UNE-COM vs AZCOM

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AZCOM vs UNE-COM

  • UNE-COM

    Votes: 14 28.6%
  • AZCOM

    Votes: 35 71.4%

  • Total voters
    49

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Hi everyone I have been very fortunate this cycle to get accepted to 4 very amazing schools. I already cut out KCOM (Decided on KCOM in the end!) and Western-Pomona just because I don't think they are for me, but I am really struggling with the last decision I will need to make with osteopathic schools.

UNE-COM

Pros:
Cirriculum is integrated (less class time a day)
Lectures are recorded
Smaller class size
Tuition is less (marginal)
It felt like a community where everyone knows everyone and is really tight-knit

Cons:
No sim labs (Looked into it more and this is not true, my tour guide must not have known about them)
Guaranteed to move for 3&4th year
I have to move across the country

AZCOM

Pros:
Better ACGME residency placement
May not need to move for 3&4th year
I don't have to move as far (6 hour drive)

Cons:
Lectures not recorded (yet)
Larger class size
Tuition is more (marginal)

Anyone with an opinion is welcome to comment. I would especially like to hear from current students, as the last thread on AZCOM vs UNECOM was from ~2002 and I figure a lot has changed.
 
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I'd support whatever decision you make, but here are my thoughts. I picked AZCOM because of the pros that you listed. It has a better location for relocating and for your clinical years, better facilities, and better outcomes for graduates. I think things like larger vs. smaller class sizes will not really affect your overall educational experience. Furthermore, if you're worried about not having recorded lectures, invest in a digital recorder, and you'll be fine.

Of course, do you really think that UNE-COM feels like a better fit? If it does, then I would say go with your gut because happier students are more productive.
 
Again, I am biased. OP, I don't think you're going to get a scientific poll on here. There seem to be a lot more AZCOM hopefuls on SDN than UNE-COM hopefuls. I think at this point in the cycle AZCOM has given out more acceptances, so more people (myself included) are pumped about AZCOM.
 
I'll vote UNECOM because I'm biased. 😉
 
Of course, do you really think that UNE-COM feels like a better fit? If it does, then I would say go with your gut because happier students are more productive.

I don't know. I did feel really great about it while I was there. I would say I got a very slight happier "feeling" from UNE-COM. But I don't think it was significantly more than AZCOM.

Again, I am biased. OP, I don't think you're going to get a scientific poll on here. There seem to be a lot more AZCOM hopefuls on SDN than UNE-COM hopefuls. I think at this point in the cycle AZCOM has given out more acceptances, so more people (myself included) are pumped about AZCOM.

Yeah I knew this going into this thread. UNE-COM has the lowest SDN participation of any DO school I think.

I'll vote UNECOM because I'm biased. 😉

😛

Overall though I think I am leaning more towards AZCOM. I think the marginal increase in what I think may be overall happiness may not be more valuable to me then the immense amount of resources and residency potential AZCOM offers.

I am also going to say I don't really know whether I enjoyed AZCOM less than UNE. This is because I was so nervous the whole day I never got to really soak up the place. Although I have a few friends who go there and love it and it seems like a place I could enjoy more than UNE.

That being said I do want to ultimately practice either here in NM or AZ. I really like the southwest, so I do think AZCOM would be better for getting a residency here.
 
Overall though I think I am leaning more towards AZCOM. I think the marginal increase in what I think may be overall happiness may not be more valuable to me then the immense amount of resources and residency potential AZCOM offers.

I am also going to say I don't really know whether I enjoyed AZCOM less than UNE. This is because I was so nervous the whole day I never got to really soak up the place. Although I have a few friends who go there and love it and it seems like a place I could enjoy more than UNE.

That being said I do want to ultimately practice either here in NM or AZ. I really like the southwest, so I do think AZCOM would be better for getting a residency here.

Yeah, I think those are some valid and important considerations. If you want to practice in NM or AZ, I'd imagine attending med school there could be beneficial. You also mentioned UNECOM being slightly cheaper, but I'm wondering it if would be. Moving across the country doesn't exactly sound like it could be a complicated financial prospect to deal with.
 
Hi everyone I have been very fortunate this cycle to get accepted to 4 very amazing schools. I already cut out KCOM and Western-Pomona just because I don't think they are for me, but I am really struggling with the last decision I will need to make with osteopathic schools.

UNE-COM

Pros:
Cirriculum is integrated (less class time a day)
Lectures are recorded
Smaller class size
Tuition is less (marginal)
It felt like a community where everyone knows everyone and is really tight-knit

Cons:
No sim labs
Guaranteed to move for 3&4th year
I have to move across the country

AZCOM

Pros:
Better ACGME residency placement
May not need to move for 3&4th year
I don't have to move as far (6 hour drive)

Cons:
Lectures not recorded (yet)
Larger class size
Tuition is more (marginal)

Anyone with an opinion is welcome to comment. I would especially like to hear from current students, as the last thread on AZCOM vs UNECOM was from ~2002 and I figure a lot has changed.

My advice is to go to mdapplicants and surf through the accepted applicants of both schools. Sometimes you will find gold giving you pros and cons about the school.


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Yeah, I think those are some valid and important considerations. If you want to practice in NM or AZ, I'd imagine attending med school there could be beneficial. You also mentioned UNECOM being slightly cheaper, but I'm wondering it if would be. Moving across the country doesn't exactly sound like it could be a complicated financial prospect to deal with.

Well I was thinking about it and I think the increased cost of living (the SW is cheap) in NE would basically make up for the tuition gap (~4,000). So really they would cost about the same.
 
Well I was thinking about it and I think the increased cost of living (the SW is cheap) in NE would basically make up for the tuition gap (~4,000). So really they would cost about the same.

Haha, rereading my post, it doesn't make much sense, but I think you understand what I meant to say, because I was thinking this too. Problems of typing on little sleep. Does one school have better opportunities for whatever specialty you're in to?
 
Haha, rereading my post, it doesn't make much sense, but I think you understand what I meant to say, because I was thinking this too. Problems of typing on little sleep. Does one school have better opportunities for whatever specialty you're in to?

Not particularly. I either want to do primary care (FM or Peds) or EM. AZCOM seems to put a lot of its grads into one EM program I am really interested in (TTU-El Paso), but UNE has put grads into another program I'm interested in (UNM).

As for FM and Peds they are pretty equal on that front, with access to rural rotations which is what appeals to me.

Overall the opportunities are pretty much the same.
 
Have you officially withdrawn from KCOM?

I am hoping for an acceptance call, soooo... lol.
 
I would choose azcom but you know I'm biased. Its closer to NM and has GME training in a field I am interested in, right down the road.

We cant use the whole "AZCOM puts over half their class in ACGME residency" argument anymore......since now everything will be ACGME. Hahaha
 
Have you officially withdrawn from KCOM?

I am hoping for an acceptance call, soooo... lol.

I just got the acceptance packet, so I'll be mailing the withdrawal soon 😉


I would choose azcom but you know I'm biased. Its closer to NM and has GME training in a field I am interested in, right down the road.

We cant use the whole "AZCOM puts over half their class in ACGME residency" argument anymore......since now everything will be ACGME. Hahaha

Yeah the ACGME doesn't matter too much anymore :laugh:

But you're right AZCOM does just seem to have more connections to GME here in the SW because the school is in the SW. I think I'm going to have to choose AZCOM the more I think about it. 😍
 
I just got the acceptance packet, so I'll be mailing the withdrawal soon 😉




Yeah the ACGME doesn't matter too much anymore :laugh:

But you're right AZCOM does just seem to have more connections to GME here in the SW because the school is in the SW. I think I'm going to have to choose AZCOM the more I think about it. 😍

You might also see AZCOM being able to place people up at UNM in the future because of all of these changes. I wouldnt say its 100% but the school is closer to ABQ and might be more willing to take us now.
 
You might also see AZCOM being able to place people up at UNM in the future because of all of these changes. I wouldnt say its 100% but the school is closer to ABQ and might be more willing to take us now.

Well UNM has been taking UNE students in Peds and EM, possibly others I haven't seen. I don't seen any MWU students in any of their programs besides I think a recent placement into child neurology.

UNM seems to be open to DOs right now. I'm not sure if the reason there are few DOs at UNM is because of a small bias or (what I think is more likely) fewer DOs applying to UNM in the first place. Hopefully when we graduate UNM will be more than willing to accept us into their programs due to the changes.
 
Well UNM has been taking UNE students in Peds and EM, possibly others I haven't seen. I don't seen any MWU students in any of their programs besides I think a recent placement into child neurology.

UNM seems to be open to DOs right now. I'm not sure if the reason there are few DOs at UNM is because of a small bias or (what I think is more likely) fewer DOs applying to UNM in the first place. Hopefully when we graduate UNM will be more than willing to accept us into their programs due to the changes.

Hahaha you probably dont see many DO's here cause nobody wants to move to NM! Its a nice little secret seeing as we have some spectacular scenery here.
 
Btw each AZCOM class usually has a shared drop box in which you can usually find any audio you would need. I voted AZCOM because I'm definitely happy here but I really know nothing about UNE-COM
 
Hi rcheech7,

Let me start off by making this easy for you. Stay as far away from UNE as you possibly can if you can help it. I am currently a 2nd year at UNECOM, and despite the fact that I enjoy being close to my family, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't regret choosing UNE.

Let me also warn you right off the bat, that I predict that shortly after posting this, a "classmate" of mine will post a long rebuttal singing all of UNE's praises, and pointing out that UNE is in a period of transition. This is most likely an administrator or a member of our student council doing damage control. This is what usually happens after a member of my class gives his or her opinion on SDN...so you've been warned.

Let me start by telling you about the 2nd-year schedule 2 weeks from now. Oh wait...I can't because they have yet to finalize or post our schedule for most of November. This is perhaps one of the most frustrating aspects of 2nd year at UNE. At our school, they apply a sort of "make it up as you go" approach to our curriculum and our schedule. Imagine attending a medical school where the administrators are still finalizing the curricular structure and schedule just 2 weeks before a course is set to begin. Well, that's what it's like to be a student at UNE. Our curriculum has already taken on 3 different forms in 2nd year alone, and its likely to continue to change. And as I mentioned, our course schedule is often not posted until 2 or 3 weeks before the course begins. As a result, many of my classmates have been unable to make plans for the holidays because they did not know if they would have class on a particular day. There's no excuse for that in my opinion.

Also, I noticed that you mentioned how UNE is "integrated" as one of your pros. Let me be clear: there is very little integration in the curriculum at UNE. Last year, I think one of our professors described it best: It's more "scrambled" than anything. For example, at one point last year, we were taking 11 individual courses, each with separate professors and a separate grade. During our "block exam" They took the questions submitted by each professor, scrambled them up into an 8 hour exam, removed the headings and there you go: That's integrated at UNE.

As you might have seen mentioned by other posters on SDN, there has been a sort of mass exodous from UNE in the last several years, capped off by the evacuation of our very own Dean just a few weeks ago. One of the professors that left was the lady that had run the clinical skills program for many, many years. In her wake, the school failed to hire a replacement, and the result has been a clinical skills course that is a disaster to say the least. Every week, my classmates are confused about the days/times that they are to arrive due to existence of 2-3 different schedules posted in different places, which are often contradictory, formatted incorrectly, or just plain confusing. Then, once we are in class, the various facillitators never seem to be on the same page. Often they don't know what they are/aren't supposed to assign, and even worse, some of the facillitators are not osteopathic physicians, nor have they been educated in osteopathic philosophy. This can be awkward when they are asked to dicuss specific osteopathic techniques within the context of that week's case, of which they are clueless.

To sum all this up, on a day to day basis, there is a general feeling of chaos, disorganization, incompetence, lack or preparedness, and perhaps worst of all, lack of empathy for the students. It has been made very clear to us that "this is how things are going to be" whether we like it or not. When we attempt to make our disapproval known, we are faced with responses like "Medical students just don't like change," and our concerns swept under the rug.

I'll finish by saying this. Medical school is supposed to be hard, and my classmates understand this completely. But as my clinical skills facilitator often says to me, "there's no need for it to be like this."

I hope this helps you make your decision. Feel free to PM me with any questions.
 
If you don't have a digital voice recorder, you should. They also come in handy for more than just school....
 
I don't think it really matters which DO school you go to as long as the hospital takes DOs. I'm interviewing at new Mexico and I have no ties or connections to the area, and I do not attended azcom or une.
 
Speaking of residencies being biased against taking DO's, has anyone noticed that it seems the residencies that do have such biases are at big academic centers that have more or less a monopoly on medical education in their respective state? I'm thinking of places like U of U, UNM, OHSU, UW... whereas places in AZ, NY, Ohio, or Pennsylvania (states with many big med schools or, in the case of Arizona, many big GME centers) take plenty of DO's?
 
Speaking of residencies being biased against taking DO's, has anyone noticed that it seems the residencies that do have such biases are at big academic centers that have more or less a monopoly on medical education in their respective state? I'm thinking of places like U of U, UNM, OHSU, UW... whereas places in AZ, NY, Ohio, or Pennsylvania (states with many big med schools or, in the case of Arizona, many big GME centers) take plenty of DO's?

I did look into UNM further and it seems they are plenty friendly to DO especially in IM/FM/Peds. A lot of other specialties have DOs in them Neuro/EM/Anesthesiology as well. So I think overall UNM is generally pretty DO friendly.

But I think what you are talking about definitely plays a huge role in how competitive DOs are. At certain places.
 
I did look into UNM further and it seems they are plenty friendly to DO especially in IM/FM/Peds. A lot of other specialties have DOs in them Neuro/EM/Anesthesiology as well. So I think overall UNM is generally pretty DO friendly.

But I think what you are talking about definitely plays a huge role in how competitive DOs are. At certain places.

Nice thats what I'm talking about. Any surg?
 
I couldn't find the gen-surg, urology resident list so for those I don't know. No DOs in ortho or neuro. I couldn't find the current list for ENT but there were no DOs in the alumni.

Didnt expect ortho or neuro to have any but it would be great if they had some g surg DO's. We'll see in 4 years haha
 
Hi there rcheech7,

Congrats for your acceptances to four schools! You must have a great resume and interview well. Best wishes for a bright future.

You mentioned that they are both great schools. They both indeed turn out great physicians. My advice is to select the school that permits you to most enjoy your free time. Proximity to family and geographical activities (ie; mountainous desert or the coast of Maine, cities / culture etc) are something to consider strongly.

I am a first year student at UNECOM. And to 70equalsDO, yes I am a part of the SGA. Wether or not the following equates to damage control, I'll leave that up to the reader. And unlike so many others, my screen name isn't some catchy anonymous jumble of letters and numbers. My screen name blatantly ID's me. Make of that what you will.

In a previous life (before medical school) I was a well experienced paramedic with civilian and military experience, involved in practice, teaching, and research. Part of the teaching involved the teaching of ACLS, PALS, and a few other things to brand new residents during orientation to a well respected New England university's residency programs, who's residents came from a wide selection of private, public, and Ivy league schools. Short story is that the Harvard kids weren't necessarily the brightest. Moral of the story = you get out what you put in.

That being said, I don't share the same opinion as 70equalsDO, though I share some of the same frustrations. I think that the professors are great, and that the school does want every student to succeed - in class, on the boards, in rotations, and beyond. The faculty and administration are proud of the fact that UNECOM students consistently beat national averages on COMLEX and are deemed well prepared for rotations.

My opinion is that there are communication issues here, and that they are frustrating, but are not the end of the world. Communication is also in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I schedule my life around the UNE graduate calendar for my holiday plans, not what the week to week class listing is. The reason is that this calendar is put out well in advance every year, and is the the guide the COM uses to schedule classes. The way I see it, any time not listed in the published university calendar as holiday is specifically meant for study. Any extra time off is a bonus.

Should the admin be listening more? Tough point to argue either way, though I think that there is room for improvement. In the military (I'm still active in it), I am a senior non commissioned officer (NCO) responsible for the training, mentoring, and welfare of a 36 man infantry platoon, which also includes the professional development of 11 junior NCO's and one junior commissioned officer. If I were to bend and sway to everything that the men wanted to do, wether it be relaxing the training, living standards, etc, it would turn into the inmates running the asylum. Not always the best choice. On the other side, if I hear a complaint repeatedly or increasing in volume, I take the time to reassess wether or not the plan I've laid out is meeting expectations of what is to be accomplished, being carried out correctly, or is inappropriate for the situation. If the plan is good, then I take the complaining it to mean that I've not communicated the importance of the plan to the men in a manner in which they best receive it. Effective communication is a constant work in progress and depends on who is putting the message out, who is receiving it, and what the content/ intent is. Like medical education, communication is a lifelong learning process.

To that extent, 70equalsDO (you might want a different screen name that is indicative of higher aspirations) is right in that I will state that the curriculum is in a state of flux. Admins are up front about it too. So far this semester our class has had reasonable success in working with the faculty in addressing our concerns. Admittedly, some have been more receptive to others, but I think that you'll find that any and every where.

Sorry for the length, I had intended to make this short. Let me say again that both are good schools, and both will have their mishaps along the way. Keeping a broad view of things will help you to keep some perspective of things - this isn't undergrad anymore. This is tough, and it's not just a tougher undergrad way of doing things. UNECOM is not for everyone, but for me and many of my classmates it is the place for us.

Feel free to PM me with questions. It may take a day or two to get back to you, as block week is next week, and there is a lot of studying to be done.

-SMC

p.s. 70=DO, feel free to stop me in the hallway if you'd like to further discuss anything I've written.
 
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