University of mass residency

[LoveMedicine100]

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Can anyone tell me about this program? I see there are lots of DO's, but what about the MD's that are resident? Are they foreign grads or american grads. Any info would be appreciated, theres not much on this tread about this program thats why i'm asking.

 

[splik]

you seem awfully concerned about how many FMGs there are at different programs. why does that bother you? there is a difference say with not wanting to be a program where everyone was much older than you or a different cultural background vs. being somewhere with a bunch of caribbean grads for example. the answer is UMass don't seem terribly keen on foreigners as the website i remember from when i applied basically said not to apply if you were an IMG, but yes they do have a few IMGs.

as for EVMS which you had mentioned elsewhere the majority of their residents are IMGs.


all this info is all publicly available, and you can request if it isn't.

 

[LoveMedicine100]

you seem awfully concerned about how many FMGs there are at different programs. why does that bother you? there is a difference say with not wanting to be a program where everyone was much older than you or a different cultural background vs. being somewhere with a bunch of caribbean grads for example. the answer is UMass don't seem terribly keen on foreigners as the website i remember from when i applied basically said not to apply if you were an IMG, but yes they do have a few IMGs.

as for EVMS which you had mentioned elsewhere the majority of their residents are IMGs.


all this info is all publicly available, and you can request if it isn't.

I'm sorry I didnt mean to offend you when I asked how many FMG's were in the program.

I'm actually intimidated by FMG's I think they are really smart and alot of them have already practiced medicine in their home countries.

So I dont think its a bad thing, but I just wanted to get a feel of what the residents background was.

I really didnt mean to offend u! Sorry!

 

[splik]

you haven't offended me, i was trying to get a sense of what you were looking at. some people see FMGs (and DOs) as a gague of prestige or lack of for a program. others may not want to be in a program that is full of people from one country, or residents who have already completed training in another country and are at a different developmental phase than the typical med student etc. these are legitimate things to think about if they are important to you, so im not knocking it. i was just wondering what it is was you were getting at. there is a difference between say a program that has a number of residents from europe or south america, vs. caribbean grads, vs. grads from the indian subcontinent etc.

personally i wouldn't want to be at a program that was primarily full of foreign grads who had a limited grasp of american culture as you may find yourself doing classes on it! I know at least one program (rosalind franklin) that has/had such a class because they have so many foreign residents.

 

[LoveMedicine100]

you haven't offended me, i was trying to get a sense of what you were looking at. some people see FMGs (and DOs) as a gague of prestige or lack of for a program. others may not want to be in a program that is full of people from one country, or residents who have already completed training in another country and are at a different developmental phase than the typical med student etc. these are legitimate things to think about if they are important to you, so im not knocking it. i was just wondering what it is was you were getting at. there is a difference between say a program that has a number of residents from europe or south america, vs. caribbean grads, vs. grads from the indian subcontinent etc.

personally i wouldn't want to be at a program that was primarily full of foreign grads who had a limited grasp of american culture as you may find yourself doing classes on it! I know at least one program (rosalind franklin) that has/had such a class because they have so many foreign residents.

Personally, I did psych rotation at a place where they were all FMG's, and they were actually super smart and had so much knowledge b/c they had prior experience in their home countries. I feel like if I go to a place where there are all FMGs they will outshine me and so I want to go to a place where there is a good mix of FMG's, and American graduates. I feel that way we can all learn from each other and become better residents. I like a program that has cultural diversity, I think it will make residency more fun!

 

[MacDonaldTriad]

Here is my unsolicited opinion on programs with IMGs and maybe (only by extension) D.O.s. There are many diamonds in the rough among IMG applicants. There are well established UK modeled excellent schools throughout the subcontinent that turn out excellent doctors. The problem is that there are some well-oiled medical mills that do not meet these standards, and it is very hard to tell the difference. The best students at the worst US medical school will always shine. The worst student from the best US medical schools will always disappoint. The core of the bias is that domestic medical students put stock in the % of IMGs and/or D.O. trainees, so even the most open minded programs learn to pay attention to this. Programs that have had wonderful experiences with IMGs cannot survive limiting their access to US grads.

If you are an IMG who rails against the prejudice you experience among US program directors, refer to open market dynamics for some understanding. Even if you kidnapped all program directors and subjected them to intense destigmatization training, a couple of recruitment cycles would have them revert back to the current state of affairs unless the bias that exists among the their customers is addressed.

What feeds this bias is an interesting question. “We had an IMG in my program and he/she was terrific.” Would you consider training with all IMGs? “Oh, of course not.” Just going into psychiatry requires some capacity to not care what others think, but somehow this has created some sort of reaction formation when it comes to medical school snootiness.

 

[3882370]

Here is my unsolicited opinion on programs with IMGs and maybe (only by extension) D.O.s. There are many diamonds in the rough among IMG applicants. There are well established UK modeled excellent schools throughout the subcontinent that turn out excellent doctors. The problem is that there are some well-oiled medical mills that do not meet these standards, and it is very hard to tell the difference. The best students at the worst US medical school will always shine. The worst student from the best US medical schools will always disappoint. The core of the bias is that domestic medical students put stock in the % of IMGs and/or D.O. trainees, so even the most open minded programs learn to pay attention to this. Programs that have had wonderful experiences with IMGs cannot survive limiting their access to US grads.

If you are an IMG who rails against the prejudice you experience among US program directors, refer to open market dynamics for some understanding. Even if you kidnapped all program directors and subjected them to intense destigmatization training, a couple of recruitment cycles would have them revert back to the current state of affairs unless the bias that exists among the their customers is addressed.

What feeds this bias is an interesting question. “We had an IMG in my program and he/she was terrific.” Would you consider training with all IMGs? “Oh, of course not.” Just going into psychiatry requires some capacity to not care what others think, but somehow this has created some sort of reaction formation when it comes to medical school snootiness.

There is also the responsibility of US programs to train US medical graduates, particularly as there are increasing number of AMGs due to the opening of medical schools, without a commensurate increase in residency slots due to limitations of funding.

 

[futuredrpsych]

Can anyone tell me about this program? I see there are lots of DO's, but what about the MD's that are resident? Are they foreign grads or american grads. Any info would be appreciated, theres not much on this tread about this program thats why i'm asking.

In the current intern class (not updated on their website), there is 1 DO and 6 MD's. None of them are IMG's ( sorry for the rhyme). I'm not sure about the other UMass classes because I haven't asked but for the interns there that is 100% the case.

 

[Nasrudin]

Unabashedly for me, as an applicant, it's a matter of of potential successful cultural consanguinity. I agree that there is quite a lot of progressive preemptive reaction formation to that notion. Everything and anything in proper proportion is fine. But having worked on a variety of work crews with one immigrant culture predominating, for me, I won't opt for that for my professional training and development, which I can only do once. There's an over reliance on a notion of diversity meaning non-white, which approximates the non-me-ness of the adoring progressive.

Ok. You can have all that.

What I want is people I can relate to and have fun with for the long hours of training to lighten the load. That's not one thing or another. But I know when I see what it's not--all residents from largely one or culturally related immigrant groups. So yeah. There's a few programs I decided not to apply to in the localities I would otherwise like to be.