University of Oklahoma -- everyone welcome -- Part 4

[Amxcvbcv]

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If OU ends up losing this game, the bitching about the officiating will be endless.

 

[PreMedMommy]

I can't believe we did not capitalize on that interception.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I missed a few days of surg when my daughter was born. It helped that my resident was married to an ob resident, that I was on ped surg, and that I'm the same age as the chief residents. Oh and that I was just upstairs on 4-5 since she had an OU OB. I think that has been the only days I have had to skate out of.

But really, unless you get a really crappy resident, or are just generally an ass, I don't see you having a whole lot of trouble with getting a few hours if you need them. You're really worthless, so I don't see the big deal.

 

[soonereng]

If OU ends up losing this game, the bitching about the officiating will be endless.

Everyones defense would be awesome if they never got pass interference called on them when they did it almost every passing play.

 

[PreMedMommy]

What a bummer.

 

[soonereng]

MSI homeschoolers - a couple notes about neuro:

1. You missed an truly impressive pissing contest today. I'm not sure how much of it will be translated in audio/video files since it began during the first hour, lasted through the second and was partially carried out without the benefit of microphones.

I want to hear what the pissing was all about too.

 

[Jwax]

I want to hear what the pissing was all about too.

Ditto. The only one I remember last year was either Blair & Gordon or Blair & Ross, and those didn't happen til the end of the semester.

Got to see a patient at my clinic yesterday who had poorly responsive HTN. Pt also had truncal obesity, pudgy face, easy bruisability... After the doc & I were out of the patient's room, I asked whether he thought Cushing's was a possibilty. He kinda looked at me and said yeah... you might be on to something. Unfortunately, a dex suppression test would be a little hard to manage at a free clinic. If they didn't have Cushings, we suspected it to be possible to have hyperaldosteronism. I was very frustrated that these are strong likelihoods for this patient, yet we probably won't be able to find out b/c they can't pay for a workup. 😡

 

[PreMedMommy]

When does Spring disbursement hit?

 

[thiems]

When does Spring disbursement hit?

I heard that is was supposed to be today.

 

[Amxcvbcv]

Technically, it's tomorrow, but money probably won't filter through the direct deposit stuff until Monday or Tuesday.

 

[Jwax]

My summer research was submitted as an abstract to the American College of Medical Genetics for their annual conference in Tampa, FL at the end of March. I found out today that I was accepted as a platform presentation 😀. Awesome, especially since I had thought it would only be accepted as a poster. The only problem is I am a lousy public speaker. Hopefully I can improve in two months...

I really like Dr. Jones. I think I would get along with him quite well if we were colleagues. "Welcome to this next portion that is the joy of IHI".

 

[PreMedMommy]

My summer research was submitted as an abstract to the American College of Medical Genetics for their annual conference in Tampa, FL at the end of March. I found out today that I was accepted as a platform presentation 😀. Awesome, especially since I had thought it would only be accepted as a poster. The only problem is I am a lousy public speaker. Hopefully I can improve in two months...

I really like Dr. Jones. I think I would get along with him quite well if we were colleagues. "Welcome to this next portion that is the joy of IHI".

Congrats Jwax! 👍

 

[Bravofriendly]

My summer research was submitted as an abstract to the American College of Medical Genetics for their annual conference in Tampa, FL at the end of March. I found out today that I was accepted as a platform presentation 😀. Awesome, especially since I had thought it would only be accepted as a poster. The only problem is I am a lousy public speaker. Hopefully I can improve in two months...

Way to go! You'll do a bang-up job on speaking and when you're done you can just wander off the platform over to the beach, bury your toes in some warm sand, and slurp a few margaritas while you pat yourself on the back for delivering a flawlessly executed presentation. 👍

 

[Jwax]

Way to go! You'll do a bang-up job on speaking and when you're done you can just wander off the platform over to the beach, bury your toes in some warm sand, and slurp a few margaritas while you pat yourself on the back for delivering a flawlessly executed presentation. 👍

Thanks Bravo & PMM. That's my plan, Bravo (only with pina coladas instead of margaritas). I am hoping to leave Thursday AM so I can have Thursday, Friday, & Sat night to enjoy Tampa. Maybe not so much Friday, other than lounging on the peach or at a pool since I present Sat afternoon, but def the other two. I'm unbelievably excited 😀. I've never done something like this before.

 

[soonereng]

Congrats Jwax! 👍

Ditto. 😀

 

[Amxcvbcv]

Thanks Bravo & PMM. That's my plan, Bravo (only with pina coladas instead of margaritas). I am hoping to leave Thursday AM so I can have Thursday, Friday, & Sat night to enjoy Tampa. Maybe not so much Friday, other than lounging on the peach or at a pool since I present Sat afternoon, but def the other two. I'm unbelievably excited 😀. I've never done something like this before.

Congratulations! This is something fantastic for your CV and residency application. No matter what you're planning to do having a little spice to separate you from all the other applicants is invaluable.

It will also give you 2-3 more minutes of things to talk about before you get the inevitable "So... do you have any more questions for us?" from your interviewers.

 

[Jwax]

Congratulations! This is something fantastic for your CV and residency application. No matter what you're planning to do having a little spice to separate you from all the other applicants is invaluable.

It will also give you 2-3 more minutes of things to talk about before you get the inevitable "So... do you have any more questions for us?" from your interviewers.

Thanks!. Thank you, too soonereng.

I picked a bad test block to start using the IHI syllabus. It only correlates with maybe half of the lecture material so far. I spent hours making flashcards using the syllabus and now I'm having to spend more hours making flashcards from the lectures. From the little I looked at it, it seems like the objectives don't really correlate to the lecture material or the syllabus. WTF am I supposed to focus on with all this junk? Ugh. Hopefully once I get to Robbins & Goljans I'll be able to figure it out. I'm really worried that they are going to test us on lesions similarly to neuro last year without re-discussing any of it. Do I need to go back and figure out where all the lesions are and what they look like?

And what is up with the HB syllabus? We only have HB for two test blocks and it's ~300 pages or some such nonsense.

 

[soonereng]

Step 1 info for Co2010:

1st time pass rate: 90% (93% Nat'l ave)

% class with 99 2-digit score: 19%
% class with >95 2-digit score: 31%
% class with >90 2-digit score: 44%

They threw that up during our Step 1 meeting today. Good stats on the top end since almost 1/2 the class had a 90 2-digit.

 

[thiems]

Step 1 info for Co2010:

1st time pass rate: 90% (93% Nat'l ave)

% class with 99 2-digit score: 19%
% class with >95 2-digit score: 31%
% class with >90 2-digit score: 44%

They threw that up during our Step 1 meeting today. Good stats on the top end since almost 1/2 the class had a 90 2-digit.

What is the conversion chart of 2 digit scores to 3 digit scores? I've tried to find one but haven't. I did see one article with a lot of math in it that I think was explaining it but since I hate math I didn't read it.

 

[soonereng]

What is the conversion chart of 2 digit scores to 3 digit scores? I've tried to find one but haven't. I did see one article with a lot of math in it that I think was explaining it but since I hate math I didn't read it.

It's different every year. Just know 99 = goodness

 

[Jwax]

What is the conversion chart of 2 digit scores to 3 digit scores? I've tried to find one but haven't. I did see one article with a lot of math in it that I think was explaining it but since I hate math I didn't read it.

I think generally it is ~255+ --> 99. Or so it seems. I don't get the multi-digit scoring. It is some curved percentile-esque randomly calculated number. Whatever. I'm not aiming that high so it doesn't really apply. 😳

I started studying for boards today. 😱 My goal from now til Spring Break is 3 hours per week dedicated to board prep. After spring break... who knows. I don't want to think that far ahead yet. I am a little overwhelmed on where to begin. At this point, I'm intending to get through all of FA (once? twice?) before spring break. I don't really know where else to start. There is just so much stuff to think about.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Step 1 info for Co2010:

1st time pass rate: 90% (93% Nat'l ave)

% class with 99 2-digit score: 19%
% class with >95 2-digit score: 31%
% class with >90 2-digit score: 44%

They threw that up during our Step 1 meeting today. Good stats on the top end since almost 1/2 the class had a 90 2-digit.

I hate how they just give you the 2 digit scores because the 3 digits scores are more easy for people to figure out (and more used by pretty much everyone). For example, what's a 90? From looking at other scores, it feels like it's probably less than 220, which places it below average. I just looked at my score report, and it looks like they give a mean (222) and standard deviation (22) for the 3 digit score but no info about data for 2 digit scores. IMO, OU is being a little opaque by not sharing the 3 digit info.

Editing to add that I'm wasting time on this for no reason, but I just found a person who made a 222, and his/her 2 digit score was higher than 90.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I think generally it is ~255+ --> 99. Or so it seems. I don't get the multi-digit scoring. It is some curved percentile-esque randomly calculated number. Whatever. I'm not aiming that high so it doesn't really apply. 😳

99s usually start in the 230s somewhere. It's really a pretty huge range.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I absolutely agree that you feel overwhelmed with all the crap you have to know. But I really, really think that one week into third block is too early to start. It may not be for you, but I couldn't have done it. But maybe that was because I had to focus on what OU thought was important for the last 3 tb's in order to be able to take step I.

 

[Jwax]

I absolutely agree that you feel overwhelmed with all the crap you have to know. But I really, really think that one week into fourth block is too early to start. It may not be for you, but I couldn't have done it. But maybe that was because I had to focus on what OU thought was important for the last 3 tb's in order to be able to take step I.

(fixed)

Last semester I had to specifically set aside 2.5 hours each week to make sure I worked on my research analysis/abstract so I could get it ready to submit to this conference. I decided I'd be wiser to re-dedicate this allotted time to reviewing FA instead of spending it trying to turn the abstract into a full article... or using it to watch TV shows online. I originally didn't intend to start doing anything until after spring break at the earliest, but I figure I ought to be able to muster up 2 or 3 hours a week (other than test blocks) for the next two months. I'm never expecting to be a rockstar at anything, but I'd like to do better than average on the boards. That doesn't seem like much, but I imagine it will take quite a bit more effort than I really want to put into it. 🙄

Scratch that thought on getting through FA twice before spring break... I'll be lucky to get through it once. Especially when I remember almost nothing from biochem or embryo, and they didn't really teach us what we needed to know in biochem (esp nutrition). I've spent two hours tonight and got through 26 pages. Only 450 to go! 🙄 I guess that ought to mean I'll have gotten through FA once before we finish for the year.

 

[Jwax]

I think I've pretty much ruled out neurology as a specialty, but I really quite like most neurologists. DLG, Jones (well, I guess he's a PhD not MD), Fung, Khoury, the neurologist in our mod last Friday... I don't know why, but they are all really likable. Shame I don't think neuro could sustain my interest in the long term.

 

[Amxcvbcv]

I think I've pretty much ruled out neurology as a specialty, but I really quite like most neurologists. DLG, Jones (well, I guess he's a PhD not MD), Fung, Khoury, the neurologist in our mod last Friday... I don't know why, but they are all really likable. Shame I don't think neuro could sustain my interest in the long term.

All of the neurologists I dealt with pissed me off cause they acted like they could read a CT and/or MRI better than the radiologists. 😛

 

[Amxcvbcv]

*pokes thread with a stick*

Don't tell me you all are so absorbed with test block that you're already studying.

 

[Bravofriendly]

*pokes thread with a stick*

Don't tell me you all are so absorbed with test block that you're already studying.

Disgusting, isn't it? Just studying and daydreaming about a mysterious place I've heard referred to as The Clinical Years. Supposedly there is an option to visit The Country Club Year. Someone told me it is bears remarkable resemblance to Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory without the creepy Oompa Loompas. I'm pretty excited, actually. I mean, a Chocolate River and Neverending Gobstoppers? Definitely worth it.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

Any tips for the medicine internal shelf? Yes, I know that is written backwards. As opposed to the external shelf after ambulatory...

I am trying to study, life just keeps getting in the way...

 

[Amxcvbcv]

Any tips for the medicine internal shelf? Yes, I know that is written backwards. As opposed to the external shelf after ambulatory...

I am trying to study, life just keeps getting in the way...

I felt like the MKSAP book did a pretty good job. Is Allee still running it?

 

[Antigunner]

I felt like the MKSAP book did a pretty good job. Is Allee still running it?

agreed, along with the medicine section of boards and wards. money.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

Yeah Allee still doing it. He gave us the MKSAP book, and I have step up, but I'll have to check out b&w. Just not feeling good about it so far.

 

[Jwax]

*pokes thread with a stick*

Don't tell me you all are so absorbed with test block that you're already studying.

Yes... Life is pretty boring when all you are doing is studying and watching old La Femme Nikita episodes. It is so hard to talk to non-med school friends right now because absolutely nothing is going on in my life except for school. 😴

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Yeah Allee still doing it. He gave us the MKSAP book, and I have step up, but I'll have to check out b&w. Just not feeling good about it so far.

I don't know what my grade on it was yet, but it's not that horrible of a test. If list type of stuff works for you, then Hoskison absolutes are pretty good. Or are we Tulsa folks not supposed to share that with you guys? 🙂

I love psych, but I don't like malingerers who decide they suddenly need to be hospitalized because they got kicked out of their place or because they have a court date. Especially malingerers who act like they're better than the real psych patients. 👎

 

[Bravofriendly]

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[Bravofriendly]

Especially malingerers who act like they're better than the real psych patients. 👎

How does this work? Do they think they are better at being sick or are they better because they aren't sick, just pretending?

 

[Mr. Freeze]

You want some malingering? Try to sort through them at the VA, where 100% service connection can mean $4500/month...👎

 

[PreMedMommy]

It is so hard to talk to non-med school friends right now because absolutely nothing is going on in my life except for school. 😴

OMG, I know exactly how you feel. It makes me feel ******ed, and I'm afraid it makes me sound arrogant to talk about it all the time. I hate it.

 

[masterofmonkeys]

OMG, I know exactly how you feel. It makes me feel ******ed, and I'm afraid it makes me sound arrogant to talk about it all the time. I hate it.

yall have time to post on here, yall have time to do other things. I still find time to sound arrogant about a lot of other things with my friends like exercise and nutrition, pop culture, politics, and the pathetic state of biomedical science on a daily basis. And hurt myself in the gym at least once a week. Granted I'm a 4th year and don't hardly do anythign anymore, but still.

 

[Jwax]

yall have time to post on here, yall have time to do other things. I still find time to sound arrogant about a lot of other things with my friends like exercise and nutrition, pop culture, politics, and the pathetic state of biomedical science on a daily basis. And hurt myself in the gym at least once a week. Granted I'm a 4th year and don't hardly do anythign anymore, but still.

I used to have the time. I'm putting a lot more focus and dedication into med school this semester. This has meant that truly all I am doing almost every day is sitting on the couch with the lap top or whatever syllabus I need to read.

That being said, my husband and I decided to go on our mini-vacation this weekend that we wanted to take for our anniversary but couldn't really afford. So we'll be on the beach Sat, Sun, and Monday. 😀

 

[PreMedMommy]

yall have time to post on here, yall have time to do other things. I still find time to sound arrogant about a lot of other things with my friends like exercise and nutrition, pop culture, politics, and the pathetic state of biomedical science on a daily basis. And hurt myself in the gym at least once a week. Granted I'm a 4th year and don't hardly do anythign anymore, but still.

There's only so much... "So yeah, I gave my kids another bath today, like I do everyday. Oh, and I also cooked a mean hamburger helper for dinner tonight. Ummm, let's see, I got laid by my husband..... And I studied. A lot." ...that people wanna hear. So let's see, I covered nutrition and exersice (see dinner and sex). Granted politics (oooh, we did watch the inauguration in class), pop culture (is Britney Spears still bald?), and the pathetic state of biomedical science (yawn, it's why I didn't go for MD/PhD) are all lacking. I've just exhausted my arsenal of non-medical things to talk about it. It must be so nice being a 4th year.

 

[Jwax]

There's only so much... "So yeah, I gave my kids another bath today, like I do everyday. Oh, and I also cooked a mean hamburger helper for dinner tonight. Ummm, let's see, I got laid by my husband..... And I studied. A lot." ...that people wanna hear. So let's see, I covered nutrition and exersice (see dinner and sex). Granted politics (oooh, we did watch the inauguration in class), pop culture (is Britney Spears still bald?), and the pathetic state of biomedical science (yawn, it's why I didn't go for MD/PhD) are all lacking. I've just exhausted my arsenal of non-medical things to talk about it. It must be so nice being a 4th year.

👍

 

[masterofmonkeys]

I wish I could still get laid by my husband...sigh

 

[Amxcvbcv]

Hurray for ice.

Campus is closed tomorrow. 😀

 

[Jwax]

Hurray for ice.

Campus is closed tomorrow. 😀

Hooray for that - since I was going to skip ethics anyways due to still being on vacation 😛. Hooray for not actually skipping. Driving home on the ice is going to suck though.

 

[shortitalian]

Hooray for that - since I was going to skip ethics anyways due to still being on vacation 😛. Hooray for not actually skipping. Driving home on the ice is going to suck though.

Isn't attendance like 70% of our grade in there? 😳

 

[Jwax]

Isn't attendance like 70% of our grade in there? 😳

Yep, but we also only need 75% to pass and I participate a great deal in the small groups, so I don't know how I could miss out. Regardless, it's been cancelled so I'm cool. 😎

 

[masterofmonkeys]

Hooray for that - since I was going to skip ethics anyways due to still being on vacation 😛. Hooray for not actually skipping.

*snort* Excuse me while I laugh my behind off about that.

That class was beyond useless. I flat out said so several times to everyone involved in that class from our discussion leaders to Dr. Hall.

I actually consider myself a philosopher first, a scientist second, and a (in four months) doctor third.

Having a class like that, and having a discussion about those issues, is a bit like having 4th graders argue the epistemological ramifications of the inherently probabilistic nature of quantum mechanic-level phenomena versus the deterministic nature of newtonian-level phenomena.

It's beyond stupid.

You can't argue ethics unless you have an epistemological basis from which to work from. You can't discuss a patient's 'rights' until you have a working definition of what a 'right' is. You can't discuss 'duty' unless you have thought out the difference between duty and obligation.

It's such pretentious crap for people to think they can discuss this kind of thing without working from first principles.

The fact that we think we can discuss ethics--like the fact that we think we're scientific--is a judgment on the entire profession.

 

[Amxcvbcv]

*snort* Excuse me while I laugh my behind off about that.

That class was beyond useless. I flat out said so several times to everyone involved in that class from our discussion leaders to Dr. Hall.

I actually consider myself a philosopher first, a scientist second, and a (in four months) doctor third.

Having a class like that, and having a discussion about those issues, is a bit like having 4th graders argue the epistemological ramifications of the inherently probabilistic nature of quantum mechanic-level phenomena versus the deterministic nature of newtonian-level phenomena.

It's beyond stupid.

You can't argue ethics unless you have an epistemological basis from which to work from. You can't discuss a patient's 'rights' until you have a working definition of what a 'right' is. You can't discuss 'duty' unless you have thought out the difference between duty and obligation.

It's such pretentious crap for people to think they can discuss this kind of thing without working from first principles.

The fact that we think we can discuss ethics--like the fact that we think we're scientific--is a judgment on the entire profession.

That reminds me of my undergraduate days at OU. I was looking for an upper division elective to fill out my graduation requirements. I spotted History of Ethics, a 3000 level philosophy course, and very naively thought that might be pertinent to medicine and at the very least interesting. I dropped it two weeks in when I realized that despite meeting the prerequisites I was way out of my league. I find medical ethics discussions interesting, but philosophical ethics are beyond me because I just don't have the proper background.