In the case of religion, I really respect your loyalty to it. I'm a bit religious myself as well. But let me say this, you must understand that there are times when compromise is the best move for a greater good. I don't know how far anyone could have gone if they never compromised at one point in their life or another; especially, when it is contradictory to some of their beliefs.

Take some time to really think about that. My ultimate advice still remains; stop school for now, engage in a process that will aid you acquire a legal status. It might take a while, but don't you think it'll worth it? Better late than never!

Then resume your schooling. But if you insist on continuing on your current path, well, I suppose you definitely have something else up your sleeve we do not know of. Best of luck to you!

 

[chase1]

Why a Joke? I worked as hard if not harder just to get through my prereqs as anybody else.

Yea but the difference is I am legal, and therefore I am given the opportunity that all US TAX PAYING AND LAW ABIDING CITIZENS have, which of course is to pursue anything they would like in this country. As I said before, become a citizen, and then become a pharmacist.

 

[janeno]

I really feel for you. I know some people who are in similar situation as you, and it is heartbreaking to know that you are willing to work, pay taxes, study, and contribute to this society but no one is giving you the opportunity. The sad part is that there are so many American citizens that have all these opportunities but instead they decide to be bums and not actualize their potential.

As sad it is to say, I think your best option is marriage. Immigration through marriage takes only three to five years, not 10 years as you stated. The marriage does not have to be fake, I truly believe that you can find someone who you love or like. If at the end the marriage does not work out, then you can thinks that maybe you two were not meant to be together. That's the best advice I can give just from seeing other people in a similar situation as you.

I want to praise you for dedication to education and attempt of achieving your goals. Trust me, the hard work will eventually pay off.

 

[jack rabbit]

As sad it is to say, I think your best option is marriage. Immigration through marriage takes only three to five years, not 10 years as you stated.

Actually, it would take 10 years. He will be required to return to his country because he did not come in with any type of visa. This will automatically trigger a ~10 year ban. I'm quite sure about this, but I'm not an immigration expert/lawyer.

 

[dbmalo2]

Can you apply to pharmacy schools in the mother land? 😀

I've looked into that but since the corruption in my country is so bad many pharmacies are owned by random store owners with no pharmacy experience, theyre just trying to make a living.

 

[dbmalo2]

What religion prohibits military service? I'm just curious.

Yup as stated by MathDebate i am a Jehova's Witness.

 

[dbmalo2]

Yea but the difference is I am legal, and therefore I am given the opportunity that all US TAX PAYING AND LAW ABIDING CITIZENS have, which of course is to pursue anything they would like in this country. As I said before, become a citizen, and then become a pharmacist.

I'm really happy for you that you have the opportunity to achieve all the goals you set yourself. I'm sorry if i angered you by my presence in this country, but this country is all i know and if i could get a job and pay all the taxes you think i don't pay, i would do it in a heartbeat. I'm just asking for advice and if anyone else is in the same situation as i am.

 

[dbmalo2]

Yes, but none of us committed any crimes to do so. You, on the other hand, are in a perpetual state of breaking the law, since you are an illegal immigrant (who needs to stop using the euphemism "undocumented").


As it has been pointed out to you, marriage and military are basically your only methods of making this work. However, you seem to have this sense of entitlement that puts both these paths out of the question.


You will never get hired as an intern/pharmacist without a Green Card and an SSN. I'd be surprised if you can even get into Pharmacy school at all - I know for a fact that my undergrad's COP requires permanent residency, although I'm not sure of the rest of them.


Yes, but it would be perfectly acceptable if I had used illegal means to be here in the first place. Since marriage and military are too inconvenient for you, it seems that the best way for you to become a pharmacist is to go back to your country and do it there. When you're done, if you want to come to the U.S., you can immigrate properly, like my family did.

I can tell you are angered by the "sense of entitlement" you may think i have...would you please explain why you think that?

And i don't feel i have committed a crime, although i understand your argument as many people see me as a escaped convict that needs to be taken care of ASAP. But i assure you i haven't committed any crime that i knew of. I was brought here, not by my choice. Also I'm pretty sure i could use whatever word i want...just like you, but thanks for your comment.

Also i am so happy that your family, like many others, had the opportunity to come to this country and pursue your dreams. My family on the other hand was not so fortunate, many people have different reasons for coming to this country and some cannot afford to stay in their country any longer, and some are denied a VISA for many reasons. But to send someone back, even though they have lived here their whole life to me is really unfair and contradictory to what this country was founded upon and kicking out the very people that can help and want to help this country and their American neighbors.

 

[dbmalo2]

I really feel for you. I know some people who are in similar situation as you, and it is heartbreaking to know that you are willing to work, pay taxes, study, and contribute to this society but no one is giving you the opportunity. The sad part is that there are so many American citizens that have all these opportunities but instead they decide to be bums and not actualize their potential.

As sad it is to say, I think your best option is marriage. Immigration through marriage takes only three to five years, not 10 years as you stated. The marriage does not have to be fake, I truly believe that you can find someone who you love or like. If at the end the marriage does not work out, then you can thinks that maybe you two were not meant to be together. That's the best advice I can give just from seeing other people in a similar situation as you.

I want to praise you for dedication to education and attempt of achieving your goals. Trust me, the hard work will eventually pay off.

Thank you for your kind words. Marriage to me has to be for love and only love, so yea i'm sure i can find someone but i don't wanna marry someone for papers. But yea thanks for the advice, many people i have spoken to say that it depends on a judge how long you have to stay out of the country after marriage. So it depends i guess i think the maximum is ten years.

 

[janeno]

Actually, it would take 10 years. He will be required to return to his country because he did not come in with any type of visa. This will automatically trigger a ~10 year ban. I'm quite sure about this, but I'm not an immigration expert/lawyer.

Oh ok. I did not realize that it takes this long. I guess most people who I knew came on some type of visa, and then married. I am not sure whether their visas were expired or not.

 

[PD11]

I really have no way of getting legal so far every lawyer i have talked to has told me that there is no path that i can take. I was not brought here through a VISA or anything of the sort i was brought here when i was three and going back to my country is out of the question i dont know anything bout that place and it would be like sending anyone of you guys to a foreign country and saying "here now start over". Military is a no go since my religion doesn't permit us to go and fight, and marriage is also a negative since it takes at least ten years out of the country just to get the green card.

I think you should seriously check this again. I personally know many cases that you will have your unconditional green card within 3 years, provided that you are still married.

 

[SampleSam]

Good luck in figuring out this situation. I really do hope that you can one day practice pharmacy. However, I do agree with Electrode. You need to stop your schooling and spend all your resources on finding a way to obtain legal citizenship. Don't wait around for the passage of the Dream Act or similar legislation. His statement on compromise is especially important. Perhaps there is some way to reconcile fighting or marriage with your beliefs. Good luck

 

[samisos]

I'm surprised by many of the highly discouraging remarks here, however u🙂🙂nlike most of these posts, I advise you to keep trekking. I assume that you are currently taking pre-pharm requisites. Continue with those and try to at least finish your bachelor's degree if nothing else. I know someone who was in the same situation as you, and has now gotten into pharmacy school. So don't lose hope. The other options for striaghtening up your residence are still very helpful tips as well. Good luck!

 

[work24]

I'm surprised of the immature comments that basically accuse the OP of being a criminal.
Being brought to the US at the age of 3 illegally was his/her given situation. This person could not help but be born into unfortunate circumstances.
This unlucky break is not any different from those who were lucky to have been born in the US or been brought here legally. Believe me, your diligence and hard work as a child was not taken into consideration when you were given US citizenship.

There are plenty of illegals that deserve scorn, this person is not one of them.

 

[FutureCTDoc]

I'm surprised of the immature comments that basically accuse the OP of being a criminal.
Being brought to the US at the age of 3 illegally was his/her given situation. This person could not help but be born into unfortunate circumstances.
This unlucky break is not any different from those who were lucky to have been born in the US or been brought here legally. Believe me, your diligence and hard work as a child was not taken into consideration when you were given US citizenship.

There are plenty of illegals that deserve scorn, this person is not one of them.

So the OP deserves no scorn for breaking our nation's laws?

 

[ucrx]

I'm surprised of the immature com/ments that basically accuse the OP of being a criminal.
Being brought to the US at the age of 3 illegally was his/her given situation. This person could not help but be born into unfortunate circumstances.
This unlucky break is not any different from those who were lucky to have been born in the US or been brought here legally. Believe me, your diligence and hard work as a child was not taken into consideration when you were given US citizenship.

There are plenty of illegals that deserve scorn, this person is not one of them.

How is this person going to work as a pharmacist? Complete intern hours that require a state license? I understand that the OP was a child, but I don't know how they would be able to legally work while being undocumented.

 

[work24]

So the OP deserves no scorn for breaking our nation's laws?

Do not give me that naive BS. A child who was born or raised as an illegal does not deserve to be prosecuted for what he/she cannot control.
The scorn belongs to the illegals who actually commit legitimate criminal activity.

I recognize the OP has a huge dilemma without any clear solutions.
The main point I wanted to convey was to reply to some posters (specifically Medwell) who feel they can speak down to a person who wants to make the best out of some crappy circumstances.
US citizenship was given to you because of the luck of the draw. The work of your relatives does not reflect your own, so just be grateful and not berate those who are not as fortunate.

 

[juanlopez85]

If you become a pharmacist here in the US, that's one less job opportunity for me.

You are illegal and you know it. This is a product of your parents mistake who brought you here illegally. If your parents chopped off your arms when your were a child, then you will have to live with it. If they brought you here illegally, you have to live with that mistake. If you want to blame someone for your illegal status, blame your parents not the American system.


My advice for you is to learn your native language and move back to the country you are suppose to be in, then apply for a student visa. You can't go wrong doing it the legal way. My parents applied to live in America. They were accepted and are now happy US citizens.

 

[juanlopez85]

Do not give me that naive BS. A child who was born or raised as an illegal does not deserve to be prosecuted for what he/she cannot control.
The scorn belongs to the illegals who actually commit legitimate criminal activity.

You are right. As a child he should not be prosecuted. However, his parents should be for breaking the law. Once the illegal child turns 18, he is knowing willingly committing a crime by being here and therefore should be prosecuted. If you don's want to suffer the consequence of breaking the law, then leave.

 

[mustang sally]

You are right. As a child he should not be prosecuted. However, his parents should be for breaking the law. Once the illegal child turns 18, he is knowing willingly committing a crime by being here and therefore should be prosecuted. If you don's want to suffer the consequence of breaking the law, then leave.

This. He is an adult now and knows that it is illegal.

I wish the OP best of luck in your education and life. However, if your goal is to live out the rest of your life in the U.S., I think you should focus on becoming a legal resident or citizen.

 

[All4MyDaughter]

This. He is an adult now and knows that it is illegal.

I wish the OP best of luck in your education and life. However, if your goal is to live out the rest of your life in the U.S., I think you should focus on becoming a legal resident or citizen.

I think the problem is that there are no good mechanisms for him to obtain citizenship at this point. Going back to a home country that he hasn't visited since age 3 is not a realistic option, IMO.

 

[mustang sally]

I don't think it would be realistic either. I just think it would be best to try to work toward rectifying the situation (and admittedly I know little about it as a natural born citizen), especially if you want to have a career as a pharmacist. Can you even be granted a license without some sort of legal residence? I'm pretty sure you would at least need a visa.

 

[quimicosoy]

sorry for your situation, I know it by hand. I will be attending pharmacy school this august and I became a US citizen like 2 years ago. I know your feelings, and I think that you should think really well about the situation. I have seen that this country is a country made of laws, which basically obligates any individual to first abide to the rules and then that individual has the PRIVILEGE for becoming or doing whatever it can BASED on those laws.

My father was a civil engineer in my homecountry, and he came here like 25 years ago, he tried to re validate his education here, but no luck because of documents. After investing more than 200.000 dollars in lawyers for 8 years trying to get get the political asylum, he did not make it, and he was ordered by a judge to go back to his country.

What did he do? He stayed illegal.

Now, he works as a lawnmover machine's mechanic, and he is getting sick with no insurance and all that stuff...

I am his son, and a US citizen, and I can not solve his situation, is really sad.

So after my experience, I think, you should look at other options, and try to get you legal status no matter what before you embark yourself in a professional degree.

At the end of the day, the competition is tough, and they will not give you a job. Also if you try to open your independent pharmacy, they will require you LOTS of legal documents.

I know how you feel, so sorry, but sometimes life is VERY unfair, specially when there are so many people wasting the opportunity that you have been wishing for.
good luck.

 

[CP120]

If I were you I would stop taking classes and think about your situation. Even if you get into pharmacy school (let's say there is a way to get into it without SSN, which they require for background check and pretty much taxes stuff). How will you get a loan for around 100k bucks to pay for pharmacy school?

Even if you get a loan somehow, if you grad pharm school and don't have permission to work, you will never get a job at a pharmacy. Another let down, is that most pharmacy schools require volunteer work, or pharmacy work. To volunteer at a hospital they require ssn to check if you committed any crimes or stuff.

Not trying to make you feel down, but that's what you are going to face. BTW, how did you get into college (or comm college) without being a citizen. I thought they ask for your ss# and like birth certificate and that stuff. They did when I enrolled in college. Just wondering.

Good luck!

 

[johnep34]

Our govnmt is committed to trying to reduce immigration. There have been cases similar to this where a child brought into the country. Grows up thinking that this is their country, then being deported to what is an entirely alien land to them. Unfortunately, they are easy targets. In the meantime, criminals, murderers and rapists cannot be deported because of 'human rights'.
johnep