University of Oklahoma -- everyone welcome -- Part 4

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Wow, first day! You guys are really catching a break not having to dissect. I didn't have to my first day, but half of our class did. 😱 Good luck! It'll probably be more of the same with boring intro stuff, so if you say miss the biochem intro, it's not the end of the world.
 
Here's a little help until they fix it. Put your username in this format, and it will work:

hsc.net.ou.edu\username

Use your normal password, and you should be good to go.

Thanks - I didn't get on here until they posted the fix on hippo today.

Sooo are there any required classes this week? I... sorta skipped orientation. 😳 Also can't get the videos to work. I'm so glad that all the hippo guys decided to wait until the week of school starting to make a whole bunch of changes that screwed everything up. I'm sure that couldn't have been done over the summer?

One more thing... are the lectures for PCM not going to be video recorded? B/c if that's the case, I intend to start arguing that this should not be the case. Thanks.
 
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I'm so glad that all the hippo guys decided to wait until the week of school starting to make a whole bunch of changes that screwed everything up. I'm sure that couldn't have been done over the summer?.
I was thinking the same thing yesterday when I couldn't access my email yesterday. These IT people are worse than me about waiting til the last second.
I also hate this whole deal of half the crap is on hippocrates...half is on blackboard...just pick one and use it.
We weren't 5 minutes into orientation today and I was already bored.
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Last year, the PCM lectures weren't video recorded, and we generally didn't get powerpoints. I guess they just don't want to, and they're kinda in to people actually going. Speaking of that, most people did seem to go to PCM lectures. I didn't, though, and it worked out fine.
 
No meandering lecture from Unger on the first day?
No mind-blowing Chung lecture?
No dissection on the first day?
What's first year becoming?!

One of my high school english teachers told me that every few years she had to dumb-down the curriculum to accomodate increasing ineptitudes...

Regarding notegroups...I've received a couple of items that mention a notegroups "taper" and "stuffer" with instructions to refer to enclosed notegroups document for details but I've never actually found such an enclosure. Can someone shed some light on these duties? What did people do before SDN?
 
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One of my high school english teachers told me that every few years she had to dumb-down the curriculum to accomodate increasing ineptitudes...

Regarding notegroups...I've received a couple of items that mention a notegroups "taper" and "stuffer" with instructions to refer to enclosed notegroups document for details but I've never actually found such an enclosure. Can someone shed some light on these duties? What did people do before SDN?

So I guess you guys have the option of getting paper notegroups since you've got a stuffer? In my year, each mod had a drawing to determine who got to be the taper and who got to be the stuffer. Those are both easy gigs because you don't have to actually write notegroups. I got to be a stuffer first year and then had to be taper second year because we ditched the paper notegroups options. Anyway, the stuffer puts the notegroups in the mailboxes for a couple of days each test block (probably the easiest gig). The taper records lectures whenever your mod is assigned to do notes. Also easy, but it requires attendance.

Speaking of the paper thing, if you haven't signed up yet, I'd recommend seriously considering doing the online only option for notegroups. There are some people who really do prefer the paper, but most people seemed to be pretty content with just getting them online. I initially opted to get paper copies, but they went straight to the recycling bin (or cluttered my mailbox).

So derm is so laid back compared to ob/gyn. It's a nice shift for now.
 
So I guess you guys have the option of getting paper notegroups since you've got a stuffer? In my year, each mod had a drawing to determine who got to be the taper and who got to be the stuffer. Those are both easy gigs because you don't have to actually write notegroups. I got to be a stuffer first year and then had to be taper second year because we ditched the paper notegroups options. Anyway, the stuffer puts the notegroups in the mailboxes for a couple of days each test block (probably the easiest gig). The taper records lectures whenever your mod is assigned to do notes. Also easy, but it requires attendance.

Speaking of the paper thing, if you haven't signed up yet, I'd recommend seriously considering doing the online only option for notegroups. There are some people who really do prefer the paper, but most people seemed to be pretty content with just getting them online. I initially opted to get paper copies, but they went straight to the recycling bin (or cluttered my mailbox).

So derm is so laid back compared to ob/gyn. It's a nice shift for now.

Thanks a bunch Bagel. They told us that we needed two tapers/mod but never verbally mentioned the stuffers, so maybe that is out and they just didn't take it off the old new-student-info sheets.

Glad you've moved on to a more enjoyable rotation. Dean Clancy sure does make a good sell for the Tulsa option, I don't recall the last time I've seen an individual with such enthusiasm and pep.
 
Last year, the PCM lectures weren't video recorded, and we generally didn't get powerpoints. I guess they just don't want to, and they're kinda in to people actually going. Speaking of that, most people did seem to go to PCM lectures. I didn't, though, and it worked out fine.

I guess I'll make that my goal for this year - getting them to record PCM.

And of course the one day that I didn't want required PCM I am scheduled for so I will have to go about getting that day switched. 🙄 I'm not even sure anymore if I'll go on mini vaca after tb1, but it would be nice to have the option open.

Somehow I am excited again about 2nd year. Not sure how that happened.
 
They told us that we needed two tapers/mod but never verbally mentioned the stuffers, so maybe that is out and they just didn't take it off the old new-student-info sheets.

I would almost guarantee that was the case. We didn't have the option of paper copies last year which cheapened up the price of notegroups considerably.
 
Someone please tell me that HBI lectures are posted online to watch later...
 
Someone please tell me that HBI lectures are posted online to watch later...

Not historically, but you really don't need them. Syllabus + Notegroups + audio (if you're so inclined) is way more than enough. Believe me, you won't be thinking about HB until the week before the test block anyway.
 
Not historically, but you really don't need them. Syllabus + Notegroups + audio (if you're so inclined) is way more than enough. Believe me, you won't be thinking about HB until the week before the test block anyway.

As a small addendum, I'd like to note that some brilliant people will tell you that it's okay to study for HB the night before the test, but I'm living proof that this strategy does not work, especially for the second HB test. It's not necessary to study HB as much as you study other stuff, but DEFINITELY start at least a week before the test.
 
I absolutely hate HB/psyc/Freud/etc etc etc, so take with grain of salt, but yeah, I'd agree you'd be better served NOT waiting on HB. In fact, don't do that crap with any of your classes.
 
Not historically, but you really don't need them. Syllabus + Notegroups + audio (if you're so inclined) is way more than enough. Believe me, you won't be thinking about HB until the week before the test block anyway.

I'd say syllabus plus notegroups is more than enough to do well. There are also tons of study guides floating around, which are really quite helpful. Hmm, so yeah, I guess not putting it off until the super last minute is a good idea.

Also, did they give any of you MS2s (or even MS1s) any info about how the 2010 people did on Step 1? We haven't gotten any official word, but I remember getting info about 2009s performance at orientation last year.
 
Hmm, so yeah, I guess not putting it off until the super last minute is a good idea.

So I guess I'm the only one who thinks it was OK to put off HB till the end? I guess it just came naturally to me, whereas, I really felt behind on a lot of the genetics type stuff because of my lack of background in it. I can honestly say that I studied like 3-4 hrs for the Phebsters (that's Dean Tucker for you MS1s) med school porn test. Oh well... 😎

Also, did they give any of you MS2s (or even MS1s) any info about how the 2010 people did on Step 1? We haven't gotten any official word, but I remember getting info about 2009s performance at orientation last year.

Yeah they threw up some stats. I didn't pay too close attention to them though. Pass rate was lower than previous year. Two digit scores of 99 were lower than Co2009 also.
 
So I guess I'm the only one who thinks it was OK to put off HB till the end? I guess it just came naturally to me, whereas, I really felt behind on a lot of the genetics type stuff because of my lack of background in it. I can honestly say that I studied like 3-4 hrs for the Phebsters (that's Dean Tucker for you MS1s) med school porn test. Oh well... 😎

Yeah they threw up some stats. I didn't pay too close attention to them though. Pass rate was lower than previous year. Two digit scores of 99 were lower than Co2009 also.

Yeah, I never studied for HB until the night before, and that did work for me. However, if it didn't work for other people, I guess I wouldn't recommend it at least for the first two tests.
 
So I guess I'm the only one who thinks it was OK to put off HB till the end? I guess it just came naturally to me, whereas, I really felt behind on a lot of the genetics type stuff because of my lack of background in it. I can honestly say that I studied like 3-4 hrs for the Phebsters (that's Dean Tucker for you MS1s) med school porn test. Oh well...

I put off studying for the first HB exam until the night before thinking it would be cake... I quickly found out there was waaay more info packed into that exam than one evening could allow for w/all the theories and development bs. For the second exam that was the day after Halloween, I knew I was going out the night before so I studied for the exam ~1.5 to 2 weeks before and a few hours the night before and then went out. I imagine that I studied for HB one day ~a week before test blocks and the evening before for the rest of them. That seemed to work pretty well. I think the only thing I can say I straight up put off until the night before was EBM. I did nothing for that class until the last minute. I sorta feel like I might have missed something important for the future by doing that, but if I need it later, I'll figure it out later.

So... are our classes hard yet? I'm making my first appearance tomorrow for MMI. I am pretty much obligated to attend MMI quite a few times in the following weeks for reasons I'm sure you smarties will quickly realize. 🙂
 
Also, did they give any of you MS2s (or even MS1s) any info about how the 2010 people did on Step 1? We haven't gotten any official word, but I remember getting info about 2009s performance at orientation last year.

The pass rate was just above 90%, I believe. I don't remember the score distribution.
 
Yeah they threw up some stats. I didn't pay too close attention to them though. Pass rate was lower than previous year. Two digit scores of 99 were lower than Co2009 also.

All I know is somewhere approaching 12 peeps failed, and you couldn't pick them out of a lineup. Some have retaken already and are in the ranks again until they find out for sure. I think most will have taken it by the first 8 weeks of MSIII so they can jump back in. You can spread out the catching-up over 3rd and 4th, so it doesn't sting as much.

I like how they've told everyone but the ****ing people that took the test. Still waiting for a quartile breakdown to come out via email...
 
I just wanted to say that it's awesome going to school here... I just feel really behind. I can't believe it, either. The first week isn't even finished. :scared:

Maybe I should've been a zoologist. 🙁
 
I just wanted to say that it's awesome going to school here... I just feel really behind. I can't believe it, either. The first week isn't even finished. :scared:

Maybe I should've been a zoologist. 🙁

Don't worry... you'll just feel that way for the next 9 months...

I feel that way a little bit already. I watched the first 2 of IHI and I don't think I'm going to get much studying done until Sat & Sunday. Since my hubby is working 12 hour shifts sat/sun, I think those will be my primary study days with the intent of studying the whole time my hubby works. We'll see how that works out.
 
Didn't realize HB doesn't get posted or I would have been a bit more diligent about making addendums to my notes during class. Ooops. Oh well, sounds like it shouldn't be a problem.

Is there a admin-wide conspiracy against having everything organized and in one place? I feel like I've been chasing my tail this week trying to pull in all the odds and ends. As Tommy Boy said best, "Me no likey."

Big thanks to all you upperclassmen who were so friendly today.
 
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5-CkzF38U[/YOUTUBE]

Hilarious.... a first year posted that up. I hadn't seen it before so I thought I'd put it on here in case you guys hadn't seen it.
 
Don't worry... you'll just feel that way for the next 9 months...

I feel that way a little bit already. I watched the first 2 of IHI and I don't think I'm going to get much studying done until Sat & Sunday. Since my hubby is working 12 hour shifts sat/sun, I think those will be my primary study days with the intent of studying the whole time my hubby works. We'll see how that works out.

I think 4th years are the only ones that don't feel behind, and even then, there are too many aways and interviews to do, career decisions, etc...
 
I just wanted to say that it's awesome going to school here... I just feel really behind. I can't believe it, either. The first week isn't even finished. :scared:(

Glad I'm not the only one feeling this way...
 
Actually, I feel like I'm being led into a false sense of security. I've heard about how awful and crazy and stressful it is, but they are starting us off so slow that it is painful. I know it can't last. But since I don't feel behind, it is making me feel like I'm missing something or doing something incredibly wrong, which in turn is making me feel lost and behind. It's like ducking because you know that the poop IS going to hit the fan, but you just keep waiting and waiting, and you peek out to see it, then duck back down and wait some more, then you can't help but peek again, so you start to think maybe it won't hit the fan, and then you start peeking longer, and then that's when the crap will slam into your face. I'm just waiting for it to all splat in my face. Does this make any sense???
 
Actually, I feel like I'm being led into a false sense of security...Does this make any sense???

I'll be honest, I didn't feel much of a sense of being overwhelmed until the first full-blown biochem test (not the mini, do you have one of those this year?). It was at that point that I was like: They want me to memorize that type of useless detail?!?

[Sarcasm]So really, other than that realization along with having a house that won't sell and premature twins and all their associated illnesses, first year is cake.[/Sarcasm]

Don't worry, it will get busy enough for you. It was only your first week.

Editing to add that the first week of M2 wasn't too bad, other than the fact that I really don't get immuno yet, but that's what I get for not being a bio major.
 
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Yeah, they really do ease you in to first year, which is nice. By the time you hit the real super load of material that comes in medical school, it will feel almost normal. 🙂
 
So this is more than a month overdue, but I wanted to share my thoughts about studying for Step 1 as an OU student. It's really too early for anyone to be really worrying about Step 1, but I thought I should write this while I still somewhat remember this last summer. Freeze or any other MS3s, share if you disagree with some of my advice. 🙂

I'll start with OU's weaknesses. Biochem is probably a big one, but maybe that will change with the new course director. I devoted probably the biggest chunk of my Step 1 study time to biochem partially because I had forgotten a lot of it and partially because it seemed like the stuff we learned wasn't really the important stuff for Step 1. RR Biochem is a good book, and the FA biochem section isn't too shabby. I've heard Kaplan's material is good, too.

The other big weakness I thought was basic cell biology. Now I know that's not a big deal for you bio folks, but it was a definite area of weakness for me. So if you weren't a bio person I'd recommend looking for a good cell bio source. I used both the 1999 HY Cell & Molecular Biology book and RR Histology and Cell Bio. Both were fine, but I'm sure there are other sources that are as good or maybe better. If you have time, it might be a good idea to grab a real textbook and try to actually understand the stuff.

The third weakness that really only matters for non-bio people is immunology. In MMI, you mainly just memorize little details and walk away with no real understanding. I think FA is a good starting point, but I wish I also got a real book and sat down and tried to really understand the stuff while taking MMI. Luckily it's not a huge part of Step 1.

Now I think OU does a really good job with phys, neuro, path and pharm. If you learn what you need while taking these classes, you'll be in good shape for Step 1. I don't think you need any books for pharm, but I've heard the USMLE Roadmap book is good. All the sources that are traditionally recommended for these classes are good sources for Step 1. I added HY neuro during my specific Step 1 studying time and thought it was really good. Anatomy is well-taught at OU, but it's not a big Step 1 topic ....

Basic study sources --

1. Get FA asap and use it to supplement your studies. I didn't get to FA until pretty late and think that was just stupid on my part. It's short and concise, but you really want to make sure you know everything in there. And amazingly, it really does cover a good chunk of what you need to know.

2. Kaplan. OU students are really in to Kaplan I think just because of word of mouth and because they don't come here for info. I've heard their books are good, but they're expensive. You can do well on Step 1 without using a single Kaplan source.

3. Qbanks. Qbanks were my main studying source, and I think everybody should try to at least get all the way through 1 qbank. I agree with the general SDN assessment that UW is better than Kaplan's Qbank. I got 3 month access to Kaplan's qbank for free in December (check SDN around then because they might be giving it away again), but I probably would not have purchased it otherwise. I also got discounted access to USMLE123 through an SDN promotion but don't recommend that one. UsmleRX is dirt cheap through the AMSA special, so it might be worth getting that, but I don't think it's great as your sole question bank. So after all that rambling, I'd say buy UW and get all the way through it at least one. Add on one more qbank if you can get it cheaply, but it's probably not necessary. Most importantly, don't forgo qbank time for other studying!!! Qbanking is studying -- it's not supplemental.

4. Goljan -- didn't listen to his audio because I'm not an audio person. I hear it's good, so if you want to devote the time, go for it. I used his book for IHI but relied on BRS for Step 1 studying. Personally I liked BRS a little more, but Goljan does have more info and pictures.

Closing note -- what you need to learn to do well in your classes isn't always the same as what you need to know for Step 1, so don't count yourself out of doing well on Step 1 if you're not a superstar in first or second year. However, learn as much as you can for your classes because I really don't think you can do well on Step 1 if you don't have a good foundation in the material. Don't get caught up on stupid exam trivialities, but don't slack too much. 🙂
 
So this is more than a month overdue, but I wanted to share my thoughts about studying for Step 1 as an OU student.

'S'about time Bagel! Thanks for the insights oh Queen of the Beast!

On the immuno front, they are actually using a book this year for the immuno part of MMI since there is a new course director, so I think that may be improving. The lecturers have actually commented about how we are going to be tested over the stuff in the book, but that remains to be seen I guess. 😎
 
On the immuno front, they are actually using a book this year for the immuno part of MMI since there is a new course director, so I think that may be improving. The lecturers have actually commented about how we are going to be tested over the stuff in the book, but that remains to be seen I guess. 😎

I think I like the textbook... it's nice to have things consistent and organized for once instead of just scattered about seemingly randomly.

I think it just might have been an unwise decision to pretend like we hadn't started school until the weekend... 🙄 16 hours of lecture that I am behind after only a week. Super! Ah, well... plenty of time to get on track as long as I act like med school really has kicked back in.

Thanks for the breakdown Bagel.

I think Dr. Hill deserves some credit for her WMD aka weapons of microbial destruction comment. Clever. So far, I've liked three out of three professors that I've watched lectures for 🙂.
 
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When someone says they will do your notegroups for $XX, is that the price for them to cover one hour of notes?
 
I'll reserve comment about how I would approach MSII differently until after my surg shelf and unhealthy amounts of alcohol this friday.

I will say most of your actual "board" prep won't happen until after spring break at the earliest. I took mine June 20, and didn't start full-tilt board shiz until the monday after block 5, and even then it was pretty much just IHI/path, with very little pharm. If I did it again, I don't know if I would approach finals much different, other than sew up your grades as much as you can prior to that, so you can ****can studying for classes and study for what really matters. I largely did that, but resigned myself to making whatever I was gonna make in class. It all worked out, but only because Ihnat gave back enough on the final. But, I would take my step earlier. I was SO done by the last week. I mean, really really done. Like not checking traffic before walking out in the street and ****. I have my plan if anyone wants it, but really I'd encourage you to make your own. My weaknesses are not yours, unless you also suck at bioc, endo, and micro. Which, also being OU people, just may be the case I guess. I'll say this, I had a lot more neuro and a lot more anatomy than I've heard complaints of in the past. Ok for me, b/c that meant fewer of the aforementioned holes in my edu.

****, so much for reservation. Must...study...

Before I do, not like I'm some rockstar or anything, but I guarantee there are people with higher GPA than myself but a worse score. So I'm still awaiting the correlation coeff. b/t OU GPA and Step score. :beat: But, the best thing you can do is LEARN the stuff from second year. Integrate it with what you already know. Buckle down when that time comes, but right now don't even think about step one. Until around holidays, when it would be a REAL good idea to schedule it, b/c you could get hosed on the timing of it if you wait.
 
I'll reserve comment about how I would approach MSII differently until after my surg shelf and unhealthy amounts of alcohol this friday.

I will say most of your actual "board" prep won't happen until after spring break at the earliest. I took mine June 20, and didn't start full-tilt board shiz until the monday after block 5, and even then it was pretty much just IHI/path, with very little pharm. If I did it again, I don't know if I would approach finals much different, other than sew up your grades as much as you can prior to that, so you can ****can studying for classes and study for what really matters. I largely did that, but resigned myself to making whatever I was gonna make in class. It all worked out, but only because Ihnat gave back enough on the final. But, I would take my step earlier. I was SO done by the last week. I mean, really really done. Like not checking traffic before walking out in the street and ****. I have my plan if anyone wants it, but really I'd encourage you to make your own. My weaknesses are not yours, unless you also suck at bioc, endo, and micro. Which, also being OU people, just may be the case I guess. I'll say this, I had a lot more neuro and a lot more anatomy than I've heard complaints of in the past. Ok for me, b/c that meant fewer of the aforementioned holes in my edu.

****, so much for reservation. Must...study...

Before I do, not like I'm some rockstar or anything, but I guarantee there are people with higher GPA than myself but a worse score. So I'm still awaiting the correlation coeff. b/t OU GPA and Step score. :beat: But, the best thing you can do is LEARN the stuff from second year. Integrate it with what you already know. Buckle down when that time comes, but right now don't even think about step one. Until around holidays, when it would be a REAL good idea to schedule it, b/c you could get hosed on the timing of it if you wait.
Hey man... are you in T-town or still here in Oklahoma Tity ?
 
Yeah, I really think I should have taken the test 3 weeks after we got out of school. I went for 4 weeks, which was fine, but a longer break before starting MS3 is always good, especially if you're a Tulsa person and have to move. Personally I would have shot myself had I been one of those people who took the test at the very latest date, but we're all different.

The other thing I forgot to mention above is to take NBME exams. I'd recommend taking one NBME exam on your first day of dedicated Step 1 studying and then taking 1 to 2 more before taking the real thing. Don't take one right before you take the real thing, though, because it might be demotivating. Nothing out there captures the feel of the real exam as much as the NBME exams, and they do give you a pretty good idea of where you stand.
 
Hey man... are you in T-town or still here in Oklahoma Tity ?

Oh you know I'm putting it down for the 405.

I didn't want to handicap* myself by going to Tulsa! Zing! 😉

Besides, it smells like my farts after I eat hardboiled eggs and take creatine there.

*for younger viewers, there is no proof of this. It does however smell like moldy ass if the wind is right. 😀
 
Well, since T-town doesn't have a VA for you guys to round at, NTT prolly think that smell is normal. :barf:
 
Sooo you know how everyone says that they like IHI as far as its interesting factor is considered? That of course all medical students will like this class because its what you really need to know to be a doctor or what we are all here for in the first place? Well, I was pretty sure I was going to be the only person who didn't like IHI b/c I'm not here because I like science... I'm here because doctors can do a lot of good for a lot of people over a lifetime. Happily, I was wrong and IHI is almost captivating. I'm only on the 3rd lecture so I don't know how long this lasts, but so far IHI is neat. Just thought I'd share that indeed, 2nd year is better / more interesting than 1st year. *edit* Also - Holliman is pretty great. I really like any professor that I can watch in double speed and still understand perfectly. 🙂

Is pharm a class that can be put off more so than others? B/c it sorta seems like it doesn't need as much attention.
 
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Is pharm a class that can be put off more so than others? B/c it sorta seems like it doesn't need as much attention.

Depends on how well you like the people in the class below you. 😉
 
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